As the mythics for the most expensive box of modern magic, glad I'm only drafting.
I guess all the rares will be worthless. (That said, people should never have paid that much for a box, but the value of the mythics is still incredibly high on average)
Not really the price that bothers me, its the fact that they used 33% of the mythic slots of a set called MODERN master for cards that don't see play in Modern.
So you would rather see cards played in modern as mythics instead of rares?
Why...?
Just because X card isn't a mythic doesn't mean it isn't in the set....at all.
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The last mythic is Vedalken Shackles, which is why the booster pack with the new art is there
Those mythics came from 6 boxes (you don't see the doubles), I saw a couple of Cryptic Commands, Aether Vials, Gifts Ungiven, Arcbound Ravager get opened at rare - didn't see any Thoughtseizes or Damnations and no Mutavaults, plenty of Glimmervoids
There are a plenty of bad rares as well...
Thanks for the information! I'm almost afraid to ask, but by "bad rares", what do you mean?
The last mythic is Vedalken Shackles, which is why the booster pack with the new art is there
Those mythics came from 6 boxes (you don't see the doubles), I saw a couple of Cryptic Commands, Aether Vials, Gifts Ungiven, Arcbound Ravager get opened at rare - didn't see any Thoughtseizes or Damnations and no Mutavaults, plenty of Glimmervoids
There are a plenty of bad rares as well...
Thanks for the info! Could you give us a list of rares/notable uncommons you saw? Even the 'bad' ones can help the number crunchers.
This is all good news. Dragons at mythic, well, you have to dilute the price of the other mythics.
Only thing missing is Seize at rare. Seriously, I think they cannot overlook this one. Mythic would have been ridiculous, but between mythic and nothing, I'd take mythic obviously.
Still, nothing surprises me in the spoiler so far, and Thoughtseize is the only thing missing on tthe short list of cards that I thought HAD to be reprinted.
Also, people need to understand this... When buying a box, you can't count Clique @50, Bob @60 when you value your pulls. These cards will go down from their present value, hence are not worth these prices anymore... Question is, would you buy a Clique for 50$ today? I know I wouldn't.
Well well well... looks like pretty much all (most) of the wild guesses were pretty much correct. This IS going to be worth the heavy price tag. I love it...
Now, those are all mythics and rares. What about the "uncovered" commons and uncommons?
Oh, geez... just realized that the new legends rule somewhat hoses the legendary dragon cycle (somewhat)... This is what happens when MaRo & Co. make changes, on the fly, instead of planning things out. If they would've though threw the changes to the legends rule a year ago, we may have not seen the Kamaigawa legendary cycle of dragons get reprinted. I like the idea that they (MaRo & Co.) listen to the blue-collar Joe-Schmo Magic player and keep the animals at bey, but all I ask is to plans things, not passionately makes changes ona whim.
This is all good news. Dragons at mythic, well, you have to dilute the price of the other mythics.
Only thing missing is Seize at rare. Seriously, I think they cannot overlook this one. Mythic would have been ridiculous, but between mythic and nothing, I'd take mythic obviously.
Still, nothing surprises me in the spoiler so far, and Thoughtseize is the only thing missing on tthe short list of cards that I thought HAD to be reprinted.
Also, people need to understand this... When buying a box, you can't count Clique @50, Bob @60 when you value your pulls. These cards will go down from their present value, hence are not worth these prices anymore... Question is, would you buy a Clique for 50$ today? I know I wouldn't.
Thoughtseize, Damnation, and Mutavault all being missed seems like a pretty major oversight.
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Are people really complaining that some of the mythics (the dragons) are mythic just because they feel epic instead of just putting all the money rares in the mythic slot?
I LOOOVE seeing cards that are just cool/awesome at mythic. That way the good cards are easier to find in packs at the rare slot. Like tarmogoyf, mythic? I understand WoTC is going for the cash grab there, but there is nothing "mythic" about a glorified grizzly bears.
Also, people need to understand this... When buying a box, you can't count Clique @50, Bob @60 when you value your pulls. These cards will go down from their present value, hence are not worth these prices anymore... Question is, would you buy a Clique for 50$ today? I know I wouldn't.
I really think it might be a gross overestimation how much Modern Masters will be out there. I just don't see a world where suddenly we have $20-30 Confidants or Cliques, or even $50 Tarmogoyfs because of this. The market will get an initial flood, but then more people would get interested in the format because of the sudden surge, then availability becomes a concern and the prices will return to near current levels. If anything, the prices of the uncommons and commons will probably be most affected long term by the set being released.
how does it not make sense they feel very mythic. Also this allows some money rares such as doubling season, cryptic command, thoughtseize, mutavault etc to be printed at rare
ok so if we assume all of these bad rares, are bad (value wise) and this is assuming no seize, or mutavault.
Just with what we have now, is a box for 300 justified? What are estimated values of a box thus far?
Im also very curious on the rest of these bad rares, hope we get some more info.
In the same way you can tell someone is from the XVIII century because he is arroused by ankles, you can tell someone is from USA because he feels nipples disturbing.
So, we're up to 10 mythics already? Something seems odd about the spoilers this time around. Will mythics be in more packs? Or might they really surprise us and go 1 mythic and 1-2 rares per pack? It is going to be limited printing, with fewer packs per box...
Lol complaining that they'll be pulling more money cards. That's what the people complaining about CHK Dragons are essentially doing. You pull more rares than mythics yet the point of the set is to distribute more cards into the pool without completely destroying the secondary market value, and somehow it's a bad thing that the only money mythics are the most expensive Modern cards and the rest are filler so everything else is obtainable relative to it's value? Sure okay.
So Mana Tithe at mythic then because it's a force spike in white? Being from planar chaos doesn't mean a card should be mythic.
No, but it might be uncommon. Wrath of God is rare in white. It follows that it should be scarcer in a color that isn't at the top of that particular segment of pie.
I'm not saying the following are bad, just what I remember (editing this post as I remember them):
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Squee, Goblin something
Dragonstorm
Angel's Grace
Figure of Destiny
A green rare that starts with V and ends with the word Ancients or something? I think it's a creature..
Woodfall Primus
Engineered Explosives
Some Skeletal Vampire thing?
Death Cloud
Lotus Bloom
Life from the Loam
Extirpate
Stonehewer Giant
Kira
Meloku
Scion of Oona
Oona Queen of Fae
Divinity of Pride
Demigod of Revenge
Aethervial
Arcbound Ravager
Cryptic Command
Blood Moon
Doubling Season
Green entwine card that makes your lands 2/2 and untap them
Molten Diaster
Tooth and Nail
City of Brass
Glimmervoid
Red thing that has suspend 9 and you sac permanents to remove counters
Gifts Ungiven
So, we're up to 10 mythics already? Something seems odd about the spoilers this time around. Will mythics be in more packs? Or might they really surprise us and go 1 mythic and 1-2 rares per pack? It is going to be limited printing, with fewer packs per box...
No, all 15 Mythics are now known. 5 Kamigawa Dragons, Bob/Goyf/Clique/Kiki/Elspeth, SoLaS, SoFaI, Sarkhan, Progenitus, Shackles.
Someone just cracked an entire case, there's no sort of rarity screwing around going on here.
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This is all good news. Dragons at mythic, well, you have to dilute the price of the other mythics.
Only thing missing is Seize at rare. Seriously, I think they cannot overlook this one. Mythic would have been ridiculous, but between mythic and nothing, I'd take mythic obviously.
Still, nothing surprises me in the spoiler so far, and Thoughtseize is the only thing missing on tthe short list of cards that I thought HAD to be reprinted.
Also, people need to understand this... When buying a box, you can't count Clique @50, Bob @60 when you value your pulls. These cards will go down from their present value, hence are not worth these prices anymore... Question is, would you buy a Clique for 50$ today? I know I wouldn't.
Bob, Clique and Goyf will not go down at all. Hate to disappoint.
I'm not saying the following are bad, just what I remember:
Lotus Bloom
Life from the Loam
Extirpate
Stonehewer Giant
Kira
Meloku
Scion of Oona
Oona Queen of Fae
Divinity of Pride
Demigod of Revenge
Aethervial
Arcbound Ravager
Cryptic Command
Blood Moon
Doubling Season
Green entwine card that makes your lands 2/2 and untap them
Molten Diaster
Red thing that has suspend 9 and you sac permanents to remove counters
Gifts Ungiven
Any chance you can get lists of cards or pictures? Thanks for the spoilers btw
I'm glad I held off on buying SoFaI and SoLaS, because now I can buy these and have them match the new swords. Also, I'm surprised they didn't use the FTV art for Progenitus.
They left out the part where Yawgmoth is resurrected,but has been cleansed as Yawgmoth the Redeemed,and now must awaken Chromium so that Karn can fuse with him and create what can only be known as : the ultimate taco.
I'm not saying the following are bad, just what I remember:
Lotus Bloom
Life from the Loam
Extirpate
Stonehewer Giant
Kira
Meloku
Scion of Oona
Oona Queen of Fae
Divinity of Pride
Demigod of Revenge
Aethervial
Arcbound Ravager
Cryptic Command
Blood Moon
Doubling Season
Green entwine card that makes your lands 2/2 and untap them
Molten Diaster
Red thing that has suspend 9 and you sac permanents to remove counters
Gifts Ungiven
I'm not saying the following are bad, just what I remember:
Lotus Bloom
Life from the Loam
Extirpate
Stonehewer Giant
Kira
Meloku
Scion of Oona
Oona Queen of Fae
Divinity of Pride
Demigod of Revenge
Aethervial
Arcbound Ravager
Cryptic Command
Blood Moon
Doubling Season
Green entwine card that makes your lands 2/2 and untap them
Molten Diaster
Red thing that has suspend 9 and you sac permanents to remove counters
Gifts Ungiven
Were you with / are Sumchung? Any proof or Viperesque vouch?
I guess all the rares will be worthless. (That said, people should never have paid that much for a box, but the value of the mythics is still incredibly high on average)
So you would rather see cards played in modern as mythics instead of rares?
Why...?
Just because X card isn't a mythic doesn't mean it isn't in the set....at all.
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Thanks for the information! I'm almost afraid to ask, but by "bad rares", what do you mean?
Thanks for the info! Could you give us a list of rares/notable uncommons you saw? Even the 'bad' ones can help the number crunchers.
Only thing missing is Seize at rare. Seriously, I think they cannot overlook this one. Mythic would have been ridiculous, but between mythic and nothing, I'd take mythic obviously.
Still, nothing surprises me in the spoiler so far, and Thoughtseize is the only thing missing on tthe short list of cards that I thought HAD to be reprinted.
Also, people need to understand this... When buying a box, you can't count Clique @50, Bob @60 when you value your pulls. These cards will go down from their present value, hence are not worth these prices anymore... Question is, would you buy a Clique for 50$ today? I know I wouldn't.
Now, those are all mythics and rares. What about the "uncovered" commons and uncommons?
Oh, geez... just realized that the new legends rule somewhat hoses the legendary dragon cycle (somewhat)... This is what happens when MaRo & Co. make changes, on the fly, instead of planning things out. If they would've though threw the changes to the legends rule a year ago, we may have not seen the Kamaigawa legendary cycle of dragons get reprinted. I like the idea that they (MaRo & Co.) listen to the blue-collar Joe-Schmo Magic player and keep the animals at bey, but all I ask is to plans things, not passionately makes changes ona whim.
Thoughtseize, Damnation, and Mutavault all being missed seems like a pretty major oversight.
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I LOOOVE seeing cards that are just cool/awesome at mythic. That way the good cards are easier to find in packs at the rare slot. Like tarmogoyf, mythic? I understand WoTC is going for the cash grab there, but there is nothing "mythic" about a glorified grizzly bears.
I really think it might be a gross overestimation how much Modern Masters will be out there. I just don't see a world where suddenly we have $20-30 Confidants or Cliques, or even $50 Tarmogoyfs because of this. The market will get an initial flood, but then more people would get interested in the format because of the sudden surge, then availability becomes a concern and the prices will return to near current levels. If anything, the prices of the uncommons and commons will probably be most affected long term by the set being released.
Agreed. This is one of the major cards that needs to be reprinted urgently
ok so if we assume all of these bad rares, are bad (value wise) and this is assuming no seize, or mutavault.
Just with what we have now, is a box for 300 justified? What are estimated values of a box thus far?
Im also very curious on the rest of these bad rares, hope we get some more info.
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No, but it might be uncommon. Wrath of God is rare in white. It follows that it should be scarcer in a color that isn't at the top of that particular segment of pie.
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Squee, Goblin something
Dragonstorm
Angel's Grace
Figure of Destiny
A green rare that starts with V and ends with the word Ancients or something? I think it's a creature..
Woodfall Primus
Engineered Explosives
Some Skeletal Vampire thing?
Death Cloud
Lotus Bloom
Life from the Loam
Extirpate
Stonehewer Giant
Kira
Meloku
Scion of Oona
Oona Queen of Fae
Divinity of Pride
Demigod of Revenge
Aethervial
Arcbound Ravager
Cryptic Command
Blood Moon
Doubling Season
Green entwine card that makes your lands 2/2 and untap them
Molten Diaster
Tooth and Nail
City of Brass
Glimmervoid
Red thing that has suspend 9 and you sac permanents to remove counters
Gifts Ungiven
No, all 15 Mythics are now known. 5 Kamigawa Dragons, Bob/Goyf/Clique/Kiki/Elspeth, SoLaS, SoFaI, Sarkhan, Progenitus, Shackles.
Someone just cracked an entire case, there's no sort of rarity screwing around going on here.
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Bob, Clique and Goyf will not go down at all. Hate to disappoint.
Any chance you can get lists of cards or pictures? Thanks for the spoilers btw
The FTV art isn't as good as the original, imho.
lol
What tuuuurrrrrrrible reprints those are
Those look mostly solid to me.
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