I'm sort of V/LA until tomorrow but I think we should lynch Annorax or Wheat_Grinder today, preferably Annorax. I'll build a case and have it posted tomorrow.
I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
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That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
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I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
Vote TK-421
That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
Transitive property... ugh. WIFOM or worse.
MegaFOS: Incognito
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I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
Vote TK-421
That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
The bolded is where is descends into WIFOM territory.
I wasn't connecting Wheat's accusation on you with my vote. I voted you because that vote hop on iRebel's wagon was bad. You literally just rehash what everyone had said and use it to provide a "smokescreen" on what you think of MTG~DDS and iRebel and vote iRebel.
My final post for the Day: If I die tonight, if iRebel is scum then DDS is very likely to be scum while Annorax is moderately likely to be town, and if iRebel is town, DDS is very likely town and Annorax is very, very likely to be scum.
TK gives me weird vibes but I'm not sure about him. I've been watching swishh as a possible scum as well, but I'm not sure about him either.
Polski is definitely town.
@W_G why would you buddy up to Polski when he had a slight scum read on you?
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
Vote TK-421
That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
The bolded is where is descends into WIFOM territory.
I wasn't connecting Wheat's accusation on you with my vote. I voted you because that vote hop on iRebel's wagon was bad. You literally just rehash what everyone had said and use it to provide a "smokescreen" on what you think of MTG~DDS and iRebel and vote iRebel.
Wow. Really?
So you quote Polski's mention of WG, then vote me saying it was a bad wagon hop, and expect everyone else to understand that my bad wagon hop is in no way connected to what you quoted?
And you know what, it's hard to jump on a wagon near the end and provide new content without it being a bit of rehash.
Do you have any actual questions or are you just going to throw accusations?
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Hm.
Do you have reason to believe you'll die, Wheat?
If I die, keep an eye on Wheat.
This post is definitely an eyebrow raiser. I definitely feel that it by itself is inconclusive though. Scumteam could have just used this to paint a target on WG. It is indicative of a slight read (from Polski) on WG.
I was getting some scum vibes from Sixed. Is Nyxu slowrolling the hammer to seem more town?
Adding on to what has already been said, slowrolling the hammer is the correct move as both alignments.
WG backing a slow-roll hammer, it was guaranteed hammer vote as it stood. Seems odd. WG doesn't ask for reads, analysis, or more content. Just backs it saying its s good play. I am not concerned about the play, but more about ending the day without more input from Sixed/Nyxu. Incognito and Swishh seem to think what I was thinking (not trying to say what your reads were, just my interpretation at the time). Ok with hammer vote just wanting more input before it.
My final post for the Day: If I die tonight, if iRebel is scum then DDS is very likely to be scum while Annorax is moderately likely to be town, and if iRebel is town, DDS is very likely town and Annorax is very, very likely to be scum.
TK gives me weird vibes but I'm not sure about him. I've been watching swishh as a possible scum as well, but I'm not sure about him either.
Polski is definitely town.
He essentially is confirming me and Polski town? Something about that doesn't sit right with me, unless he really believed he was going to be the NK and he was blatantly bread crumbling. I still am unsure of his logic calling me town though. I want to hear some more on this. I was one of the ones pushing hardest on this 'mislynch.' Seems like he would have said the opposite about me. Only thing I could see is that if had died with a scum flip, it would look bad for Polski and me.
iRebel dropped his read on me when he could have thrown serious doubt on my case? Afterall, he is now confirmed town.
Annorax is definitely scum. That's my final post.
Best of luck my fellow Townies.
*Salute*
Does that mean he realized it was a town v town fight with me? This comes back to WG's post 295. I agree with his read currently and think Annorax's play so far was bad. But my first read was wrong, and I don't want another quick wagon on Annorax. I want more content from Annorax, but he is my top read currently.
I'm sorry guys, I'm having little to no time these days.
Even if I don't really agree with general opinions about iRebel, I do agree that we need more info to go on. As I can be wrong, and haven't seen enough on him to be alarmed of an obvious mislynch, I won't oppose to the lynch.
Explain this statement a little more. The more I read it, the more unsure I am of what you meant by it. If you were not opposed to the lynch, why didn't you hammer. If you thought it was not a good play, why didn't you voice your opinion about it?
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I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
Vote TK-421
That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
Transitive property... ugh. WIFOM or worse.
MegaFOS: Incognito
I'm almost positive there's at least 1 scum between Annorax/W_G, and this almost looks like a bus. What's the point of your "MegaFOS?"
I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
Vote TK-421
That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
The bolded is where is descends into WIFOM territory.
I wasn't connecting Wheat's accusation on you with my vote. I voted you because that vote hop on iRebel's wagon was bad. You literally just rehash what everyone had said and use it to provide a "smokescreen" on what you think of MTG~DDS and iRebel and vote iRebel.
Explain why what TK did makes him scum and not possibly apathetic town.
So because the exact two people you said would need to flip town to make you suspect annorax died and flipped town you're taking It at face value and deciding that he must be scum, despite scum ch
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
That's not what he was saying. Why do you feel the need to say it was?
@W_G why would you buddy up to Polski when he had a slight scum read on you?
I wasn't buddying, I was stating the gamestate as I saw it.
Then he happens to get night killed. Do you have a reaction to his dying post?
My reason that I believed I might die is because I have the most experience on this site of any players here, and was one of the leaders. Polski was the other big leader, so I expected it would be either him or me.
WG backing a slow-roll hammer, it was guaranteed hammer vote as it stood. Seems odd. WG doesn't ask for reads, analysis, or more content. Just backs it saying its s good play. I am not concerned about the play, but more about ending the day without more input from Sixed/Nyxu. Incognito and Swishh seem to think what I was thinking (not trying to say what your reads were, just my interpretation at the time). Ok with hammer vote just wanting more input before it.
It wasn't really a backing, it was me stating that Nyxu slowrolling was not a telling of his alignment, as some were trying to say.
If you had such great concern over the day ending, why did you not remove your own vote?
He essentially is confirming me and Polski town? Something about that doesn't sit right with me, unless he really believed he was going to be the NK and he was blatantly bread crumbling. I still am unsure of his logic calling me town though. I want to hear some more on this. I was one of the ones pushing hardest on this 'mislynch.' Seems like he would have said the opposite about me. Only thing I could see is that if had died with a scum flip, it would look bad for Polski and me.
Why the quotes around mislynch? Also, why do you take the word of one individual to mean confirmed? What was I bread-crumbing?
Why do you need logic to tell you that you are town?
iRebel dropped his read on me when he could have thrown serious doubt on my case? Afterall, he is now confirmed town.
What does his being confirmed townie have to do with anything?
Does that mean he realized it was a town v town fight with me?
@W_G why would you buddy up to Polski when he had a slight scum read on you?
I wasn't buddying, I was stating the gamestate as I saw it.
Then he happens to get night killed. Do you have a reaction to his dying post?
My reason that I believed I might die is because I have the most experience on this site of any players here, and was one of the leaders. Polski was the other big leader, so I expected it would be either him or me.
Why did you skip over the fact that he said if he was killed, people should suspect you?
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
My reason that I believed I might die is because I have the most experience on this site of any players here, and was one of the leaders. Polski was the other big leader, so I expected it would be either him or me.
Why the quotes around mislynch? Copied from my notepad, and it was a mislynch. It started off as 'lynch' in my notes until his alignment was revealed. I do that in my notes to myself to remind myself where to return to. Also, why do you take the word of one individual to mean confirmed? What was I bread-crumbing? More later in this post
Why do you need logic to tell you that you are town?
I don't need logic to know I'm town...I asked for your logic in calling me as much.
iRebel dropped his read on me when he could have thrown serious doubt on my case? Afterall, he is now confirmed town.
What does his being confirmed townie have to do with anything?
Because when his alignment is revealed previous statements can now be taken at face value. We know his intentions were not meant to mislead us. Also, if you had been the NK, your read on Polski and me would have had more weight. Not true bread crumbing, but similar nonetheless.
Why answer with all the deflection instead of straight answers?
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That seems pretty dismissive. He was one of our leaders, you proclaim him town, then he gets night killed. He warns of that exact thing, and you just say "WIFOM" and it all goes away?
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
I didn't, my observation from your statement was that you did. That's why I asked you. I also asked Magenta a similar question.
I was not concerned with the day ending. If that's not what you mean I don't get what you mean. (I actually suspect it's not what you mean because you were saying the opposite earlier so please clarify.)
Why the quotes around mislynch? Copied from my notepad, and it was a mislynch. It started off as 'lynch' in my notes until his alignment was revealed. I do that in my notes to myself to remind myself where to return to. Also, why do you take the word of one individual to mean confirmed? What was I bread-crumbing? More later in this post
Why do you need logic to tell you that you are town?
I don't need logic to know I'm town...I asked for your logic in calling me as much.
Please don't respond within quotes next time, it can confuse people.
Anyway my logic was that the responses of both you and iRebel were so similar that they very likely had to come from the same alignment.
Because when his alignment is revealed previous statements can now be taken at face value. We know his intentions were not meant to mislead us. Also, if you had been the NK, your read on Polski and me would have had more weight. Not true bread crumbing, but similar nonetheless.
I was more trying to ask why you brought it up at all.
Why answer with all the deflection instead of straight answers?
You didn't really pose any questions to me. How can I answer a question that isn't asked?
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
The problem with "if I die, then you should suspect X" is that it's so riddled with wifom it's not even worth considering as evidence either for or against X. Here, W_G is X. Obviously were W_G scum he could say "Why would I kill Polski?" Likewise Polski could have been killed to frame W_G.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
That's not what he was saying. Why do you feel the need to say it was?
You know what he was saying? Because it must have gone over my head. Which is why I was saying it. And as I assume you saw when you were reading, he corrected that.
As far as I can tell now, his quoting of you and his assessment of me are two different thoughts, just not separated well enough. I read it as one thought.
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My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
I'm sorry guys, I'm having little to no time these days.
Even if I don't really agree with general opinions about iRebel, I do agree that we need more info to go on. As I can be wrong, and haven't seen enough on him to be alarmed of an obvious mislynch, I won't oppose to the lynch.
Explain this statement a little more. The more I read it, the more unsure I am of what you meant by it. If you were not opposed to the lynch, why didn't you hammer. If you thought it was not a good play, why didn't you voice your opinion about it?
...I really don't see how you can't understand this.
If I don't think he is mafia, that's why I won't hammer him; but as he've been posting for too little time to construct an argument on him being town, and we needed more info to go on with the thought process, unfortunately I couldn't do a thing about his lynch.
My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
WG's entire thought process has been a steaming pile of WIFOM since early Day One. I still don't understand why he thought what he did, it just makes no sense.
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Let's kick the activity level up a bit everyone. We've had five posts in the last 24 hours. I also have 4 prods coming down the pipeline tomorrow afternoon. If the activity level remains this slow, I will be implementing a deadline.
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Unvote I misread, and it turns out that the thing that I quoted TK on isn't actually scummy.
I would like reasoning to see why WG and Annorax are the mafia. I don't get the case on WG at all and Annorax is indeed scummy, but his fast wagon still gives me pause.
Ugh. I might have to reread this game again. My reads are all jumbled up.
My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
I had the same feeling about this. There was a pretty picture painted right before the lynch, and it all falls into place.
Because when his alignment is revealed previous statements can now be taken at face value. We know his intentions were not meant to mislead us. Also, if you had been the NK, your read on Polski and me would have had more weight. Not true bread crumbing, but similar nonetheless.
I was more trying to ask why you brought it up at all.
I'm actually trying to get your logic behind ignoring words and reads of 2 confirmed townies. You call it WIFOM. I know not everyone who flips town has all the answers or are 100% correct, but we do know they were not lying purposefully or misleading us.
As I have been wrong using terms already...this is the Mafia explanation of WIFOM, directly from the page.
In Mafia, the ability to determine a person's motives for their actions is a core element of Day play. However, a sufficiently self-aware player can make plays that look unmistakably Townish as scum or unusually scummy as Town. Thus, it is up to the observer to make a character judgment on whether the player really IS what they seem to be or faking it well.
WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice.
Now as I read it, the statements you are disregarding as WIFOM were just that when they were made. However, with their alignments revealed, it is by definition, no longer WIFOM. Am I wrong in my understanding here? Polski's (read on WG) and iRebel's (read on Annorax) words aren't absolutes, and in themselves are not completely damning. But to handwave them away as inconsequential seems suspicious as well. Probably more than acknowledging them.
I didn't, my observation from your statement was that you did. That's why I asked you. I also asked Magenta a similar question.
I was not concerned with the day ending. If that's not what you mean I don't get what you mean. (I actually suspect it's not what you mean because you were saying the opposite earlier so please clarify.)
I can live with this answer. I was only wanting clarification as to whether or not you had reservations about ending the day. If you did, I wanted to know reasons why and/or reasons for not voicing it.
@W_G why would you buddy up to Polski when he had a slight scum read on you?
I wasn't buddying, I was stating the gamestate as I saw it.
Then he happens to get night killed. Do you have a reaction to his dying post?
My reason that I believed I might die is because I have the most experience on this site of any players here, and was one of the leaders. Polski was the other big leader, so I expected it would be either him or me.
Why did you skip over the fact that he said if he was killed, people should suspect you?
Again, Polski suspecting you was not the part that stuck out to me. Maybe it got an eyebrow raise and the desire for a few follow up questions. My thoughts initially was that it could be just a convenient frame job with dead a townie pointing a finger at you. I did not like the simple dismiss as WIFOM answer though. That was the part that pricked when read. I think I might be mirroring Swishh's thought that he stated here:
The problem with "if I die, then you should suspect X" is that it's so riddled with wifom it's not even worth considering as evidence either for or against X. Here, W_G is X. Obviously were W_G scum he could say "Why would I kill Polski?" Likewise Polski could have been killed to frame W_G.
We'll figure that out later. For now, Vote: Annorax
. The only part we differ in on this is the fact that with his alignment revealed I no longer think it qualifies as WIFOM.
@Swishh: I know you have cased Annorax already. Can you give a quick sum up of your feelings on Annorax and WG currently.
I'm sorry guys, I'm having little to no time these days.
Even if I don't really agree with general opinions about iRebel, I do agree that we need more info to go on. As I can be wrong, and haven't seen enough on him to be alarmed of an obvious mislynch, I won't oppose to the lynch.
Explain this statement a little more. The more I read it, the more unsure I am of what you meant by it. If you were not opposed to the lynch, why didn't you hammer. If you thought it was not a good play, why didn't you voice your opinion about it?
...I really don't see how you can't understand this.
If I don't think he is mafia, that's why I won't hammer him; but as he've been posting for too little time to construct an argument on him being town, and we needed more info to go on with the thought process, unfortunately I couldn't do a thing about his lynch.
Actually, your explanation was how I read it. I just wanted to ensure I was interpreting the verbiage correctly.
My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
WG's entire thought process has been a steaming pile of WIFOM since early Day One. I still don't understand why he thought what he did, it just makes no sense.
Although I agree that currently WG's argument/defense is WIFOM at this point, what active defense of it wouldn't be at this point? He is either telling the truth or not. Likewise, I never saw you account for iRebel pointing the finger at you.
Annorax is definitely scum. That's my final post.
Best of luck my fellow Townies.
*Salute*
Do you have a non-WIFOM rebuttal for that or should we hand-wave it away also? WG has at least addressed his defense... I want something to alleviate my scum read on you. Right now I'm only getting scum vibes.
Yeah I'm not sure what else there is to add to ... the nothing that's been happening. Annorax is scum, and so is W_G. Discuss.
Why am I scum with Annorax?
@DDS: I don't have time to point them out because I'm out the door as I type this, I'll point them out later.
Annorax is currently my top read, I'm not ready to say you are both scum. Correct me if im wrong (which i might be), but i don't think i called you scum. For that matter, I don't want a lynch on anyone at this point until we have some more content from all players. This is an extremely lurky game. Feels like there are only four or five players here.
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Let's kick the activity level up a bit everyone. We've had five posts in the last 24 hours. I also have 4 prods coming down the pipeline tomorrow afternoon. If the activity level remains this slow, I will be implementing a deadline.
Carry on.
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If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
If the AC repair dude doesn't show up bright and early tomorrow, I'm gonna borrow some of DDS' dental tools to carve out his eye sockets like jack o lanterns.
Also still have no idea what's going on with this disgusting Trabant777/Lord_McDisgusting's/Wheat Grinder insanity circle, except that Lord Mc_Disgusting looks a little more scummy than the rest of them.
FoS Lord McDonalds
Why use an FoS when you still have your vote?
He seems scummy as hell but I'm not ready to lynch him just yet. I want to see him post moar & claim before I start non-RVS voting. He looks scummy as hell, but I'm not willing to vote him yet.
Trabant seems like another possibility but I'm not sure enough to throw a vote at him yet either.
MegaFoS Lord McD's FoS Trabant777
Here we have 0 votes, 1 FoS, and 1 MegaFoS. Annorax claims s/he doesn't want to vote yet because s/he would prefer a claim first, but L_McD wouldn't claim until being pushed to L-2, which would require...votes. It's like Annorax just wants everyone to know that these are two people we should think are scum. In hindsight, this is decent evidence that Trabant/iRebel was town. And if Annorax does flip scum, L_McD (or the replacement at this point I guess) will look pretty town.
Because I was interested in a Trabant777 lynch until Annorax posted. I'm still trying to decide if they could be potential scum buddies, but until then I need to figure out which is more likely scum.
I didn't want to risk restarting a wagon that the scum would jump aboard before we have enough information to be sure he really is scum. But **** it, let's throw caution to the wind & let them push us into mislynches all over the place since you seem to think that's a good idea.
Vote LordMcDonalds
I've emphasized the key point here. There isn't any information we could get day 1 that would 100% peg L_McD scum. Annorax is feigning to much caution with voting. The underlined text indicates that Annorax believes L_McD would indeed be a mislynch. Again, if Annorax is scum, L_McD is town.
I could get behind lynching either iRebel/trabant or MTG~DDS today. I'm convinced they're both scum, the one that doesn't get lynched today can easily be dealt with D2.
Here Annorax seems to have forgotten completely about L_McD. And even though we 'dealt with iRebel' yesterday, today Annorax has moved onto W_G.
I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
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That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
Transitive property... ugh. WIFOM or worse.
MegaFOS: Incognito
And another MegaFoS.
Someone mentioned concern at the speed of the Annorax bandwagon.
It looks like I was first to vote Annorax @ 139. W_G immediately joined in 140 (I'll comment on W_G later). L_McD follows in 141, then Incognito in 142. I think there was a vote count error in 1.4 because in 1.3 Trabant wasn't voting, but in 1.4 he was voting Annorax. I don't see where that happened though.
This doesn't look like scum jumping on a town bandwagon.
@Annorax post73 what was so confusing about the discussion? Why was Lord Mc more scummy during the discussion?
@icognito post 91 why would you want to lynch Trabant over Annorax?
Annorax post 108 I am shocked no one voted you for this comment alone. You want a claim, but you don’t want to vote him to get the claim and you still don’t vote for him when RVS is completely done with? Seriously why is he alive?
Oh thank god swish caught on to a annorax post.
@MRHpost 111 I don’t like this post. Empty noise with no pressure or questions.
Annorax post 138 DIE SCUM DIE!!!
Vote: Annorax
To elaborate, anyone that votes when pressured is typically scum, enough said.
Hey Not just me then
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
Annorax post 191
BS, first you said you didn’t want to vote do to RVS, then you still don’t vote after RVS with no reasoning, then you vote due to pressure. Those are facts, not this fiction.
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#4 is probably not true. It'd be weird for a basic to have more than 3. It gets really hard to balance more in a basic. I had 4 Town PRs in my Basic, but it still didn't require another mafia member. I think Trabant was mafia, and you know my feelings on Lord_McD, so #3 is obvious. #1 is not true. He's at L-4 But it was true when asked (I think, not gonna check). #2, No idea. Could be. Likely is. I doubt the two noob mafia would bus their own member. I'd think Annorax is mafia, but there's environmental evidence against it for now.
NYXU: What are your reads of the players in this game?
@incognito post 307
Do you no longer think Annorax is scum?
MRH post 313 this reads as a smear based on night kill to me.
Post 321 from MRH is more pushing of WIFOM of the night kill against WG.
MRH: Do you know that scum kill people to create WIFOM?
Few things bother me is Incognito not pushing hard on Annorax after and just riding along with either irebel or Annorax. His vote today on TK is weird.
MRH is really pushing WIFOM for the night kill. MRH didn't really do much day 1, empty post and just sits a vote on Lord for something that was over long ago with weak reasoning. Magenta is another giving me nothing this game, but floater vibes. I can't explain why, but TK just gives me a bad feeling.
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I'm pissed at Google right now (And getting me pissed at something is a very difficult proposition) and don't want that to carry over into the game so I'm only responding to one thing I didn't catch before.
My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
The other predicting alignment is alive and kicking, namely DDS. Polski was never a predictive alignment for me because I was certain he was town.
Also I'm even more uncertain about DDS given that he had the "same feelings" as you when your logic is based on a fallacy. I believe in your case it's just an accident, but DDS hopped on without doing his homework.
pinkys_brain, I wanted to lynch Trabant over Annorax that time because he was more scummy. Regarding your second point, I thought Annorax was still scummy, but his super fast wagon gave me pause.
I would still to hear reasons why Wheat is scum. People have been throwing it out there but I don't see evidence.
I want to hear more from Nyxu and MRHBlue as well. Nyxu feels a bit under the radar ever since he replaced in. Same for MRH.
swishh's wagon analysis makes me feel a lot better about this.
My final post for the Day: If I die tonight, if iRebel is scum then DDS is very likely to be scum while Annorax is moderately likely to be town, and if iRebel is town, DDS is very likely town and Annorax is very, very likely to be scum.
TK gives me weird vibes but I'm not sure about him. I've been watching swishh as a possible scum as well, but I'm not sure about him either.
Polski is definitely town.
I stand corrected
I knew you had a predictive thing. I suppose I must've misread someone else's mention of polski nearing the twilight.
My reads on other players are.. "DDS' having the same (mistaken) feelings as I did is rather unlikely"
Other than that I haven't gone through and developed specific "Reads" on people- I'm primarily looking for loose threads to pull at this juncture.
#4 is probably not true. It'd be weird for a basic to have more than 3. It gets really hard to balance more in a basic. I had 4 Town PRs in my Basic, but it still didn't require another mafia member. I think Trabant was mafia, and you know my feelings on Lord_McD, so #3 is obvious. #1 is not true. He's at L-4 But it was true when asked (I think, not gonna check). #2, No idea. Could be. Likely is. I doubt the two noob mafia would bus their own member. I'd think Annorax is mafia, but there's environmental evidence against it for now.
The environmental evidence is within that very quote. I believe there to be 3 mafiates. Question number two was regarding mafia bussing their own. As my #3 shows, at the time of the post, I thought Trabant and Lord_McD to be mafia. The likelihood of both mafia bussing their own is extremely low. That suggests then that one of the three was not. My own feeling was that Annorax was not because of how strongly I felt about Trabant and Lord_McD.
With Trabant now town, this is obviously false and Annorax could easily be mafia with Lord_McD having been mafia willing to bus.
And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
I can't decide if that's supposed to be discrediting me, thus netting you a possible mislynch and people thinking you're town or a distancing tactic from Annorax, ensuring that at least one of you makes it out alive.
I mean, here I was thinking I was very likely wrong about Annorax being town, and you've got me thinking there's a chance he could be. But there's one thing I'm feeling even more sure of: that Lord_McD was mafia, and you are mafia too.
Vote: pinkys_brain
If you're not mafia, you've successfully thrown me off the trail of any actual mafia, and that's nearly as bad as being mafia.
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My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
Also I'm even more uncertain about DDS given that he had the "same feelings" as you when your logic is based on a fallacy. I believe in your case it's just an accident, but DDS hopped on without doing his homework.
Not agreeing with the whole statement. "My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths." just that part. Or at least how I interpreted that part. I really only focused on the first part and apparently ignored the rest. I think Annorax has been cased already, so not asking for more of the same here. My "same feelings" was that initially I thought iRebel pointing the finger at Annorax was evidence you were using...the same type evidence you were also dismissing about yourself, I.E. Polski. Since that was not the basis of your case, a non point. The naked vote and short explanation distracted me to think that was a main point.
I would still to hear reasons why Wheat is scum. People have been throwing it out there but I don't see evidence.
With more consideration given and trying not to go too far down the WIFOM rabbit hole, it makes less sense for WG to be scum and more likely for Annorax. With two townies pointing fingers, why would WG kill the one that makes him look guilty? That, and the mounting case against Annorax, who seems to be AWOL for his own defense...Pour up a glass and decide for yourself.
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I'm pissed at Google right now (And getting me pissed at something is a very difficult proposition) and don't want that to carry over into the game so I'm only responding to one thing I didn't catch before.
My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths. You proclaimed yesterday that the alignment of two parties would predict the third, and conveniently the second party died as a nk after the first was lynched.
The other predicting alignment is alive and kicking, namely DDS. Polski was never a predictive alignment for me because I was certain he was town.
Also I'm even more uncertain about DDS given that he had the "same feelings" as you when your logic is based on a fallacy. I believe in your case it's just an accident, but DDS hopped on without doing his homework.
I'm just not sure on him.
More eventually, probably not til tomorrow.
Hey PB what's your opinion on me? Also hi.
My thoughts on u are that you having been active, questing thing, giving pause on fast wagons and I overall town vibes, which bothers me a bit because I recall think you scummy in the past when you have been town.
pinkys_brain, I wanted to lynch Trabant over Annorax that time because he was more scummy. Regarding your second point, I thought Annorax was still scummy, but his super fast wagon gave me pause.
I would still to hear reasons why Wheat is scum. People have been throwing it out there but I don't see evidence.
I want to hear more from Nyxu and MRHBlue as well. Nyxu feels a bit under the radar ever since he replaced in. Same for MRH.
swishh's wagon analysis makes me feel a lot better about this.
#4 is probably not true. It'd be weird for a basic to have more than 3. It gets really hard to balance more in a basic. I had 4 Town PRs in my Basic, but it still didn't require another mafia member. I think Trabant was mafia, and you know my feelings on Lord_McD, so #3 is obvious. #1 is not true. He's at L-4 But it was true when asked (I think, not gonna check). #2, No idea. Could be. Likely is. I doubt the two noob mafia would bus their own member. I'd think Annorax is mafia, but there's environmental evidence against it for now.
The environmental evidence is within that very quote. I believe there to be 3 mafiates. Question number two was regarding mafia bussing their own. As my #3 shows, at the time of the post, I thought Trabant and Lord_McD to be mafia. The likelihood of both mafia bussing their own is extremely low. That suggests then that one of the three was not. My own feeling was that Annorax was not because of how strongly I felt about Trabant and Lord_McD.
With Trabant now town, this is obviously false and Annorax could easily be mafia with Lord_McD having been mafia willing to bus.
And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
I can't decide if that's supposed to be discrediting me, thus netting you a possible mislynch and people thinking you're town or a distancing tactic from Annorax, ensuring that at least one of you makes it out alive.
I mean, here I was thinking I was very likely wrong about Annorax being town, and you've got me thinking there's a chance he could be. But there's one thing I'm feeling even more sure of: that Lord_McD was mafia, and you are mafia too.
Vote: pinkys_brain
If you're not mafia, you've successfully thrown me off the trail of any actual mafia, and that's nearly as bad as being mafia.
Discredit you? Where? Also can you remind me on your reasons why you believe lord (aka me) are scum. Also how me flipping town exanorates annorax?
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I do want to point this out, though the WIFOM maze is hard to navigate.
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That wagon hop is really bad.
What.
So I'm just going to follow Incognito's Maze. So Polski suspected WG. Because Polski died, WG must have been mafia. Because WG suspected me and is mafia, I must be... mafia?
That's just the absolute worst logic ever.
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Transitive property... ugh. WIFOM or worse.
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The bolded is where is descends into WIFOM territory.
I wasn't connecting Wheat's accusation on you with my vote. I voted you because that vote hop on iRebel's wagon was bad. You literally just rehash what everyone had said and use it to provide a "smokescreen" on what you think of MTG~DDS and iRebel and vote iRebel.
@W_G why would you buddy up to Polski when he had a slight scum read on you?
Then he happens to get night killed. Do you have a reaction to his dying post?
Wow. Really?
So you quote Polski's mention of WG, then vote me saying it was a bad wagon hop, and expect everyone else to understand that my bad wagon hop is in no way connected to what you quoted?
And you know what, it's hard to jump on a wagon near the end and provide new content without it being a bit of rehash.
Do you have any actual questions or are you just going to throw accusations?
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This post is definitely an eyebrow raiser. I definitely feel that it by itself is inconclusive though. Scumteam could have just used this to paint a target on WG. It is indicative of a slight read (from Polski) on WG.
WG backing a slow-roll hammer, it was guaranteed hammer vote as it stood. Seems odd. WG doesn't ask for reads, analysis, or more content. Just backs it saying its s good play. I am not concerned about the play, but more about ending the day without more input from Sixed/Nyxu. Incognito and Swishh seem to think what I was thinking (not trying to say what your reads were, just my interpretation at the time). Ok with hammer vote just wanting more input before it.
WGs post:
He essentially is confirming me and Polski town? Something about that doesn't sit right with me, unless he really believed he was going to be the NK and he was blatantly bread crumbling. I still am unsure of his logic calling me town though. I want to hear some more on this. I was one of the ones pushing hardest on this 'mislynch.' Seems like he would have said the opposite about me. Only thing I could see is that if had died with a scum flip, it would look bad for Polski and me.
iRebel dropped his read on me when he could have thrown serious doubt on my case? Afterall, he is now confirmed town.
Does that mean he realized it was a town v town fight with me? This comes back to WG's post 295. I agree with his read currently and think Annorax's play so far was bad. But my first read was wrong, and I don't want another quick wagon on Annorax. I want more content from Annorax, but he is my top read currently.
Explain this statement a little more. The more I read it, the more unsure I am of what you meant by it. If you were not opposed to the lynch, why didn't you hammer. If you thought it was not a good play, why didn't you voice your opinion about it?
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Why weren't you surprised?
I'm almost positive there's at least 1 scum between Annorax/W_G, and this almost looks like a bus. What's the point of your "MegaFOS?"
Explain why what TK did makes him scum and not possibly apathetic town.
DDS is still alive. I don't get what you mean.
That's not what he was saying. Why do you feel the need to say it was?
I wasn't buddying, I was stating the gamestate as I saw it.
My reason that I believed I might die is because I have the most experience on this site of any players here, and was one of the leaders. Polski was the other big leader, so I expected it would be either him or me.
It wasn't really a backing, it was me stating that Nyxu slowrolling was not a telling of his alignment, as some were trying to say.
If you had such great concern over the day ending, why did you not remove your own vote?
Why the quotes around mislynch? Also, why do you take the word of one individual to mean confirmed? What was I bread-crumbing?
Why do you need logic to tell you that you are town?
What does his being confirmed townie have to do with anything?
Why are you asking us?
Polski and I were the two biggest leaders. There's no outed PRs for scum to go after.
Agrees with this statement.
I didn't, my observation from your statement was that you did. That's why I asked you. I also asked Magenta a similar question.
I don't need logic to know I'm town...I asked for your logic in calling me as much.
Because when his alignment is revealed previous statements can now be taken at face value. We know his intentions were not meant to mislead us. Also, if you had been the NK, your read on Polski and me would have had more weight. Not true bread crumbing, but similar nonetheless.
Why answer with all the deflection instead of straight answers?
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That seems pretty dismissive. He was one of our leaders, you proclaim him town, then he gets night killed. He warns of that exact thing, and you just say "WIFOM" and it all goes away?
I was not concerned with the day ending. If that's not what you mean I don't get what you mean. (I actually suspect it's not what you mean because you were saying the opposite earlier so please clarify.)
Please don't respond within quotes next time, it can confuse people.
Anyway my logic was that the responses of both you and iRebel were so similar that they very likely had to come from the same alignment.
I was more trying to ask why you brought it up at all.
You didn't really pose any questions to me. How can I answer a question that isn't asked?
Please answer the rest of my questions btw.
Why wouldn't they have NK'd you then?
I assume that they left me alive because I would look bad over being wrong about iRebel.
We'll figure that out later. For now,
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You know what he was saying? Because it must have gone over my head. Which is why I was saying it. And as I assume you saw when you were reading, he corrected that.
As far as I can tell now, his quoting of you and his assessment of me are two different thoughts, just not separated well enough. I read it as one thought.
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I can't change the opinion of someone who's dead, why argue with him?
He's wrong, but only I have the confirmation of that. Everyone else can only take WIFOM from it.
...I really don't see how you can't understand this.
If I don't think he is mafia, that's why I won't hammer him; but as he've been posting for too little time to construct an argument on him being town, and we needed more info to go on with the thought process, unfortunately I couldn't do a thing about his lynch.
WG's entire thought process has been a steaming pile of WIFOM since early Day One. I still don't understand why he thought what he did, it just makes no sense.
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Let's kick the activity level up a bit everyone. We've had five posts in the last 24 hours. I also have 4 prods coming down the pipeline tomorrow afternoon. If the activity level remains this slow, I will be implementing a deadline.
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Why am I scum with Annorax?
@DDS: I don't have time to point them out because I'm out the door as I type this, I'll point them out later.
So, here are my thoughts.
Unvote I misread, and it turns out that the thing that I quoted TK on isn't actually scummy.
I would like reasoning to see why WG and Annorax are the mafia. I don't get the case on WG at all and Annorax is indeed scummy, but his fast wagon still gives me pause.
Ugh. I might have to reread this game again. My reads are all jumbled up.
I had the same feeling about this. There was a pretty picture painted right before the lynch, and it all falls into place.
I'm actually trying to get your logic behind ignoring words and reads of 2 confirmed townies. You call it WIFOM. I know not everyone who flips town has all the answers or are 100% correct, but we do know they were not lying purposefully or misleading us.
As I have been wrong using terms already...this is the Mafia explanation of WIFOM, directly from the page.
WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice.
Now as I read it, the statements you are disregarding as WIFOM were just that when they were made. However, with their alignments revealed, it is by definition, no longer WIFOM. Am I wrong in my understanding here? Polski's (read on WG) and iRebel's (read on Annorax) words aren't absolutes, and in themselves are not completely damning. But to handwave them away as inconsequential seems suspicious as well. Probably more than acknowledging them.
I can live with this answer. I was only wanting clarification as to whether or not you had reservations about ending the day. If you did, I wanted to know reasons why and/or reasons for not voicing it.
Again, Polski suspecting you was not the part that stuck out to me. Maybe it got an eyebrow raise and the desire for a few follow up questions. My thoughts initially was that it could be just a convenient frame job with dead a townie pointing a finger at you. I did not like the simple dismiss as WIFOM answer though. That was the part that pricked when read. I think I might be mirroring Swishh's thought that he stated here:
. The only part we differ in on this is the fact that with his alignment revealed I no longer think it qualifies as WIFOM.
@Swishh: I know you have cased Annorax already. Can you give a quick sum up of your feelings on Annorax and WG currently.
@Magenta:
@Annorax:
Do you have a non-WIFOM rebuttal for that or should we hand-wave it away also? WG has at least addressed his defense... I want something to alleviate my scum read on you. Right now I'm only getting scum vibes.
@WG: just saw this before posting.
Annorax is currently my top read, I'm not ready to say you are both scum. Correct me if im wrong (which i might be), but i don't think i called you scum. For that matter, I don't want a lynch on anyone at this point until we have some more content from all players. This is an extremely lurky game. Feels like there are only four or five players here.
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Here we have 0 votes, 1 FoS, and 1 MegaFoS. Annorax claims s/he doesn't want to vote yet because s/he would prefer a claim first, but L_McD wouldn't claim until being pushed to L-2, which would require...votes. It's like Annorax just wants everyone to know that these are two people we should think are scum. In hindsight, this is decent evidence that Trabant/iRebel was town. And if Annorax does flip scum, L_McD (or the replacement at this point I guess) will look pretty town.
I've emphasized the key point here. There isn't any information we could get day 1 that would 100% peg L_McD scum. Annorax is feigning to much caution with voting. The underlined text indicates that Annorax believes L_McD would indeed be a mislynch. Again, if Annorax is scum, L_McD is town.
Here Annorax seems to have forgotten completely about L_McD. And even though we 'dealt with iRebel' yesterday, today Annorax has moved onto W_G.
@Annorax: What does iRebel's flipping town have to do with DDS's alignement?
And another MegaFoS.
Someone mentioned concern at the speed of the Annorax bandwagon.
It looks like I was first to vote Annorax @ 139. W_G immediately joined in 140 (I'll comment on W_G later). L_McD follows in 141, then Incognito in 142. I think there was a vote count error in 1.4 because in 1.3 Trabant wasn't voting, but in 1.4 he was voting Annorax. I don't see where that happened though.
This doesn't look like scum jumping on a town bandwagon.
@Annorax post73 what was so confusing about the discussion? Why was Lord Mc more scummy during the discussion?
@icognito post 91 why would you want to lynch Trabant over Annorax?
Annorax post 108 I am shocked no one voted you for this comment alone. You want a claim, but you don’t want to vote him to get the claim and you still don’t vote for him when RVS is completely done with? Seriously why is he alive?
Oh thank god swish caught on to a annorax post.
@MRHpost 111 I don’t like this post. Empty noise with no pressure or questions.
Annorax post 138 DIE SCUM DIE!!!
Vote: Annorax
To elaborate, anyone that votes when pressured is typically scum, enough said.
Hey Not just me then
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
Annorax post 191
BS, first you said you didn’t want to vote do to RVS, then you still don’t vote after RVS with no reasoning, then you vote due to pressure. Those are facts, not this fiction.
What environmental evidence is that?
hi I will jump on either wagon since their not my scum buddies.
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@incognito post 307
Do you no longer think Annorax is scum?
MRH post 313 this reads as a smear based on night kill to me.
Post 321 from MRH is more pushing of WIFOM of the night kill against WG.
MRH: Do you know that scum kill people to create WIFOM?
Few things bother me is Incognito not pushing hard on Annorax after and just riding along with either irebel or Annorax. His vote today on TK is weird.
MRH is really pushing WIFOM for the night kill. MRH didn't really do much day 1, empty post and just sits a vote on Lord for something that was over long ago with weak reasoning. Magenta is another giving me nothing this game, but floater vibes. I can't explain why, but TK just gives me a bad feeling.
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
The other predicting alignment is alive and kicking, namely DDS. Polski was never a predictive alignment for me because I was certain he was town.
Also I'm even more uncertain about DDS given that he had the "same feelings" as you when your logic is based on a fallacy. I believe in your case it's just an accident, but DDS hopped on without doing his homework.
I'm just not sure on him.
More eventually, probably not til tomorrow.
Hey PB what's your opinion on me? Also hi.
I would still to hear reasons why Wheat is scum. People have been throwing it out there but I don't see evidence.
I want to hear more from Nyxu and MRHBlue as well. Nyxu feels a bit under the radar ever since he replaced in. Same for MRH.
swishh's wagon analysis makes me feel a lot better about this.
Vote Annorax
I stand corrected
I knew you had a predictive thing. I suppose I must've misread someone else's mention of polski nearing the twilight.
My reads on other players are.. "DDS' having the same (mistaken) feelings as I did is rather unlikely"
Other than that I haven't gone through and developed specific "Reads" on people- I'm primarily looking for loose threads to pull at this juncture.
The environmental evidence is within that very quote. I believe there to be 3 mafiates. Question number two was regarding mafia bussing their own. As my #3 shows, at the time of the post, I thought Trabant and Lord_McD to be mafia. The likelihood of both mafia bussing their own is extremely low. That suggests then that one of the three was not. My own feeling was that Annorax was not because of how strongly I felt about Trabant and Lord_McD.
With Trabant now town, this is obviously false and Annorax could easily be mafia with Lord_McD having been mafia willing to bus.
And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
I can't decide if that's supposed to be discrediting me, thus netting you a possible mislynch and people thinking you're town or a distancing tactic from Annorax, ensuring that at least one of you makes it out alive.
I mean, here I was thinking I was very likely wrong about Annorax being town, and you've got me thinking there's a chance he could be. But there's one thing I'm feeling even more sure of: that Lord_McD was mafia, and you are mafia too.
Vote: pinkys_brain
If you're not mafia, you've successfully thrown me off the trail of any actual mafia, and that's nearly as bad as being mafia.
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Not agreeing with the whole statement. "My main concern wg is that your vote, annorax, appears to be running off of similar convenient deaths." just that part. Or at least how I interpreted that part. I really only focused on the first part and apparently ignored the rest. I think Annorax has been cased already, so not asking for more of the same here. My "same feelings" was that initially I thought iRebel pointing the finger at Annorax was evidence you were using...the same type evidence you were also dismissing about yourself, I.E. Polski. Since that was not the basis of your case, a non point. The naked vote and short explanation distracted me to think that was a main point.
With more consideration given and trying not to go too far down the WIFOM rabbit hole, it makes less sense for WG to be scum and more likely for Annorax. With two townies pointing fingers, why would WG kill the one that makes him look guilty? That, and the mounting case against Annorax, who seems to be AWOL for his own defense...Pour up a glass and decide for yourself.
What is current vote count?
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My Decks
BSpanish InquisitionB
UWU/W StoneBladeWU
WUGBant NOGUW
BWDeadguy AleWB
Modern
WDeath and TaxesW
EDH
BBBalthor ReanimatorBB
GBWThe Rock / TenebWBG
BBMaralen ANT EDHBB
UUHeidar, Winter Is ComingUU
In the future, please put vote count requests in bold. It's a little easy to accidentally gloss over them otherwise.
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Votecount 2.2
Annorax (4): Wheat_Grinder, swishh; pinkys_brain; Incognito
Wheat_Grinder (2): Annorax, MRHblue
pinky's_brain (1):; TK-421
Not Voting: Magenta; MTG~DDS; Nyxu
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch!
V/LA
TK-421 until 4/30/13
What on earth does this mean?
Some more content from W_G would be nice too.
My thoughts on u are that you having been active, questing thing, giving pause on fast wagons and I overall town vibes, which bothers me a bit because I recall think you scummy in the past when you have been town.
I was asking specifically what actions those are.
Discredit you? Where? Also can you remind me on your reasons why you believe lord (aka me) are scum. Also how me flipping town exanorates annorax?
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22