I dont have time to get into a full reply right now, but TDP, you and phoenix seem to be sharing the opinion that
1) a vote means "I am 100% convinced you are scum"
2) a vote should never be cast unless you want that person to be the lynch for the day.
Do you believe those statements are true?
Oh look, words have appeared in my mouth, what convoluted wizardry put them there?
I don't really understand how asking those 4 yes or no questions is, in your opinion, scummy. I would like more insight into your reasoning behind how a scum player would benefit from me asking you those questions, specifically 1 and 4.
You misunderstand me, it is not the fact that you have asked questions that is scummy, its the fact that you ask the same ones in an attempt to defame me. I attacked Phoenix for making a meta call against ipot 18 posts in. Ipots post was not scummy, I could see where others saw that so I asked Ipot some questions, and I was satisfied with his answers.
Yet that whole interaction seems to be lost to you, and yet I'M the one who you ask is reading the thread.
The question about how much you have read was not a mudsling.
Really? because that's a hell of a lead in to your post.
I was asking because you are using a term brought up by phoenix to describe incorrectly the play I am making. I believe there is a good chance he is scum. I am in no way convinced anyone is scum yet. Does that mean i should abstain from using my only tool to help me gain more information? I am not "throwing it around like it's nothing". I am putting my vote to use where i believe it will help reveal the most information.
Oh? So then educate this newb, what is the "proper" term. Because what I saw was you setting Phoenix up so that if he voted you, you could call OMGUS.
And yes, throwing your vote around provokes high strung emotions, which is bad for the town, it makes it difficult to keep focus and even more so to get an accurate read on who you think is scum or not.
Your opinion on phoenix is so erratic, and so far your phrasing and behavior has been only to try and trap me and phoenix into black and white answers.
Kind of like that failed soft claim proposal you gave. another way to try and lock the town down.
I'd make a joke about only scum deal in absolutes, but that would be tacky.
What subtle wording are you speaking about when you reference my earlier posts? Being vague doesn't do your reasoning justice. If you truly believe i am scum, you should welcome the opening to discuss my plays with the town, as it will help you to convince others to vote for me.
You never explicitly said you are 100% on me being scum, so i asked flat out. Running in circles means what exactly.
I think your use of the doc as an example to describe potential PR's was an allusion to keep the town from breathing down your neck.
Your wording of how YOU are voting for who is the scummiest. It's subtle, backwards logic that preys on the subconscious and hints at the fact that I'm the one who is not scum hunting, but you are.
In regards to the KK claim, its very, very unlikely he claimed vanilla to cover up a power role.
for someone who can't even keep your opinion on Phoenix straight, you seem very sure of yourself.
Do you believe it unreasonable that I voted for someone whom I believe to be scummy, but do not want lynched? Especially when they are at L-6.
A townies strongest ability is their vote. So yes, throwing around your vote, in my opinion, is harmful to the town because it distracts us from active scum hunting. AND it makes it damn near impossible to what is OMGUS without layer of that awful red tape known as semantics.
It's an awfully accurate and effective scum tactic if used properly, especially when it can be used to turn active scum hunting and questions into deflection under the guise of "He's just OMGUS voting me"
It's because of this reason right here that I voted for you.
You are in the significant majority.
You sound disappointed.
If the flavor is not relevant, the scum gains literally nothing. If the flavor is relevant, especially for the power roles, I would expect them to do exactly as everyone is doing and decline the claim. For example, if I was Avacyn, Town Doc, I would never agree to go along with this claim.
Subtle use of the Doc role noted.
That's a fair statement. As much as black, blue and red are not by nature evil, there are significantly more black villains than heroes, with the inverse true for white. Still, I see no reason why Liliana of the Veil or Grimgrin, Corpse-Born couldn't be 1-shot vigs, or why any of the planeswalkers couldn't be townie.
I'd like to first note that you seem to have put more thought into what cards could be what roles, included with meta gaming, flavor gaming is also a major no-no for me.
I can see your point, but I find it more likely that people will associate the colors with their respective personalities.
How much of the last page have you read so far?
Noting the subtle attempt at discredit. Let me make myself more clear, no, you have no said that you advocate a policy lynch. But your interactions with Phoenix have been filled with very very subtle wording, wording that makes me uncomfortable. And throwing around an essential townie ability like it means nothing is extremely anti-town.
I am not advocating a lynch on policy. I am voting for the player who is acting scummiest.
According to you. Noting here the twist of logic, and attempt to subtly defame me, I think YOU are acting the scummiest, not Phoenix. And I am voting for you as well. The fact that your pointing this out is futile. we all know you think Phoenix is scum, as your vote is clearly placed still.
Yet you still feel the need to say so.
Questions for you TDP, and also to anyone who hasn't made their thoughts on this known:
1) Do you believe iPot's first post has the potential to be a scumtell?
2) Do you believe iPot is scum?
3) Do you believe my post #62 is a scumtell? Specifically that post in a vacuum.
4) Do you believe I am scum?
1) No, and the fact that I'm repeating this, after I got on Phoenix case over that very post, just solidifies to me that you're scum.
2) I believe everyone here is scum until they flip otherwise
3) You're not sold, yet sold enough to vote? YES, I found that scummy as hell, and why I'm making such a detailed post here.
4)How much more do you need? seriously, the fact that you're asking me questions that you could clearly get the answer to by reading the thread is just an even bigger scum read for me. Yes, I think you are scum, and I think that you are merely trying to keep me moving in circles to distract active scum hunting.
It’s not so much meta, but the nervousness of this post. I only supplied the two other posts to show that iPot’s behavior was different from his other beginning posts.
Fair enough, it would seem that ipots nervousness bothered you, and your aggressiveness to his nervousness bothered me.
Slight meta, but more behavioral analysis.
I saw it the other way around honestly, you went for what I'm seeing now as more of a knee jerk reaction to a meta change.
if you weren't at L-6, I might have had a harder time voting you.
"Might?"
Vote: Truk
No, I don't support a mass claim. I searched Gatherer for any/all "Legendary" cards in innistrad last night. There were 15. However, this is no guarantee that any of that flavor, whether from the game or the books, is even relevant to which side is which.
I would also like to point out that colors like black are likely to be viewed as the scummy characters, Blue as potential manipulative power roles, and so on. It's dangerous to the town, and advocating giving any type of information to the scum team is the main reason why I'm voting for you.
Yes, this game is based on the flavor of Innistrad, and any reasonable townie wouldn't want to reveal sensitive information.
And I agree with Phoenix, his aggressiveness does not warrant a policy lynch, especially on day one, and at the time, under 100 posts.
Also, IMGEOY: Kosakosa revealing a role like that, before everyone even responds to the mass claim question is insane, and I can't be sure if you're just new at this, or are trying to distract us from Truk.
I will be keeping a close eye on your interactions.
Please don’t put words in my mouth, sir. I was not determined to get out of RVS. I saw a post that registered as not of townie nature and replied to it.
Well then what would you call it, because 18 posts in, and according to you ipot is likely scum and the RVS is over.
Now you're back tracking, and telling me to not put words in your mouth, when your wording and phrasing has already been inconsistent.. So, because of that, I now pose you this question;
What about ipots post, aside from a meta call, made you think he is likely scum? And, if he is likely scum, and you are so sure, why wouldn't you advocate him for the lynch today?
Let us all be cast aside
And taste the gloom on this summers night
That buzzing sensation
This delirium razing
Every thought I've ever had.
Every dream I lost in vain
Every moment of suffering
For relief is brief
Sweet
And cruel
Only to drown in the realm
Where thoughts pool.
Checking in. Hi! See, me? Here I am, posting things. Well, A thing anyway. More things will be posted when there are more things to post.
Ipot: Why would you call direct attention to yourself posting, during the RVS, wouldn't just posting suffice? Why did you feel the need to point that out?
Its because in Deit Mafia, a game I was in that finished rather recently, I was unaware the game had started because I was unaware of the particular checking-in process of the game. So after everyone had started playing the game, I showed up many many pages late(seven or eight pages, but I have my settings set to show max posts per page so it'd have been more pages for other people).
Me pointing out that I was posting was, as I've stated in a previous post, kind of a tongue-in-cheek inside joke to the other players that were both in that game and are currently in this one. Since we were in RVS, I knew(or assumed rather)that the joke post would be taken for what it was, a joke post, and not horribly disfigured and misrepresented as something it never was.
The two posts immediately after my check-in post were both voting for me, both within an hour of me posting in the first place, and one without any logic or reasoning behind the vote whatsoever. Which is why I responded the way I did. Like I said in my second post, one joke vote is cool. But the second one did not appear to be a joke vote to me.
I appreciate you answering my question, and I'm satisfied with your answer.
Now I wait to hear from Phoenix.
Kosakosa: Would you prefer I changed from blue to the normal black lettering? Or would making the text slightly larger help? I can see it being a pain to read in-game.
Checking in. Hi! See, me? Here I am, posting things. Well, A thing anyway. More things will be posted when there are more things to post.
This doesn't read as scum to me. This reads as "Um, not sure what to post, so I'm posting to let you all know I'll have more to say when there is something to say."
What I have an issue with is how he made a point to say "See, me?" To make it known that he was actively posting. Even when there was nothing. Why is that?
Ipot: Why would you call direct attention to yourself posting, during the RVS, wouldn't just posting suffice? Why did you feel the need to point that out?
With all this being said:
Phoenix Sun Rise: Meta calls that happen 18 posts in make me nervous, why were you so determined to get out of RVS?
Oh look, words have appeared in my mouth, what convoluted wizardry put them there?
You misunderstand me, it is not the fact that you have asked questions that is scummy, its the fact that you ask the same ones in an attempt to defame me. I attacked Phoenix for making a meta call against ipot 18 posts in. Ipots post was not scummy, I could see where others saw that so I asked Ipot some questions, and I was satisfied with his answers.
Yet that whole interaction seems to be lost to you, and yet I'M the one who you ask is reading the thread.
Really? because that's a hell of a lead in to your post.
Oh? So then educate this newb, what is the "proper" term. Because what I saw was you setting Phoenix up so that if he voted you, you could call OMGUS.
And yes, throwing your vote around provokes high strung emotions, which is bad for the town, it makes it difficult to keep focus and even more so to get an accurate read on who you think is scum or not.
Your opinion on phoenix is so erratic, and so far your phrasing and behavior has been only to try and trap me and phoenix into black and white answers.
Kind of like that failed soft claim proposal you gave. another way to try and lock the town down.
I'd make a joke about only scum deal in absolutes, but that would be tacky.
I think your use of the doc as an example to describe potential PR's was an allusion to keep the town from breathing down your neck.
Your wording of how YOU are voting for who is the scummiest. It's subtle, backwards logic that preys on the subconscious and hints at the fact that I'm the one who is not scum hunting, but you are.
for someone who can't even keep your opinion on Phoenix straight, you seem very sure of yourself.
A townies strongest ability is their vote. So yes, throwing around your vote, in my opinion, is harmful to the town because it distracts us from active scum hunting. AND it makes it damn near impossible to what is OMGUS without layer of that awful red tape known as semantics.
It's an awfully accurate and effective scum tactic if used properly, especially when it can be used to turn active scum hunting and questions into deflection under the guise of "He's just OMGUS voting me"
It's because of this reason right here that I voted for you.
You sound disappointed.
Subtle use of the Doc role noted.
I'd like to first note that you seem to have put more thought into what cards could be what roles, included with meta gaming, flavor gaming is also a major no-no for me.
I can see your point, but I find it more likely that people will associate the colors with their respective personalities.
Noting the subtle attempt at discredit. Let me make myself more clear, no, you have no said that you advocate a policy lynch. But your interactions with Phoenix have been filled with very very subtle wording, wording that makes me uncomfortable. And throwing around an essential townie ability like it means nothing is extremely anti-town.
According to you. Noting here the twist of logic, and attempt to subtly defame me, I think YOU are acting the scummiest, not Phoenix. And I am voting for you as well. The fact that your pointing this out is futile. we all know you think Phoenix is scum, as your vote is clearly placed still.
Yet you still feel the need to say so.
1) No, and the fact that I'm repeating this, after I got on Phoenix case over that very post, just solidifies to me that you're scum.
2) I believe everyone here is scum until they flip otherwise
3) You're not sold, yet sold enough to vote? YES, I found that scummy as hell, and why I'm making such a detailed post here.
4)How much more do you need? seriously, the fact that you're asking me questions that you could clearly get the answer to by reading the thread is just an even bigger scum read for me. Yes, I think you are scum, and I think that you are merely trying to keep me moving in circles to distract active scum hunting.
If you believe Dexter and his Dark Passenger are the same thing, it's time to read the books and not watch the show.
Please call me TPD to avoid confusion.
Fair enough, it would seem that ipots nervousness bothered you, and your aggressiveness to his nervousness bothered me.
I saw it the other way around honestly, you went for what I'm seeing now as more of a knee jerk reaction to a meta change.
"Might?"
Vote: Truk
No, I don't support a mass claim. I searched Gatherer for any/all "Legendary" cards in innistrad last night. There were 15. However, this is no guarantee that any of that flavor, whether from the game or the books, is even relevant to which side is which.
I would also like to point out that colors like black are likely to be viewed as the scummy characters, Blue as potential manipulative power roles, and so on. It's dangerous to the town, and advocating giving any type of information to the scum team is the main reason why I'm voting for you.
Yes, this game is based on the flavor of Innistrad, and any reasonable townie wouldn't want to reveal sensitive information.
And I agree with Phoenix, his aggressiveness does not warrant a policy lynch, especially on day one, and at the time, under 100 posts.
Also, IMGEOY: Kosakosa revealing a role like that, before everyone even responds to the mass claim question is insane, and I can't be sure if you're just new at this, or are trying to distract us from Truk.
I will be keeping a close eye on your interactions.
Currently I'm waiting on Phoenix to respond.
I type too fast for my keyboard, it seems.
Well then what would you call it, because 18 posts in, and according to you ipot is likely scum and the RVS is over.
Now you're back tracking, and telling me to not put words in your mouth, when your wording and phrasing has already been inconsistent.. So, because of that, I now pose you this question;
What about ipots post, aside from a meta call, made you think he is likely scum? And, if he is likely scum, and you are so sure, why wouldn't you advocate him for the lynch today?
And taste the gloom on this summers night
That buzzing sensation
This delirium razing
Every thought I've ever had.
Every dream I lost in vain
Every moment of suffering
For relief is brief
Sweet
And cruel
Only to drown in the realm
Where thoughts pool.
I appreciate you answering my question, and I'm satisfied with your answer.
Now I wait to hear from Phoenix.
Kosakosa: Would you prefer I changed from blue to the normal black lettering? Or would making the text slightly larger help? I can see it being a pain to read in-game.
Love the Cheshire Cat reference.
This doesn't read as scum to me. This reads as "Um, not sure what to post, so I'm posting to let you all know I'll have more to say when there is something to say."
What I have an issue with is how he made a point to say "See, me?" To make it known that he was actively posting. Even when there was nothing. Why is that?
Ipot: Why would you call direct attention to yourself posting, during the RVS, wouldn't just posting suffice? Why did you feel the need to point that out?
With all this being said:
Phoenix Sun Rise: Meta calls that happen 18 posts in make me nervous, why were you so determined to get out of RVS?
Because now I'm curious as to what kind of thing it is. And why is it the most curious.
I used to come here to read spoilers, follow ongoing mafia games, and lurk in the creative sections.
looking to actually post some of my writing and see what other people think.
Currently going to school for behavioral analysis.
/TDP/
The names Derrick, I've played M:tG on and off since Onslaught, recently dropping out after New Phyrexia was released.
I'm a huge RP Buff, avid video gamer, and currently going to school to be a behavioral analyst.