(Would you mind claiming before dying, W_G? This is a low-reveal game and if you're Town, that would help us a lot before we lynch Tom. TYVM in advance)
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
(Would you mind claiming before dying, W_G? This is a low-reveal game and if you're Town, that would help us a lot before we lynch Tom. TYVM in advance)
You're both scum. Tom's is a one-shot scumvig and you're attempting the gambit of the century. This is especially true if Seppel indeed has some sort of self-protection as he breadcrumbed about earlier, and that plus Void's role would make way too many Town kill immunities for that to be true.
(Would you mind claiming before dying, W_G? This is a low-reveal game and if you're Town, that would help us a lot before we lynch Tom. TYVM in advance)
You're both scum. Tom's is a one-shot scumvig and you're attempting the gambit of the century. This is especially true if Seppel indeed has some sort of self-protection as he breadcrumbed about earlier, and that plus Void's role would make way too many Town kill immunities for that to be true.
[QUOTE=Kosakosa;/comments/11763112]The worst part is that if W_G isn't scum, the real scum are giggling right now as Tom has just put his neck on the noose if W_G flips blue.
(Would you mind claiming before dying, W_G? This is a low-reveal game and if you're Town, that would help us a lot before we lynch Tom. TYVM in advance)
Again, I never said Tom is scum nor called you Town. See the "IF". Also, there was no reason for you to fullclaim if you wouldn't die anyway. Huge unnecessary overreaction here, which actually hurts the Town more than it helps.
You're both scum. Tom's is a one-shot scumvig and you're attempting the gambit of the century. This is especially true if Seppel indeed has some sort of self-protection as he breadcrumbed about earlier, and that plus Void's role would make way too many Town kill immunities for that to be true.
Here you're right. I'm calling you both scum, particularly if Tom flips scum. Which we'll know in a few hours, since he will be today's lynch, regardless of anything else, for attempting a rogue kill without the Town's consent.
(Would you mind claiming before dying, W_G? This is a low-reveal game and if you're Town, that would help us a lot before we lynch Tom. TYVM in advance)
You're both scum. Tom's is a one-shot scumvig and you're attempting the gambit of the century. This is especially true if Seppel indeed has some sort of self-protection as he breadcrumbed about earlier, and that plus Void's role would make way too many Town kill immunities for that to be true.
You're both scum. Tom's is a one-shot scumvig and you're attempting the gambit of the century. This is especially true if Seppel indeed has some sort of self-protection as he breadcrumbed about earlier, and that plus Void's role would make way too many Town kill immunities for that to be true.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
No that's not what happened. My ability never hit WG. I'm 1-shot.
I claimed otherwise earlier to confuse the scum and possibly get their NK. Then today I kept that ability and was waiting for an opportune time to get reactions (especially something like a "nice shot, I'm scum" reaction). With the deadline running near I knew I needed to do it soon, and I saw WG was online so I went for it.
While it makes sense for W_G to be the Enchantress if he's indeed immune to everything but the lynch, I can't help but feel immensely afraid of his kill being unstoppable as in Seasons.
Wouldn't the existence of more-than-one ways to make people immune to kills hint at that?
Finished my reread. Feel free to comment on and especially to answer unanswered questions, no matter how long they were asked:
#16: TMCT: First to mention the Enchantress (interestingly enough, Arian never commented on this. He might as well be the Enchantress), introduces himself to SB.
#54: TMCT: Barns SB’s response to Swish.
#84: TMCT: Swish didn’t call you scum. Self-conscious? Also, insinuates wanting to jump on Macius’ wagon.
#167: TMCT: Terrible, terrible reason to jump onto Swish’s wagon. Swish was right in stating that you shouldn’t answer stuff directed at Void.
#173: TMCT: Is this a breadcrumb? #176 further hints at that.
#193: Swish on TMCT: This is actually a good point. Now knowing that GMan is scum, and coupled with TMCT’s stream of self-consciousness in #84, I guess he’s our best scum lead here.
#259: TMCT: Dat slip.
#427: TMCT: Another terrible, bandwagony (intent to) vote on me. Never commented on why, in his opinion, the Void wagon was garbage. Even more terrible when partially justified with meta tells like “He was also quieter than town-KK has been in the early game, which often comes from first-time scum”. Will people ever learn?
#651: TMCT: His claim. Uncc’ed Doc claim, pretty much clears him.
DAY 2
#705: TMCT: I don’t remember where you said SB was your strongest scum read in D1. Care to show us, please?
Good thing your role clears you, because otherwise...
#37: Tom: Breaks RVS by barning Swishh’s vote on SB
#158: Tom: barns my accusation of Void coaching Asenion
#232: Tom: If you agree that lynching swish was the most pro-town thing that could happen, why didn’t you vote him?
#250: Tom: Says Asenion will look worse if Swish flips town.
#262: Tom: Wait, why are you voting Void if Asenion would look worse as Swish flipped town?
#267: GMan on Tom: An attempt at discrediting Tom. I’d be surprised if Tom is scum after this.
#385: Tom: GMan interaction. Null?
#523: Tom: Woorah naked vote on SB.
DAY 2
#752: Tom: “@Seppel: Is that what you meant by your question? Also, I'm going to use my kill on whoever we get to L-2 and are ready to lynch, so that we effectively get another lynch. I'm not going to rando-shoot someone right now just because you tell me to.”
Behaviorally scummy, especially now that we know he isn't an unlimited vig, but there's that interaction with GMan that makes me a little unsure.
#49: SB: OMGUS vote on Swish
#104: SB: naked vote on Macius, requests claim
#111: SB: deflects a question onto Void. Nervous much?
#290: SB: I… like this. I don’t know why though lol.
#341: SB: clears Tom if he’s multishot and states anyone considering otherwise is scummy. Hm. I like.
#413: SB: Correctly points out that an important part of Seppel’s case on him was fabricated. If SB turns out to be Town, Seppel is scum.
DAY 2
#750: SB: If you are a top town suspect, it’s then obvious that scum wouldn’t bother killing you (unless you’ve claimed cop or something). This gives me bad vibes.
Nothing much to work with. Gave me town vibes and scum vibes.
#71: Void: Calls Swish town on meta, votes SB.
#95: Void: Votes Macius, switches his opinion on swish (now scum) based on Macius’ FoS. Calls swish’s votecount request a “HUGE overreaction.
#105: Void: says he’ll prove how Macius and Swish are scum based on another game’s meta.
#127: Void: appeals to the crown regarding the scum team. Don’t like, seems fabricated
#228: Void: TMCT was the first one to bring forward the possibility of the SK, even if indirectly, in #16. Is it a HUGE scum tell for him as well?
#301: Void: Did you? I don’t remember where.
#361: Void: Townslips. If you are scum after this post (plus your role), oh my, you deserve the win.
#379: Void: Seconded on both accounts.
DAY 2
#728: Void: Why are you voting TMCT?
#743: Void: I didn’t confirm you on behavior, no sir. It was solely on your role, because even now, as I’m rereading, I’m having a terrible time accepting you as town. On the positive side, your behavior in here is widely different from scum!You in another (ongoing) game.
#834: Void: Stop trying to chain-mislynch people.
Behaviorally, I'd have him lynched weeks ago. Working for him, though, is his role and the #361 townslip that I refuse to accept coming from a scum.
#77: Jonpike: barns GMan, refrains from making general comments.
#143: Jonpike: this gave me town vibes. Could be scum refraining from jumping on the easy wagon after being away for so long, though.
#229: Jonpike: Votes Swish. Doesn’t like how Swish voted himself, despite never commenting on how Macius did the same thing, as SB correctly states.
#283: Jonpike: Votes Void, while interestingly not commenting on Void’s self-vote.
#337: Jonpike: So, so forced.
#504: W_G: T/S list for the record. I don’t recall you explaining what Macius’ alignment had to do with Asenion’s and Tom’s, though.
#518: W_G: Stupidity is not a scum tell, they say
#520: W_G: Calls two now-known townies scum. Will only delve into detail as why if people require him to do so. Also puts GMan in the “almost town” position. +scum.
DAY 2
#701: W_G: We remember your reads, don’t worry.
#749: W_G: TMCT had claimed Super Doc. WHY WOULD SOMEONE EXPECT HIM TO DIE THEN HUH. Reads like a fabricated joke to pass the idea that you are contributing when you actually aren’t.
#790: W_G: Dat naked vote on Tom.
#814: W_G: …God.
Totally scum. His claimed role doesn't make much for him here.
#79/80/82: Stardust: naked-votes Macius, followed by Rhand and Tom.
#153: Stardust: acknowledges barning Rhand, and they go on barning each other. Wtf is going on with this massive budding?
#310: Stardust: Votes Void and delves into that chain-lynch behavior I’ve already questioned.
#345: Stardust: Reasons against SB’s read request to Void and Tom.
#371: Stardust: Already knew I am scum. Wait, what? Where did he present that before?
#406: Stardust: Seppel is town on his first game post? Hah. So forced.
#447: Stardust: As I said before, I HATE this buddyish vote. I know it’s about the like-mindedness between Rhand and Stardust joke and yet I can’t shake the scum feeling here off my head.
#602: Stardust: Votes TMCT, interacts with GMan.
#624: Stardust: His defense over a GMan’s push. Not sure what to think about this interaction.
DAY 2
#725: Stardust: Can TMCT be scum with the role he claimed?
#806: Stardust: Says the same sentence SB did on #341. Not sure.
#830: Stardust: I like this Seppel case.
Few good points, but strongly leaning scum overall.
#168: Arian: I don’t like this vote on Swish. Townies on the verge of being mislynched often becomes antagonistic, as you should know it.
#188: Arian: Nice, he’s probably town (or at least not scum)
#203: Arian: Yeah this is definitely townArian.
#398: Arian: Naked vote on me.
#514: Arian: I like this for no particular reason.
DAY 2
#716: Arian: Why is Seppel calling TMCT scum?
Obvtown. No qualms on saying this.
#285: Rhand: I so much like this. You’ve reached the same conclusion as I did on TMCT and well, I’m town. You’re my new best friend. While Arian does defend Void, I don’t see any scumminess there, though. This is especially relevant now that Void is probably town (based on his role alone, because his behavior… geez.)
#346: Rhand: barns Stardust less than a minute after his post. Pretty much legit/sincere line of thought.
#392: Rhand: Votes Asenion, has a neutral read on Arian as Void is probably town.
DAY 2
#880: Rhand: If you’re scum, bravo.
Town. Moving on.
#401: Seppel: First of Seppel’s posts spitting out a bunch of bold statements without giving them reasoning. Misreps me twice. Dislike. Also never answered my questions.
#433: Seppel: Rushes my lynch without waiting to hear the claim. +++scum.
#449: Seppel: You never answered this as well: Why did you ask if I had a double-vote? Also I totally dislike the breadcrumb about being killproof, especially taking Void’s ability into account.
#451: Seppel: Hints about the possibility of Jon/Wheat being town. You’ve never delved into this as well. Might do it now.
#460: Seppel: His response to Rhand is ridiculous, since he hinted in #449 something about being killproof. Scum would obviously never try something on him.
#464: Seppel: This is no answer and you know it. Also we’re in D2 and I’m not seeing any elaboration. +scum.
#513: Seppel: Another reasonless statement.
#572: Seppel: Calls for Tom the SK.
#601: Seppel: Another wrong read. Strongly disliking Seppel.
#667: Seppel: Why is TMCT’s ability questionable?
DAY 2
#706: Seppel: Why are you voting the claimed Doc?
#726: Seppel: I profoundly dislike your stated reason (meta) to have GMan as town. You yourself know that blind stubbornness is generally a scum trait, as seen in Seppel’s Rules To Win As Mafia.
#823: Seppel: Wasn’t he town on #513?
Started off pretty badly but seems to be picking up lately. Bears a close watch. If he continues to be wrong on his reads, either cop or vig him and avoid entering Lylo with him alive.
#801: Iso: Too broken of a role to be truth. Must be scum. Lynch All Liars.
No that's not what happened. My ability never hit WG. I'm 1-shot.
I claimed otherwise earlier to confuse the scum and possibly get their NK. Then today I kept that ability and was waiting for an opportune time to get reactions (especially something like a "nice shot, I'm scum" reaction). With the deadline running near I knew I needed to do it soon, and I saw WG was online so I went for it.
Would you believe it to be a slip if it was someone else doing it?
Depending on the context and experience of the player, yes.
Why would Seppel want to tell me I'm wrong about the everyone is a pr part of my sentence by claiming vanilla when he has an ability, as small as it may be?
That's somethiing that Seppel would have to answer. I don't know his role.
Which puts us right back to Tom again, in my mind. I find it incredibly hard to believe that there could be 3 killing roles + the scum NK. I can believe a lot of things, but that pushes it IMO.
Are you saying that you don't believe I'm a killing role? Cuz I thought I already proved it.
I saw this, but I didn't take it as a serious question. I have no idea why you thought that this was even pertaining to you, and the only thing that I can take from it is that you have a guilty conscience.
My comment was not referring to you insofar as your role not being a killing role. I was merely stating that I felt there couldn't be MORE killing roles. If we accept you as not being the Enchantress, then that means there's you, Enchantress, and scum NK. My statement was in response to Wheat's #899:
You know what, let me put this to bed: I did false-claim. There are elements of truth in the claim but it was largely fabricated to draw and stop the mafia NK (which I have evidence to suggest I did).
And since my role still has heaps of utility, I'm not going to true-claim short of a mass claim so I can continue making the mafia my *****.
So now we have two unexplained kills if the other wasn't an NK.
Would you believe it to be a slip if it was someone else doing it?
Depending on the context and experience of the player, yes.
Why would Seppel want to tell me I'm wrong about the everyone is a pr part of my sentence by claiming vanilla when he has an ability, as small as it may be?
That's somethiing that Seppel would have to answer. I don't know his role.
To elaborate a bit: I've been suspicious of Seppel ever since he breadcrumbed vanilla by saying he was trying to get nightkilled (on the phone and in a hurry, can dig up after v/la).
I didn't pursue that because there might be pr-reasons to want to get nk'ed, but apparently he was just setting up his lie.
My comment was not referring to you insofar as your role not being a killing role. I was merely stating that I felt there couldn't be MORE killing roles. If we accept you as not being the Enchantress, then that means there's you, Enchantress, and scum NK.
If Wheat is telling the truth (I'm a skeptic), then we also have three kill stoppers in me, Void, and Wheat. Modgaming the balance of the game (especially in a low-reveal game with little about Asenion and Guardman) is futile at this juncture.
@Void: Rhand is town you chucklehead Drop it bro. We don't have that much time left, so channel your hatred into Stardust, Tom or W_G instead.
...which actually reminds me. @Tom: could you please attempt a Daykill on Stardust? Just to check if you're indeed one-shot. While you do it, please claim name and flavor.
@Void: Actually you also never claimed name when you were at L-2 because "my scum friends could use it somehow". You know that is bull****, so would you please do it now, for the sake of completeness?
I'm unsure of why exactly Seppel claimed vanilla, but I want to chime in and note that it is possible that Seppel is telling the truth -- or some degree of it, as I am also almost-vanilla.
There's no degrees to being vanilla. Either you are or you aren't.
Also, what's with the sudden halfassed claims? Do we want to out our strong pr's?
Rhand, it would wise for you to go and read Boardgame Mafia. There were several roles that were labeled as "Near-Vanilla Town" because of a game mechanic. Your modgaming and that is not helpful.
You could narrow this down to Rhand being aloofness, as you put it Seppel, but I see this as Rhand taking the pseudo-VT claim and smearing Arianrhod for it.
To both Silver and Void: I am not saying that I think Tom is not town.
You're both reading stuff that isn't there.
I don't know Tom's alignment and I don't have a strong enough 'not town'-read on him to lynch him. I'm not lynching a possible vig if I'm not sure that isn't what he is.
And neither should you.
Uhg, I hate double negatives. They make what is normally simple to understand not so easy.
If Tom is not exhibiting the Town behavior that you are use too, then what logical explanation would there be? For you to say "I don't have enough of a 'non-town' read to lnych him" after saying your double negative shows an inconsistency within the same post.
For the sake of everyone in this game, what is your current read on Tom?
Rhand, did you look at my case on Tom?
I did read your case. There's nothing in it that explains why Tom is not town.
It's a summary of his posts with a conclusion at the end that comes out of thin air.
Way to ignore Tom's behavior this game.
I'm starting to think that Tom may not be the Enchantress because of Rhand's last post.
Rhand completely ignores Tom’s behavior and says that nothing pointed to Tom not being Town.
Rhand
Re: Dichotomy, you believe that Tom is Town with the behavior he has exhibited thus far?
Tom is not exhibiting the town behaviour I'm used of him.
I have no scum meta to compare with though.
I don't think we can hold the Swishh kill against him. Swishh was his scummy self.
My gut tells me that Tom has gotten a role with too much power and doesn't know how to use it properly. That says nothing about his alignment: that can go either way. But whatever alignment he is, we can use it as an extra lynch without nightkill for now. As soon as he shoots someone we don't agree with, he's dead.
Rhand even says that Tom is not exhibiting the Town behavior he is use too, but then uses the cop out that he (Rhand) does not have a scum meta to compare Tom too which is a bogus reason. Tom still has a comparable meta.
[QUOTE=Rhand;/comments/11763017]And when exactly would that be, Void, that neutral Tom will be ready to get lynched?
Whenever the Town gets their thumbs out of their asses.
Also, Rhand, please explain why Stardust and Seppel is not a dichotomy while your at it. Your post, at the time, did not leave doubt which showed you know that isn't dichotomy.
[QUOTE=Void;/comments/11763044]Rhand
Re: Dichotomy, you believe that Tom is Town with the behavior he has exhibited thus far?
Tom is not exhibiting the town behaviour I'm used of him.
I have no scum meta to compare with though.
I don't think we can hold the Swishh kill against him. Swishh was his scummy self.
My gut tells me that Tom has gotten a role with too much power and doesn't know how to use it properly. That says nothing about his alignment: that can go either way. But whatever alignment he is, we can use it as an extra lynch without nightkill for now. As soon as he shoots someone we don't agree with, he's dead.
These two posts do not mesh together.
How can you tell me that I am not allowing for a Town read when you yourself don't have a Town read on Tom?
Regardless of meta, Tom is behaving scum like.
I'm not holding the Swishh kill against him. I'm only saying that anyone could have done what Tom did and be viewed as getting rid of someone who was Town that behaved scummy.
The only way Tom will kill anyone is once we know their claim and decide whether the DK is worth it. And I for one do not want to out information so that Tom can utilize his DK better for whatever faction he is with.
If Tom is not lynch for toDay, then you should be, Rhand, for that last post. Either you didn't think this through or you are scum. Either way, you are now my number one suspect for being scum.
And let’s not forget this beauty of a post.
There might be more that I may have missed, but this is just some recent stuff.
Also, Seppel, Rhand's last fish attempt againt you to gain information about your Role. There is no reason to be asking that kind of question on Day 2. I left my statement the way it was becasue your Role information, as far as we know, means nothing or everything to the game.
KK
Would it be better for me to hold that card close to me since the scum might have to false claim? Or would it better to out the information and lose a potentional wasy to catch scum?
I don't know the Flavor at all so trying to guess what might be false claimed is tough. Anyone may answer the above question along with KK.
Also, Rhand is a good option. I would be willing to settle on Wheaties should the deadline become an issue.
I think you should claim because doing so adds more legitimacy to your towniness if your character appears in the flavor later on. I doubt scum will be caught over a stupid thing like name counterclaim (not to mention the much likely chance they have safeclaims), so I can't see a reason for not claiming.
I received a PM from Iso that says Rhand is not town. There's a small amount of flavor about receiving an anonymous tip, and then the result below that in bold, so I'm taking it as fact.
Why not send it to Kosa, who knows. Probably someone trying to determine my alignment by what I do with the information.
I want to ask for an explanation -- especially since this is like a complete 180 from even earlier today, but I already know you aren't going to give one, because you're still channeling Kpaca or something ._.
@Void: Rhand is town you chucklehead Drop it bro. We don't have that much time left, so channel your hatred into Stardust, Tom or W_G instead.
...which actually reminds me. @Tom: could you please attempt a Daykill on Stardust? Just to check if you're indeed one-shot. While you do it, please claim name and flavor.
Tom already tried to daykill Wheat, and nothing happened. It's possible he can only daykill on odd-numbered days or some goofy restriction like that. His flat refusal to claim despite most of the game asking for it all Day indicates that there is more to to his role than he has told us -- whether because hiding PR or because anti-town, I don't think we have any way of being sure.
Other thoughts:
-) Wheat's role seems odd. I'm not really sure how to reconcile this in my head without devolving into excessive attempted gaming of the setup.
-) lol@Tom's OMGUS towards me.
-) Stardust and Stormblind have been continuing to do nothing. Stormblind probably just needs replaced....Stardust feels like he's active lurking.
-) TCMT is reading a bit better than he did on Day 1, although that wouldn't really take much. His observations @Wheat and continuing to pressure Tom feel pro-town to me.
Getting interrupted by work, will finish in a bit.
Would you believe it to be a slip if it was someone else doing it?
Depending on the context and experience of the player, yes.
Why would Seppel want to tell me I'm wrong about the everyone is a pr part of my sentence by claiming vanilla when he has an ability, as small as it may be?
That's somethiing that Seppel would have to answer. I don't know his role.
To elaborate a bit: I've been suspicious of Seppel ever since he breadcrumbed vanilla by saying he was trying to get nightkilled (on the phone and in a hurry, can dig up after v/la).
I didn't pursue that because there might be pr-reasons to want to get nk'ed, but apparently he was just setting up his lie.
...which actually reminds me. @Tom: could you please attempt a Daykill on Stardust? Just to check if you're indeed one-shot. While you do it, please claim name and flavor.
That won't accomplish anything: he already used his shot today if he has one.
Void:
How am I scummy for fishing Seppel? He claims a lie and I'm supposed to let that slide?
I can't imagine any games being won by town when Seppel is scum if you all treat him like this. He's caught in a lie and refuses to explain. Scummyscumscum.
On Tom: his daykillgambit with Wheat looks awful. Tom is either town or scum with Wheat. I don't see him being neutral.
I received a PM from Iso that says Rhand is not town. There's a small amount of flavor about receiving an anonymous tip, and then the result below that in bold, so I'm taking it as fact.
Why not send it to Kosa, who knows. Probably someone trying to determine my alignment by what I do with the information.
We need to massclaim. Whoever sent you this must die.
@Stardust: stop trying to earn town credit over next-to-irrelevant issues. It seems incredibly forced.
This has nothing to do with town credit. Void is town. Any additional information he gives will only hurt us.
Yes it has everything to do with town cred. You're putting a completely harmless information under the pseudo townie black-and-white shroud of "ANY INFORMATION IZ BADH!!1!!one!". This is not only nonsense but also ridiculous.
What, in your opinion, can scum win by knowing a name?
@Seppel: well, I don't think Iso would be bastard enough to forward a player-created message (as Arian's role in Ataghan) if that message contained a fake alignment on it. Testing your alignment with that is dumb, obviously your job would have to be to report it to us, regardless of alignment.
Any comments on it, Rhand?
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Because I want you to shoot Seppel.
You just wasted your daykill. It cannot affect me.
"TRAITOROUS SCUM! I WILL END YOU!" roared Tom fiercly.
...
"Or, at least, I want to."
...
"Well, this is awkward."
Nothing happened.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Lorradon, Rogue Wraith, Town Shadow.
No abilities can affect me except for the lynch.
But you know what I'm thinking right now?
You're both scum. Tom's is a one-shot scumvig and you're attempting the gambit of the century. This is especially true if Seppel indeed has some sort of self-protection as he breadcrumbed about earlier, and that plus Void's role would make way too many Town kill immunities for that to be true.
Vote Wheat_Grinder
Unvote
Vote Tom
"Tom and WG are both town"
"Tom is scum but WG is town"
"Tom and WG are both scum"
Look at the conditional. "IF". That wasn't an affirmative nor I said Tom is Town. Could be a Neutral.
Again, I never said Tom is scum nor called you Town. See the "IF". Also, there was no reason for you to fullclaim if you wouldn't die anyway. Huge unnecessary overreaction here, which actually hurts the Town more than it helps.
Here you're right. I'm calling you both scum, particularly if Tom flips scum. Which we'll know in a few hours, since he will be today's lynch, regardless of anything else, for attempting a rogue kill without the Town's consent.
Hunting confirmed town.
"...but I'm not really hunting confirmed town :awesome:"
No that's not what happened. My ability never hit WG. I'm 1-shot.
I claimed otherwise earlier to confuse the scum and possibly get their NK. Then today I kept that ability and was waiting for an opportune time to get reactions (especially something like a "nice shot, I'm scum" reaction). With the deadline running near I knew I needed to do it soon, and I saw WG was online so I went for it.
Unvote while I think about his reactions.
@Iso
VC?
How fricking convenient this is.
Wheat, tom, silver, kosa, tmct, rhand, void... all are off the table until further notice.
Unvote, vote Stardust.
in retrospect Wheat's probably the Enchantress (considering TMCT is our protective role) but hey he's killing scum so I'm fine with him
Wouldn't the existence of more-than-one ways to make people immune to kills hint at that?
#54: TMCT: Barns SB’s response to Swish.
#84: TMCT: Swish didn’t call you scum. Self-conscious? Also, insinuates wanting to jump on Macius’ wagon.
#167: TMCT: Terrible, terrible reason to jump onto Swish’s wagon. Swish was right in stating that you shouldn’t answer stuff directed at Void.
#173: TMCT: Is this a breadcrumb? #176 further hints at that.
#193: Swish on TMCT: This is actually a good point. Now knowing that GMan is scum, and coupled with TMCT’s stream of self-consciousness in #84, I guess he’s our best scum lead here.
#259: TMCT: Dat slip.
#427: TMCT: Another terrible, bandwagony (intent to) vote on me. Never commented on why, in his opinion, the Void wagon was garbage. Even more terrible when partially justified with meta tells like “He was also quieter than town-KK has been in the early game, which often comes from first-time scum”. Will people ever learn?
#651: TMCT: His claim. Uncc’ed Doc claim, pretty much clears him.
DAY 2
#705: TMCT: I don’t remember where you said SB was your strongest scum read in D1. Care to show us, please?
Good thing your role clears you, because otherwise...
#158: Tom: barns my accusation of Void coaching Asenion
#232: Tom: If you agree that lynching swish was the most pro-town thing that could happen, why didn’t you vote him?
#250: Tom: Says Asenion will look worse if Swish flips town.
#262: Tom: Wait, why are you voting Void if Asenion would look worse as Swish flipped town?
#267: GMan on Tom: An attempt at discrediting Tom. I’d be surprised if Tom is scum after this.
#385: Tom: GMan interaction. Null?
#523: Tom: Woorah naked vote on SB.
DAY 2
#752: Tom: “@Seppel: Is that what you meant by your question? Also, I'm going to use my kill on whoever we get to L-2 and are ready to lynch, so that we effectively get another lynch. I'm not going to rando-shoot someone right now just because you tell me to.”
Behaviorally scummy, especially now that we know he isn't an unlimited vig, but there's that interaction with GMan that makes me a little unsure.
#104: SB: naked vote on Macius, requests claim
#111: SB: deflects a question onto Void. Nervous much?
#290: SB: I… like this. I don’t know why though lol.
#341: SB: clears Tom if he’s multishot and states anyone considering otherwise is scummy. Hm. I like.
#413: SB: Correctly points out that an important part of Seppel’s case on him was fabricated. If SB turns out to be Town, Seppel is scum.
DAY 2
#750: SB: If you are a top town suspect, it’s then obvious that scum wouldn’t bother killing you (unless you’ve claimed cop or something). This gives me bad vibes.
Nothing much to work with. Gave me town vibes and scum vibes.
#95: Void: Votes Macius, switches his opinion on swish (now scum) based on Macius’ FoS. Calls swish’s votecount request a “HUGE overreaction.
#105: Void: says he’ll prove how Macius and Swish are scum based on another game’s meta.
#127: Void: appeals to the crown regarding the scum team. Don’t like, seems fabricated
#228: Void: TMCT was the first one to bring forward the possibility of the SK, even if indirectly, in #16. Is it a HUGE scum tell for him as well?
#301: Void: Did you? I don’t remember where.
#361: Void: Townslips. If you are scum after this post (plus your role), oh my, you deserve the win.
#379: Void: Seconded on both accounts.
DAY 2
#728: Void: Why are you voting TMCT?
#743: Void: I didn’t confirm you on behavior, no sir. It was solely on your role, because even now, as I’m rereading, I’m having a terrible time accepting you as town. On the positive side, your behavior in here is widely different from scum!You in another (ongoing) game.
#834: Void: Stop trying to chain-mislynch people.
Behaviorally, I'd have him lynched weeks ago. Working for him, though, is his role and the #361 townslip that I refuse to accept coming from a scum.
#143: Jonpike: this gave me town vibes. Could be scum refraining from jumping on the easy wagon after being away for so long, though.
#229: Jonpike: Votes Swish. Doesn’t like how Swish voted himself, despite never commenting on how Macius did the same thing, as SB correctly states.
#283: Jonpike: Votes Void, while interestingly not commenting on Void’s self-vote.
#337: Jonpike: So, so forced.
#504: W_G: T/S list for the record. I don’t recall you explaining what Macius’ alignment had to do with Asenion’s and Tom’s, though.
#518: W_G: Stupidity is not a scum tell, they say
#520: W_G: Calls two now-known townies scum. Will only delve into detail as why if people require him to do so. Also puts GMan in the “almost town” position. +scum.
DAY 2
#701: W_G: We remember your reads, don’t worry.
#749: W_G: TMCT had claimed Super Doc. WHY WOULD SOMEONE EXPECT HIM TO DIE THEN HUH. Reads like a fabricated joke to pass the idea that you are contributing when you actually aren’t.
#790: W_G: Dat naked vote on Tom.
#814: W_G: …God.
Totally scum. His claimed role doesn't make much for him here.
#153: Stardust: acknowledges barning Rhand, and they go on barning each other. Wtf is going on with this massive budding?
#310: Stardust: Votes Void and delves into that chain-lynch behavior I’ve already questioned.
#345: Stardust: Reasons against SB’s read request to Void and Tom.
#371: Stardust: Already knew I am scum. Wait, what? Where did he present that before?
#406: Stardust: Seppel is town on his first game post? Hah. So forced.
#447: Stardust: As I said before, I HATE this buddyish vote. I know it’s about the like-mindedness between Rhand and Stardust joke and yet I can’t shake the scum feeling here off my head.
#602: Stardust: Votes TMCT, interacts with GMan.
#624: Stardust: His defense over a GMan’s push. Not sure what to think about this interaction.
DAY 2
#725: Stardust: Can TMCT be scum with the role he claimed?
#806: Stardust: Says the same sentence SB did on #341. Not sure.
#830: Stardust: I like this Seppel case.
Few good points, but strongly leaning scum overall.
#188: Arian: Nice, he’s probably town (or at least not scum)
#203: Arian: Yeah this is definitely townArian.
#398: Arian: Naked vote on me.
#514: Arian: I like this for no particular reason.
DAY 2
#716: Arian: Why is Seppel calling TMCT scum?
Obvtown. No qualms on saying this.
#346: Rhand: barns Stardust less than a minute after his post. Pretty much legit/sincere line of thought.
#392: Rhand: Votes Asenion, has a neutral read on Arian as Void is probably town.
DAY 2
#880: Rhand: If you’re scum, bravo.
Town. Moving on.
#433: Seppel: Rushes my lynch without waiting to hear the claim. +++scum.
#449: Seppel: You never answered this as well: Why did you ask if I had a double-vote? Also I totally dislike the breadcrumb about being killproof, especially taking Void’s ability into account.
#451: Seppel: Hints about the possibility of Jon/Wheat being town. You’ve never delved into this as well. Might do it now.
#460: Seppel: His response to Rhand is ridiculous, since he hinted in #449 something about being killproof. Scum would obviously never try something on him.
#464: Seppel: This is no answer and you know it. Also we’re in D2 and I’m not seeing any elaboration. +scum.
#513: Seppel: Another reasonless statement.
#572: Seppel: Calls for Tom the SK.
#601: Seppel: Another wrong read. Strongly disliking Seppel.
#667: Seppel: Why is TMCT’s ability questionable?
DAY 2
#706: Seppel: Why are you voting the claimed Doc?
#726: Seppel: I profoundly dislike your stated reason (meta) to have GMan as town. You yourself know that blind stubbornness is generally a scum trait, as seen in Seppel’s Rules To Win As Mafia.
#823: Seppel: Wasn’t he town on #513?
Started off pretty badly but seems to be picking up lately. Bears a close watch. If he continues to be wrong on his reads, either cop or vig him and avoid entering Lylo with him alive.
Obvscum.
I think this is all for now.
This totally reads like you know that I'm town. Like totally.
Would Iso be as silly as to put a scum role in a game where he "confirms" that scum player as town?
It's quite uncool that he knows he hasn't been posting much and continues not to.
Mod: please prod StormBlind (no posts in 4 days)
Do you really mean "pre" or do you mean "post"?
Agree except for sliver. In fact, Vote: Arianrhod
When you thought I was the enchantress you weren't fine with me. Why does it change for WG?
Also, please explain the stuff that we've asked you to explain like a million times now.
EBWODP: and WG.
Cmon now. Are you THAT desperate?
Why is Arian scum?
Why aren't you claiming name and flavor yet? Stop stalling.
I still do want Tom to claim.
Didn't catch that. It's fine then.
I was pointing out what I thought was tinfoil.
lol.
I still can't have abilities resolve against me.
Thank you for finally bringing some sani-
For the love of God.
Iso just told me I'm not the Enchantress so I'm probably not the Enchantress.
Seppel: please do.
More thoughts in a bit once I've had time to digest everything, but I wanted to answer this since I didn't before:
I saw this, but I didn't take it as a serious question. I have no idea why you thought that this was even pertaining to you, and the only thing that I can take from it is that you have a guilty conscience.
My comment was not referring to you insofar as your role not being a killing role. I was merely stating that I felt there couldn't be MORE killing roles. If we accept you as not being the Enchantress, then that means there's you, Enchantress, and scum NK. My statement was in response to Wheat's #899:
Does that make sense?
>implying that I wanted to tell you
Vote: Rhand
Reasons previously stated.
[x] Rhand's complete aloofness
[x] Rhand's desire to spew out everything he thinks
[ ] Rhand's happy-go-lucky nature
I'm still thinking he's town.
Can you do this, Rhand?
If Wheat is telling the truth (I'm a skeptic), then we also have three kill stoppers in me, Void, and Wheat. Modgaming the balance of the game (especially in a low-reveal game with little about Asenion and Guardman) is futile at this juncture.
Rhand is town you chuckleheadDrop it bro. We don't have that much time left, so channel your hatred into Stardust, Tom or W_G instead....which actually reminds me. @Tom: could you please attempt a Daykill on Stardust? Just to check if you're indeed one-shot. While you do it, please claim name and flavor.
You could narrow this down to Rhand being aloofness, as you put it Seppel, but I see this as Rhand taking the pseudo-VT claim and smearing Arianrhod for it.
Rhand completely ignores Tom’s behavior and says that nothing pointed to Tom not being Town.
Obvious twisting of a gambit by you.
Rhand even says that Tom is not exhibiting the Town behavior he is use too, but then uses the cop out that he (Rhand) does not have a scum meta to compare Tom too which is a bogus reason. Tom still has a comparable meta.
And let’s not forget this beauty of a post.
There might be more that I may have missed, but this is just some recent stuff.
Also, Seppel, Rhand's last fish attempt againt you to gain information about your Role. There is no reason to be asking that kind of question on Day 2. I left my statement the way it was becasue your Role information, as far as we know, means nothing or everything to the game.
KK
Would it be better for me to hold that card close to me since the scum might have to false claim? Or would it better to out the information and lose a potentional wasy to catch scum?
I don't know the Flavor at all so trying to guess what might be false claimed is tough. Anyone may answer the above question along with KK.
Also, Rhand is a good option. I would be willing to settle on Wheaties should the deadline become an issue.
Thanks to whoever sent me that.
Unvote, vote Rhand.
This has nothing to do with town credit. Void is town. Any additional information he gives will only hurt us.
Yes, Seppel, please do elaborate.
Why not send it to Kosa, who knows. Probably someone trying to determine my alignment by what I do with the information.
I want to ask for an explanation -- especially since this is like a complete 180 from even earlier today, but I already know you aren't going to give one, because you're still channeling Kpaca or something ._.
Tom already tried to daykill Wheat, and nothing happened. It's possible he can only daykill on odd-numbered days or some goofy restriction like that. His flat refusal to claim despite most of the game asking for it all Day indicates that there is more to to his role than he has told us -- whether because hiding PR or because anti-town, I don't think we have any way of being sure.
Other thoughts:
-) Wheat's role seems odd. I'm not really sure how to reconcile this in my head without devolving into excessive attempted gaming of the setup.
-) lol@Tom's OMGUS towards me.
-) Stardust and Stormblind have been continuing to do nothing. Stormblind probably just needs replaced....Stardust feels like he's active lurking.
-) TCMT is reading a bit better than he did on Day 1, although that wouldn't really take much. His observations @Wheat and continuing to pressure Tom feel pro-town to me.
Getting interrupted by work, will finish in a bit.
Nah, I'm ordering you to tell me.
I had to look up 'aloofness' and 'happy-go-lucky' to see what you think of me
Sure:
That won't accomplish anything: he already used his shot today if he has one.
Void:
How am I scummy for fishing Seppel? He claims a lie and I'm supposed to let that slide?
I can't imagine any games being won by town when Seppel is scum if you all treat him like this. He's caught in a lie and refuses to explain. Scummyscumscum.
On Tom: his daykillgambit with Wheat looks awful. Tom is either town or scum with Wheat. I don't see him being neutral.
We need to massclaim. Whoever sent you this must die.
unvote. I can't imagine Seppel making this up.
Yes it has everything to do with town cred. You're putting a completely harmless information under the pseudo townie black-and-white shroud of "ANY INFORMATION IZ BADH!!1!!one!". This is not only nonsense but also ridiculous.
What, in your opinion, can scum win by knowing a name?
@Seppel: well, I don't think Iso would be bastard enough to forward a player-created message (as Arian's role in Ataghan) if that message contained a fake alignment on it. Testing your alignment with that is dumb, obviously your job would have to be to report it to us, regardless of alignment.
Any comments on it, Rhand?