2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
are you seriously not picking up what I'm putting down
who do you think I Watched last Night
That is exactly what I was thinking you did. I would rather not end the day QUITE yet though, as we just started, and I would like to hear the case on Kosa at least some point toDay.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Here is some food for thought though... Does anyone else find it odd that rezombied sheeped in so fast after Wheat threw on his vote?
@Rezombied: I would really like a current T/S list from you with reasoning that is NOT gut based. You should have plenty to work with now that gut alone is not needed.
Hey Kosa, you never answered "the rest" of those questions from yesterDay but conveniently hammered because "we're finally ready to end the Day"?
Vote Kosakosa
Don't be ridiculous. Look at your questions to me:
1) Who I were voting before fulcrum: I'm not answering questions that you check yourself in previous votecounts. Your attempt to paint me as scum on it:
Hey Kosa, you never answered "the rest" of those questions from yesterDay but conveniently hammered because "we're finally ready to end the Day"?
Vote Kosakosa
Don't be ridiculous. Look at your questions to me:
1) Who I were voting before fulcrum: I'm not answering questions that you check yourself in previous votecounts. Your attempt to paint me as scum on it:
Unless you're saying that you can't remember who you were voting for, maybe because you're scum?
Is ridiculous and pointless, since votes are public information.
2) A T/S list: I don't remember needing to comply with your request simply because you've demanded it.
I wasn't talking about my questions specifically. You were the one that indicated that there were other questions that you needed to follow up on here:
@Kosa: I dunno if I agree with your logic that the scum MUST have the town wincon due to it not being in the OP. Why would it not be possible that scum legit don't have the wincon? I have seen games where mods have left out wincons on purpose. In fact I was cleared as town in one such game, and here are the role PMs.
Because it doesn't make sense for such a concerned mod like Arn to purposefully deny town's wincon for the scumteam. Mafia is first and foremost a game of behavioral analysis, not comparison between PM quotes.
Take a look at the following exchange:
Townie: "Ok, you've roleclaimed but forgot to state your wincon."
Scum: "Oh sure this is my wincon *doesn't know town's actual wincon, botches it*"
Townie: "Huh nice try scum, but you're not town with that wincon! This is the right one *states actual town wincon*"
In the above situation, considering a game of 12 players, 2 of them would have their alignments instantly confirmed over a PM formatting issue. I can't think of any reasons as to why a good mod would purposefully promote that. If you do, please share it.
Meanwhile, I'll stay with Occam: Arnmod gave town's wincon to the scumteam, probably via falseclaim. Note that, as per Occam, I believe Shockwave's incorrect wincon quoting is due to him not checking his role PM (or his falseclaim/scumchat, if he's scum), not because he's scum and wasn't given town's wincon. If this is indeed the case, he's much more likely to be town since I'd expect scum to be extremely meticulous when claiming.
Furthermore, not only that kind of carelessness comes from town, but his role is also town-aligned and provable. So in my opinion we shouldn't be worried about him by now, despite his controversial behavior earlier in the game.
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Oh ok, so let me get this straight. By not questioning my question, you, in fact, just admitted that:
1) Your pressure on me was fabricated by your necessity to unvote Rhand without gathering suspicion, since he would never been lynched with such a claim;
2) You're asking irrelevant questions.
And I'm the scum?
Oh cool, you're admitting that was a terrible, terrible question. That makes this a little easier.
Three real lol's in a row? No. This amusement is either faked or entirely too enthusiastic to come from a townie.
You've never played a full game with me before. You don't have any basis to know whether I am or am not easily amused.
Hint: I am. Especially when nice, funny stuff happens such as me liking my role or watching someone not named Iso reach claim range during RVS.
Then we have an opportunistic jump on Rodemy, because "odd!=scummy."
Opportunistic jump? I voted Rodemy BEFORE saying that. I'm tired of explaining that I voted him because he self-consciously backed off of a player he wanted lynched because "it was too soon for him to be at L-2". It didn't add up.
You're repeating the same bull**** arguments from EtR that I've already dealt with to bulk up your "case" against me. Typical scum trying to appear busy.
He made three posts in rvs.. and no votes whatsoever.
Except he made an effort to make a joke about being a JoAT.. or not...
and then made an effort to respond to a vote AGAINST him..
Yet no vote... no abstain...
It's odd. haven't seen that behavior in RVS before. Though i can't use the one scum game i know he was scum in because he wasn't IN rvs...
Odd != scummy.
Still haven't explained. Why is not voting in RVS scummy?
In Post 33, Kosa rips into dkings' post. After this attack, he FOS's him in order to vote for Rodemy. The weird thing here is that Rodemy doesn't appear to be that strong of a scum read. His main argument against Rodemy is that he rescinded when hans was at L-2, because there's no way a towny would not want a scumsuspect to not have to claim at the very beginning of the day from RVS votes.
It obviously wasn't a strong read. Obviously the only argument I had against Rodemy was him backing off from Hans at L-2 because that was the only relevant thing that had happened until that moment. What is your point here?
Is blatantly awful, especially considering who KK's dealing with in the former of the posts. It's too situational to be a pressure vote, and serves as a fantastic springboard into a fresh wagon.
Ok, so you're saying just because I'm voting Rodemy I'm not entitled to question people voting him? Pfft.
Complete misrep of gan_dan's point.
What was his point then? Why do you keep tackling stuff that I've already answered to?
The magenta responses in #33 are even worse, somehow. You're criticizing him for responding to the only thing worth responding to, and trying to defend not unvoting someone at L-3 less than 50 posts into a game. It's not the fact that you placed that vote, it's the fact that you make some vain attempt to (inexplicably) defend it while simultaneously mudslinging.
I'm criticizing him for making pointless statements. When I read that post the first thing it occured to me was that DKL was trying too hard to appear the scumhunting townie when in reality his words are devoid of meaningful content.
Also, his (and yours) "He didn't unvote a player at L-3 during RVS! YAAARG HE'S SCUM!" antics are borderline ridiculous.
As opposed to Kosa's "He unvoted a player at L-2 during RVS! YAAARG, HE'S SCUM. Again, we have a misrep, but this time of dkings, as dkings' statement was nowhere near that aggressive.
Toss in a FoS for good measure (Just in case the Rodemy wagon doesn't get any traction? Because it's not going to.), season to taste, simmer.
I consistently FoS people around. Get used to it and stop impersonating Guardman.
Defensive as hell reaction, with a personal attack against gan_dan.
Wait, what?
Next up, after the cases against dkings and Rodemy are stalled, we have an attack against iRebel, funnily enough, based on a misrep of iRebel's statements. Is everyone starting to see the pattern here?
Yeah, I'm seeing the pattern of you bragging about misreps without never pointing them out. If iRebel or anyone doesn't pay attention to whatever he's saying, it's MY fault for pointing it out? Oh ok, sorry for scumhunting then.
The rest of the post is a long ass defense against Tan, gan_dan and dkings. I suspect the iRebel bit was only put in so that the entire post wasn't one long defense.
Post 76 consists of followup on iRebel for the same bull**** point, along with some more overly certain statements about iRebel's alignment ("Please. Just walk your way to the gallows and save us time.").
Post 115 is a ****-ton more defense, as well as a reiteration of his bull**** reasoning against iRebel. There's also some doubtcasting of me on the basis I used to have a slight favorable read of Kosa, because of course townies never change their reads.
The bold is probably the most self-conscious statement I've laid my eyes upon since LnG claiming "Town VT" in BSG Mafia.
Random doubtcasting of Tan that is never followed up, beyond a one off sentence about a "gut-feeling."
Oh guess why is that? Maybe it is because that was solely a gut feeling and I never took the time to reread Tan and doublecheck it? OOOOOHHHHH DIVINATION
@Proph: Whenever I've seen a messenger role in a game, it's been scum/anti-town. It was a Mask in Majora, so I guess that one doesn't really truly count. It was scum in Ataghan, though, and I want to say there was one in Survival Horror on the scumteam, too. Can you provide examples of this type of role being town?
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Arn is not a bad mod. He would never allow players to be confirmed town by quoting a part of their PM.
I went back to Arnmod's last game, Basic #73 (Disney Villains), and it had both town and scum wincon in the OP. Considering this game's important info in the OP such as rules and stuff is pretty much copypasted from Disney's, it's pretty safe to assume he left out of it on purpose. Therefore, it's also safe to assume scum are aware of town's wincon because they've probably received it directly from the mod. It makes much more sense than Arn screwing his game over a technicality.
That said, Shockwave's claimed role oozes townishness, and it's way too consistent to be a falseclaim. Plus, it's provable. Let time judge it.
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I don't like Tan much, but it's more of a gut feeling than anything else. There's also something very very wrong with fulcrum. Gotta get a reread.
I have no qualms in lynching Rhand, as something in the back of my head tells me Rodemy's outburst was a sham because reasons. But he's at L-2 and we ought to hear his claim. So Rhand, please claim.
Marvel at Kosa's complete logic fail in regards to Arn including the win-condition. This kind of logic could only come from someone who already knows that scum are told the town win condition.
Check my response to Tanarin in the beginning of this post. Also, why do you consistently fail to provide any basis as to what you're stating?
Be amazed at the way he jumps off of Shockwave, despite arguing against the wincon case, because he knows there's no way Shockwave is being lynched toDay.
Again, responses to Tanarin. Also LOL at you accusing me of doing EXACTLY what you've done with Rhand. The difference being, I clearly state the intent and mindset behind my actions, unlike you.
Gasp as he follows up his gut scumread of Tan with a gutscum read of Tan. He couldn't just drop it, regardless of the fact that he has nothing to justify this read. Oh no, that would look scummy.
Already explained but it's ok, keep strawmanning me. Good luck trying to get myself lynched.
And be astounded as he says there is something "very, very wrong" with me and then decides to re-read, because he doesn't actually have anything against me, but realizes that I'll be a good target to start the next lynch train. Oh, and there's also a demand for Rhand to claim because of "something in the back of [his] head." Right.
Why do you keep fluffing your attacks on me? And if you're going to misrep me, please do it decently: it's plainly obvious that I've demanded a claim from Rhand simply because he was at L-2. Period.
Hey fulcrum why did you disguise your unvote of Rhand, a wagon that wouldn't go through after his claim, as pressure on me over an irrelevant question?
Then we have Kosa implying that I tried to hide my unvote of Rhand (where's the scum motivation in doing that?), in order to damage my credibility before I make a full case against him. He also calls my question irrelevant, when it's actually about the incredibly scummy mentality he posted with.
Bold: the scum motivation is avoiding to draw attention when leaving the uncc'ed doc's wagon. For instance, I had to go back and see who you were unvoting when you voted me, and I only did it because I was the one being voted, since you simply jumped on me out of nowhere. Most importantly, you've never bothered to comment on Rhand's claim.
By switching the thread's attention focus with a random, virtually naked vote, you skim through mislynch wagons easily without people ever noticing it unless they pay close attention and reread the thread.
Oh ok, so let me get this straight. By not questioning my question, you, in fact, just admitted that:
1) Your pressure on me was fabricated by your necessity to unvote Rhand without gathering suspicion, since he would never been lynched with such a claim;
2) You're asking irrelevant questions.
And I'm the scum?
Which reminds me that I don't remember you ever calling/having me as scum bar one little fencesitty smear in #209. So please enlighten us on your thought process here because I'm not seeing it.
I don't get where you're trying to go with that question, since its been already answered in the very post you've quoted: since Arn is highly regarded as a good, meticulous mod, it's much more likely that scum are aware about town's wincon because they were given it directly than to consider that Arn would screw the scumteam over PM formatting issues. It's Occam.
It has occured to me that there's even a possibility of the opposite: maybe he don't want us to know scum's verbatim wincon. That would make far more sense than Arn slipping up on PM formatting issues over a clearly copypasted OP from his previous game. Thankfully, it's quite easy to confirm if I'm right about this.
Arnmod: what's the scumteam's wincon?
But regardless of it, I don't like you trying to make a fuss out of it. It's way too convenient when coupled with your unvoting of Rhand.
Unvote
Vote fulcrum
First off, no. When someone sees that the town win condition has been removed from the first post by a meticulous mod, the assumption to make is that it was done on purpose.
Yes, it was what I've assumed. But since it makes no sense for Arn to have removed it solely to screw up the scumteam, I wondered if in reality the scumteam's wincon was secret for some reason. Since it isn't, I can't see why Arn did it, but I'm absolutely sure scum have it as I've already explained.
Kosa's assumption (that it must have been given to scum) makes no sense unless he already know it to be true.
Not repeating myself here.
Second off all, his question was garbage meant to weaken any attack against him and he knew it.
I know you hate yourself about slipping over it. Better luck next time.
And finally, I love the way he justified his vote for me. He couldn't just leave it as a plain OMGUS (because that would look too scummy) so he threw in an asinine comment pretending my unvote of Rhand was in any way sinister.
Please. I'm far from being a Mafia savant, but I know better than OMGUSing people that I know won't get me lynched. You screwed up over Rhand and got caught. Yeah you will be lynched, yeah it sucks, but you'll eventually get over it.
tl:dr
Kosa needs to die, and he needs to die toDay.
Sure
I need to sleep now. Will answer the rest tomorrow (except Cythare's @my previous vote. Stop being lazy and/or asking pointless questions. You check yourself in the votecount.)
Meanwhile please vote fulcrum kthx.
You clearly indicate on the 9th that you will "answer the rest tomorrow", then you respond to one other question of Tanarin's (which he asked in response to your post), then lurk for 3 days and hammer on the 12th without even circling back to the fact that there is anything outstanding for you.
And there were reasons for my question. You had unvoted for a while and other than your back and forth with fulcrum, you'd only really expressed suspicion of Tanarin because "idk why but I don't like you Tan". I was asking the question to see what your reaction would be.
Are you unwilling to give reads because you don't have any real reads or are you just being petulant?
I love hammering people, it makes my e-peen larger.
I hate stalled games, though.
I glossed over this part initially b/c it was a response to fulcrum, but given your declaration that you had things to respond to and that you'd been sick and V/LA for a while, you were the only person who shouldn't have felt like it was stalled. You had things to do.
I love hammering people, it makes my e-peen larger.
I hate stalled games, though.
I glossed over this part initially b/c it was a response to fulcrum, but given your declaration that you had things to respond to and that you'd been sick and V/LA for a while, you were the only person who shouldn't have felt like it was stalled. You had things to do.
Posting to avoid prod mainly, but can I have someone recap for me the case on Kosa? I have seen bits and pieces of it, but I am still struggling to wrap my head around the why.
All I have really seen about the Kosa case is the fact that he failed to respond to some questions back on day one and hammered. Is that the basic summation of the wagon on him or is there something else I should at least go back and re-read from day one?
I love hammering people, it makes my e-peen larger.
I hate stalled games, though.
I glossed over this part initially b/c it was a response to fulcrum, but given your declaration that you had things to respond to and that you'd been sick and V/LA for a while, you were the only person who shouldn't have felt like it was stalled. You had things to do.
Posting to avoid prod mainly, but can I have someone recap for me the case on Kosa? I have seen bits and pieces of it, but I am still struggling to wrap my head around the why.
All I have really seen about the Kosa case is the fact that he failed to respond to some questions back on day one and hammered. Is that the basic summation of the wagon on him or is there something else I should at least go back and re-read from day one?
I asked for this previously and didn't hear anything back on it -- I'm guessing that there just isn't anything, and it's either overzealous town or scum looking to divert to low-hanging fruit.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, you have yourself a deal. Would you be open to putting a little time into assessing your read of Kosa toDay, though?
That would require me to read the game.
I guess. Though my opinion stands regarding dkings's RVS vote on Kosa making Kosa likely to be scum.
Why wouldn't you? Not like the game is all that long ATM. Plus not much is going on it seems like until dking gets back here and I hear from rezombied with his T/S list.
Guys, is there any logical reason why Dkings is at L-1?
What do you think?
I'm just having a hard time following along blindly with everyone else. If you don't mind, can you answer the following questions so that I can understand this wagon:
Has anything about Dking's play, besides the initial RVS posts that you pointed out on D1, stuck out as a scum tell to you? If so, what?
Do you have any night action related evidence against dkings? If so, please explain more clearly.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, you have yourself a deal. Would you be open to putting a little time into assessing your read of Kosa toDay, though?
That would require me to read the game.
I guess. Though my opinion stands regarding dkings's RVS vote on Kosa making Kosa likely to be scum.
Why wouldn't you? Not like the game is all that long ATM. Plus not much is going on it seems like until dking gets back here and I hear from rezombied with his T/S list.
I'm sick as a dog. I had to call out of work; I've been asleep at home all day. I was planning on catching up over Night 2 or something.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Has anything about Dking's play, besides the initial RVS posts that you pointed out on D1, stuck out as a scum tell to you? If so, what?
Do you have any night action related evidence against dkings? If so, please explain more clearly.
I believe all of the answers to your questions can be found on the last 2 pages at 15 ppp.
Wrap me in swiss cheese and call me blind, but all of the posts seem extremely vague to me.
My point in asking you to answer those question was so that you would go into greater detail. If you want me to support your crusade against dkings, you are going to have to be more specific.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm moving back to my dorm today though so I'm not sure I'll have everything situated well enough to take a look and see if Iso is right in his assertion about dking, but tomorrow I'm free and might even decide to look into dking and/or Kosa.
I targeted you, Tan. I figured if I didn't die, you or Rhand would. I opted for you and I missed, but wanted to use the unknown of my target as leverage to get dkings lynched since I'm 100% sure he's scum. And then hans ruined it. I guess I should've figured I was prime Tracker material, especially on Night 1.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So why would you choose to watch an unconfirmed, unclaimed person instead the claimed doc? I don't understand why you would think that Tan was in more danger than Rhand. In a game where you only have a 1-shot watch, I don't think there would be any better time to use your 1-shot watch than on a person who claimed doc.
And I don't see any town motive in lying about having incriminating evidence against somebody that would most definitely get that person lynched. If you happened to be wrong after such an accusation, that would certainly set you up as the next day's lynch.
This truly is a perplexing situation, and I can't figure some things out.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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Your assertion that dking is scum from his first post.
Essentially, I need to go and look to see if that's something that ACTUALLY comes from a scum mindset because it's not scummy on the surface at all.
Vote Kosakosa
I can look for other examples, I'm pretty sure I've personally done it at least twice.
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Yo guys while I understand that Kosa is probably dkings's buddy can we please lynch the confirmed scum thanks
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Please do find other examples, especially of when town does it; what you do as an alignment is not the same as what others do as that alignment.
who do you think I Watched last Night
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Vote dkingsland
First sentence is incredibly fake. Just, wow.
That is exactly what I was thinking you did. I would rather not end the day QUITE yet though, as we just started, and I would like to hear the case on Kosa at least some point toDay.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not good at that.
Also it seems that I missed when you claimed watcher so there's that too.
I'll sheep that.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Let's not hammer just yet.
Have you read Iso's posts?
Of course!
Have you? (anyone can answer this)
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Yes.
Yes, Yes I have.
Here is some food for thought though... Does anyone else find it odd that rezombied sheeped in so fast after Wheat threw on his vote?
@Rezombied: I would really like a current T/S list from you with reasoning that is NOT gut based. You should have plenty to work with now that gut alone is not needed.
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dkingsland967 (4): Iso; Tanarin; Wheat_Grinder; Rezombied
fulcrum (1): Kosakosa
Kosakosa (1): Cythare
Not Voting (4): Arianrhod; dkingsland967; Hansanator; fulcrum
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch!
Don't be ridiculous. Look at your questions to me:
1) Who I were voting before fulcrum: I'm not answering questions that you check yourself in previous votecounts. Your attempt to paint me as scum on it:
Is ridiculous and pointless, since votes are public information.
2) A T/S list: I don't remember needing to comply with your request simply because you've demanded it.
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I love hammering people, it makes my e-peen larger.
I hate stalled games, though.
I wasn't talking about my questions specifically. You were the one that indicated that there were other questions that you needed to follow up on here:
You clearly indicate on the 9th that you will "answer the rest tomorrow", then you respond to one other question of Tanarin's (which he asked in response to your post), then lurk for 3 days and hammer on the 12th without even circling back to the fact that there is anything outstanding for you.
And there were reasons for my question. You had unvoted for a while and other than your back and forth with fulcrum, you'd only really expressed suspicion of Tanarin because "idk why but I don't like you Tan". I was asking the question to see what your reaction would be.
Are you unwilling to give reads because you don't have any real reads or are you just being petulant?
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Yeah, that wasn't what I was calling blatantly fake.
I glossed over this part initially b/c it was a response to fulcrum, but given your declaration that you had things to respond to and that you'd been sick and V/LA for a while, you were the only person who shouldn't have felt like it was stalled. You had things to do.
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Posting to avoid prod mainly, but can I have someone recap for me the case on Kosa? I have seen bits and pieces of it, but I am still struggling to wrap my head around the why.
All I have really seen about the Kosa case is the fact that he failed to respond to some questions back on day one and hammered. Is that the basic summation of the wagon on him or is there something else I should at least go back and re-read from day one?
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I asked for this previously and didn't hear anything back on it -- I'm guessing that there just isn't anything, and it's either overzealous town or scum looking to divert to low-hanging fruit.
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What do you think?
That would require me to read the game.
I guess. Though my opinion stands regarding dkings's RVS vote on Kosa making Kosa likely to be scum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why wouldn't you? Not like the game is all that long ATM. Plus not much is going on it seems like until dking gets back here and I hear from rezombied with his T/S list.
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I'm just having a hard time following along blindly with everyone else. If you don't mind, can you answer the following questions so that I can understand this wagon:
Has anything about Dking's play, besides the initial RVS posts that you pointed out on D1, stuck out as a scum tell to you? If so, what?
Do you have any night action related evidence against dkings? If so, please explain more clearly.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
I believe all of the answers to your questions can be found on the last 2 pages at 15 ppp.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm sick as a dog. I had to call out of work; I've been asleep at home all day. I was planning on catching up over Night 2 or something.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Wrap me in swiss cheese and call me blind, but all of the posts seem extremely vague to me.
My point in asking you to answer those question was so that you would go into greater detail. If you want me to support your crusade against dkings, you are going to have to be more specific.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Thanks, anyway.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote: Iso. This has been more painful than pulling teeth.
Riddle me this:
1) Who did you target last night and what was the outcome?
2) Why are you leading people to believe falsities?
@Everyone: I highly suggest that we put the dkings lynch on halt for the time being.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
My bluff has been called.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Don't know if sarcasm or serious...
If this quote is not true:
you might as well put it out there what you actually did at this point.
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Guess I have to actually do some work toDay then.
I'm moving back to my dorm today though so I'm not sure I'll have everything situated well enough to take a look and see if Iso is right in his assertion about dking, but tomorrow I'm free and might even decide to look into dking and/or Kosa.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And I don't see any town motive in lying about having incriminating evidence against somebody that would most definitely get that person lynched. If you happened to be wrong after such an accusation, that would certainly set you up as the next day's lynch.
This truly is a perplexing situation, and I can't figure some things out.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
/barn hans
I'm also wondering why scum would shoot a claimed doc, if they knew there was a town watcher shot.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player