i thought she was found laying unconscious in her hotel room and she died in a hospital. that's what i read off of cnn. this murder makes me think of marilyn monroe. why is it always the pills? it's obviously not the pills. she was obviously murdered. sad too. she led a life of immorality.
i thought she was found laying unconscious in her hotel room and she died in a hospital. that's what i read off of cnn. this murder makes me think of marilyn monroe. why is it always the pills? it's obviously not the pills. she was obviously murdered. sad too. she led a life of immorality.
Obvious to the outside eye that is. I'm not really sure what the heck happened right now. The coincidence of Stern being there is more than enough to give credence to any murder theories but for now that's all they are. Evidence speaks and surely we won't hear of any of that for at least a few days.
But, after reading everything, I'm with you in the murder camp for pure speculation tho. Suicide still second and not THAT far behind tho.
Anyway this thing is TOO weird for words so I'm just gonna say this sucks to see happen. Especially with all this media coverage we'll hear on this story over the next week or so. Yay 24-hour news cycle.
i thought she was found laying unconscious in her hotel room and she died in a hospital.
I think she was dead long before she arrived at the hospital. She was pronounced DOA. But otherwise, yeah, that's more or less the story at this point.
this murder makes me think of marilyn monroe.
Woah, hold up. This has in no way been declared a homicide. To be fair, there's been nothing released thus far to indicate foul play. Sure, her lawyer/husband is a real creep and everything about the timing of her death is crazy, but that doesn't equal murder, even if the speculation is intriguing.
why is it always the pills? it's obviously not the pills. she was obviously murdered.
1) The cause of death has not been released. So it's not known if pills were involved or not.
2) Obviously murdered? Years of experience in criminology backing up that baseless (yet oddly absolute) claim?
sad too. she led a life of immorality.
She did? Aside from some nude modeling and spots of crazy behaviour, she seemed to be more or less an okay person. Strange and a bit dim, but not outrageously immoral. On what grounds do you base this judgment of the life of a woman I doubt you ever met?
I'm also hearing rumblings that AccessHollywood has a source saying that Smith was found having choked on her own vomit. We'll see how that lead pans out.
i don't know where you're from mikeyG or what you're thinking but all i have to say is god frowns on wherever you got your morals.
just nude modeling?! i think you don't stress this in enough. usually, prostitution goes right next to nudity. plus you forgot the one most important factor: SHE'S MARRIED TO HOWARD STERN! it is obvious she is a money obssessed freak. no decent lady would ever marry that man. so through my logic, she is indeed immoral and she is indeed burning in hell.
i don't know where your from mikeyG or what you're thinking but all i have to say is if god frowns on wherever you got your morals.
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just nude modeling?! i think you don't stress this in enough.
Uh-huh. See, I don't really view the admiration of the human form as something immoral. Even if it's on the lewd side.
usually, prostitution goes right next to nudity.
Does it now? So if I'm naked enough, someone will pay me to have sex? Why didn't you say so earlier, I'm a bit short on my rent.
plus you forgot the one most important factor: SHE'S MARRIED TO HOWARD STERN!
Except .... she's not. She had a commitment ceremony (I don't even think it was a legally binding ceremony) with Howard K Stern - her former lawyer, not the radio shock-jock with a similar (yet pointedly initial-free) name.
So, if you're going to cast judgmental stones, do a bit of research first. I think you'll find it'll save you from embarrassing moments like these.
it is obvious she is a money obssessed freak.
It is?
no decent lady would ever marry that man.
She didn't, so there goes that.
so through my logic, she is indeed immoral and she is indeed burning in hell.
i don't know where your from mikeyG or what you're thinking but all i have to say is if god frowns on wherever you got your morals.
just nude modeling?! i think you don't stress this in enough. usually, prostitution goes right next to nudity. plus you forgot the one most important factor: SHE'S MARRIED TO HOWARD STERN! it is obvious she is a money obssessed freak. no decent lady would ever marry that man. so through my logic, she is indeed immoral and she is indeed burning in hell.
You know, if you didn't come off like a self-righteous evangelical *******, I might be inclined to laugh.
Do you know her life story? My guess is no. The life she led was a dream compared to the life she was fated to lead.
Though, as for as celebs go. Even if she was a "good" person. She never did anything useful, or for that matter anything to take a really big impact in my/most peoples lifes. O'well, RIP.
Man I dont know about yall...but that crap is sad.You got A gorgeous,young mother found dead.They dont know why.That sucks.I pray god remember's her.
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plus you forgot the one most important factor: SHE'S MARRIED TO HOWARD STERN! it is obvious she is a money obssessed freak. no decent lady would ever marry that man. so through my logic, she is indeed immoral and she is indeed burning in hell.
I'm not sad to see her go either....but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. The Howard Stern she is married to, is not the 'King of all Media' shock jock Howard Stern you are thinking.
Good for you...sadly, he had earned a place on my Ignore List long ago, so I didn't see that gem of grammatical and logical rectitude.
This discussion of murder is new to me. Granted when the autopsy is performed, blood samples will be checked for drugs of all sorts. Mind you, if they find high levels of the usual types of drugs (narcotics, antidepressants) they still can't conclude it was due to overdose or murder. A person with a habit of narcotics or a high dose of antidepressants for many years may have a large tolerance to this sort of thing.
Unusual drugs, frank poisons, or clearly excessive doses of any drug, might support foul play. There is a subtle but clear motivational difference between four Valium and 40 Valium.
Lastly, let's not forget that her son recently also died under suspicious circumstances. To all those who cried "The pills did 'im in" let's look at the evidence.
The son had been treated with antidepressants and was in methadone maintenance. He dropped dead suddenly as well. His blood tests revealed (usual, therapeutic) levels of both. It is unknown to me at this time if other things were found there as well.
Certainly, it could be murder, by some mysterious, untraceable agent. The hand that struck down the son, is now striking down the mother. It could also be that this family (Anna Nicole's family) carries a latent cardiac condition that renders these individuals sensitive to certain types of antidepressants or stimulants. I do not know what drugs were involved here, but some types of older tricyclic antidepressants or anxiety drugs (and some currently in use, like trazodone and Celexa, for instance) can mess with the electrical properties of the heart enough to cause heart seizure and death. This is also true of some neuroleptics and ALWAYS true of cocaine, methamphetamine, and Ecstasy. It's even been shown to happen with general anesthetics, anti-malarial medications, and some antibiotics and antihistamines. (Google sparfloxacin, terfenadine or astemizole if you want some more info - look under WARNINGS/RECALLS.) What's more, it seems to be only some people are sensitive to this effect, and others sail blissfully by with no effect at all.
Such people are quite normal for their entire lives and are only exquisitely sensitive to one or a few of hese types of agents...they may never suffer a heart problem at all if they are never exposed to these.
I'm hoping for the family's sake it was neither murder nor this...although I'd prefer it weren't murder, honestly. It is one thing to cast a jaundiced eye on the moral fiber of other people, and quite another to wish them dead, or go kill them.
A latent cardiac arrhythmia - that I can deal with on a moral and ethical basis...the rest of the family get a thorough physical and consultation with a heart specialist. (These sorts of things can be prevented...just avoid the stimuli.)
So far the medicals examine hasn't showen anything But the Toxicialgy test still need to be done but they ruled out Illegal drugs as the cause of death.
I still say something is fishy as hell. For a women like her to die so sudden and the fact it doesn't look like suicide I'm leaning still towards Fool play on a deep level or a very Tragic Ending for a women that faced a ton a tragic events lately.
I sorta disagree, I don't find it unusual at all that a women experiencing severe depression on several drugs, medical or not, would overdose accidently or on purpose.
Her retarded son was taking 2 major anti-depressants and methadone all at once - I'd say the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.
She used to be hott stuff though, granted, I guess I just don't have any sympathy for the 'stars'.
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I do feel bad for her and her family and her friends. Mainly because, death is a tragic thing no matter who it happens to. I generally feel bad for any one when I learn about anyone close to them or not, dying.
With the way I see it, she did great things, from where she started. I mean, hell, her dad left the family (or something to that effect), so she grew up without really much of a father figure. While I understand that her mother re-married (more than once) its tough for any girl to grow up without a father. Actually, it's tough for any one to grow up without a parent (be it a mother or a father or even both).
I mean, her son died when he was 20, and I read an article about a year or so-ish before he died in a magazine that my grandmother had bought (It was either Star, or a few others that she buys I can't recall the names right now) that Daniel was her life and that he was her baby and she was growing up while he was. Since she was like 19 when he was born.
Anna Nicole had always interested me since, she rose from heart ache and eventually made a name for herself (even if she didn't do it in the best of ways). But to me she's better than say Courtney Love. (Sorry this is really sounding like a senseless ramble).
At anyrate, to conclude this; I think that she was a good person overall, but had trouble and she died at a young age which is unfortunate.
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In related news, I just walked by one of my neigbors doors in the hall way and he had a nude picture of Anna Nicole Smith hanging up with the letters RIP in the corner.
I'm trying to figure out if thats wierd or not.
I think its sad though. Do people really have to contribute to society for their deaths to be tragic? Personally, I think its sad when anybody dies.
I think some of the people condemning her for her life of "immorality" really needs to stop throwing stones. Its not your place to damn anybody to hell.
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Meh. I didn't care one way or another about her, but I wish her peace. It's always tragic when someone dies suddenly. Oh well. Anna, sorry it was your time. May you find peace where ever you are.
i didn't condemn her to hell. she's just going there for being a whore. i mean if she overdosed on antidepressants, it my be assumed as suicide which has hell written all over it. if she was murdered, then it is obvious that through her life, she has been associated with many dubious characters. once again, this suggests she will burn in hell.
honestly, i do not see how anyone can defend her. it's like defending obsama bin laden. of course there are ppl who do defend him but i wouldn't think at these numbers.
I'm not defending her at all. I really do not care. I can't believe the news is being dominated by her death. It's ridiculous. I'm not sure how it can be considered such a large and important news story. However, what I do have a problem with is the moral authority of the previous poster. This burning in hell business is just trying to push peoples buttons I think. Trolling perhaps? And how is it that such bad grammar can still exist?
Regardless, her possibly having been murdered doesn't mean that she's going to hell whatsoever. How does being murdered make one a bad person? Or make them a person who chums it up with nefarious characters? Your not making much sense my friend.
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i didn't condemn her to hell. she's just going there for being a whore.
And you know she was a whore for a fact?
i mean if she overdosed on antidepressants, it my be assumed as suicide which has hell written all over it.
I don't think accidental overdose is the same as intentional suicide. At the heart of both, you might be the cause of your own death, but the same could be said of a lot of things most people wouldn't consider suicide.
Not to mention, we can in no way determine her intent. She might have done it intentionally, she might not have.
if she was murdered, then it is obvious that through her life, she has been associated with many dubious characters. once again, this suggests she will burn in hell.
Wow, I didn't know hanging out with a bad crowd condemns you to hell.
Seriously, what part of what holy book did you scrape that up from?
honestly, i do not see how anyone can defend her.
It's a simple case of respecting someone who has died. She may have lived a somewhat scandalous life, but Anna Nicole Smith deserves at least some passing respect right now. Or barring that, silence. No one needs (or really wants) to hear someone go on about how she's obviously going to hell for being a dirty, filthy whore.
It might be your opinion, but I think it shows a great lack of decency to be spouting it off right now. Personally, I had my fair share of negative opinions about ANS, but I have enough respect and grace not to vent them at this point in time. There's no reason to, and it only makes you look callous and disrespectful.
So it's not so much about defending her as it is putting you in your place, honestly.
it's like defending obsama bin laden.
It's really not. If you can't see why defending Anna Nicole Smith is not like defending Osama bin Laden, you're just a whole new level of blind.
i didn't condemn her to hell. she's just going there for being a whore. i mean if she overdosed on antidepressants, it my be assumed as suicide which has hell written all over it. if she was murdered, then it is obvious that through her life, she has been associated with many dubious characters. once again, this suggests she will burn in hell.
honestly, i do not see how anyone can defend her. it's like defending obsama bin laden. of course there are ppl who do defend him but i wouldn't think at these numbers.
Now I'm no Christian scholar, or even a Christian, but isn't it true that judging people is a sin? It seems like these terrible accusations and random insults to someone you don't even have any knowledge of is pretty worthy of sending you down to Satan for an afterlife full of eternal damnation. Say hi to Hitler and Anna Nicole for me.
I don't feel much sadness for a person I don't know and have never met. From what I can tell about her from her TV apperances and her TV show, she wasn't that great of a person anyways. I mean, she has her mom and cousin get tattooes of her face, then she doesn't contact them ever? What kinda person does that?
But oh well, who am I to judge a person I've never met? Maybe she had her reasons, maybe she didn't. She probably was a better person than what ya saw on TV, since I've never met her, I'll never know.
But seriously, is there a way to ignore people? cause I don't ever wanna see one of that guys posts again.
i didn't condemn her to hell. she's just going there for being a whore.
So will you for the statement.
i mean if she overdosed on antidepressants, it my be assumed as suicide which has hell written all over it.
So is Making judegments on others which is a Sin of Pride. Thus you commited this sin..
if she was murdered, then it is obvious that through her life, she has been associated with many dubious characters. once again, this suggests she will burn in hell.
Again with the Sin of Pride....
honestly, i do not see how anyone can defend her. it's like defending obsama bin laden. of course there are ppl who do defend him but i wouldn't think at these numbers.
Now this is what got to me. You compare a sorta Icon of american idols to a damned terrorist leader.... You compared a women that lead a very choatic lifestyle But yet did not kill anyone to a man that made it his life to murder men, Women, and Children on the basis that they are americans.....
Please do the world a favor and Stop with the way you judge people as its an insult to the mental balance of many....
The moment you come out on a time to mourn and state she will burn in hell is the moment you sealed your own sentence to burn as well...
The moment you Comapred her to a Murdering terrorist....Is when you made yourself look like a complete and utter ass.... BRAVO...... Now remember the red crayon doesn't mean it will taste like Strawberrys.....
Obvious to the outside eye that is. I'm not really sure what the heck happened right now. The coincidence of Stern being there is more than enough to give credence to any murder theories but for now that's all they are. Evidence speaks and surely we won't hear of any of that for at least a few days.
But, after reading everything, I'm with you in the murder camp for pure speculation tho. Suicide still second and not THAT far behind tho.
Anyway this thing is TOO weird for words so I'm just gonna say this sucks to see happen. Especially with all this media coverage we'll hear on this story over the next week or so. Yay 24-hour news cycle.
I think she was dead long before she arrived at the hospital. She was pronounced DOA. But otherwise, yeah, that's more or less the story at this point.
Woah, hold up. This has in no way been declared a homicide. To be fair, there's been nothing released thus far to indicate foul play. Sure, her lawyer/husband is a real creep and everything about the timing of her death is crazy, but that doesn't equal murder, even if the speculation is intriguing.
1) The cause of death has not been released. So it's not known if pills were involved or not.
2) Obviously murdered? Years of experience in criminology backing up that baseless (yet oddly absolute) claim?
She did? Aside from some nude modeling and spots of crazy behaviour, she seemed to be more or less an okay person. Strange and a bit dim, but not outrageously immoral. On what grounds do you base this judgment of the life of a woman I doubt you ever met?
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Sad news for the Stern = murderer fans. ETOnline is reporting that he was in Florida as well, but not with Smith at the time of her death.
I'm also hearing rumblings that AccessHollywood has a source saying that Smith was found having choked on her own vomit. We'll see how that lead pans out.
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just nude modeling?! i think you don't stress this in enough. usually, prostitution goes right next to nudity. plus you forgot the one most important factor: SHE'S MARRIED TO HOWARD STERN! it is obvious she is a money obssessed freak. no decent lady would ever marry that man. so through my logic, she is indeed immoral and she is indeed burning in hell.
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Uh-huh. See, I don't really view the admiration of the human form as something immoral. Even if it's on the lewd side.
Does it now? So if I'm naked enough, someone will pay me to have sex? Why didn't you say so earlier, I'm a bit short on my rent.
Except .... she's not. She had a commitment ceremony (I don't even think it was a legally binding ceremony) with Howard K Stern - her former lawyer, not the radio shock-jock with a similar (yet pointedly initial-free) name.
So, if you're going to cast judgmental stones, do a bit of research first. I think you'll find it'll save you from embarrassing moments like these.
It is?
She didn't, so there goes that.
God bless your logic.
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You know, if you didn't come off like a self-righteous evangelical *******, I might be inclined to laugh.
Do you know her life story? My guess is no. The life she led was a dream compared to the life she was fated to lead.
Though, as for as celebs go. Even if she was a "good" person. She never did anything useful, or for that matter anything to take a really big impact in my/most peoples lifes. O'well, RIP.
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I'm not sad to see her go either....but you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. The Howard Stern she is married to, is not the 'King of all Media' shock jock Howard Stern you are thinking.
This discussion of murder is new to me. Granted when the autopsy is performed, blood samples will be checked for drugs of all sorts. Mind you, if they find high levels of the usual types of drugs (narcotics, antidepressants) they still can't conclude it was due to overdose or murder. A person with a habit of narcotics or a high dose of antidepressants for many years may have a large tolerance to this sort of thing.
Unusual drugs, frank poisons, or clearly excessive doses of any drug, might support foul play. There is a subtle but clear motivational difference between four Valium and 40 Valium.
Lastly, let's not forget that her son recently also died under suspicious circumstances. To all those who cried "The pills did 'im in" let's look at the evidence.
The son had been treated with antidepressants and was in methadone maintenance. He dropped dead suddenly as well. His blood tests revealed (usual, therapeutic) levels of both. It is unknown to me at this time if other things were found there as well.
Certainly, it could be murder, by some mysterious, untraceable agent. The hand that struck down the son, is now striking down the mother. It could also be that this family (Anna Nicole's family) carries a latent cardiac condition that renders these individuals sensitive to certain types of antidepressants or stimulants. I do not know what drugs were involved here, but some types of older tricyclic antidepressants or anxiety drugs (and some currently in use, like trazodone and Celexa, for instance) can mess with the electrical properties of the heart enough to cause heart seizure and death. This is also true of some neuroleptics and ALWAYS true of cocaine, methamphetamine, and Ecstasy. It's even been shown to happen with general anesthetics, anti-malarial medications, and some antibiotics and antihistamines. (Google sparfloxacin, terfenadine or astemizole if you want some more info - look under WARNINGS/RECALLS.) What's more, it seems to be only some people are sensitive to this effect, and others sail blissfully by with no effect at all.
Such people are quite normal for their entire lives and are only exquisitely sensitive to one or a few of hese types of agents...they may never suffer a heart problem at all if they are never exposed to these.
I'm hoping for the family's sake it was neither murder nor this...although I'd prefer it weren't murder, honestly. It is one thing to cast a jaundiced eye on the moral fiber of other people, and quite another to wish them dead, or go kill them.
A latent cardiac arrhythmia - that I can deal with on a moral and ethical basis...the rest of the family get a thorough physical and consultation with a heart specialist. (These sorts of things can be prevented...just avoid the stimuli.)
I still say something is fishy as hell. For a women like her to die so sudden and the fact it doesn't look like suicide I'm leaning still towards Fool play on a deep level or a very Tragic Ending for a women that faced a ton a tragic events lately.
May her soul find rest till the end of time.
Her retarded son was taking 2 major anti-depressants and methadone all at once - I'd say the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.
She used to be hott stuff though, granted, I guess I just don't have any sympathy for the 'stars'.
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With the way I see it, she did great things, from where she started. I mean, hell, her dad left the family (or something to that effect), so she grew up without really much of a father figure. While I understand that her mother re-married (more than once) its tough for any girl to grow up without a father. Actually, it's tough for any one to grow up without a parent (be it a mother or a father or even both).
I mean, her son died when he was 20, and I read an article about a year or so-ish before he died in a magazine that my grandmother had bought (It was either Star, or a few others that she buys I can't recall the names right now) that Daniel was her life and that he was her baby and she was growing up while he was. Since she was like 19 when he was born.
Anna Nicole had always interested me since, she rose from heart ache and eventually made a name for herself (even if she didn't do it in the best of ways). But to me she's better than say Courtney Love. (Sorry this is really sounding like a senseless ramble).
At anyrate, to conclude this; I think that she was a good person overall, but had trouble and she died at a young age which is unfortunate.
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They're also not making total assumptions or pin pointing a specific cause of death yet.
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I'm trying to figure out if thats wierd or not.
I think its sad though. Do people really have to contribute to society for their deaths to be tragic? Personally, I think its sad when anybody dies.
I think some of the people condemning her for her life of "immorality" really needs to stop throwing stones. Its not your place to damn anybody to hell.
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honestly, i do not see how anyone can defend her. it's like defending obsama bin laden. of course there are ppl who do defend him but i wouldn't think at these numbers.
Regardless, her possibly having been murdered doesn't mean that she's going to hell whatsoever. How does being murdered make one a bad person? Or make them a person who chums it up with nefarious characters? Your not making much sense my friend.
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And you know she was a whore for a fact?
I don't think accidental overdose is the same as intentional suicide. At the heart of both, you might be the cause of your own death, but the same could be said of a lot of things most people wouldn't consider suicide.
Not to mention, we can in no way determine her intent. She might have done it intentionally, she might not have.
Wow, I didn't know hanging out with a bad crowd condemns you to hell.
Seriously, what part of what holy book did you scrape that up from?
It's a simple case of respecting someone who has died. She may have lived a somewhat scandalous life, but Anna Nicole Smith deserves at least some passing respect right now. Or barring that, silence. No one needs (or really wants) to hear someone go on about how she's obviously going to hell for being a dirty, filthy whore.
It might be your opinion, but I think it shows a great lack of decency to be spouting it off right now. Personally, I had my fair share of negative opinions about ANS, but I have enough respect and grace not to vent them at this point in time. There's no reason to, and it only makes you look callous and disrespectful.
So it's not so much about defending her as it is putting you in your place, honestly.
It's really not. If you can't see why defending Anna Nicole Smith is not like defending Osama bin Laden, you're just a whole new level of blind.
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Now I'm no Christian scholar, or even a Christian, but isn't it true that judging people is a sin? It seems like these terrible accusations and random insults to someone you don't even have any knowledge of is pretty worthy of sending you down to Satan for an afterlife full of eternal damnation. Say hi to Hitler and Anna Nicole for me.
But oh well, who am I to judge a person I've never met? Maybe she had her reasons, maybe she didn't. She probably was a better person than what ya saw on TV, since I've never met her, I'll never know.
But seriously, is there a way to ignore people? cause I don't ever wanna see one of that guys posts again.
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So will you for the statement.
So is Making judegments on others which is a Sin of Pride. Thus you commited this sin..
Again with the Sin of Pride....
Now this is what got to me. You compare a sorta Icon of american idols to a damned terrorist leader.... You compared a women that lead a very choatic lifestyle But yet did not kill anyone to a man that made it his life to murder men, Women, and Children on the basis that they are americans.....
Please do the world a favor and Stop with the way you judge people as its an insult to the mental balance of many....
The moment you come out on a time to mourn and state she will burn in hell is the moment you sealed your own sentence to burn as well...
The moment you Comapred her to a Murdering terrorist....Is when you made yourself look like a complete and utter ass.... BRAVO...... Now remember the red crayon doesn't mean it will taste like Strawberrys.....
OMG! Thats the funniest thing anyone has ever said on this site. I gotta go sig that now.
P.S. Do we know what killed her yet?
No, the medical examiner's report won't be released for some time yet. Probably three to five weeks.
What we know so far:
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