This entire game is reading like Az on ZDS from Redux2, and just as nasty.
Wouldn't that mean Megiddo is town?
Nasty fights that detract from the enjoyment of the game do not fall along team lines. Redux2's Az on ZDS was town on town, but the similar thing of Meg on me in MM5 was town on scum.
I meant to try to steer the game back towards cordiality, and the Az/ZDS thing is visible to all unlike my other example.
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Or flippant derisive comments?
If someone calls me awful, I reserve the right to call them awful in a tongue-in-cheek way.
Please just tone it down then?
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If I thought that Karn was town behaving in an anti-town manner, I'd say policy lynch him asap based off my experiences with MM7 (rundown for others: Town Jailor behaves ridiculously antitown, claims a PR on Day 1, gets soft counter-claimed by two of the other three town PRs, calls it a gambit and gets role-blocked for the rest of the game until his lynch on like Day 3 or 4).
But I don't think this is the case.
Then...what's town about what Karn's doing?
Additionally: What have you done in terms of casing somebody? All I remember is that you think Megiddo's scum for some dumb reason involving massclaims. I feel like you're coming to a lot of conclusions but not helping us understand why you've reached those. Maybe you should consider walking us through your thoughts instead of coasting along?
Honestly, I don't think I've done what could be called casing someone. That I've continued to prod along my own lines rather than purely echo those of others should be readily apparent. My conclusions are based off of my synthesis of the questions asked and answers given. Look to my posts, ask me why I'm asking a question or why I take a position and you'll get answers.
My weakest point is Karn. If you look at that, my position lies in a gut read. Maybe with time I could figure out how to articulate why, maybe not, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna get on that wagon.
As for Meg, it's far more than just the mass claims. I'll need to do a thorough reread to properly demonstrate my case on him. Forgive me for the time lag, but this will need to be interspersed into my daily schedule and responsibilities and will take a couple days to manage.
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Agreed.
Then would you like to point to how my posts are non-contributory, since Karn has refused to step up to the plate and back up his libel?
I would think the last 10 pages (at 15PPP) should be evidence themselves, but I shall try to keep track of this as well in my reread.
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Yeah, let's not spam the thread more. This game is already way too close to the atmosphere of MM5 for my liking.
At least it's not like MM6.
Hmmm, you could post role PMs in that game too... Coincidence?
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I was wavering slightly town on Voxx despite not understanding his reads.
This post thoroughly reverses that trend.
Come on, language guy, you of all people should be ashamed of how this is phrased. "That trend"? Does that mean you understand Voxx's reads now? Or is that referring to your view of Voxx/Raptor? If the latter, does the reversal refer to the town aspect of your read, the slight aspect of your read, or the wavering aspect of your read?
I'm going to assume you're not interested in the long lesson in the arbitrary nature of language and how it is inherently prone to semantic, lexical, and grammatical inadequacies (hit me up another time if you're interested tho :)).
The trend was that I found voxx to be townie even as his reads were stupefying. RR's posts are no less stupefying, but they don't read townie to me. The state of mind behind the composition doesn't mesh with the townie mindset.
I don't like any of Karn's arguments. It felt forced when it started, and the longer it goes on the more It feels like the looking at the Fat kid with chocolate smeared all over their face pointing at the anorexic exclaiming SHE ATE THE CHOCOLATE!
Its scummy at worst, irritatingly harmful as town at best. I don't agree with Rascals that Karn is trying to provide content, or if he is its going very poorly.
To demonstrate what I mean, look at this post. He comments on the case without contributing anything new. It's literally just peanut gallery. There's no supporting argument, there's no questions to try to get or provide more content. Instead it's a simple abstract with no defining features. It's a vessel to carry an opinion without any supporting details.
And it of course sparks a ridiculously fast wagon in its wake:
Just got to say, you've definitely earned distinction as an MTGS hero
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I dislike Karn's vote justification (just "this isn't omgus", c'mon guys, really? You're seriously voting Raptor over this guy?), but I'd have my eyes on the people who suddenly shifted to the easy wagon regardless of whether or not Karn were one of them. This swing in momentum is bad and we need to go back to lynching Karn.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Megiddo: are you actively trying to change meta this game? You're not usually this trolly/aloof in my experience, but I'm not getting a scum read from you. Also, the drills gif was amusing. I can't pretend to understand the joke, but it made me laugh anyway.
@everyone on the Rancid_Voxxicus wagon: are you on there because of how Voxx was playing, or because of RR's posts?
@Iso: you're pushing hard for the Karn wagon. Can you give me three reasons why you think he's scum?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sup. Iso is obvious scum for modding my other game. Now I got two games to read. (Psst, Hi Iso)
I thought I knew What I was doing signing up for two games.
I feel almost like I prematurely Blued myself.
Reading again, pretty sure Karn should stop fighting Meg if he wants to not be the Lynch. Meg is the strongest town read I have at the moment. Then again, I also have a headache.
I don't like any of Karn's arguments. It felt forced when it started, and the longer it goes on the more It feels like the looking at the Fat kid with chocolate smeared all over their face pointing at the anorexic exclaiming SHE ATE THE CHOCOLATE!
Its scummy at worst, irritatingly harmful as town at best. I don't agree with Rascals that Karn is trying to provide content, or if he is its going very poorly.
I half expected to get a few votes. seems liek when people replace in they tend to be easy mislynchs. was playing up, see who would jump on me.
reaserch is not my strongest point but here I go.
Karn: by far my scummiest read. He flip flops, chases stupid reasons and puts pressure in all the wrong ways. With all that going on its really hard to notice much else about anyone. Ethier scum thats super scared of an Iso Meg tag team, or disruptive town, and my choice for lynch toDay.
Xyre: Is actually genuinely scumhunting, and he should really ignore my last part directed at him as It was just a bad attempt to goad him. Hes put pressure in good places and hes read people pretty well, despite not always agreeing with them. I think hes really looking for peoples mindset in this game. He also really thinks voxx is scum.
Expired radicals:The only things Standing out right now are his defending karn. To say karn is putting up content is way too much of a streach. I don't like him, After all he said a few times he has only Gut to defend karn, no actual reasons. Its one of the reasons in my post I directed at him saying I think karn wasn't putting in any content.
Meg: I'm mostly amazed so many people have called you HE this game. I mean iso's sig is RIGHT THERE. You seem pretty relaxed, not like your in control, but that you have your reads and your content to stay your course. You put pressure here and there and move around to goad reactions, will the latter isn't nessicarily town, I feel you are. (your not my strongest town read. I was just fed up of reading tons of angry karn posts)
iso:... hes just being Iso from other games I've read of him.
Paranoid:I get the feeling of general scum hunting. A question here and there and some follow ups. But I don't like thier predicessor Pikachugundam. But to be fair, so far thats the only thing Dragging paranoid down in my reads.
Karn: by far my scummiest read. He flip flops, chases stupid reasons and puts pressure in all the wrong ways. With all that going on its really hard to notice much else about anyone. Ethier scum thats super scared of an Iso Meg tag team, or disruptive town, and my choice for lynch toDay.
You're using flip-flopping as a reason to think someone is scum? After you just flip-flopped away? You still can't just decide on saying that I'm scum, you even say I'm possibly town, but say I'm your lynch for toDay anyway.
Using my posts as an excuse for saying you can't read anyone else is ridiculous.
Xyre: Is actually genuinely scumhunting, and he should really ignore my last part directed at him as It was just a bad attempt to goad him. Hes put pressure in good places and hes read people pretty well, despite not always agreeing with them. I think hes really looking for peoples mindset in this game. He also really thinks voxx is scum.
You agree that Xyre pressures in good places and reads people well, and you recognize that he thinks you/Voxx are scum. Fantastic.
You seem pretty relaxed, not like your in control, but that you have your reads and your content to stay your course. You put pressure here and there and move around to goad reactions, will the latter isn't nessicarily town, I feel you are. (your not my strongest town read. I was just fed up of reading tons of angry karn posts)
Goading reactions isn't necessarily town? Didn't you just say you were trying to goad Xyre...
Who is your strongest town read if it suddenly isn't Meg?
Zionite: I know why now I didn't have a read on you. You've barely done anything. The first string of posts are "NO DON' DO DAT TO KARN!", then some more Karn defending... some more Karn defending. Then some Arien Defending. Then some disagreeing with Xyre. Then hoping my bandwagon using Meg's reason and not really anything of his own accord like Xyre and Paranoid. I'm pretty sure Zionite is scum.
Arianrhod: His literal fourth post of the game is "Oh cool karn, thats how you play? Seems legit. I wil now ignore everything you do and let you do whatever Because Thats how you said you play." Is by far the scummiest post he has. forgetting the fact that its karn. If anyoen had said that It would read scummy for him to respond that way. He does very little other then lurk, be non commital and then say "Guize real life nao. brb lol k?" leaning scum.
He says Xyre puts pressure in good places and "reads people pretty well", but Raptor says he disagrees with the reads.
Why would Raptor say Xyre reads people well, while disagreeing with those reads? If I disagree with someone's reads, I don't think their reads are good.
This means Raptor knows the real alignments, and see's Xyre is reading well, but wants to disagree with them.
@ the part about Goading: I ment to say WHILE its not nessicarily town. but good try there karn. Not nessicarily town =/= Mafia
@xyre part: I never said I dissagreed with his reads. I said Xyre might dissagree with OTHER people's reads, but he can see the MINDSET that they a re doing it. He gives Vox a pass once (i think it was vox) because he could see HOW it was a town mindset.
Also If I wasn't Voxx's replacement I'd think Voxx was leaning scum too. I can't blame him for mistakes Voxx may of made. And for ones i make I can only blame me. Nice try though karn.
I think karn's upset I'm not OMGUSing everyone on my wagon.
People can be good players and have very strong reads and make a bad decision based on bad info. My entrence wasn't the best, so at that point It doesn't matter what Voxx did. I'm ready to answer for my own gambit there. i'm pretty sure I have two scum on me right now. Or One OMGUSer and one scum.
JeY K: Don't like it. Most interactions are "Woe is me Iso wants me dead." or "Karn plays really bad, so its okay guize, ignore him" Or a bunch of pointless interactions and far too many Text type emotes. scummy
Ghosting: null tell. He does some hunting, then does some lurking, dissapeared and I really have no clue what hes thinking or doing or why.
I'll be honest. I'm weary of Iso a tiny bit. He seems pretty confidant, and not sure in a good or bad way. but I'm willing to give him a pass simply as I've already got too many scummy suspects, and hes less scummy then them. I'd put him more Neutral for now for simplicities sake.
AtheistGod: Null tell. But I don't like how he claimed. Karn even claimed better then that. Doesnt' defend himself, says he'll be back tomarrow, Two days later still a no show.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I half expected to get a few votes. seems liek when people replace in they tend to be easy mislynchs. was playing up, see who would jump on me.
reaserch is not my strongest point but here I go.
Karn: by far my scummiest read. He flip flops, chases stupid reasons and puts pressure in all the wrong ways. With all that going on its really hard to notice much else about anyone. Ethier scum thats super scared of an Iso Meg tag team, or disruptive town, and my choice for lynch toDay.
Well at least now we have staked our flag on Karn being town.
Which reasons would you describe as "stupid?"
Xyre: Is actually genuinely scumhunting, and he should really ignore my last part directed at him as It was just a bad attempt to goad him. Hes put pressure in good places and hes read people pretty well, despite not always agreeing with them. I think hes really looking for peoples mindset in this game. He also really thinks voxx is scum.
Karn covered this one, but I'll restate: He's reads people "well," but you note that he reads you as scum without disputing this read.
Expired radicals:The only things Standing out right now are his defending karn. To say karn is putting up content is way too much of a streach. I don't like him, After all he said a few times he has only Gut to defend karn, no actual reasons. Its one of the reasons in my post I directed at him saying I think karn wasn't putting in any content.
Acceptable
Meg: I'm mostly amazed so many people have called you HE this game. I mean iso's sig is RIGHT THERE. You seem pretty relaxed, not like your in control, but that you have your reads and your content to stay your course. You put pressure here and there and move around to goad reactions, will the latter isn't nessicarily town, I feel you are. (your not my strongest town read. I was just fed up of reading tons of angry karn posts)
Acceptable, though I'm at the backpedal.
iso:... hes just being Iso from other games I've read of him.
Which games?
Paranoid:I get the feeling of general scum hunting. A question here and there and some follow ups. But I don't like thier predicessor Pikachugundam. But to be fair, so far thats the only thing Dragging paranoid down in my reads.
Zionite: I know why now I didn't have a read on you. You've barely done anything. The first string of posts are "NO DON' DO DAT TO KARN!", then some more Karn defending... some more Karn defending. Then some Arien Defending. Then some disagreeing with Xyre. Then hoping my bandwagon using Meg's reason and not really anything of his own accord like Xyre and Paranoid. I'm pretty sure Zionite is scum.
Please explain why the things you have listed make Zionite scum.
Arianrhod: His literal fourth post of the game is "Oh cool karn, thats how you play? Seems legit. I wil now ignore everything you do and let you do whatever Because Thats how you said you play." Is by far the scummiest post he has. forgetting the fact that its karn. If anyoen had said that It would read scummy for him to respond that way. He does very little other then lurk, be non commital and then say "Guize real life nao. brb lol k?" leaning scum.
Do you not believe that he had real life issues?
What is your feeling on the reason I declared him scum earlier in the game?
JeY K: Don't like it. Most interactions are "Woe is me Iso wants me dead." or "Karn plays really bad, so its okay guize, ignore him" Or a bunch of pointless interactions and far too many Text type emotes. scummy
Acceptable
Ghosting: null tell. He does some hunting, then does some lurking, dissapeared and I really have no clue what hes thinking or doing or why.
AtheistGod: Null tell. But I don't like how he claimed. Karn even claimed better then that. Doesnt' defend himself, says he'll be back tomarrow, Two days later still a no show.
Now that you realize he hasn't claimed anything, you have said literally nothing about this person. Rectify this.
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parinoid
Xyre
Megiddo
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Your in a catagory by yourself. you get in and out of situations with very little said, you have confidance and are staying pretty aloof. Its not ringing warning bells or giving good vibes. Its just... I can't articulate what it is, so its in Null for simplicities sake.
Getting on iso for mass claim, Jumping you for "pulling a shark" then suddenly a bunch of posts later going back to it and saying "YOUR FULL OF **** MEGG!" The only way I see him town is if hes extreme tunnelvisioning you and iso. Which is why Even if hes not scum, I feel its hurting town more then anything as hes not really commenting that much about other people and so its more of a Policy lynch.
@ Xyre
My entrence was bad. Mind I had a huge headache and felt dizy, but I felt I should type something. So if hes basing it off that, its a bad moment. Plus even though after that point I posted like an idiot as a gambit, It was kind of a bad gambit. Gambits of any kind are risks, sometimes you get the wrong feedback. I'm much more lucid now then I was when I came in.
@iso
some old ones I don't remember the name. the one I do remember is MTGS Redux or something similar.
@Pikachu
exactly, he didn't do anything. And the random "I'm Done /replace" I didn't like.
@ AthiestGod
I don't feel I have much to go on with him, especialy since most of what I actually said on him was him quoting Arien, for some reason for Agod I was reading thier names the same.
Oh the Zinote thing: No scum hunting. All hes doing is defending the plaer. I see it as most likely defending his scum buddies so he doesn't have to continue the next days alone, or maybe saving karn and Arien for some easy busing later for town cred.
on Arien: not saying He doesn't have real life things. But the constant consistency of it, and (might of read this wrong) but its usualy JUST as he comes under some pressure.
Getting on iso for mass claim, Jumping you for "pulling a shark" then suddenly a bunch of posts later going back to it and saying "YOUR FULL OF **** MEGG!" The only way I see him town is if hes extreme tunnelvisioning you and iso. Which is why Even if hes not scum, I feel its hurting town more then anything as hes not really commenting that much about other people and so its more of a Policy lynch.
I went "aaaaaahhhhh" out loud because a few of my brain cells died.
You completely didn't understand that conversation at all.
I didn't "jump Meg for 'pulling a shark'". I got onto him because he wouldn't answer a simple question of mine.
I was saying Meg was full of **** about "coining the term", because I've seen the term before and I know that he didn't just make it up.
Again with you saying that you think it's likely that I'm town but want to lynch me anyway. You've said that every time you mention me - around four times now.
@ Xyre
My entrence was bad. Mind I had a huge headache and felt dizy, but I felt I should type something. So if hes basing it off that, its a bad moment. Plus even though after that point I posted like an idiot as a gambit, It was kind of a bad gambit. Gambits of any kind are risks, sometimes you get the wrong feedback. I'm much more lucid now then I was when I came in.
@Megs:
Why have you not said anything about Xyre's multiple PBPAs this game?
You have gone on record before saying that you think all PBPAs are scummy and a huge red flag to you.
My thoughts on Macius at this point are largely confused. He made a very Shark-esque "random/scum post," and then drew immediate fire for it. I don't like his claim, but I also don't like the speed with which the wagon built -- I mean, we're not even to page 10 yet. Void's points are largely good ones, but there's just so little to go off of that I'm not sure I'm comfortable lynching Macius at this point. I also tend to be an analysis-style player, so that may explain my discomfort.
That may be what I'm thinking of. (And no, Shark was not in that game. "Sharking" or "pulling a Shark" is obviously a known term around this site if Arian was able to make that statement and have everyone understand.)
When I heard you say "pulling a Shark" it sounded familiar, but I couldn't remember what it meant, so I asked you instead of searching through a bunch of games.
Nasty fights that detract from the enjoyment of the game do not fall along team lines. Redux2's Az on ZDS was town on town, but the similar thing of Meg on me in MM5 was town on scum.
I meant to try to steer the game back towards cordiality, and the Az/ZDS thing is visible to all unlike my other example.
Please just tone it down then?
Honestly, I don't think I've done what could be called casing someone. That I've continued to prod along my own lines rather than purely echo those of others should be readily apparent. My conclusions are based off of my synthesis of the questions asked and answers given. Look to my posts, ask me why I'm asking a question or why I take a position and you'll get answers.
My weakest point is Karn. If you look at that, my position lies in a gut read. Maybe with time I could figure out how to articulate why, maybe not, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna get on that wagon.
As for Meg, it's far more than just the mass claims. I'll need to do a thorough reread to properly demonstrate my case on him. Forgive me for the time lag, but this will need to be interspersed into my daily schedule and responsibilities and will take a couple days to manage.
I would think the last 10 pages (at 15PPP) should be evidence themselves, but I shall try to keep track of this as well in my reread.
Hmmm, you could post role PMs in that game too... Coincidence?
I'm going to assume you're not interested in the long lesson in the arbitrary nature of language and how it is inherently prone to semantic, lexical, and grammatical inadequacies (hit me up another time if you're interested tho :)).
The trend was that I found voxx to be townie even as his reads were stupefying. RR's posts are no less stupefying, but they don't read townie to me. The state of mind behind the composition doesn't mesh with the townie mindset.
To demonstrate what I mean, look at this post. He comments on the case without contributing anything new. It's literally just peanut gallery. There's no supporting argument, there's no questions to try to get or provide more content. Instead it's a simple abstract with no defining features. It's a vessel to carry an opinion without any supporting details.
And it of course sparks a ridiculously fast wagon in its wake:
Note that all three were consecutive posts by players who were invested in other lynch options.
If Karn were not on it, would your appraisal of the wagon's validity differ?
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso: I don't know about sanity but I am staying off of this wagon.
Sir Karn (3) - Iso, Megiddo, Ghosting
Arianrhod (3) - JeY K, Voxxicus, ExpiredRascals
Rancid Raptor (4) - Xyre, Zionite, Sir Karn, parinoid
Not Voting (2) - Arianrhod, AtheistGod
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch!
@Megiddo: are you actively trying to change meta this game? You're not usually this trolly/aloof in my experience, but I'm not getting a scum read from you. Also, the drills gif was amusing. I can't pretend to understand the joke, but it made me laugh anyway.
@everyone on the Rancid_Voxxicus wagon: are you on there because of how Voxx was playing, or because of RR's posts?
@Iso: you're pushing hard for the Karn wagon. Can you give me three reasons why you think he's scum?
@ER: why do you think I'm scum?
Provide more catch up content please.
Overall play and demeanor, jump on to Raptor's wagon, "everyone is scum".
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Xyrie
What about that is so damming. Only Two (three posts now) in and you think you have such a solid read on me huh?
well I'm fine putting money where my mouth is.
unvote, Vote Karn Oh by the way, This is sooooo not OMGUS.
It's Hip to be a Square
The whole "Iso is pushing a massclaim" thing.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I have explicitly named multiple town reads on my T/S. So your "everyone is scum" is crap.
Like Meg just said, you've been on me all game, so the Raptor jump doesn't give good reason for your previous behavior (and wouldn't anyway).
"Overall play and demeanor" is... extremely vague and nonspecific.
This all wraps up to sounding like all you have is your gut on me.
No your not
WAIT YOU ARE,
nah
WAIT MEG ISO SCUM TEAM!!111!!!1
Is seriosuly no one else actually Reading Karn's posts?
It's Hip to be a Square
Duely noted. I'll mature up a bit. I just thought simplier was best.
It's Hip to be a Square
Give me a full t/s list, with reasons.
Really?
That's what you consider "a good grasp of the game state already."?
All he has said is:
"Karn is scum. Maybe. Probably. Could go either way. ****, there's a wagon on me? I'll vote Karn."
and
"Meg is the strongest town read" - to which you even objected by saying you don't know how you're anyone's strongest town read.
reaserch is not my strongest point but here I go.
Karn: by far my scummiest read. He flip flops, chases stupid reasons and puts pressure in all the wrong ways. With all that going on its really hard to notice much else about anyone. Ethier scum thats super scared of an Iso Meg tag team, or disruptive town, and my choice for lynch toDay.
Xyre: Is actually genuinely scumhunting, and he should really ignore my last part directed at him as It was just a bad attempt to goad him. Hes put pressure in good places and hes read people pretty well, despite not always agreeing with them. I think hes really looking for peoples mindset in this game. He also really thinks voxx is scum.
Expired radicals:The only things Standing out right now are his defending karn. To say karn is putting up content is way too much of a streach. I don't like him, After all he said a few times he has only Gut to defend karn, no actual reasons. Its one of the reasons in my post I directed at him saying I think karn wasn't putting in any content.
Meg: I'm mostly amazed so many people have called you HE this game. I mean iso's sig is RIGHT THERE. You seem pretty relaxed, not like your in control, but that you have your reads and your content to stay your course. You put pressure here and there and move around to goad reactions, will the latter isn't nessicarily town, I feel you are. (your not my strongest town read. I was just fed up of reading tons of angry karn posts)
iso:... hes just being Iso from other games I've read of him.
Paranoid:I get the feeling of general scum hunting. A question here and there and some follow ups. But I don't like thier predicessor Pikachugundam. But to be fair, so far thats the only thing Dragging paranoid down in my reads.
I'll do some on the rest in a bit.
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Backpedaling after you get run up. Pulling the "woe is me" card because you say people get lynched when they replace in (hint: they don't).
You're using flip-flopping as a reason to think someone is scum? After you just flip-flopped away? You still can't just decide on saying that I'm scum, you even say I'm possibly town, but say I'm your lynch for toDay anyway.
Using my posts as an excuse for saying you can't read anyone else is ridiculous.
You agree that Xyre pressures in good places and reads people well, and you recognize that he thinks you/Voxx are scum. Fantastic.
Meg is a man. Iso's sig is jokes.
Goading reactions isn't necessarily town? Didn't you just say you were trying to goad Xyre...
Who is your strongest town read if it suddenly isn't Meg?
Way to not say anything.
Arianrhod: His literal fourth post of the game is "Oh cool karn, thats how you play? Seems legit. I wil now ignore everything you do and let you do whatever Because Thats how you said you play." Is by far the scummiest post he has. forgetting the fact that its karn. If anyoen had said that It would read scummy for him to respond that way. He does very little other then lurk, be non commital and then say "Guize real life nao. brb lol k?" leaning scum.
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He says Xyre puts pressure in good places and "reads people pretty well", but Raptor says he disagrees with the reads.
Why would Raptor say Xyre reads people well, while disagreeing with those reads? If I disagree with someone's reads, I don't think their reads are good.
This means Raptor knows the real alignments, and see's Xyre is reading well, but wants to disagree with them.
@ the part about Goading: I ment to say WHILE its not nessicarily town. but good try there karn. Not nessicarily town =/= Mafia
@xyre part: I never said I dissagreed with his reads. I said Xyre might dissagree with OTHER people's reads, but he can see the MINDSET that they a re doing it. He gives Vox a pass once (i think it was vox) because he could see HOW it was a town mindset.
Also If I wasn't Voxx's replacement I'd think Voxx was leaning scum too. I can't blame him for mistakes Voxx may of made. And for ones i make I can only blame me. Nice try though karn.
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People can be good players and have very strong reads and make a bad decision based on bad info. My entrence wasn't the best, so at that point It doesn't matter what Voxx did. I'm ready to answer for my own gambit there. i'm pretty sure I have two scum on me right now. Or One OMGUSer and one scum.
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Ghosting: null tell. He does some hunting, then does some lurking, dissapeared and I really have no clue what hes thinking or doing or why.
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Most likely town
parinoid
Xyre
Megiddo
Null
Iso
Ghosting
Scummish
Atheist God
ExpiredRascals
JeY K
My top three pics.
Arianrhod
Sir Karn
Zionite
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/barn Xyre regarding prod/replace.
Scratch that, Your right, I read that wrong. It was not Agod. Move him down to null.
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Iso
Ghosting
Atheist God
Scummish
ExpiredRascals
JeY K
Heres that part edited.
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Given that I didn't feel like going back and reading specific posts to reference, that's about as non-vague my answer was going to get.
You're really grasping at straws, here.
@Raptor: Do you seriously not have a legitimate read on me?
And @ the wall of Raptor.
I think Raptor is bumbling town.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Getting on iso for mass claim, Jumping you for "pulling a shark" then suddenly a bunch of posts later going back to it and saying "YOUR FULL OF **** MEGG!" The only way I see him town is if hes extreme tunnelvisioning you and iso. Which is why Even if hes not scum, I feel its hurting town more then anything as hes not really commenting that much about other people and so its more of a Policy lynch.
@ Xyre
My entrence was bad. Mind I had a huge headache and felt dizy, but I felt I should type something. So if hes basing it off that, its a bad moment. Plus even though after that point I posted like an idiot as a gambit, It was kind of a bad gambit. Gambits of any kind are risks, sometimes you get the wrong feedback. I'm much more lucid now then I was when I came in.
@iso
some old ones I don't remember the name. the one I do remember is MTGS Redux or something similar.
@Pikachu
exactly, he didn't do anything. And the random "I'm Done /replace" I didn't like.
@ AthiestGod
I don't feel I have much to go on with him, especialy since most of what I actually said on him was him quoting Arien, for some reason for Agod I was reading thier names the same.
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on Arien: not saying He doesn't have real life things. But the constant consistency of it, and (might of read this wrong) but its usualy JUST as he comes under some pressure.
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I went "aaaaaahhhhh" out loud because a few of my brain cells died.
You completely didn't understand that conversation at all.
I didn't "jump Meg for 'pulling a shark'". I got onto him because he wouldn't answer a simple question of mine.
I was saying Meg was full of **** about "coining the term", because I've seen the term before and I know that he didn't just make it up.
Again with you saying that you think it's likely that I'm town but want to lynch me anyway. You've said that every time you mention me - around four times now.
lol.
Hey Meg.
Still dodging this.
easy quid pro quo.
is this at me? And what specificly?
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ughhh. I hate searching.
Here's one:
That may be what I'm thinking of. (And no, Shark was not in that game. "Sharking" or "pulling a Shark" is obviously a known term around this site if Arian was able to make that statement and have everyone understand.)
When I heard you say "pulling a Shark" it sounded familiar, but I couldn't remember what it meant, so I asked you instead of searching through a bunch of games.