@MRHpost 111 I don’t like this post. Empty noise with no pressure or questions.
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
He makes an accusation about half the people in the game then votes for someone due to not posting. Its a non-focused vote to not get called out for not voting while slinging at half the game.
MRH post 313 this reads as a smear based on night kill to me.
Post 321 from MRH is more pushing of WIFOM of the night kill against WG.
MRH: Do you know that scum kill people to create WIFOM?
Few things bother me is Incognito not pushing hard on Annorax after and just riding along with either irebel or Annorax. His vote today on TK is weird.
MRH is really pushing WIFOM for the night kill. MRH didn't really do much day 1, empty post and just sits a vote on Lord for something that was over long ago with weak reasoning. Magenta is another giving me nothing this game, but floater vibes. I can't explain why, but TK just gives me a bad feeling.
Of course scum will do anything to create distrust amongst us, but good scum also do things like kill the obvious NK target and then go 'well I would never kill him, it implicates me'.
Polski didn't just pick W_G out of a hat to say that about.
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@MRHpost 111 I don’t like this post. Empty noise with no pressure or questions.
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
He makes an accusation about half the people in the game then votes for someone due to not posting. Its a non-focused vote to not get called out for not voting while slinging at half the game.
MRH post 313 this reads as a smear based on night kill to me.
Post 321 from MRH is more pushing of WIFOM of the night kill against WG.
MRH: Do you know that scum kill people to create WIFOM?
Few things bother me is Incognito not pushing hard on Annorax after and just riding along with either irebel or Annorax. His vote today on TK is weird.
MRH is really pushing WIFOM for the night kill. MRH didn't really do much day 1, empty post and just sits a vote on Lord for something that was over long ago with weak reasoning. Magenta is another giving me nothing this game, but floater vibes. I can't explain why, but TK just gives me a bad feeling.
Of course scum will do anything to create distrust amongst us, but good scum also do things like kill the obvious NK target and then go 'well I would never kill him, it implicates me'.
Polski didn't just pick W_G out of a hat to say that about.
Did you think wg was scummy before the comment? Why do you think poliski said that?
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Back, still catching up (and am mentally dead right now ) /unvote Annorax Haven't completely processed/read the last few pages and keeping my vote on him seems silly in light of this.
This unvote did not make sense to me. This was after the lynch on iRebel was all but going to happen. Why did LMCD feel the need to unvote Annorax? He did not give a real reason for the unvote or even say if he dropped his read on Annorax. He didn't vote on iRebel then or present anything new. He just unvoted so his name wouldn't show up in vote count? I know PB can't answer for that specific action, but can anyone shed light on this. Does it even mean anything or is this something that is a non-issue?
I'm not saying that's the case here, but I'd like to be more sure before we move along.
How "sure" would you like to be? How are you measuring this sure-ness? Are you willing to bite the bullet even if you aren't sure?
I'm sure this doesn't sound right to me... What was the sense of urgency coming from? Ending the day swiftly doesn't benefit the town. He was still hunting when you gave him the hurry-up.
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Sorry my question wasn't clear. I was trying to understand your view on what action made irebel (can't remember replacement name right this moment) was scummier. Saying someone is scummier is just too vague for me.
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And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
What part make u think annorax is town and why?
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Did you think wg was scummy before the comment? Why do you think poliski said that?
I had a null read on W_G at that point. He seemed to be active, but not providing a lot of content that looked like new information.I did see polski as solid town, as our leader hunting. Then W_G buddies him, and says he (W_G) expects to be the NK. Then polski IS the NK and W_G looks all shocked and tries to use it as evidence he's town.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
Did you think wg was scummy before the comment? Why do you think poliski said that?
I had a null read on W_G at that point. He seemed to be active, but not providing a lot of content that looked like new information.I did see polski as solid town, as our leader hunting. Then W_G buddies him, and says he (W_G) expects to be the NK. Then polski IS the NK and W_G looks all shocked and tries to use it as evidence he's town.
Quotes to back this assertion up, please.
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I'm actually trying to get your logic behind ignoring words and reads of 2 confirmed townies. You call it WIFOM. I know not everyone who flips town has all the answers or are 100% correct, but we do know they were not lying purposefully or misleading us.
Now as I read it, the statements you are disregarding as WIFOM were just that when they were made. However, with their alignments revealed, it is by definition, no longer WIFOM. Am I wrong in my understanding here? Polski's (read on WG) and iRebel's (read on Annorax) words aren't absolutes, and in themselves are not completely damning. But to handwave them away as inconsequential seems suspicious as well. Probably more than acknowledging them.
It's WIFOM because the scum can make the kills paint a picture.
If you want to call me scum make your own case; don't trust the words of a dead guy.
I'm actually trying to get your logic behind ignoring words and reads of 2 confirmed townies. You call it WIFOM. I know not everyone who flips town has all the answers or are 100% correct, but we do know they were not lying purposefully or misleading us.
Now as I read it, the statements you are disregarding as WIFOM were just that when they were made. However, with their alignments revealed, it is by definition, no longer WIFOM. Am I wrong in my understanding here? Polski's (read on WG) and iRebel's (read on Annorax) words aren't absolutes, and in themselves are not completely damning. But to handwave them away as inconsequential seems suspicious as well. Probably more than acknowledging them.
It's WIFOM because the scum can make the kills paint a picture.
If you want to call me scum make your own case; don't trust the words of a dead guy.
I addressed that topic already. Even if Polski and iRebel were not purposefully misleading, I acknowledge that they could have been incorrect.
I would still to hear reasons why Wheat is scum. People have been throwing it out there but I don't see evidence.
With more consideration given and trying not to go too far down the WIFOM rabbit hole, it makes less sense for WG to be scum and more likely for Annorax. With two townies pointing fingers, why would WG kill the one that makes him look guilty? That, and the mounting case against Annorax, who seems to be AWOL for his own defense...Pour up a glass and decide for yourself.
I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
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I would replace nyxu with annorax. So far seen Tk defend annorax without a reason and pretty ignored the points against him day one. Mph just sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that.
@mrh who is on your scum list and why?
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I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
I saw no need to answer because it should be obvious: if I were scum, killing someone that accuses me of being scum would be a good way to get myself speedlynched.
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I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
I saw no need to answer because it should be obvious: if I were scum, killing someone that accuses me of being scum would be a good way to get myself speedlynched.
The one accusing you was the mislynch...not the NK. I agree with the logic, but that argument seems to apply to WG not you. Explain again what you mean there.
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I would replace nyxu with annorax. So far seen Tk defend annorax without a reason and pretty ignored the points against him day one. Mph just sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that.
@mrh who is on your scum list and why?
Spooky.
But yeah, Nyxu feels like how I remember in Vanilla Mafia. If he continues to lurk I'll have problems with him but for now I don't think he's scum.
I addressed that topic already. Even if Polski and iRebel were not purposefully misleading, I acknowledge that they could have been incorrect.
I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
So...what do you want from me? I just don't understand what the question is you want answered, because I feel like I've addressed it too.
Greetings fellow evildoers. I have been skimming as part of my mentoring duties, but am now commencing a reread. Who can give me a summarized list of pertinent events that have occurred in the game so far?
Greetings fellow evildoers. I have been skimming as part of my mentoring duties, but am now commencing a reread. Who can give me a summarized list of pertinent events that have occurred in the game so far?
Early on there were several extremely quick wagons, eventually iRebel (r. Trabant) was decided on as the lynch, Polski was NK'd, and today the main suspicion started on Annorax (with a lesser amount on myself) and has shifted a little, but Annorax is still the largest wagon I believe.
I addressed that topic already. Even if Polski and iRebel were not purposefully misleading, I acknowledge that they could have been incorrect.
I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
So...what do you want from me? I just don't understand what the question is you want answered, because I feel like I've addressed it too.
no questions for you currently on that topic, sorry for confusion in my posts.
I would like your thoughts on Annorax. His post seems a bit of a slip:
I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
I saw no need to answer because it should be obvious: if I were scum, killing someone that accuses me of being scum would be a good way to get myself speedlynched.
The one accusing you was the mislynch...not the NK. I agree with the logic, but that argument seems to apply to WG not you. Explain again what you mean there.
The underlined would have been an ok statement if you(WG) had made it, but as it stands, the circumstances don't line up. It seems an attempt to paint you in that light, not Annorax. The lynched townie pointed at Annorax, the NK pointed at you. He explained it as if the reverse were the case.
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I have made other posts on the same thought, you didn't capture the endpoint with your representation. Fingers pointed by dead town do not absolutely indicate scum. It is a good point for questions to begin. WG answered for them, Annorax ignored them.
I saw no need to answer because it should be obvious: if I were scum, killing someone that accuses me of being scum would be a good way to get myself speedlynched.
The one accusing you was the mislynch...not the NK. I agree with the logic, but that argument seems to apply to WG not you. Explain again what you mean there.
I posted at 4am, I'm not even sure what I meant there.
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If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
I meant MRH. Typing of phone sucks.
As for Nyxu I have a null read on him. Willing to hammer without adding much I have seen from town and scum, being lazy or adding little is null (which irks me when I see it come from town). I don't see enough to say town or scum from Nyxu.
The underlined would have been an ok statement if you(WG) had made it, but as it stands, the circumstances don't line up. It seems an attempt to paint you in that light, not Annorax. The lynched townie pointed at Annorax, the NK pointed at you. He explained it as if the reverse were the case.
I don't necessarily think it's a slip but I want Annorax lynched either way.
So you just throw out three names of people who are not on your scum team that might grab some traction without any real evidence?
TK has been badposting recently, Nyxu replaced Sixed and hasn't been doing much the entire game, and you've been, in the words of pinkys_brain, "sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that".
[quote=TK] #4 is probably not true. It'd be weird for a basic to have more than 3. It gets really hard to balance more in a basic. I had 4 Town PRs in my Basic, but it still didn't require another mafia member. I think Trabant was mafia, and you know my feelings on Lord_McD, so #3 is obvious. #1 is not true. He's at L-4 But it was true when asked (I think, not gonna check). #2, No idea. Could be. Likely is. I doubt the two noob mafia would bus their own member. I'd think Annorax is mafia, but there's environmental evidence against it for now.
The environmental evidence is within that very quote. I believe there to be 3 mafiates. Question number two was regarding mafia bussing their own. As my #3 shows, at the time of the post, I thought Trabant and Lord_McD to be mafia. The likelihood of both mafia bussing their own is extremely low. That suggests then that one of the three was not. My own feeling was that Annorax was not because of how strongly I felt about Trabant and Lord_McD.
With Trabant now town, this is obviously false and Annorax could easily be mafia with Lord_McD having been mafia willing to bus.
And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
I can't decide if that's supposed to be discrediting me, thus netting you a possible mislynch and people thinking you're town or a distancing tactic from Annorax, ensuring that at least one of you makes it out alive.
I mean, here I was thinking I was very likely wrong about Annorax being town, and you've got me thinking there's a chance he could be. But there's one thing I'm feeling even more sure of: that Lord_McD was mafia, and you are mafia too.
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If you're not mafia, you've successfully thrown me off the trail of any actual mafia, and that's nearly as bad as being mafia.
Discredit you? Where? Also can you remind me on your reasons why you believe lord (aka me) are scum. Also how me flipping town exanorates annorax?
Haha. I should totally have read that URL you linked to, because I thought it related to that post you quoted. But I'm not even mentioned in it. Now with just the question, that looks like you just want me to expound on my phrasing rather than attacking my thought processes. That URL wasn't supposed to be part of what was directed at me, was it?
As for reasons why I felt Lord_McD was mafia, I'll do that, but not right now. Time consuming post is something I don't have time for right now.
As for Annorax being exonerated, you still seem to have failed to have understood what I said. I'll try to be as blunt and simple as possible to make it clear. I didn't think that two mafiates bussing their third member was likely. Now that iRebel has flipped town, Annorax as mafia with Lord_McD bussing him is possible.
And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
What part make u think annorax is town and why?
Now? Nothing. Annorax is one of the people I'm least sure on.
I would replace nyxu with annorax. So far seen Tk defend annorax without a reason and pretty ignored the points against him day one. Mph just sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that.
@mrh who is on your scum list and why?
You'll have to show where I defended Annorax. And I hardly ignored the points against him. In fact, that post you quoted above was the only reason I didn't have him on my mafia list. Perhaps you want to clarify your arguments against me?
@W_G, do you have any real accusations? Something beyond "He's weird and doesn't interact"? I mean, at least Incognito has "He's badposting", which at least I could respond to. Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by not interacting with others. Do you mean I'm not questioning as much as you'd like?
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I would replace nyxu with annorax. So far seen Tk defend annorax without a reason and pretty ignored the points against him day one. [MRH] just sat on the vote for most of the day, the[n] bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that.
TK has been badposting recently, Nyxu replaced Sixed and hasn't been doing much the entire game, and you've been, in the words of pinkys_brain, "sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that".
Where exactly did I bemoan iRebel's lwagon, but fail to come to his defense? I had him as mild scum read, but never said he was town prior to his flip.
Unvote, vote pinky's brain. I'm with TK, p_b is just stirring anything said to stop real analysis.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
@W_G, do you have any real accusations? Something beyond "He's weird and doesn't interact"? I mean, at least Incognito has "He's badposting", which at least I could respond to. Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by not interacting with others. Do you mean I'm not questioning as much as you'd like?
There's absolutely nothing that you've done to make me think you are town. You certainly aren't questioning enough, especially your buddies.
@W_G, do you have any real accusations? Something beyond "He's weird and doesn't interact"? I mean, at least Incognito has "He's badposting", which at least I could respond to. Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by not interacting with others. Do you mean I'm not questioning as much as you'd like?
There's absolutely nothing that you've done to make me think you are town. You certainly aren't questioning enough, especially your buddies.
You haven't done anything for me to question.
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#4 is probably not true. It'd be weird for a basic to have more than 3. It gets really hard to balance more in a basic. I had 4 Town PRs in my Basic, but it still didn't require another mafia member. I think Trabant was mafia, and you know my feelings on Lord_McD, so #3 is obvious. #1 is not true. He's at L-4 But it was true when asked (I think, not gonna check). #2, No idea. Could be. Likely is. I doubt the two noob mafia would bus their own member. I'd think Annorax is mafia, but there's environmental evidence against it for now.
The environmental evidence is within that very quote. I believe there to be 3 mafiates. Question number two was regarding mafia bussing their own. As my #3 shows, at the time of the post, I thought Trabant and Lord_McD to be mafia. The likelihood of both mafia bussing their own is extremely low. That suggests then that one of the three was not. My own feeling was that Annorax was not because of how strongly I felt about Trabant and Lord_McD.
With Trabant now town, this is obviously false and Annorax could easily be mafia with Lord_McD having been mafia willing to bus.
And I just realized you replaced Lord_McD... And that worries me. You bring up why I thought Annorax might be town in a post where I stated you(or the person before you, I guess) to be mafia.
I can't decide if that's supposed to be discrediting me, thus netting you a possible mislynch and people thinking you're town or a distancing tactic from Annorax, ensuring that at least one of you makes it out alive.
I mean, here I was thinking I was very likely wrong about Annorax being town, and you've got me thinking there's a chance he could be. But there's one thing I'm feeling even more sure of: that Lord_McD was mafia, and you are mafia too.
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If you're not mafia, you've successfully thrown me off the trail of any actual mafia, and that's nearly as bad as being mafia.
Discredit you? Where? Also can you remind me on your reasons why you believe lord (aka me) are scum. Also how me flipping town exanorates annorax?
Haha. I should totally have read that URL you linked to, because I thought it related to that post you quoted. But I'm not even mentioned in it. Now with just the question, that looks like you just want me to expound on my phrasing rather than attacking my thought processes. That URL wasn't supposed to be part of what was directed at me, was it?
No the URL is about Annorax.
As for Annorax being exonerated, you still seem to have failed to have understood what I said. I'll try to be as blunt and simple as possible to make it clear. I didn't think that two mafiates bussing their third member was likely. Now that iRebel has flipped town, Annorax as mafia with Lord_McD bussing him is possible.
Ah I thought you were saying he was town in a post. I see now your saying he was not scum in your view because of 2 other people who voted him.
I would replace nyxu with annorax. So far seen Tk defend annorax without a reason and pretty ignored the points against him day one. [MRH] just sat on the vote for most of the day, the[n] bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that.
TK has been badposting recently, Nyxu replaced Sixed and hasn't been doing much the entire game, and you've been, in the words of pinkys_brain, "sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that".
Where exactly did I bemoan iRebel's lwagon, but fail to come to his defense? I had him as mild scum read, but never said he was town prior to his flip.
Unvote, vote pinky's brain. I'm with TK, p_b is just stirring anything said to stop real analysis.
I got you and Magenta confused with the bemoaned iRebel post. The rest is you sitting on a vote.
And that is pretty much OMGUS with following another person without making your own point added. I noticed you completely dodged my question about who was scum and why. Any reason you are not discussing your full scum reads?
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Where did you say your thought iRebel was scum? Why did you have nothing to say about the Annorax case?
Why did you fos Lord Mc in the beginning, then vote for him based on things he said when you fos'ed him?
Just so you understand the sequence of events I'm discussing above:
Seems like a joke. I find it hard to believe anyone could be so.. I guess there's no fitting word other than stupid, is there? So stupid that they'd intentionally allude to their status as scum. It's worth noting that in this hypothetical scenario, it would have to be intentional. To read it as a slip is... comical.
My vote is still on LMD and this is why. Its not a slip, hes just yelling "I'm town" way too loud for my liking. Combined with a relative lack of posting is avoiding real confrontation.
Alright. These are things I felt like pointing out. My vote would go to Annorax if he wasn't already so close to a lynch, so in light of that, I'm holding my vote. No reason to end the day, there's plenty we still need to discuss.
So no analyisis of the player who would be your vote?
I really see Trabant777 just as new(kinda bad) town, but maybe I am just naive.
The collective logic saying I'm scum quite frankly makes little sense.
2. If I were scum, why on EARTH would I use my first big post to call someone out? From a scum mentality, wouldn't I want to take a lower key approach at first? Settle back and slowly work my way into the fold? Doing so would keep my profile lower. Lower profile works better, imo, for lowering scum suspicion than jumping right in like I did.
No, it would not. You read that you were being read scum, and had to throw a hay-maker to get back into the game as a town read.
I find it interesting the change and attack (weak attack that it is) happens as iRebel accumulates votes.
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That case on MRHBlue will have to come a bit later. I'm a bit busy currently.
I find the votes on pinkys_brain laughable at best, scummy at worst.
MTG~DDS, I'm comfortable with an Annorax lynch but I want more pressure on my next two scumbuddies, MRHBlue and TK-421. We still have information to extract from today.
All of these people are in the chopping block for me:
There's the main wagon, the MTG~DDS wagon, and the abstainers. Obviously, Nyxu hammered but that's not really a huge tell.
There's a guarantee to be at least one scum in every town lynch. I'm town, Polski's confirmed town. Those are two off the list. It mostly becomes a matter of POE at this point. Wheat and swishh have been town reads for me. That leaves TK and MTG~DDS. MTG has been a null tell for me (he has some good posts and some bad ones, though I'm surprised why the pressure against him has completely died off).
That leaves TK-421.
I could go onto a big case here or something why TK is scum, but I don't have a huge block of time today to pull that off.
Also consider that TK was the first to hop onto the L_McD wagon. Not exactly sure if that's a scumtell or a towntell, though.
I want everyone to answer: If there was one scum in the iRebel wagon yesterday, who is it?
And the MTG~DDS wagon... Well, I'm not sure. I believe that he was being run up for a bad reason I don't exactly understand (lying about reading the rules?). I'll probably look at it another time, when there are more dead bodies.
Mmm, sorry for triple posting. Just a couple of loose ends I forgot.
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Also, I don't necessarily think that we should lynch TK today. I don't want to divide up the wagons. I'm just presenting this right now so if I'm nightkilled this doesn't stay bottled up inside me. I think TK would be a great lynch Day 3.
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Nothing other than the fact that I was wrong about iRebel. My reads from day 1 were wrong on iRebel, they might be wrong on DDS as well.
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Of course scum will do anything to create distrust amongst us, but good scum also do things like kill the obvious NK target and then go 'well I would never kill him, it implicates me'.
Polski didn't just pick W_G out of a hat to say that about.
Did you think wg was scummy before the comment? Why do you think poliski said that?
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I don't understand TK's latest post at all.
This unvote did not make sense to me. This was after the lynch on iRebel was all but going to happen. Why did LMCD feel the need to unvote Annorax? He did not give a real reason for the unvote or even say if he dropped his read on Annorax. He didn't vote on iRebel then or present anything new. He just unvoted so his name wouldn't show up in vote count? I know PB can't answer for that specific action, but can anyone shed light on this. Does it even mean anything or is this something that is a non-issue?
TK- post 238: The sureness quote.
I'm sure this doesn't sound right to me... What was the sense of urgency coming from? Ending the day swiftly doesn't benefit the town. He was still hunting when you gave him the hurry-up.
Sounds eerily similar to arguments against iRebel. At least I'm pretty Sure...
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Sorry my question wasn't clear. I was trying to understand your view on what action made irebel (can't remember replacement name right this moment) was scummier. Saying someone is scummier is just too vague for me.
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What part make u think annorax is town and why?
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Sorry!
@swishh: Why am I scum with Annorax?
I no longer really think the answers are going to matter so I'm skipping this.
TK is very likely to be scum.
Quotes to back this assertion up, please.
It's WIFOM because the scum can make the kills paint a picture.
If you want to call me scum make your own case; don't trust the words of a dead guy.
I'm getting exactly nothing out of current interactions.
Bluhh. The fates are conspiring to make me seem lurky this game
I addressed that topic already. Even if Polski and iRebel were not purposefully misleading, I acknowledge that they could have been incorrect.
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I would replace nyxu with annorax. So far seen Tk defend annorax without a reason and pretty ignored the points against him day one. Mph just sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that.
@mrh who is on your scum list and why?
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What about Nyxu that makes him seem townie?
I'm really really sorry.
I saw no need to answer because it should be obvious: if I were scum, killing someone that accuses me of being scum would be a good way to get myself speedlynched.
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The one accusing you was the mislynch...not the NK. I agree with the logic, but that argument seems to apply to WG not you. Explain again what you mean there.
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I'd replace Nyxu with Annorax inst-
Spooky.
But yeah, Nyxu feels like how I remember in Vanilla Mafia. If he continues to lurk I'll have problems with him but for now I don't think he's scum.
So...what do you want from me? I just don't understand what the question is you want answered, because I feel like I've addressed it too.
Sixed was certainly overconfident and loathe to share his reads, but I'm not sure he was scum.
Early on there were several extremely quick wagons, eventually iRebel (r. Trabant) was decided on as the lynch, Polski was NK'd, and today the main suspicion started on Annorax (with a lesser amount on myself) and has shifted a little, but Annorax is still the largest wagon I believe.
no questions for you currently on that topic, sorry for confusion in my posts.
I would like your thoughts on Annorax. His post seems a bit of a slip:
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I posted at 4am, I'm not even sure what I meant there.
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Oops you forgot the biggest wagon (Or didn't want to buss you buddy).
Mind connecting the dots for us?
I meant MRH. Typing of phone sucks.
As for Nyxu I have a null read on him. Willing to hammer without adding much I have seen from town and scum, being lazy or adding little is null (which irks me when I see it come from town). I don't see enough to say town or scum from Nyxu.
Do you think it is bussing? do you think it is scummy that incognito forgot about his vote? Why?
@nyxu: What is your view on the cases going on today?
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I don't necessarily think it's a slip but I want Annorax lynched either way.
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Because TK is scum, Annorax is scum, and MRH is scum, and none of them are really interacting with the others much.
TK has been badposting recently, Nyxu replaced Sixed and hasn't been doing much the entire game, and you've been, in the words of pinkys_brain, "sat on the vote for most of the day, the bemoaned that iRebel seemed town, but did little to convince anyone of that".
Nice slip.
I'm probably going to case up MRHBlue at some point, though I don't necessarily think that he should take priority over Annorax.
I'm going to make sure that I acknowledge this question so I'll actually answer it because I've missed it twice.
Initial off-cuff response is my head is full of ... can't say that on television.
I'd love to get all hot-headed and case people out but I'm just unable to find a good thread to pull right now.
I'll make a point of going through this thread and be more active because I agree, PB, lurky/lazy posters in any game is bad and they should feel bad.
It means that while I believe p_b to be mafia, if he's town, he's so distracting that he's actually allowing mafia to win by being their decoy.
Haha. I should totally have read that URL you linked to, because I thought it related to that post you quoted. But I'm not even mentioned in it. Now with just the question, that looks like you just want me to expound on my phrasing rather than attacking my thought processes. That URL wasn't supposed to be part of what was directed at me, was it?
As for reasons why I felt Lord_McD was mafia, I'll do that, but not right now. Time consuming post is something I don't have time for right now.
As for Annorax being exonerated, you still seem to have failed to have understood what I said. I'll try to be as blunt and simple as possible to make it clear. I didn't think that two mafiates bussing their third member was likely. Now that iRebel has flipped town, Annorax as mafia with Lord_McD bussing him is possible.
Now? Nothing. Annorax is one of the people I'm least sure on.
You'll have to show where I defended Annorax. And I hardly ignored the points against him. In fact, that post you quoted above was the only reason I didn't have him on my mafia list. Perhaps you want to clarify your arguments against me?
@W_G, do you have any real accusations? Something beyond "He's weird and doesn't interact"? I mean, at least Incognito has "He's badposting", which at least I could respond to. Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by not interacting with others. Do you mean I'm not questioning as much as you'd like?
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Where exactly did I bemoan iRebel's lwagon, but fail to come to his defense? I had him as mild scum read, but never said he was town prior to his flip.
Unvote, vote pinky's brain. I'm with TK, p_b is just stirring anything said to stop real analysis.
There's absolutely nothing that you've done to make me think you are town. You certainly aren't questioning enough, especially your buddies.
You haven't done anything for me to question.
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You still are not explaining how I'm distracting at all.
No the URL is about Annorax.
Ah I thought you were saying he was town in a post. I see now your saying he was not scum in your view because of 2 other people who voted him.
I got you and Magenta confused with the bemoaned iRebel post. The rest is you sitting on a vote.
And that is pretty much OMGUS with following another person without making your own point added. I noticed you completely dodged my question about who was scum and why. Any reason you are not discussing your full scum reads?
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Where did you say your thought iRebel was scum? Why did you have nothing to say about the Annorax case?
Why did you fos Lord Mc in the beginning, then vote for him based on things he said when you fos'ed him?
Just so you understand the sequence of events I'm discussing above:
vote post 59
fos pst 39 where you look to know he is joking
Your case against Lord was based on his joke post and post 33, so why wait to vote?
Here is where you called Trabant town
Sudden change of view with no vote:
I find it interesting the change and attack (weak attack that it is) happens as iRebel accumulates votes.
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Elaborate please. Any new insight?
Are you comfortable with an Annorax lynch currently?
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I find the votes on pinkys_brain laughable at best, scummy at worst.
MTG~DDS, I'm comfortable with an Annorax lynch but I want more pressure on my next two scumbuddies, MRHBlue and TK-421. We still have information to extract from today.
All of these people are in the chopping block for me:
3. Annorax
6. MRHblue*
7. MTG~DDS [Mentor: Void]
9. Nyxu (r. Sixed)
12. TK-421
It's a matter of seeing them flip (scum). And if they're town, we find scum from there.
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iRebel (6): Wheat_Grinder, Incognito, MTG~DDS, swishh, TK-421, Polski
MTG~DDS (3): Annorax, iRebel, Magenta
Not Voting: MRHBlue, Lord_McDonalds, Nyxu
There's the main wagon, the MTG~DDS wagon, and the abstainers. Obviously, Nyxu hammered but that's not really a huge tell.
There's a guarantee to be at least one scum in every town lynch. I'm town, Polski's confirmed town. Those are two off the list. It mostly becomes a matter of POE at this point. Wheat and swishh have been town reads for me. That leaves TK and MTG~DDS. MTG has been a null tell for me (he has some good posts and some bad ones, though I'm surprised why the pressure against him has completely died off).
That leaves TK-421.
I could go onto a big case here or something why TK is scum, but I don't have a huge block of time today to pull that off.
Also consider that TK was the first to hop onto the L_McD wagon. Not exactly sure if that's a scumtell or a towntell, though.
Votecount 1.2
Wheat Grinder (1): Annorax
MRHBlue (1): Sixed
Trabant777 (2): Wheat_Grinder, Incognito
Lord_McDonalds (5): Grimnar (RVS), TK-421, swishh, Trabant777, MRHBlue
Not Voting: Magenta, MTG~DDS, Lord_McDonalds
I encourage everyone to ponder these wagons.
I want everyone to answer: If there was one scum in the iRebel wagon yesterday, who is it?
And the MTG~DDS wagon... Well, I'm not sure. I believe that he was being run up for a bad reason I don't exactly understand (lying about reading the rules?). I'll probably look at it another time, when there are more dead bodies.
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Also, I don't necessarily think that we should lynch TK today. I don't want to divide up the wagons. I'm just presenting this right now so if I'm nightkilled this doesn't stay bottled up inside me. I think TK would be a great lynch Day 3.