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Mar 16, 2009ein posted a message on 3:14 DisappointmentHuh? The first several songs sound like they are throwbacks to the Kiss Me/Disintegration/Wish era. 'Underneath the Stars' and 'The Only One' particularly, are VERY Cure songs (and are reminiscent of the late 80's/early 90's Cure).Posted in: Small Utopia, where things happen
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Has this update gone through? It is still not accessible to me through Safari (stalls at a blank page).
Work, mixed with having a sine wave like internet posting history.
Okay, if that's the case, that's really unfortunate.
Hmm, I've never visited any curse site nor the beta site, so I don't think I've signed up (even unintentionally) for anything. I'm more curious what happens if I don't. Does anything transfer over if I don't do anything or do I need to be proactive to actually prevent transfer?
What happens, for example, if someone *isn't* interested in getting a curse id? Does anything move to the new site (like their information currently stored in the MTGS database), or if they never sign up is there just nothing there except a post trail for a non-member?
I'm having the same problem. It spins and spins and then just never goes to anything.
Ugh, yuck. No thanks. =/
Lol, nice conspiracy theory there dude.
I think the MSL, and other subforum-specific lounges are absolutely necessary to the functioning of those areas. I do not agree that the centralized mod lounge is. The big one just breeds a victim complex (as can be seen in several posts by mods in the leak thread) and causes delays for consensus building when, many times, the right answer is obvious from the beginning. Empower good mods and let them do their jobs. You don't need some control group breathing down their necks or anything.
As an example, when I was a moderator for MS, I had an apologetic other mod from MS (as in, he *knew* I was doing a good job, but sigh, it had come up with another group) talk to me about my 'error rate' in issuing warnings/infractions. Well, I provided the data (that should have been obvious to the people complaining about my work, had they bothered to look - which, coincidentally included me being blamed instead for reading errors by one of the people in the group criticizing my work) and it was clear that I was doing a great job. But, because there was this other centralized lounge, other than the well oiled machine that is the MSL, people groupthinked their way into some mis-informed ideas and caused grief.
And, it's really not fair to pin all drama on the gutter anyway. Here are the people who have the top postcounts in the major drama threads over the last couple years around here (as determined by number of posts, in both cases):
logicX 7
brandon 6
harkius 6
belgareth 5
glimrypost 5
misclick 5
nai 5 (staff)
teia 4 (staff)
azrael 3
binary 3
faheyUSMC 3
galspanic 3 (staff)
kaitscralt 3 (gutter member)
kijin 3 (gutter member - now banned)
kpaca 3 (gutter member - now banned)
mystery45 3
NS 3 (gutter member - now banned)
rianalnn 3 (staff - at the time)
senori 3 (staff)
These people have a wide variety of opinions on the matters in the 12 threads I checked, includes a number of upper and lower staff members, gutter members, and non-gutter members. Neither gutter members nor staff members occupy the top several spots of people most active in the most drama threads. It's fair to say that propagation is not at all one group's doing. Not all of these people were intentionally feeding drama. But they are all people who post a lot in a lot of drama threads, for one reason or another. And the gutter posters are certainly not the main posters (thread propagators?). Neither are staff members.
In fact, merely on postcounts as I've outlined here, if you take away the 3 gutter-specific threads (which are basically due to staff self-proclaimed bad-handlings of closures), the gutter members show up in very few other drama threads, few enough that they wouldn't make the ~25% of the remaning 9 drama threads list.
Not at all apparent from the paragraph, and any way is equally applicable to both.
Those messages aren't private?
Couldn't agree more! If there wasn't a mod lounge, there wouldn't be leaks of mod lounge material.
I don't think that is a very good analogy.
It would be better to say they are friends who roomed together during college and one of them still likes to have fun on the weekends while the other one slowly forgot how they'd originally become best buds (it was while binge drinking and finding ways to fight 'the man'), because a couple years after that he joined a fundamentalist sect and began to see everything that his friend did as anathema. He alternated between obsessively attempting to convert his friend and wistfully wanting things to be like how they were. Eventually, the relationship becomes so toxic one of them moves on. Neither one is blameless in the loss of the relationship, but they were getting along pretty well before the one latched on to a rigid belief system that espouses a narrow definition of 'correct'.
This isn't to say that these communities don't have bumps every so often, but these are rarely, if ever, due to an unjustified incident. I've seen people run out of their positions, but that was solely because they (a) lost the community's trust and/or (b) lost the community's respect by doing something counterproductive to the direction everyone was pulling at the time. The longer you keep people that have lost one or both of these things, the higher the probability of posters lashing out in frustration.
How you figure that I wasn't *also* trying to make a point, and instead using sarcasm is beyond me? I even suggested a plausible course of action based on what I saw in the post he quoted! That that course of action was taken as an affront (I assume?) is not on my shoulders. I cannot control how others will respond to the posts I've made, or whether they will take offense for something that wasn't offensive (or, certainly, vice versa!). It is up to each individual to decide how they are going to read them.
I get you're concerned that people not pile onto acradic for the vitriol in the post he was carded for, but the real question is, why not go to each of them personally (via PM for instance, rather than posting here), tell them why that post was unacceptable, and coach them on how to make it, for lack of a better term, more palatable? Directives from mods carry weight, do they not?
For example, you can say this:
"I know you're frustrated at acradic's behavior, but what you've posted is unacceptable language. Why not instead try something like ___________ (<--this is where you get to practice your coaching) if you feel the need to express your opinion on this matter?"
Then you could point them to the staff code of conduct and the section on staff image,
and suggest that rather than making vague complaints they could read up on how staff are supposed to conduct themselves and instead make a well reasoned and impassioned, but acceptable post language-wise, that explains how they believe arcadic is seemingly not living up to a pledge he signed and how they feel this undermines the type of community these forums are attempting to create.
This was just an example, but rather than assuming an avatar tells you someone's response, maybe you could try and actually have a conversation with them and see! Telling someone they can't fish the way they're fishing is infinitely less productive than taking the time to teach them to fish the correct way!
I notice also how his entire post is a long string of pot shots at other people. Seems like a long, hard look in the mirror is in order. Tensions are running high again around here, and there is absolutely nothing in the post you quoted that does anything to calm them, and in fact is basically does exactly the opposite. Ouch.
I am confused... this contradicts this:
Nah I'm cool. But bad posts need to be pointed out.
So because *you* don't feel oppressed, someone else can't. get over yourself dude.