This is the infamous wifom feces-that-hit-the-fan. The major question, which may not be answerable, is this: Would W_G risk killing Polski and thereby allowing this aforementioned wifom feces-fit? I'm new to playing mafia on MTGS and don't know much about W_G. But then several strange things happen:
I'm not terribly surprised to see Polski was the nightkill, but it's unfortunate nevertheless.
Vote: Annorax
W_G voluntarily brings this up. I asked him about it, but he says he and Polski were "leaders" day 1, so of course one would die. In hindsight, I strongly disagree with this. Either Polski was killed to frame W_G, or W_G was afraid of Polski building a stronger case against him and risked the wifom-kill to avoid it.
I remain convinced that TK and Annorax are both scum. I have strong town reads on Incognito and Nyxu, so finding the third shouldn't be too difficult.
Now to clothe it: annorax has displayed consistent poor behaviour and his die scum die comment has me convinced enough that the reads an cases are sound.
I do however want to look into wg regardless of flips because he showed similar certainty signs of certainty that just don't sit well with me.
The collective logic saying I'm scum quite frankly makes little sense.
2. If I were scum, why on EARTH would I use my first big post to call someone out? From a scum mentality, wouldn't I want to take a lower key approach at first? Settle back and slowly work my way into the fold? Doing so would keep my profile lower. Lower profile works better, imo, for lowering scum suspicion than jumping right in like I did.
No, it would not. You read that you were being read scum, and had to throw a hay-maker to get back into the game as a town read.
So one comment made iRebel scum? Something you didn't even agree with and you read him as coming in panicing? How does that make sense?
You asked where I said he was scum, I posted the reference. What do you mean I didn't agree with it, I posted it.
Before iRebel replaced you had a town read on the person. Not everyone thought he was scum either. I'm asking you how you believe that iRebel was panicing.
Why did you have nothing to say about the Annorax case?
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I don't have much to add, he looks pretty scummy, plenty of other people are casing him, if we decide to lynch him we will probably get scum and/or good info.
How nice you keep avoiding voting him.
Hes not lynched, some people are not voting him. There is a lot of other good information to be found toDay. Why the push for a quicklynch?
Somehow the contradiction in this statement gets a pass.
Not a lot of people voting him
Pushing for a quick lynch.
How is it possible to push for a quick lynch when a lot of people are not voting him?
I have to say you throwing crap out there is not getting unnoticed by me at all.
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I find it interesting the change and attack (weak attack that it is) happens as iRebel accumulates votes.
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OR the replacment made a move I thought looked scummy and I changed my opinion.
A weak attack, without really explaining a thing. Like your doing right now.
You don't explain what changed or why. You stuck with a vote on a player after he explained himself to you and kept it there because he disappeared (OMG only you can disappear and not comment much in the game. :rolleyes:)
By the way the above is me being a jerk, but I hate hypocrisy.
I didn't keep it there just because he disappeared. He was shouting from the rooftops "IM TOWN" from a little pressure.
I know you are being a jerk, its real helpful too.
Which post (link/quote them) did he shout "I'm Town"
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Huh, what? After you made that case, I made a response, and that's where I realized you and Lord_McD were one and the same, and (this is where the distancing comes in) I realized you and Annorax may be buddies and this was your way of throwing a buddy under the bus.
Your response was about Annorax? And your view is I made a big case with notes, as my first big post after a read through, that I was bussing?
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“This is not a tribunal! This is a joke. None of you have any idea who I am behind this mask. You’re making a terrible mistake,” Annorax shouted at the other villains. The Villains had been making accusations toward Annorax for the past hour. The debate had exhausted the group. Pete, sitting on his “throne”, had fallen in and out of sleep multiple times.
“Well then let’s see you take the mask off. You’re a traitor and you know it,” one of the villains hissed toward Annorax. Annorax had enough, he lifted the veil and revealed:
Jafar, Evil Sorcerer
Movie: Aladdin
He also unfurled his cape and revealed his cobra-adorned staff. The Villains backed away, knowing full well the powers this villain had in his arsenal. They began to circle around him, and Jafar looked confused as the crowd advanced. He began pleading again, but there was no more time for that. As his back was turned, a Villain advanced on him and tried to tackle to the floor. Jafar made a motion with his staff and the villain fell through him; Jafar had made it so he was without substance. The Villains looked at one another.
“Soemone grab ahold of his staff,” screamed Pete, who had been roused by the recent developments: “It’s the source of all his powers.” Another villain, heeding Pete’s words, made a play for the staff. Jafar merely hit in the ground and the staff became glowing hot. The Villain, in mid motion, grabbed ahold of the hot staff and burnt their hands on it. The villain quickly reeled back, hands burnt, and fell to their knees. The smell of burnt flesh rose to the Villains noses.
“Your time is up,” shouted Jafar. He had grabbed a smoke bomb from within his sleeve. As he was about to throw it on the ground, someone snagged the end of his cape and another Villain pushed him. Off balance, Jafar dropped the smoke bomb and fell to the floor. Another Villain, amidst the smoke was able to get his staff. Right before the smoke rose, he hit Jafar upside the head with his own staff. The hit connected and the crack of staff on skull made a hideous sound. He fell to the floor and the room began to build up with smoke. The Villains began hacking and coughing, unable to see one another in the clouded room.
A light began to emanate from where Jafar fell. The glowing light got stronger and stronger and eventually exploded as if someone had ignited a firework. The Villains reeled at the bright explosion and shut their eyes to protect them. When they were opened, the smoke had cleared from the room, and a body lay on the floor. The Villains looked at the pile of robes on the floor and bemoaned to themselves that they had made another mistake. Pete, exasperated, went down to pick the body up and dispose of it. But as he removed the robe covering Jafar’s head, the Villains let out a gasp. Entwined on the robes on the floor was no longer Jafar, it was…
Princess Jasmine
Mafia goon
Pete looked dumbstruck and the remaining Villains all turned to look at the body on the ground. A traitor had been caught. The Villains reeled that their eyes were playing tricks on them, hurt from the smoke and mirrors act Jafar…no, Jasmine…had put them through. After all the confusion and bickering, the Villains began laughing at the entire situation. The hellish ordeal had finally gained some traction. Without a word from Pete, the Villains retired to their quarters. Pete had another body to dispose of; but this time he did it with glee.
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Pete was paranoid about the goings on in the castle. But given the events of the last couple of days, his paranoia was probably warranted. He was the first up and came into the hall where so many had died in their quest to root out the traitors. One of his coping methods of the stress of it all was just to count. Just to count the number of heads there. Just to count how many potential allies were still alive; just to count the number of traitors that needed to be found. The Villains filed in. One…two…three… They began some small talk amongst each other; the small talk was nowhere near civil. Every action, every interaction between these people was to be scrutinized beyond belief. Four…five…six… Nobody trusted anyone, and in this line of business, that wasn’t necessarily a bad thing. Seven… Only seven people? Where were the rest? Pete kept looking at the two entrances in the hall. Back and forth and back and forth. He finally stood up and counted one last time. Seven hooded figures left. Where were the other two?
Pete, roused and a bit angry at this discovery, stood up and called the Villains to arms. They were to search every room together as a group. The first three rooms were empty. But the fourth room, they found TK-421 still lying down in his bed, his covers pulled over his head. Pete shook him once and tried to rouse him. His hand fell out of the covers and Pete instinctively grabbed it to lift him up. But it was cold. No warmth emanated from this person’s body. Pete quickly unfurled the covers, and there was TK-421’s true identity, face blue from apparent asphyxiation. The marks around the neck were all the evidence Pete needed that he had been choked to death. TK-421 was gone, he was…
Judge Claude Frollo, Megalomaniac
Movie: The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Town Doctor
Pete knew this Villain well. Due to his support and high prestige in the church, Frollo and himself often wined and dined while Frollo would recount the weeks events. Gypsy killings; sinners he had punished; and herbalists and clerics at his disposal to recover any wound or scratch that might befall himself or his troops. Pete turned around to look at the Villains. As he was about to address them, there was a scream.
The Villains quickly checked the other rooms searching from where the scream came from. Pete entered a room and tripped. He looked on and saw that he had triggered a snare that pulled away a chair that was under Pinky’s Brain’s feet. The only support was a noose that had been wrapped around the neck. As Pete looked up and realized what this booby trap had done, he heard the crack of her neck snapping. The Villains all came in and were shocked. Pete had picked himself up of the floor and made a beeline to help Pinky’s. But it was too late. Pete ripped the mask off of the hung body. Pinky’s Brain was…
Gaston, Proud Hunter
Movie: Beauty and the Beast
Town Tracker
Pete just sat there and hoped. He hoped that a beam of light would transform him as it had Jafar. He stood there for what seemed like hours. But no light emanated from Gaston. He was simply there. Simply dead. Simply removed from the machinations of the traitors. Gaston had been a proud hunter. Gaston could track even the wildest of beasts while hunting to add to his collection of taxidermy trophies. But, now he was hanging their lifeless. Whoever did this to one of the strongest Villains he knew must have been very powerful. Pete, furious, shouted “everyone back in the hall!”
As the remaining seven filed into the room. He stood up on the platform where his “throne” was and was about to deliver a fiery speech. But the Villains were already throwing accusations back and forth. The Villains were already doing what he was going to say they should do. Pete left them to their devices. He had two more bodies to dispose of.
It is now Day Three! With 7 alive, it’s 4 to lynch!
I'm fine with a MRHBlue lynch, though I want some serious information coming out today. Annorax's flip has left us with quite a bit of information w/interactions and such.
I want Nyxu and Cantrip to actually contribute today.
I want to get a read on MTG~DDS today.
I'm sorry for shooting TK-421. I /really/ thought he was scum.
That ain't something to claim when the doc is dead.
I don't hold the vig against you at all; I was convinced he was scum as well, and would have made the same shot. A note though; if you have another shot, only shoot if we lynch scum; a mislynch and a misvig will lose the game.
Looking at the list of who's left, I feel the worst about MRH, but I don't really feel good about anyone other than Incognito being town.
Annorax played with his heart on his sleeve so I bet we can get a lot of info from his lynch. If I feel like it sometime soon I'll go through and analyze him.
I take it from the lack of counter-claim, I can take this at face value. PB was a tracker, as we know from the flip. Doing a reread of PB to see if there is anything more to find. My notes on PB to this point were major interactions with TK and MRH...checking for more bread crumbs. Be careful with votes today, it only takes 4 to lynch today. I'll have more to post later today or tonight.
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If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
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A quick rundown of PB/LMCD who we now know was the town tracker. I did not follow all of the references to the posts linked or responded to, so if something doesn't look right, say so. I'll do a more in-depth look at this and more later.
323. Only 1 post by LMCD following first night. Little substance, just asks WG why he wasn't the NK. Can only expect WIFOM answer at best. Enter PB
342 - welcome statement
346 - first substance post. This post PB calls Annorax out as Scum, asks for reads and clarification from Incognito and Nyxu, and ruffles feathers (judging by their reactions) of MRH and TK.
355 - gives WG solid town read, but a slight pause due to meta analysis. Questions Incognito for more clarification or specifcs about Annorax/Trabant vote switch. Answer/reaction to TKs "over-reaction" to points brought up in post 346.
356 - quick post questioning TKs read, accused of busing.
360 - MRH (post 359) called WG scum due to post from Polski. PB questions read and if it was based solely on Polski's post.
363/364 - clarification of questions to Incognito and TK.
373 - gives read on scumteam of: TK/MRH/Annorax and asks for MRH's reads
388 - posts a null read on Nyxu. Also questions MRH if he felt Incognito was scummy for "forgetting about his vote". Asks for reads from Nyxu again.
390 - asks for reasoning behind WGs posted scumteam list
401 - Calls out TK for not explaining why he was claiming PB was being distracting. Several clarifications and a correction about post that PB attributed to MRH, but was actually Magenta. Calls out MRH for OMGUS vote with no further explanation, Bandwagoning, and dodging his questions. Asks MRH again for reads/why has he not provided them.
402 - questions and cases MRH
432 - apologizes to Nyxu for grammar and spelling. clarifies a post for DDS that I had misinterpreted. Calls Annorax scum.
433 - calls out TKs bad posts (hypocrisy) and questions them.
439 - answers MRH, cases, and pushes harder on MRH
448 - decides on Annorax vote
454 - again questions MRH's accusation about being distracting and mudslinging
455 - clarification on verbiage/spelling
461 - questions MRH's vote on Trabant, claims it was a quick vote switch without justification. Calls out a contradiction in a post by MRH. Calls for proof of the answer. Interaction with TK.
Real question here: I assume that whoever LMCD tracked, the info would be available to PB...is that a safe assumption? Unless someone tells me that it is not a safe assumption, I will operate with that understanding. That leads me to several options. LMCD tracked either Annorax or MRH night one being the main two options.
Option 1: LMCD tracked Annorax. That is why PB was absolutely sure about Annorax. The extra casing on MRH was due to the initial reaction PB's original post drew out, as well as responses thereafter to questioning.
Option 2: LMCD tracked MRH N1. Annorax had already made posts that were pretty damning. PB's case and final decision to vote Annorax seems solid without verification of tracking. That leaves the possibility that LMCD got info on MRH N1. Hence, the hard pressing and questioning from PB.
Option 3: LMCD saw nothing N1. The cases PB was making were completely stand alone. Annorax's line of bad posts and MRH's reactions to PB's posts.
As far as breadcrumbs from PB, that is what I am picking up. If someone has a different take on it, please chime in. I want to hear some more discussion today.
I am voting for pinky because I think hes playing scummy and no one else is really on it. He keeps coming back to answered questions and attacks anyone who posts anything about him.
As for voting with someone I call scum: People buss all the time, and votes do more than just get people lynched. I had a middle read on TK, but I was focused on other things. Others have made good points about him today, I am working on something else.
@MRH: what are your current reads? What are you working on?
Also, can you find anything that could redeem MRHBlue, TK-421, or Annorax as town? (Saying this because the statement "X could have done this as scum" is /always/ correct)
MRHBlue I'm very certain I could do so with, and probably with TK. Annorax I doubt I could.
But I'm more saying that the things they are doing make more sense from a scum alignment, not just digging them a grave because it could be construed as scummy. I've been thinking extensively about what their motivations for posting what they post are.
@WG: Can you find something redeeming for MRH as town?
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@WG: Can you find something redeeming for MRH as town?
I answered this question yesterDay, didn't I? I'm pretty sure that was this game.
Answer is still the same: Yeah, I could find evidence that points to him being town. It doesn't change the overall trend though.
What I quoted was your last statement on the topic before the lynch. I guess a better question would be "did you?". I am beginning this day with my strongest scum read as MRH. If you or anyone else have a good argument for why he is not scum, please share.
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Sid, Troubled Youth (from Toy Story), Vanilla Town.
Sorry for the lack of activity. Our car bought it on Friday, and we spent the entire weekend in one of my least favorite activities ever: car shopping. On the plus side, came away with a nice Prius, which is currently averaging 55 mpg (woooooo!).
I believe that ends the massclaim, but I'm a little confused as to what Wheat was attempting to accomplish with the whole "Three town power roles are confirmed/exposed, everyone should claim (vanilla)." Wheat, what were you trying to accomplish?
I have done my reread. There were a few posts where I saw a similarity in WG and Annorax insofar as certainty but I'm not finding it anymore. There were posts I missed and the context has changed on others..
My initial reaction to the claims is that cantrip offered more information than anyone else, more than necessary even. Why pad the claim?
@WG: Can you find something redeeming for MRH as town?
I answered this question yesterDay, didn't I? I'm pretty sure that was this game.
Answer is still the same: Yeah, I could find evidence that points to him being town. It doesn't change the overall trend though.
What I quoted was your last statement on the topic before the lynch. I guess a better question would be "did you?". I am beginning this day with my strongest scum read as MRH. If you or anyone else have a good argument for why he is not scum, please share.
Decided to do some legwork instead of relying on others to do it. I color coded it to how town/scum I interpreted the posts.
325 - (MRH) Vote on WG because his defense of a WIFOM accusation was WIFOM…imagine that. I was interested in WG's defense at the time too, though.
337 - (Swishh) Annorax and WG were his scum reads. He later switched to TK and Annorax. @ Swishh: What is read currently on WG? I think you actually posted your rainbow while I was writing this post...
359 - (MRH) Now that I am reading this post correctly, I can accept MRH's first answer as a valid answer.
@MRHpost 111 I don’t like this post. Empty noise with no pressure or questions.
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
He makes an accusation about half the people in the game then votes for someone due to not posting. Its a non-focused vote to not get called out for not voting while slinging at half the game.
PB cased Annorax and placed a vote. I don't see an empty vote there. What you referred to as "making accusations about half the people in the game" was calling out odditities in other players posts. I saw no actual accusations of other players there other than you an Annorax, only commentary on posts of interest to her.
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
MRH post 313 this reads as a smear based on night kill to me.
Post 321 from MRH is more pushing of WIFOM of the night kill against WG.
MRH: Do you know that scum kill people to create WIFOM?
What I do see is 2 unanswered questions. One appears rhetorical though.
It was clarified that MRH's post actually was answering the question, whereas I took it as MRH being defensive about PB's post 111 comment I.E. "empty noise, no pressure"
The second part of his response is either very right, or very wrong. Null read on this post for me.
367 - (MRH) Read on WG. States that he had a null read on WG until he buddies Polski and expects to be the NK. He then seems upset with WG's reaction to Polski's NK. @MRH: How should he have reacted? I'm not saying he was right or wrong in his reaction…but what town reaction would you be expecting? Do you still think it was a scum reaction?
387 - (MRH) first part was ok. Incognito hadn't cased much about them at that point. Second part seems a bit off. Maybe I'm just tunneling on his wording though. These questions can definitely come from a town mindset.
388 - (PB) Asks MRH if he thought Incognito was busing. Was asking for a read, was not an accusatory statement.
392 - (Incognito) gives quick reasons behind the scum reads that 387 was in reaction to.
397 - (MRH) I can actually see where his defensiveness comes from. A post, that PB later confirms was incorrectly applied to MRH, was a big point that two people were calling him out for. I also can see that MRH (if town) could see PB as doing it purposefully, and could definitely construe it as a scum move.
401 - (PB) This is the post that PB admits that she misrepresented MRH as "bemoaning iRebel." Also reiterates that MRH dodged or ignored questions. Not answering questions was and is one of the major things pinging my radar.
434 - (MRH) says he is not dodging questions…but still doesn't answer them.
Refers back to post 268,
2. If I were scum, why on EARTH would I use my first big post to call someone out? From a scum mentality, wouldn't I want to take a lower key approach at first? Settle back and slowly work my way into the fold? Doing so would keep my profile lower. Lower profile works better, imo, for lowering scum suspicion than jumping right in like I did.
No, it would not. You read that you were being read scum, and had to throw a hay-maker to get back into the game as a town read.
says that is where he called Trabant/iRebel scum. He actually didn't he just gives an explanation of where he says iRebel entered the game feeling that he was being read as scum. Not really the same thing.
Second: says he feels Annorax to be scum but doesn't add anything. States that other people were already casing him. Lazy town at best.
Third: FoS then a vote on LMCD. Claims it was gone over, but I didn't find an extremely adequate reasoning. MRH may have had solid reasoning, I just didn't find it. If it was, I didn't find it on the reread. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong and link it please.
439 - (PB) at the end of the post. I agreed with PB that previous posts were not distracting. I can definitely see how being misquoted could tunnel someone, but other than that, I saw no distracting qualities.
444 - (MRH) "You asked where I said he was scum, I posted the reference. What do you mean I didn't agree with it, I posted it." MRH seemed to have gotten on tilt from someone misquoting him earlier, but then misquoted himself. MRH quote: "No, it would not. You read that you were being read scum, and had to throw a hay-maker to get back into the game as a town read." MRH never stated that he felt iRebel was scum. Simply shoots a potential hole in his defense, but never actually calls him scum.
Last part: PB keeps asking the same questions, because you never answered. I only see the link back to the post that you are misquoting.
453 - (MRH) Only content from Magenta and Cantrip was "lurky." I have similar read on Magenta/Cantrip currently. I want some content or input from Cantrip yesterday.
Voting PB because PB is playing scummy. Can't really tell if this is townie on tilt or scum attack.
Addressed 3rd portion already in previous post 477.
Question directed at Incognito. Just for appearance? Incognito's posts prior indicate that he felt strongly about both Annorax and TK…and seemingly independent of each other. Could be a legitimate question, but it seems weird. 454 - (PB) Called out MRH. Asks for prove of what he accused PB of. Gives good reason for why her arguments were not distractions but legitimate casings and poses questions. Currently, this question is still unanswered.
Wrapping this up. I previously asked WG if he could find anything to redeem MRH as town. I still have scum read on him, but I can definitely see how PB put him on tilt (of course both town and scum can be put on tilt). I'll be doing some more analysis to see what I can turn up. Would love to hear input on analysis so far. Let me know if anything was taken out of context here.
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I am voting for pinky because I think, hes playing scummy and no one else is really on it. He keeps coming back to answered questions and attacks anyone who posts anything about him.
As for voting with someone I call scum: People buss all the time, and votes do more than just get people lynched. I had a middle read on TK, but I was focused on other things. Others have made good points about him today, I am working on something else.
@MRH: what are your current reads? What are you working on?
I was working on p_b, sorry I thought that was clear. Obviously I was wrong, but as you noted below, I was being attacked with a misquote. It looked like a pattern p_b was developing, so I tried to put some pressure on him to see if he was scum.
325 - (MRH) Vote on WG because his defense of a WIFOM accusation was WIFOM…imagine that. I was interested in WG's defense at the time too, though.
359 - (MRH) Now that I am reading this post correctly, I can accept MRH's first answer as a valid answer. [SPOILER]
@MRHpost 111 I don’t like this post. Empty noise with no pressure or questions.
MRH post 162 how was sixed post fence sitting?
He makes an accusation about half the people in the game then votes for someone due to not posting. Its a non-focused vote to not get called out for not voting while slinging at half the game.
It was clarified that MRH's post actually was answering the question, whereas I took it as MRH being defensive about PB's post 111 comment I.E. "empty noise, no pressure"The second part of his response is either very right, or very wrong. Null read on this post for me.
367 - (MRH) Read on WG. States that he had a null read on WG until he buddies Polski and expects to be the NK. He then seems upset with WG's reaction to Polski's NK. @MRH: How should he have reacted? I'm not saying he was right or wrong in his reaction…but what town reaction would you be expecting? Do you still think it was a scum reaction?
397 - (MRH) I can actually see where his defensiveness comes from. A post, that PB later confirms was incorrectly applied to MRH, was a big point that two people were calling him out for. I also can see that MRH (if town) could see PB as doing it purposefully, and could definitely construe it as a scum move.
401 - (PB) This is the post that PB admits that she misrepresented MRH as "bemoaning iRebel." Also reiterates that MRH dodged or ignored questions. Not answering questions was and is one of the major things pinging my radar.
434 - (MRH) says he is not dodging questions…but still doesn't answer them.
Wrapping this up. I previously asked WG if he could find anything to redeem MRH as town. I still have scum read on him, but I can definitely see how PB put him on tilt (of course both town and scum can be put on tilt). I'll be doing some more analysis to see what I can turn up. Would love to hear input on analysis so far. Let me know if anything was taken out of context here.
I do think it was scummy not to answer it. I would expect a town person to explain why he seemed to buddy, got caught by Polski and just seemed to wait for him to go away. If Polski was our leader and he warns of exactly what happens, and someone hand waves it as WIFOM, I get suspicious.
The 'questions' I was called out for not answering was a T/S list, and ?.
TOWN
MTG~DDS
Swishh
Incognito
Nyxu
Wheat_Grinder
Cantripmancer
SCUM
I dont have a huge read on anyone, TK(wrong), p_b(wrong), and Annorax(right) were my strong scum reads before so now I am left with:
My initial reaction to the claims is that cantrip offered more information than anyone else, more than necessary even. Why pad the claim?
I clarified the source material because I wouldn't have known who Sid was without being told. Ursula? Scar? Captain Hook? Very familiar. Who's Sid?
This is then most significant post from the Magenta/Cantripmancer team in days. I know they both have/had RL stuff, but it just reeks of lurking in plain sight.
If people are sick of reading about stuff just stop taking part. You have 100% control over what you read. Simic Ascendancy isn't going to get banned just because you didn't tell someone to shut up on the internet.
I am Ursula, Cephalopod Sorceress, Town Vigilante.
Again, since there wasn't another Town PR or CC on TK's kill, I am accepting this as fact. Occam's supports it. Seems highly unlikely for basic to have a Scum - Tough Guy...right? That does, however, leave scum with at least 1 PR, right?
@Swishh: You have Nyxu in the middle/top of your rainbow...does that mean null read, or is he leaning town for you? Also, you have a more town read on Incognito than yourself? (Last part was joking.)
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@Swishh: You have Nyxu in the middle/top of your rainbow...does that mean null read, or is he leaning town for you? Also, you have a more town read on Incognito than yourself? (Last part was joking.)
I was wondering if anyone would point that out. Call it copy/paste laziness.
Green is pretty much null. In particular I have no interest in lynching you today.
My initial reaction to the claims is that cantrip offered more information than anyone else, more than necessary even. Why pad the claim?
I clarified the source material because I wouldn't have known who Sid was without being told. Ursula? Scar? Captain Hook? Very familiar. Who's Sid?
This is then most significant post from the Magenta/Cantripmancer team in days. I know they both have/had RL stuff, but it just reeks of lurking in plain sight.
Your terminology is a bit off. I might be lurking in plain sight if I had been posting, but I haven't, so if you're accusing me of being scummy because of my lack of contributions, call me lurking scum.
FWIW, I'd suggest taking a look at my other current game (Survival Horror), where I've likewise been able to post only a little. However, for the first time in what seems like forever, I have time on my hands, so...
First off, a really bad confession:
I haven't read the whole thread yet.
82: Swish gives rainbow reads, says he'll "gladly explain" reasons to whomever asks.
Wheat pressures him for them. 93: Swish uses "honestly". Scumtell. 98: After more pressure from Wheat, Swish says he'll give reads "later today". What happened to "gladly explain"? 101: Gives reads, "retracts" read on Annorax despite it only being less than 24 hours since original rainbow post and Annorax not posting in-between. 105: "Something about your post feels off." These words are just to disguise the naked vote. 108: Annorax goes after two townies. Also displays the "thinking too hard about crafting my post" slip (double explanation of "scummy as hell, but not willing to vote yet"). 110: Mild attack by Swish on Annorax.
111: MRH stronger attack on Annorax.
112: Incog strongest attack on Annorax.
113: Swish doesn't want to commit to Annorax.
123: If Swish comes up scum, Sixed looks pretty bad.
138: Possible anger from Annorax at being bussed by Swish?
144: MTG distracts from sudden Annorax wagon by pushing on to Trabant?
154: Wheat pulls Annorax away from L-2 before Annorax can even post to go after Trabant???
159: Annorax posts but says nothing about (just) being at L-2.
175: Swish wonders why Annorax even claimed. Didn't read the VC where Annorax was at L-2, or...?
190: Wheat muddies the waters on Annorax.
192: Swish agrees with Annorax and moves Annorax back down to L-3.
208: Wheat mangles iRebel before he can even catch up.
211: Wheat keeps going on iRebel, even after iRebel's obvious legwork (not that legwork can't be done by scum).
248: Annorax is down with lynching iRebel or MTG.
262:
You know I actually kinda feel like either DDS and iRebel are both town or both scum after both having posted the same idea.
In light of that, what do you think of Annorax wanting to lynch both?
Annorax is probably town then, unless one of them flips town.
The above is an extremely convoluted textbook case of fencesitting.
295: Wheat gives "final" thoughts. Hmm...
354: Swish backs Annorax off of L-2 to answer question.
412: Wheat is willing to move vote off Annorax to TK.
Hmm, I started off thinking either Swish or MRH (or both) were scum because of the speed of this wagon:
Did a quick reread and saw an interesting tidbit. Dds wants me to post but used an incognito quote rather than just saying it.
Why? Why use incognito (town) to add weight to your comment?
You mean post 422 before Incognito revealed his role? Not 477, where I only quoted you and asked you a question...or 492 where I didn't even quote, just asked you (and Cantrip) to post more? Both of those were after he revealed his role. Do you think /barning someone's thought about asking for more input from a very unspoken person is bad?
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Ok, caught up. The T/S list above is still pretty much my position. Wheat seemed to make it a habit to prevent Annorax from claiming or being lynched. Swishh also subtly pushed away from Annorax. On the flip side, I'm 95% certain that MTG is town, and unless we're staring down a somewhat unusual basic setup (like: Doc-Tracker-7x Vanilla vs. Goon-Goon-Tough Guy), Incognito's town.
I'm not getting anything from Annorax's posts. Pretty much all the players he attacked or ID'd as scum have come up town, and he didn't do much in the way of buddying.
I was reading over my previous post, and my apologies if anything doesn't make sense. I was late picking my son up from daycare, and I didn't have time to preview the way I normally like to. If you need me to clarify any of my thoughts, please ask.
EWP: Um, Nyxu...I have to echo MTG's confusion. That feels like a really...odd read for you to have.
422. I find it peculiar that you specifically quoted Incognito, someone generally seen as town, to add weight to your post.
I was barning a thought that someone else had already stated. I would have used the same quote even if Annorax had posted it. You weren't giving much input at that time. Post here:
@Nyxu: how do you feel about the current wagons? Are you ok comfortable with either of them?
That was the barned statement and follow up questions about your reads. I'm still not really sure what you are getting at with me trying to "add weight to my post." There was no accusation there to try to add weight to.
You gave a follow up answer in 425. Your reads on TK, Annorax, and Incognito (I'm still accepting his at face value) were accurate. You stated you were taking WG's comment as a wash. I asked you answered. That was why I posted.
Wg and annorax are both stupid levels of sure. I'm not nearly as loud and angry as I was in vanilla mafia two but ill take wgs comment as a wash. I have cause enough to believe that annorax is scum based off of his case and reaction to it (and that absurd tk vote ) that once I double check the vote count I'll likely vote him
As for tk I just don't get a scum vibe off of him.
The attacks on incognito must be something I missed because they feel sudden and off kilter.
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He's one of the few living players that Annorax actively went after. See 223 (2nd vote on MTG's wagon), 248, 259. All of the above were made from a relatively unthreatened standpoint. Annorax reverses his stance once he comes under attack D2.
Of course, there are a few posts like 441, where DDS leans toward lynching TK over Annorax, but all in all, I feel like his posts are good, open, and town. Especially the recent legwork he's done looking into Pinky's Brain/LMcD's posts and MRH. Again, town aren't the only ones who do legwork, but I agreed with a lot of what DDS posted.
I've been away a bit lately, so I reviewed the game and made some notes.
Having reread everything, I retract this statement. I think I was on tilt for Sixed's scum reads on me, but Nyxu has had good, townie posts.
I feel like we already know this.
This is the infamous wifom feces-that-hit-the-fan. The major question, which may not be answerable, is this: Would W_G risk killing Polski and thereby allowing this aforementioned wifom feces-fit? I'm new to playing mafia on MTGS and don't know much about W_G. But then several strange things happen:
W_G voluntarily brings this up. I asked him about it, but he says he and Polski were "leaders" day 1, so of course one would die. In hindsight, I strongly disagree with this. Either Polski was killed to frame W_G, or W_G was afraid of Polski building a stronger case against him and risked the wifom-kill to avoid it.
I remain convinced that TK and Annorax are both scum. I have strong town reads on Incognito and Nyxu, so finding the third shouldn't be too difficult.
Annorax (3): Wheat_Grinder; pinkys_brain; Incognito
pinky's_brain (2): TK-421; MRHblue
TK-421 (2): swishh; Annorax
Not Voting: Cantripmancer; MTG~DDS; Nyxu
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch!
Vote annorax
Now to clothe it: annorax has displayed consistent poor behaviour and his die scum die comment has me convinced enough that the reads an cases are sound.
I do however want to look into wg regardless of flips because he showed similar certainty signs of certainty that just don't sit well with me.
Before iRebel replaced you had a town read on the person. Not everyone thought he was scum either. I'm asking you how you believe that iRebel was panicing.
Somehow the contradiction in this statement gets a pass.
Not a lot of people voting him
Pushing for a quick lynch.
How is it possible to push for a quick lynch when a lot of people are not voting him?
I have to say you throwing crap out there is not getting unnoticed by me at all.
Which post (link/quote them) did he shout "I'm Town"
Your response was about Annorax? And your view is I made a big case with notes, as my first big post after a read through, that I was bussing?
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This should be L-1.
Vote Annorax
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Annorax (6): Wheat_Grinder; pinkys_brain; Incognito; Nyxu; swishh; Annorax
pinky's_brain (2): TK-421; MRHblue
Not Voting: Cantripmancer; MTG~DDS
That's a lynch!
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“This is not a tribunal! This is a joke. None of you have any idea who I am behind this mask. You’re making a terrible mistake,” Annorax shouted at the other villains. The Villains had been making accusations toward Annorax for the past hour. The debate had exhausted the group. Pete, sitting on his “throne”, had fallen in and out of sleep multiple times.
“Well then let’s see you take the mask off. You’re a traitor and you know it,” one of the villains hissed toward Annorax. Annorax had enough, he lifted the veil and revealed:
He also unfurled his cape and revealed his cobra-adorned staff. The Villains backed away, knowing full well the powers this villain had in his arsenal. They began to circle around him, and Jafar looked confused as the crowd advanced. He began pleading again, but there was no more time for that. As his back was turned, a Villain advanced on him and tried to tackle to the floor. Jafar made a motion with his staff and the villain fell through him; Jafar had made it so he was without substance. The Villains looked at one another.
“Soemone grab ahold of his staff,” screamed Pete, who had been roused by the recent developments: “It’s the source of all his powers.” Another villain, heeding Pete’s words, made a play for the staff. Jafar merely hit in the ground and the staff became glowing hot. The Villain, in mid motion, grabbed ahold of the hot staff and burnt their hands on it. The villain quickly reeled back, hands burnt, and fell to their knees. The smell of burnt flesh rose to the Villains noses.
“Your time is up,” shouted Jafar. He had grabbed a smoke bomb from within his sleeve. As he was about to throw it on the ground, someone snagged the end of his cape and another Villain pushed him. Off balance, Jafar dropped the smoke bomb and fell to the floor. Another Villain, amidst the smoke was able to get his staff. Right before the smoke rose, he hit Jafar upside the head with his own staff. The hit connected and the crack of staff on skull made a hideous sound. He fell to the floor and the room began to build up with smoke. The Villains began hacking and coughing, unable to see one another in the clouded room.
A light began to emanate from where Jafar fell. The glowing light got stronger and stronger and eventually exploded as if someone had ignited a firework. The Villains reeled at the bright explosion and shut their eyes to protect them. When they were opened, the smoke had cleared from the room, and a body lay on the floor. The Villains looked at the pile of robes on the floor and bemoaned to themselves that they had made another mistake. Pete, exasperated, went down to pick the body up and dispose of it. But as he removed the robe covering Jafar’s head, the Villains let out a gasp. Entwined on the robes on the floor was no longer Jafar, it was…
Pete looked dumbstruck and the remaining Villains all turned to look at the body on the ground. A traitor had been caught. The Villains reeled that their eyes were playing tricks on them, hurt from the smoke and mirrors act Jafar…no, Jasmine…had put them through. After all the confusion and bickering, the Villains began laughing at the entire situation. The hellish ordeal had finally gained some traction. Without a word from Pete, the Villains retired to their quarters. Pete had another body to dispose of; but this time he did it with glee.
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Pete, roused and a bit angry at this discovery, stood up and called the Villains to arms. They were to search every room together as a group. The first three rooms were empty. But the fourth room, they found TK-421 still lying down in his bed, his covers pulled over his head. Pete shook him once and tried to rouse him. His hand fell out of the covers and Pete instinctively grabbed it to lift him up. But it was cold. No warmth emanated from this person’s body. Pete quickly unfurled the covers, and there was TK-421’s true identity, face blue from apparent asphyxiation. The marks around the neck were all the evidence Pete needed that he had been choked to death. TK-421 was gone, he was…
Pete knew this Villain well. Due to his support and high prestige in the church, Frollo and himself often wined and dined while Frollo would recount the weeks events. Gypsy killings; sinners he had punished; and herbalists and clerics at his disposal to recover any wound or scratch that might befall himself or his troops. Pete turned around to look at the Villains. As he was about to address them, there was a scream.
The Villains quickly checked the other rooms searching from where the scream came from. Pete entered a room and tripped. He looked on and saw that he had triggered a snare that pulled away a chair that was under Pinky’s Brain’s feet. The only support was a noose that had been wrapped around the neck. As Pete looked up and realized what this booby trap had done, he heard the crack of her neck snapping. The Villains all came in and were shocked. Pete had picked himself up of the floor and made a beeline to help Pinky’s. But it was too late. Pete ripped the mask off of the hung body. Pinky’s Brain was…
Pete just sat there and hoped. He hoped that a beam of light would transform him as it had Jafar. He stood there for what seemed like hours. But no light emanated from Gaston. He was simply there. Simply dead. Simply removed from the machinations of the traitors. Gaston had been a proud hunter. Gaston could track even the wildest of beasts while hunting to add to his collection of taxidermy trophies. But, now he was hanging their lifeless. Whoever did this to one of the strongest Villains he knew must have been very powerful. Pete, furious, shouted “everyone back in the hall!”
As the remaining seven filed into the room. He stood up on the platform where his “throne” was and was about to deliver a fiery speech. But the Villains were already throwing accusations back and forth. The Villains were already doing what he was going to say they should do. Pete left them to their devices. He had two more bodies to dispose of.
It is now Day Three! With 7 alive, it’s 4 to lynch!
No, seriously. ****.
I shot TK.
Wheat_Grinder
Swishh
MTG~DDS
Cantripmancer
Nyxu
MRHBlue
I'm fine with a MRHBlue lynch, though I want some serious information coming out today. Annorax's flip has left us with quite a bit of information w/interactions and such.
I want Nyxu and Cantrip to actually contribute today.
I want to get a read on MTG~DDS today.
I'm sorry for shooting TK-421. I /really/ thought he was scum.
That ain't something to claim when the doc is dead.
I don't hold the vig against you at all; I was convinced he was scum as well, and would have made the same shot. A note though; if you have another shot, only shoot if we lynch scum; a mislynch and a misvig will lose the game.
Looking at the list of who's left, I feel the worst about MRH, but I don't really feel good about anyone other than Incognito being town.
Annorax played with his heart on his sleeve so I bet we can get a lot of info from his lynch. If I feel like it sometime soon I'll go through and analyze him.
Also, time to massclaim now that 3 PRs are out.
I am Maleficent, VT.
I take it from the lack of counter-claim, I can take this at face value. PB was a tracker, as we know from the flip. Doing a reread of PB to see if there is anything more to find. My notes on PB to this point were major interactions with TK and MRH...checking for more bread crumbs. Be careful with votes today, it only takes 4 to lynch today. I'll have more to post later today or tonight.
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Role and rolename (like what I posted) is sufficient due to the lack of role flavor.
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/popcorn Nyxu
Popcorn dds
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Actually don't..
Move on to Swishh
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323. Only 1 post by LMCD following first night. Little substance, just asks WG why he wasn't the NK. Can only expect WIFOM answer at best.
Enter PB
342 - welcome statement
346 - first substance post. This post PB calls Annorax out as Scum, asks for reads and clarification from Incognito and Nyxu, and ruffles feathers (judging by their reactions) of MRH and TK.
355 - gives WG solid town read, but a slight pause due to meta analysis. Questions Incognito for more clarification or specifcs about Annorax/Trabant vote switch. Answer/reaction to TKs "over-reaction" to points brought up in post 346.
356 - quick post questioning TKs read, accused of busing.
360 - MRH (post 359) called WG scum due to post from Polski. PB questions read and if it was based solely on Polski's post.
363/364 - clarification of questions to Incognito and TK.
373 - gives read on scumteam of: TK/MRH/Annorax and asks for MRH's reads
388 - posts a null read on Nyxu. Also questions MRH if he felt Incognito was scummy for "forgetting about his vote". Asks for reads from Nyxu again.
390 - asks for reasoning behind WGs posted scumteam list
401 - Calls out TK for not explaining why he was claiming PB was being distracting. Several clarifications and a correction about post that PB attributed to MRH, but was actually Magenta. Calls out MRH for OMGUS vote with no further explanation, Bandwagoning, and dodging his questions. Asks MRH again for reads/why has he not provided them.
402 - questions and cases MRH
432 - apologizes to Nyxu for grammar and spelling. clarifies a post for DDS that I had misinterpreted. Calls Annorax scum.
433 - calls out TKs bad posts (hypocrisy) and questions them.
439 - answers MRH, cases, and pushes harder on MRH
448 - decides on Annorax vote
454 - again questions MRH's accusation about being distracting and mudslinging
455 - clarification on verbiage/spelling
461 - questions MRH's vote on Trabant, claims it was a quick vote switch without justification. Calls out a contradiction in a post by MRH. Calls for proof of the answer. Interaction with TK.
Real question here: I assume that whoever LMCD tracked, the info would be available to PB...is that a safe assumption? Unless someone tells me that it is not a safe assumption, I will operate with that understanding. That leads me to several options. LMCD tracked either Annorax or MRH night one being the main two options.
Option 1: LMCD tracked Annorax. That is why PB was absolutely sure about Annorax. The extra casing on MRH was due to the initial reaction PB's original post drew out, as well as responses thereafter to questioning.
Option 2: LMCD tracked MRH N1. Annorax had already made posts that were pretty damning. PB's case and final decision to vote Annorax seems solid without verification of tracking. That leaves the possibility that LMCD got info on MRH N1. Hence, the hard pressing and questioning from PB.
Option 3: LMCD saw nothing N1. The cases PB was making were completely stand alone. Annorax's line of bad posts and MRH's reactions to PB's posts.
As far as breadcrumbs from PB, that is what I am picking up. If someone has a different take on it, please chime in. I want to hear some more discussion today.
@Nyxu: Do you have more input on this?
@MRH: what are your current reads? What are you working on?
@WG: Can you find something redeeming for MRH as town?
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I answered this question yesterDay, didn't I? I'm pretty sure that was this game.
Answer is still the same: Yeah, I could find evidence that points to him being town. It doesn't change the overall trend though.
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What I quoted was your last statement on the topic before the lynch. I guess a better question would be "did you?". I am beginning this day with my strongest scum read as MRH. If you or anyone else have a good argument for why he is not scum, please share.
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I believe that ends the massclaim, but I'm a little confused as to what Wheat was attempting to accomplish with the whole "Three town power roles are confirmed/exposed, everyone should claim (vanilla)." Wheat, what were you trying to accomplish?
There's enough new players that I was hoping to catch a PR fakeclaim.
Incognito
Swishh
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Wheat_Grinder
MTG~DDS
Cantripmancer
MRHblue
Incognito, you should full claim though.
I am Ursula, Cephalopod Sorceress, Town Vigilante.
My initial reaction to the claims is that cantrip offered more information than anyone else, more than necessary even. Why pad the claim?
325 - (MRH) Vote on WG because his defense of a WIFOM accusation was WIFOM…imagine that. I was interested in WG's defense at the time too, though.
337 - (Swishh) Annorax and WG were his scum reads. He later switched to TK and Annorax. @ Swishh: What is read currently on WG? I think you actually posted your rainbow while I was writing this post...
359 - (MRH) Now that I am reading this post correctly, I can accept MRH's first answer as a valid answer.
It was clarified that MRH's post actually was answering the question, whereas I took it as MRH being defensive about PB's post 111 comment I.E. "empty noise, no pressure"
367 - (MRH) Read on WG. States that he had a null read on WG until he buddies Polski and expects to be the NK. He then seems upset with WG's reaction to Polski's NK. @MRH: How should he have reacted? I'm not saying he was right or wrong in his reaction…but what town reaction would you be expecting? Do you still think it was a scum reaction?
387 - (MRH) first part was ok. Incognito hadn't cased much about them at that point. Second part seems a bit off. Maybe I'm just tunneling on his wording though. These questions can definitely come from a town mindset.
388 - (PB) Asks MRH if he thought Incognito was busing. Was asking for a read, was not an accusatory statement.
392 - (Incognito) gives quick reasons behind the scum reads that 387 was in reaction to.
397 - (MRH) I can actually see where his defensiveness comes from. A post, that PB later confirms was incorrectly applied to MRH, was a big point that two people were calling him out for. I also can see that MRH (if town) could see PB as doing it purposefully, and could definitely construe it as a scum move.
401 - (PB) This is the post that PB admits that she misrepresented MRH as "bemoaning iRebel." Also reiterates that MRH dodged or ignored questions. Not answering questions was and is one of the major things pinging my radar.
434 - (MRH) says he is not dodging questions…but still doesn't answer them.
Refers back to post 268,
Second: says he feels Annorax to be scum but doesn't add anything. States that other people were already casing him. Lazy town at best.
Third: FoS then a vote on LMCD. Claims it was gone over, but I didn't find an extremely adequate reasoning. MRH may have had solid reasoning, I just didn't find it. If it was, I didn't find it on the reread. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong and link it please.
439 - (PB) at the end of the post. I agreed with PB that previous posts were not distracting. I can definitely see how being misquoted could tunnel someone, but other than that, I saw no distracting qualities.
444 - (MRH) "You asked where I said he was scum, I posted the reference. What do you mean I didn't agree with it, I posted it." MRH seemed to have gotten on tilt from someone misquoting him earlier, but then misquoted himself. MRH quote: "No, it would not. You read that you were being read scum, and had to throw a hay-maker to get back into the game as a town read." MRH never stated that he felt iRebel was scum. Simply shoots a potential hole in his defense, but never actually calls him scum.
Last part: PB keeps asking the same questions, because you never answered. I only see the link back to the post that you are misquoting.
453 - (MRH) Only content from Magenta and Cantrip was "lurky." I have similar read on Magenta/Cantrip currently. I want some content or input from Cantrip yesterday.
Voting PB because PB is playing scummy. Can't really tell if this is townie on tilt or scum attack.
Addressed 3rd portion already in previous post 477.
Question directed at Incognito. Just for appearance? Incognito's posts prior indicate that he felt strongly about both Annorax and TK…and seemingly independent of each other. Could be a legitimate question, but it seems weird. 454 - (PB) Called out MRH. Asks for prove of what he accused PB of. Gives good reason for why her arguments were not distractions but legitimate casings and poses questions. Currently, this question is still unanswered.
Wrapping this up. I previously asked WG if he could find anything to redeem MRH as town. I still have scum read on him, but I can definitely see how PB put him on tilt (of course both town and scum can be put on tilt). I'll be doing some more analysis to see what I can turn up. Would love to hear input on analysis so far. Let me know if anything was taken out of context here.
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I clarified the source material because I wouldn't have known who Sid was without being told. Ursula? Scar? Captain Hook? Very familiar. Who's Sid?
My opinion of DDS has increased after his last post.
I do think it was scummy not to answer it. I would expect a town person to explain why he seemed to buddy, got caught by Polski and just seemed to wait for him to go away. If Polski was our leader and he warns of exactly what happens, and someone hand waves it as WIFOM, I get suspicious.
The 'questions' I was called out for not answering was a T/S list, and ?.
TOWN
MTG~DDS
Swishh
Incognito
Nyxu
Wheat_Grinder
Cantripmancer
SCUM
I dont have a huge read on anyone, TK(wrong), p_b(wrong), and Annorax(right) were my strong scum reads before so now I am left with:
This is then most significant post from the Magenta/Cantripmancer team in days. I know they both have/had RL stuff, but it just reeks of lurking in plain sight.
Before you V/LA, what are your current reads?
Again, since there wasn't another Town PR or CC on TK's kill, I am accepting this as fact. Occam's supports it. Seems highly unlikely for basic to have a Scum - Tough Guy...right? That does, however, leave scum with at least 1 PR, right?
@Swishh: You have Nyxu in the middle/top of your rainbow...does that mean null read, or is he leaning town for you? Also, you have a more town read on Incognito than yourself? (Last part was joking.)
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The other three are more or less a wash.
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I was wondering if anyone would point that out. Call it copy/paste laziness.
Green is pretty much null. In particular I have no interest in lynching you today.
What? Have you seen Toy Story?
Why? Why use incognito (town) to add weight to your comment?
Your terminology is a bit off. I might be lurking in plain sight if I had been posting, but I haven't, so if you're accusing me of being scummy because of my lack of contributions, call me lurking scum.
FWIW, I'd suggest taking a look at my other current game (Survival Horror), where I've likewise been able to post only a little. However, for the first time in what seems like forever, I have time on my hands, so...
First off, a really bad confession:
Wheat pressures him for them.
93: Swish uses "honestly". Scumtell.
98: After more pressure from Wheat, Swish says he'll give reads "later today". What happened to "gladly explain"?
101: Gives reads, "retracts" read on Annorax despite it only being less than 24 hours since original rainbow post and Annorax not posting in-between.
105: "Something about your post feels off." These words are just to disguise the naked vote.
108: Annorax goes after two townies. Also displays the "thinking too hard about crafting my post" slip (double explanation of "scummy as hell, but not willing to vote yet").
110: Mild attack by Swish on Annorax.
111: MRH stronger attack on Annorax.
112: Incog strongest attack on Annorax.
113: Swish doesn't want to commit to Annorax.
123: If Swish comes up scum, Sixed looks pretty bad.
138: Possible anger from Annorax at being bussed by Swish?
144: MTG distracts from sudden Annorax wagon by pushing on to Trabant?
154: Wheat pulls Annorax away from L-2 before Annorax can even post to go after Trabant???
159: Annorax posts but says nothing about (just) being at L-2.
175: Swish wonders why Annorax even claimed. Didn't read the VC where Annorax was at L-2, or...?
190: Wheat muddies the waters on Annorax.
192: Swish agrees with Annorax and moves Annorax back down to L-3.
208: Wheat mangles iRebel before he can even catch up.
211: Wheat keeps going on iRebel, even after iRebel's obvious legwork (not that legwork can't be done by scum).
248: Annorax is down with lynching iRebel or MTG.
262:
The above is an extremely convoluted textbook case of fencesitting.
295: Wheat gives "final" thoughts. Hmm...
354: Swish backs Annorax off of L-2 to answer question.
412: Wheat is willing to move vote off Annorax to TK.
Hmm, I started off thinking either Swish or MRH (or both) were scum because of the speed of this wagon:
But now I'm actually leaning toward Wheat. I'm almost to where Annorax gets lynched, and I'll continue at my next opportunity. Until then, no vote.
Sorry that the post-links stopped partway through. I realized I didn't need to link to every single one, and then I started running out of time.
Current reads:
Town
Incognito
MTG~DDS
Nyxu
MRHblue
Swishh
Wheat_Grinder
Scum
Yeah, but it's been awhile. And yeah, seriously, if you had posted:
I'm Sid, Vanilla Town.
I'd have had no idea who you meant.
You mean post 422 before Incognito revealed his role? Not 477, where I only quoted you and asked you a question...or 492 where I didn't even quote, just asked you (and Cantrip) to post more? Both of those were after he revealed his role. Do you think /barning someone's thought about asking for more input from a very unspoken person is bad?
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I'm not getting anything from Annorax's posts. Pretty much all the players he attacked or ID'd as scum have come up town, and he didn't do much in the way of buddying.
I was reading over my previous post, and my apologies if anything doesn't make sense. I was late picking my son up from daycare, and I didn't have time to preview the way I normally like to. If you need me to clarify any of my thoughts, please ask.
EWP: Um, Nyxu...I have to echo MTG's confusion. That feels like a really...odd read for you to have.
I was barning a thought that someone else had already stated. I would have used the same quote even if Annorax had posted it. You weren't giving much input at that time. Post here:
That was the barned statement and follow up questions about your reads. I'm still not really sure what you are getting at with me trying to "add weight to my post." There was no accusation there to try to add weight to.
You gave a follow up answer in 425. Your reads on TK, Annorax, and Incognito (I'm still accepting his at face value) were accurate. You stated you were taking WG's comment as a wash. I asked you answered. That was why I posted.
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Why?
He's one of the few living players that Annorax actively went after. See 223 (2nd vote on MTG's wagon), 248, 259. All of the above were made from a relatively unthreatened standpoint. Annorax reverses his stance once he comes under attack D2.
Of course, there are a few posts like 441, where DDS leans toward lynching TK over Annorax, but all in all, I feel like his posts are good, open, and town. Especially the recent legwork he's done looking into Pinky's Brain/LMcD's posts and MRH. Again, town aren't the only ones who do legwork, but I agreed with a lot of what DDS posted.
@Wheat: Why did you find it more likely that MTG and iRebel are both town because they independently came to the same thought instead of iRebel posting the thought because (as he says in his post) he read what MTG said and agreed with it?
I never said independently. It was the fact that they were in agreement on the idea.
Reread now.
MRHBlue (1): Sixed
Trabant777 (2): Wheat_Grinder, Incognito
Lord_McDonalds (5): Grimnar, TK-421, swishh, Trabant777, MRHBlue
Not Voting: Magenta, MTG~DDS, Lord_McDonalds
MRHBlue (1): Sixed
Trabant777 (3): Wheat_Grinder, Incognito, swishh
Lord_McDonalds (2): TK-421, MRHBlue
Not Voting: Magenta, MTG~DDS, Lord_McDonalds, Annorax, Trabant777, Grimnar
Lord_McDonalds (3): TK-421, MRHBlue, Annorax
swishh (1): Sixed
Annorax (5): swishh, Wheat_Grinder, Lord_McDonalds, Incognito, Trabant777
Trabant777 (1): MTG~DDS,
Not Voting: Magenta, Grimnar,
Lord_McDonalds (3): TK-421, MRHBlue, Annorax
Magenta (1): Sixed
Annorax (3): Lord_McDonalds, Incognito, Trabant777
Trabant777 (1): Wheat_Grinder,
Not Voting: Magenta, MTG~DDS, Polski, swishh,
Lord_McDonalds (2): TK-421, MRHBlue,
Magenta (1): Sixed
Annorax (1): Lord_McDonalds,
iRebel (4): Wheat_Grinder, Incognito, MTG~DDS, swishh
MTG~DDS (4): Polski, Annorax, iRebel, Magenta,
iRebel (6): Wheat_Grinder, Incognito, MTG~DDS, swishh, TK-421, Polski
MTG~DDS (3): Annorax, iRebel, Magenta
Annorax (2): Wheat_Grinder, swishh
TK-421 (1): Incognito
Wheat_Grinder (2): Annorax, MRHBlue
Not Voting (5): Lord_McDonalds; Magenta; MTG~DDS; Nyxu; TK-421
Annorax (4): Wheat_Grinder, swishh; pinkys_brain; Incognito
Wheat_Grinder (2): Annorax, MRHBlue
pinky's brain (1):; TK-421
Not Voting: Magenta; MTG~DDS; Nyxu
Annorax (3): Wheat_Grinder; pinkys_brain; Incognito
Wheat_Grinder (1): Annorax
pinky's brain (2): TK-421; MRHBlue
Not Voting: Cantripmancer; MTG~DDS; Nyxu; swishh
Annorax (6): Wheat_Grinder; pinkys_brain; Incognito; Nyxu; swishh; Annorax
pinky's brain (2): TK-421; MRHBlue
Not Voting: Cantripmancer; MTG~DDS