Town
Iso - I was convinced he was scum, but his catch of Wheat_Grinder totally changed my perspective here.
Teia - I find it difficult not to automatically assumed Teia's scum because she has been in the majority of games I've played with her. However, her points so far have been logical and I'm not seeing malicious intent.
KK - My initial read on him was down to stubbornness and defensiveness. He's been actively scum hunting though, so I'm going to put his initial behavior down to meta.
Neutral
GM - Leaning town but I need to see more content.
Arcadic - Null read, again content.
Void - Null read, content.
Jay - Leaning scum, but I've not seen quite enough to incriminate him yet. 180 is some pretty hard distancing from hansanator though.
Scum
Wheat_Grinder - Iso covered this nicely in 185. Also, and this is speculative so take it with a pinch of salt - if scum had pregame chat this game, he would know whether or not hansanator actually is a bomb, and if he's not then Wheat can safely offer to be the one to hammer him in an attempt to score town points.
hansanator - His claim just doesn't make sense, and his saying that Meg didn't respond to his PM pretty much sealed it.
I've been suspicious since he became part of the Jay13x fan club. He jumped on your vote five posts after mine (#s 120 and 125 for reference), and has been nothing but on my side. It's not that I don't appreciate it, but that seems like a strategy to get me to agree with him.
My response is to back off you until I get a clearer picture. Focusing on Hansanator seems like a better option right now.
Also I disagree with Wheat's assessment that Jay is town owing to this post. If anything, the recent flavour gaming has put him back on my radar as a scum suspect.
You and Iso picked up that topic, I was just commenting on the fact that if you are going to flavor game, there are bigger tells than 'ice'.
Scummy Jay - Because of the post (95) where he seemed certain Arcadic was "good," still need the reason.
This seems like a purposeful misread of what I said.
My comment was only that Arcadic's post was suspicious, I only meant 'good' as in town, as in 'That's a weird statement coming from someone who is supposed to be town'. That was caught by someone else and clarified on the same page.
Jay - Leaning scum, but I've not seen quite enough to incriminate him yet. 180 is some pretty hard distancing from hansanator though.
I'm not sure what you mean by distancing. I've been pretty clear I'm extremely suspicious of hansanator up until this point, to the point of being willing to be the one to hammer him and test this 'aftermath' ability of his.
Nothing in particular has jumped out to me so far, and the one post that GM flagged as potentially odd I interpreted as no wanting to throw your vote around too much. Having read over your posts I don't see any scum intentions behind them, so I'm reading you as town.
So you were being sarcastic, Jay? What is your read of Arcadic overall?
He didn't ask you to confirm or deny if you were VT, how is his post fishing (the one quoted in 95)?
also, fair ria, I assume the other game you were talking about was Meg's Avatars?
Iso, ok, what's changed? I think it was Wheat who characterizied Teia's meta as durdly town and insightful questioning scum, which was true in the MM games, but I had a hard time figuring out how to act as town after starting as scum as well. Is your changing read of Teia still informed by that meta read?
BV - There's a list of all the players in the first post in case you feel like doing another T/S list some time Your list is pretty fantastically mediocre, being everyone's two major scum reads of the day and "null read; content" for people like Void who have made some gigantic posts. What does it mean to put KK's "initial behavior down to meta?" This sounds like a confused paraphrase of my read on KK.
Scum
Wheat_Grinder - Iso covered this nicely in 185. Also, and this is speculative so take it with a pinch of salt - if scum had pregame chat this game, he would know whether or not hansanator actually is a bomb, and if he's not then Wheat can safely offer to be the one to hammer him in an attempt to score town points.
The underlined portion makes no sense. There is no way that scum wheat would know what my role is or is not, unless the mafia had the ability to rolecop people pre-game. The other option is that we are scumbuddies, which I am 100% positive we are not, given the fact that I am town. If I were scum, I would have come up with a much more believable claim than a 2-shot commuting bomb.
The reason he doubts my claim is because of how hilariously OP it is, but he will be in for a rude awakening when he does hammer.
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So you were being sarcastic, Jay? What is your read of Arcadic overall?
Arcadic has been room temperature the whole game. Sometime this week, I'll get a chance to update my lists and I'll post them as soon as that happens. Today I don't have time to do a detailed reading of what's happened since my last post.
He didn't ask you to confirm or deny if you were VT, how is his post fishing (the one quoted in 95)?
I said 'suspiciously like fishing', not fishing. Calling me a Vanilla Townie seemed like an invitation for a newbie to say something about myself that I shouldn't.
Fair enough. I was just curious as to why I was left off of it.
Spoiler alert: I'm not scum.
White isn't invisitext, but please don't (near)invisitext anyway.
I didn't notice this because I have Dark Blue background but what ria said. I could've sworn there was a rule against this somewhere but I can't find it right now.
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As a note: If BlackVise is scum, his buddies can be found among Teia, GM, Senator Han, Jay, and Wheat.
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@GM: I drew a line of progression in my head from previous townTeia to current townTeia through her experience in her 3-4 completed games and it makes sense to me that she would be playing like so as town. She's learning.
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I'm going to make my reads very clear in order that they appear in the OP:
Arcadic is town, period.
BlackVise is null. He's done scummy things and he's done townie things. The strangest part of his behavior was his jump from my wagon (with terrible reasoning) to Wheat (as a /barn of me).
Gerrard's Mom is leaning town after his goodpost, but don't discount the possibility that he's scum.
hansanator is scum. That claim and lying about Megiddo responding regarding his PM =
Jay13x is someone I'm uncertain about. I don't put stock in his question about the scum team, and I don't feel compelled by his argumentation overall.
kaburi is town, period.
KoolKoal is leaning town after I watched his implosion earlier. scumKK is a little more whiny when he's been caught and sort of withers up and crumbles away - this is not what he's done here.
rianalnn is town, period.
Teia Rabishu is probably town. See my reasoning to GM for why.
Void is town, period.
Wheat_Grinder is probably scum. He can't keep his story straight (and hasn't been able to adequately respond to my concerns about his play) and is pushing me because he is a self-proclaimed psychic.
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So yeah, when we hit Night, I'll do a review of momentum and wagons and vote shifts and all that good stuff and post it come Day 2.
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Wheat_Grinder is probably scum. He can't keep his story straight (and hasn't been able to adequately respond to my concerns about his play) and is pushing me because he is a self-proclaimed psychic.
I won't argue that my story is straight because it wasn't, but my reasoning on why your statement does not make sense was clear. If you're referring to my reasoning as to why that makes you scum, that's not me being psychic, that's me having experience with how you play.
If I die, don't let Iso poo-poo my case away. If you ignore everything else I said this game, DO NOT IGNORE THAT.
Fair, Jay, that is a good point about calling you vanilla.
Arcadic, why do you think Jay is vanilla?
I'm not answering this question.
I don't have much to say other than we should end the day with Wheat as the lynching vote. There is zero chance that both Wheat and Hans are telling the truth about their roles. There's an even more zero chance that Iso's ability does what it sounds like.
I have some other scum reads, but i'm keeping them in my hat for now. The only thing i am sure of is that Jay is town.
Everyone is onboard with the lynch plan with no real objections, its time to end the day. Please place a vote carefully to be sure wheat is the lynch.
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hansanator (5): Arcadic; Teia Rabishu; KoolKoal; kaburi; Iso
Iso (2): Jay13x; Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (2): Void; BlackVise
Not Voting (3): hansanator; rianalnn; Gerrard's Mom
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Reminder: Please make all votes on new lines! This makes it much easier for me to process them.
All I see since this is that Jay switched to hans and KK unvoted to keep him at L-2. I'll wait for mod confirmation of that, but it looks like at least ria, KK, and I are willing to be vote #6. Wheat says he has more posting to do tonight, so we mise wait for that anyway.
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You are still not answering despite the fact that I've made my question quite clear. Since you insist on playing with semantics: Why are you 95% sure Wheat will die when he hammers you?
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You are still not answering despite the fact that I've made my question quite clear. Since you insist on playing with semantics: Why are you 95% sure Wheat will die when he hammers you?
See, this is a completely different question than what was originally asked. Thank you for asking this new question because I found your responses to my previous answer somewhat confusing.
As I stated earlier, I reread my role pm. The way that it is worded makes me almost certain that I would kill anyone who hammers a lynch on me or night kills me. The closest that I can get to saying what my ability does without quoting is that after I die, I kill whoever was responsible for my death.
Both the last person to vote me and the person who would night kill me seem to be the person responsible for my death, and that is how I came to the conclusion that I am 95% certain that Wheat will die when he hammers me.
The 5% doubt that I have is because my PM doesn't specifically say: "You will kill the last person to to lynch you" or "You will kill anyone who targets you with a night kill"
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Jay - Leaning scum, but I've not seen quite enough to incriminate him yet. 180 is some pretty hard distancing from hansanator though.
I'm not sure what you mean by distancing. I've been pretty clear I'm extremely suspicious of hansanator up until this point, to the point of being willing to be the one to hammer him and test this 'aftermath' ability of his.
Are you asking what I mean by distancing or why I think you've been doing that?
I know what you mean by it, I'm wondering why you thought I was doing that.
I don't believe hans' claim anyway, but Wheat's volunteered, and I have a scum read on him, so I figure he can do it.
Also I disagree with Wheat's assessment that Jay is town owing to this post. If anything, the recent flavour gaming has put him back on my radar as a scum suspect. Noteworthy that outside of Iso, Jay was also Wheat's only unqualified strong read. The rest had a lot of "town if X" or "scum if Y" plus uncertainty going on (ria was in the town column but the description said it was a gut feeling).
I'm hoping that I flip either by hammering hans or by the hands of the scum toNight. If I do flip, that will prove my belief that Jay is town.
Wheat_Grinder - RE: claim, maybe he was just reflavoring his scum kill as a vig shot? I don't feel he ever satisfactorily resolved the inconsistency between pushing Teia and not pushing me, when he was following Iso's recommendations without knowing either of our scum metas.
I wasn't following Iso's recommendations on Teia. I knew about Teia's meta from elsewhere.
@Iso: Why do you think GM is town, but didn't earlier? Before you answer it how I know you'll answer it, I specifically want to know what was within his scum meta (which I still either don't know or don't remember, depending on whether you've posted it) before, and what he has done that makes you think he has overcome that.
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I wasn't following Iso's recommendations on Teia. I knew about Teia's meta from elsewhere.
This is your won't-talk-about-GIP solid meta read. Why are we talking meta when the player in question has like 4 games on her belt & is intelligent enough to learn from her mistakes?
Oh I missed that Jay unvoted. So I'll make it 6 on hans
Vote hansanator
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So Iso is arguing that my scum meta is to be cautious and self-conscious, but thinks that as town I should self-consciously unvote when BV naths my RVS vote? Does not compute.
I think this is the observation Iso was talking about, Wheat
Iso's cases aren't required to make sense
My god people. It's called work and gets in the way some times. I had a GIP that needed my attention yesterday so this game was on the back burner. I was hoping to have time to post content yesterday, but that was not the case. I know what I need to respond too and it is coming. In the mean time, please, back off.
@GM: Why are assuming that I don’t want to provide content? I made that post because I got too busy yesterday to provide content because of a GIP, but letting the Mod know that I am still active.
@Ria: I don’t know how you were missing this post from Iso, but here it is:
Also, you mean to tell me that your strongest read early game was on Teia...whose scum meta you've never seen before...based on her scum meta...and yet you were unwilling to vote GM...whose scum meta you've never seen before...because you don't know his scum meta?
So, I ask, once again, what is the point of me paraphrasing the above when the information is readily available ITT? It seems like you’re trying to get me to do something that is pointless.
Scummiest player should be the one who hammers hansanator. For me, other than hansanator, that would be Wheaties.
Ftr, I don't believe hansanators claim.
EWP: I was going to vote for hansantor when I noticed that GM just did. hansanator is L-1.
Your post was vague, & seemed to be saying you agreed with something that wasn't there. & as I said, I wanted to know specifically what you thought you were barning.
If you were agreeing with Iso about Wheat's metaread on Teia/Moms, that makes sense to me.
But your post didn't read that way to me. "I'm with Iso re: Teia's meta"; it looked like you were agreeing with a call Iso made on Teia's meta, while what he's really discussing is Wheat's play.
I'm officially off the Iso train. Based on the interactions between Wheat and Iso, they're either scum geniuses (in which case, applause), or they are legitimately on opposite sides of this argument.
I looked at interaction pairs between the three most suspicious individuals (Hans, Iso and Wheat), and here's what I came up with:
Iso's voting history with Hansanator is too real for them to be working together.
Wheat, on the other hand, has agreed with suspicion on Hansanator but never pressed the issue.
Hansanator hasn't vote for anyone. One of these three is lying, and unfortunately without more information we're going nowhere.
Also, everyone should keep an eye on Teia "Choo Choo Train" Rabishu and exactly when she voted. I'll have to do more research 'tonight', but she's a strong suspect.
If Hans flips Town, I think Iso is scum. He's been driving a lot of this Hansanator Train.
If Hans flips Scum, it's much more likely that Wheat is also scum, since he hasn't moved off of Iso.
Scummiest player should be the one who hammers hansanator. For me, other than hansanator, that would be Wheaties.
Ftr, I don't believe hansanators claim.
EWP: I was going to vote for hansantor when I noticed that GM just did. hansanator is L-1.
Our scenarios go like this:
We kill Han Scum, and lose Wheat Town (possible)
We kill Han Town, and kill Wheat Scum (unlikely)
We kill Han Scum, and kill Wheat Scum (never going to happen)
We kill Han Town, and kill Wheat Town (possible)
We kill Han Scum who is lying (possible)
We kill Han Town who is lying (possible)
Town isn't going to come out on top with that math. We'll settle the Iso/Wheat question either way depending on what Han flips, based on their interactions and their unwillingness/zeal to lynch him.
Feel free to berate me now. I actually feel a little sick. I don't mind screwing up in the short-term games I'm used to, but wow a mislynch must feel terrible after weeks of debating.
...wait, Jay, did you just hammer? I thought we were making wheat hammer????
You get over mislynch guilt pretty quickly after you do it five or six times. (See MM7 for the spectacular mislynches of KK and TK [which was debated for MONTHS], and of course the game-ending mislynch of Rai.)
...wait, Jay, did you just hammer? I thought we were making wheat hammer????
You get over mislynch guilt pretty quickly after you do it five or six times. (See MM7 for the spectacular mislynches of KK and TK [which was debated for MONTHS], and of course the game-ending mislynch of Rai.)
I did hammer, and for one specific reason: I have Mold Breaker, so if Hansanator does have aftermath, it does nothing to me.
I am sure, as per usual, somebody will piss me off, & reap the quadpost armageddon.
I am wary of what happened in MM6, but I don't feel like I'm holding back or anything.
White isn't invisitext, but please don't (near)invisitext anyway.
No read on me?
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I'll do it, if necessary. I don't believe him about his ability.
Unvote Hans (For the purpose of hammering if necessary, I assume that's how it works, right? I need to unvote and then be the seventh person to vote?)
I've been suspicious since he became part of the Jay13x fan club. He jumped on your vote five posts after mine (#s 120 and 125 for reference), and has been nothing but on my side. It's not that I don't appreciate it, but that seems like a strategy to get me to agree with him.
My response is to back off you until I get a clearer picture. Focusing on Hansanator seems like a better option right now.
Now, obviously (or more accurately my previous post).
You and Iso picked up that topic, I was just commenting on the fact that if you are going to flavor game, there are bigger tells than 'ice'.
This seems like a purposeful misread of what I said.
My comment was only that Arcadic's post was suspicious, I only meant 'good' as in town, as in 'That's a weird statement coming from someone who is supposed to be town'. That was caught by someone else and clarified on the same page.
I'm not sure what you mean by distancing. I've been pretty clear I'm extremely suspicious of hansanator up until this point, to the point of being willing to be the one to hammer him and test this 'aftermath' ability of his.
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You also forgot ria.
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He didn't ask you to confirm or deny if you were VT, how is his post fishing (the one quoted in 95)?
Iso, ok, what's changed? I think it was Wheat who characterizied Teia's meta as durdly town and insightful questioning scum, which was true in the MM games, but I had a hard time figuring out how to act as town after starting as scum as well. Is your changing read of Teia still informed by that meta read?
BV - There's a list of all the players in the first post in case you feel like doing another T/S list some time Your list is pretty fantastically mediocre, being everyone's two major scum reads of the day and "null read; content" for people like Void who have made some gigantic posts. What does it mean to put KK's "initial behavior down to meta?" This sounds like a confused paraphrase of my read on KK.
The underlined portion makes no sense. There is no way that scum wheat would know what my role is or is not, unless the mafia had the ability to rolecop people pre-game. The other option is that we are scumbuddies, which I am 100% positive we are not, given the fact that I am town. If I were scum, I would have come up with a much more believable claim than a 2-shot commuting bomb.
The reason he doubts my claim is because of how hilariously OP it is, but he will be in for a rude awakening when he does hammer.
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Arcadic has been room temperature the whole game. Sometime this week, I'll get a chance to update my lists and I'll post them as soon as that happens. Today I don't have time to do a detailed reading of what's happened since my last post.
I said 'suspiciously like fishing', not fishing. Calling me a Vanilla Townie seemed like an invitation for a newbie to say something about myself that I shouldn't.
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I didn't notice this because I have Dark Blue background but what ria said. I could've sworn there was a rule against this somewhere but I can't find it right now.
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As a note: If BlackVise is scum, his buddies can be found among Teia, GM, Senator Han, Jay, and Wheat.
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@GM: I drew a line of progression in my head from previous townTeia to current townTeia through her experience in her 3-4 completed games and it makes sense to me that she would be playing like so as town. She's learning.
How do you know? You said Megs wouldn't confirm.
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Arcadic, why do you think Jay is vanilla?
hans, pretty sure BV is suggesting the "scumbuddies" option there.
Arcadic is town, period.
BlackVise is null. He's done scummy things and he's done townie things. The strangest part of his behavior was his jump from my wagon (with terrible reasoning) to Wheat (as a /barn of me).
Gerrard's Mom is leaning town after his goodpost, but don't discount the possibility that he's scum.
hansanator is scum. That claim and lying about Megiddo responding regarding his PM =
Jay13x is someone I'm uncertain about. I don't put stock in his question about the scum team, and I don't feel compelled by his argumentation overall.
kaburi is town, period.
KoolKoal is leaning town after I watched his implosion earlier. scumKK is a little more whiny when he's been caught and sort of withers up and crumbles away - this is not what he's done here.
rianalnn is town, period.
Teia Rabishu is probably town. See my reasoning to GM for why.
Void is town, period.
Wheat_Grinder is probably scum. He can't keep his story straight (and hasn't been able to adequately respond to my concerns about his play) and is pushing me because he is a self-proclaimed psychic.
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So yeah, when we hit Night, I'll do a review of momentum and wagons and vote shifts and all that good stuff and post it come Day 2.
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I won't argue that my story is straight because it wasn't, but my reasoning on why your statement does not make sense was clear. If you're referring to my reasoning as to why that makes you scum, that's not me being psychic, that's me having experience with how you play.
If I die, don't let Iso poo-poo my case away. If you ignore everything else I said this game, DO NOT IGNORE THAT.
I'll post a bigger post this evening once I have time to make a big post; there's more stuff I wanted to comment on that I couldn't right now.
I'm not answering this question.
I don't have much to say other than we should end the day with Wheat as the lynching vote. There is zero chance that both Wheat and Hans are telling the truth about their roles. There's an even more zero chance that Iso's ability does what it sounds like.
I have some other scum reads, but i'm keeping them in my hat for now. The only thing i am sure of is that Jay is town.
Everyone is onboard with the lynch plan with no real objections, its time to end the day. Please place a vote carefully to be sure wheat is the lynch.
mod : Votecount please.
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Because I'm 95% certain that Wheat will die if he hammers me.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
He will be in for a rude awakening when he hammers me, and I know this because I am 95% certain that Wheat will die if he hammers me.
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Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
well fine then
All I see since this is that Jay switched to hans and KK unvoted to keep him at L-2. I'll wait for mod confirmation of that, but it looks like at least ria, KK, and I are willing to be vote #6. Wheat says he has more posting to do tonight, so we mise wait for that anyway.
I am sure because I am sure =/= answer
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Your question: How do you know (Wheat will be in for a rude awakening when he hammers [hansanator])?
My answer: Because (I'm 95% certain) Wheat will die upon hammering me.
I would think that Wheat dying because he didn't believe my claim = a rude awakening for Wheat.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
See, this is a completely different question than what was originally asked. Thank you for asking this new question because I found your responses to my previous answer somewhat confusing.
As I stated earlier, I reread my role pm. The way that it is worded makes me almost certain that I would kill anyone who hammers a lynch on me or night kills me. The closest that I can get to saying what my ability does without quoting is that after I die, I kill whoever was responsible for my death.
Both the last person to vote me and the person who would night kill me seem to be the person responsible for my death, and that is how I came to the conclusion that I am 95% certain that Wheat will die when he hammers me.
The 5% doubt that I have is because my PM doesn't specifically say: "You will kill the last person to to lynch you" or "You will kill anyone who targets you with a night kill"
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
In other news, BV's last post is weird.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I know what you mean by it, I'm wondering why you thought I was doing that.
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I'm hoping that I flip either by hammering hans or by the hands of the scum toNight. If I do flip, that will prove my belief that Jay is town.
I wasn't following Iso's recommendations on Teia. I knew about Teia's meta from elsewhere.
UNACCEPTABLE! /lemongrab
@Iso: Why do you think GM is town, but didn't earlier? Before you answer it how I know you'll answer it, I specifically want to know what was within his scum meta (which I still either don't know or don't remember, depending on whether you've posted it) before, and what he has done that makes you think he has overcome that.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
hansanator (4): Arcadic; Teia Rabishu; kaburi; Iso
Iso (1): Wheat_Grinder
Wheat_Grinder (2): Void; BlackVise
Not Voting (???): Whatever, man
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Observation of a conclusion of an interpretation of actions?
Could you rephrase that, I don't understand what you're trying to say.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
ok.
Please lynch Iso tomorrow.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
ok.
Please don't lynch Iso tomorrow.
(That was a joke. Saying that just in case anyone thinks it is.)
Yeah, although it occurs to me that you died in a dogpile Day 1, & may have not followed along to see those exchanges.
This is your won't-talk-about-GIP solid meta read. Why are we talking meta when the player in question has like 4 games on her belt & is intelligent enough to learn from her mistakes?
How about posting to answer this?
Moobwap: Iso
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Vote hansanator
I think this is the observation Iso was talking about, Wheat
Iso's cases aren't required to make sense
@GM: Why are assuming that I don’t want to provide content? I made that post because I got too busy yesterday to provide content because of a GIP, but letting the Mod know that I am still active.
@Ria: I don’t know how you were missing this post from Iso, but here it is:
So, I ask, once again, what is the point of me paraphrasing the above when the information is readily available ITT? It seems like you’re trying to get me to do something that is pointless.
Scummiest player should be the one who hammers hansanator. For me, other than hansanator, that would be Wheaties.
Ftr, I don't believe hansanators claim.
EWP: I was going to vote for hansantor when I noticed that GM just did. hansanator is L-1.
If you were agreeing with Iso about Wheat's metaread on Teia/Moms, that makes sense to me.
But your post didn't read that way to me. "I'm with Iso re: Teia's meta"; it looked like you were agreeing with a call Iso made on Teia's meta, while what he's really discussing is Wheat's play.
I looked at interaction pairs between the three most suspicious individuals (Hans, Iso and Wheat), and here's what I came up with:
Hansanator (Arcadic)
Hansanator (Jay13x)
Iso (Kaburi)
KoolKoal (Blackvise)
KoolKoal (Gerrard’s Mom)
Blackvise (Arcadic)
Arcadic (Wheat_Grinder)
KoolKoal (Wheat_Grinder)
Hansanator (KoolKoal)
Gerrard’s Mom (Iso)
Unvote Iso (Kaburi)
KoolKoal (Teia Rabishu)
Teia Rabishu (Wheat_Grinder)
Teia Rabishu (Iso)
Unvote KoolKoal (Gerrard’s Mom)
Hansanator (Arcadic)
Gerrard’s Mom (Iso)
Iso (Jay13x)
Hansanator (Teia Rabishu)
Unvote Hansanator [(KoolKoal)
Iso (Wheat_Grinder)
Iso (BlackVise)
Wheat_Grinder (Void)
Wheat_Grinder (Iso)
Hansanator (KoolKoal)
Hansanator (Iso)
Hansanator (rianalnn)
Unvote Hansanator (rianalnn)
Hansanator (Jay13x)
Hansanator (KoolKoal)
Unvote Hansanator (Jay13x)
Hansanator (rianalnn)
Hansanator (Gerrard’s Mom)
Hansanator Hammer (Jay13x)
Iso's voting history with Hansanator is too real for them to be working together.
Wheat, on the other hand, has agreed with suspicion on Hansanator but never pressed the issue.
Hansanator hasn't vote for anyone. One of these three is lying, and unfortunately without more information we're going nowhere.
Also, everyone should keep an eye on Teia "Choo Choo Train" Rabishu and exactly when she voted. I'll have to do more research 'tonight', but she's a strong suspect.
If Hans flips Town, I think Iso is scum. He's been driving a lot of this Hansanator Train.
If Hans flips Scum, it's much more likely that Wheat is also scum, since he hasn't moved off of Iso.
Our scenarios go like this:
We kill Han Scum, and lose Wheat Town (possible)
We kill Han Town, and kill Wheat Scum (unlikely)
We kill Han Scum, and kill Wheat Scum (never going to happen)
We kill Han Town, and kill Wheat Town (possible)
We kill Han Scum who is lying (possible)
We kill Han Town who is lying (possible)
Town isn't going to come out on top with that math. We'll settle the Iso/Wheat question either way depending on what Han flips, based on their interactions and their unwillingness/zeal to lynch him.
Vote Hansanator
And may god have mercy on our souls.
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It's twilight until I get home. Feel free to keep posting.
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You get over mislynch guilt pretty quickly after you do it five or six times. (See MM7 for the spectacular mislynches of KK and TK [which was debated for MONTHS], and of course the game-ending mislynch of Rai.)
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Special thanks to Serrot_29 for Catbug'mrakul!
I did hammer, and for one specific reason: I have Mold Breaker, so if Hansanator does have aftermath, it does nothing to me.
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[Primer] Krenko | Azor | Kess | Zacama | Kumena | Sram | The Ur-Dragon | Edgar Markov | Daretti | Marath
... Well then we might just have a gosh darn tragedy on our hands, won't we? At least two of your most disruptive players will be gone
But we're not actually playing Pokemon, so the rules are a different than they are for the games themselves.
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