He doesn't really need to. He can dislike it all he wants, it's his perogative, but he also didn't say that gutter should be closed, or anything like that.
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When I was a mod, I never saw any evidence that the Gutter averted trolling, spam, or flames. The only thing I saw was it helping to keep people like Kijin around. So, from my perspective, it was a net negative.
The people who so desperately need to vent frustration - be they troll or technician - can and should go elsewhere for that. All the Gutter does is keep the trolls around.
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than when you sang the songs of Satan.
never seen or heard much about the gutter, but it sounds like a cool place. I probably wouldn't last long in it, but oh well.
Either way, simply denying entrance into anywhere, is essentially a death sentence. you have to have fresh meat coming in otherwise the butcher runs out of stock. Eventually people are gonna up and dissappear prematurely. Of course I could be mistaken in assuming that it is just someplace to go and just be you, but I can't really tell much of anything right now as I have just spent the past week proving I have no life. I'm pretty much numb to everything anyway. High Five!
Of course I could be mistaken in assuming that it is just someplace to go and just be you, but I can't really tell much of anything right now as I have just spent the past week proving I have no life. I'm pretty much numb to everything anyway. High Five!
When I was a mod, I never saw any evidence that the Gutter averted trolling, spam, or flames. The only thing I saw was it helping to keep people like Kijin around. So, from my perspective, it was a net negative.
The people who so desperately need to vent frustration - be they troll or technician - can and should go elsewhere for that. All the Gutter does is keep the trolls around.
Not true.
All we lovely trolls will still exist outside the Gutter. This refers back to the nature vs. nurture argument: The Gutter does not make a troll a troll - said troll has always been and will continue to be a troll regardless of the Gutter.
The Gutter is just a medium by which we trolls can troll without causing upset on the rest of the site and without getting ourselves banned. In doing so, we also save the moderators a lot of work in warning us trolls and deleting our posts and banning our accounts.
so do you think that if you weren't a gutter member (and active gutter poster for a while) you would have made that same flame?
Yes, because I made a total of like twenty posts there.
Will: I didn't say that it makes trolls, I said that it encourages trolls to stay around. kcw here, for example, would probably have left a long time ago without it.
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Yes, because I made a total of like twenty posts there.
Will: I didn't say that it makes trolls, I said that it encourages trolls to stay around. kcw here, for example, would probably have left a long time ago without it.
It's possible that without the Gutter he'd have lost interest and left. It's also possible he'd have ****bombed the forum instead - which goes right back to the points offered by myself and various others.
Will: I didn't say that it makes trolls, I said that it encourages trolls to stay around. kcw here, for example, would probably have left a long time ago without it.
Yet again - if Kijin is such a horrible troll outside the gutter, how come he hasn't been banned? Wouldn't that be a more appropriate way to deal with his behavior than closing a forum?
It's possible that without the Gutter he'd have lost interest and left. It's also possible he'd have ****bombed the forum instead - which goes right back to the points offered by myself and various others.
And then he would have been banned, a better solution for everyone.
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If his trolling is bad enough to merit banning, then he should be banned.
If it's not, then there's no problem.
Neither scenario provides a reason to close the gutter.
Key to this is that the Gutter keeps them just below outright trolling.
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Key to this is that the Gutter keeps them just below outright trolling.
If he is not breaking the rules, then the problem is...what, again? You don't like his behavior? People who feel that way should seek to change the forum rules to make the unacceptable behavior grounds for a ban.
I simply don't understand "some of the members of one forum aren't quite breaking the rules, but I don't like what they're doing outside the forum; ergo we should close this forum."
In the time I spent at the gutter (which was i think 1 month of lurking followed by 3 months of not caring followed by 1 month of acting the exact opposite i do on the rest of the site followed by me getting gutterbanned), I didnt notice anything negative actually happen. The gutter is a place that is somewhat needed here, as some people can post some stuff that they want to get off their mind. But it was also a bit one sided. I enjoyed my time there, and it had no negative impact on me towards the rest of the site, as one can obviously tell. I dont care about it anymore, I tried to be a part of it, and it didnt suit me well at all, as was proved by me getting removed from those boards. But that shouldnt merit a whole board of people doing their own little thing being closed off to the outside world, as eventually something will happen and they will end up exterminating themselves, and do we really want them free on the rest of the site?
The problem with any action you take to phase out or close the Gutter is that the only people who care about it are the people in the Gutter. That's why there's an overwhelming negative response - the other users of the forum just don't care enough.
In my opinion, if you're going to have the natural behavior of trolling and flaming other members, the community doesn't need you to post. If you're just going to fail to follow the forum rules by your nature, then perhaps posting on this forum isn't for you. Go to 4chan or SA.
If you need a place to rant where other users can read, we have blogs now, blogs with no censor (although I guess you can't post porn, but if you need to view a forum to get porn, you need help). You don't need the Gutter to do it.
If the Gutter patrons feel they need a place to become the new Gutter, www.proboards.com.
The problem with any action you take to phase out or close the Gutter is that the only people who care about it are the people in the Gutter. That's why there's an overwhelming negative response - the other users of the forum just don't care enough.
If the gutter isn't bothering any non-gutter-members, then there's no reason to get rid of it.
If the gutter isn't bothering any non-gutter-members, then there's no reason to get rid of it.
Which is why I really don't care too much about what happens either way.
It's not like this is US foreign policy we're talking about here. If the Gutter phases out and the members inside commit the worst and troll every single member on the site, they'll get banned, and everything will go back to normal (if not better - or perhaps worse).
That's the worst case scenario. Is that a dozen or so people post some spiteful words directed at me, and get banned for it.
That's not going to drive up gas prices. That's not going to make me fail my next Calculus test (or pass it, for that matter). It's not going to get me a date, or cause me to fail at Magic (I already do that one ;)).
The worst that's going to happen is that someone will make an ass of themself and get in trouble for it.
Since I was never really a very active member of the Gutter (I only ever really lurked, and that's all I really wanted to do until I was drawn out of the shadows :(), I completely forgot the point I was going to make here. Not because I wasn't an active poster, but because I have a bad short-term memory.
The only thing I remember about the gutter was the Nicest Member debacle. It was funny once they had the tiebreaker vote and the only people supporting kcw were other gutter members. I don't mind them personally, I just thought that was pretty funny.
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Doing this to The Gutter will not stop trolling. If anything, it will make it worse. Nor would closing The Gutter fix the problem. The Gutter is a group of people, many of whom happen to be trolls. With or without the Gutter they will be trolls. The best course of action is to leave the Gutter alone and give infractions to those who troll. If they continue to get infractions, ban them. That is the solution, ending new membership to The Gutter really does not fix the problem.
Doing this to The Gutter will not stop trolling. If anything, it will make it worse. Nor would closing The Gutter fix the problem. The Gutter is a group of people, many of whom happen to be trolls. With or without the Gutter they will be trolls. The best course of action is to leave the Gutter alone and give infractions to those who troll. If they continue to get infractions, ban them. That is the solution, ending new membership to The Gutter really does not fix the problem.
And that is what we shall do.
I agree with SG, and I feel dirty.
A decision has been reached, and The Gutter is not being closed. It will be left alone.
The panic let you have tons more members, so be glad.
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haha.
When I was a mod, I never saw any evidence that the Gutter averted trolling, spam, or flames. The only thing I saw was it helping to keep people like Kijin around. So, from my perspective, it was a net negative.
The people who so desperately need to vent frustration - be they troll or technician - can and should go elsewhere for that. All the Gutter does is keep the trolls around.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Either way, simply denying entrance into anywhere, is essentially a death sentence. you have to have fresh meat coming in otherwise the butcher runs out of stock. Eventually people are gonna up and dissappear prematurely. Of course I could be mistaken in assuming that it is just someplace to go and just be you, but I can't really tell much of anything right now as I have just spent the past week proving I have no life. I'm pretty much numb to everything anyway. High Five!
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so do you think that if you weren't a gutter member (and active gutter poster for a while) you would have made that same flame?
You don't need the gutter, you need therapy
Not true.
All we lovely trolls will still exist outside the Gutter. This refers back to the nature vs. nurture argument: The Gutter does not make a troll a troll - said troll has always been and will continue to be a troll regardless of the Gutter.
The Gutter is just a medium by which we trolls can troll without causing upset on the rest of the site and without getting ourselves banned. In doing so, we also save the moderators a lot of work in warning us trolls and deleting our posts and banning our accounts.
So it does have a net positive.
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Yes, because I made a total of like twenty posts there.
Will: I didn't say that it makes trolls, I said that it encourages trolls to stay around. kcw here, for example, would probably have left a long time ago without it.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Therapy is how I got this way...:(
Thanks to the boys at Epic Graphics for the Sig.
My words to live by:
Never kick a walrus in the face, for the tusks are pointy and will make you bleed.
PANTS ARE FOR THE WEAK!
http://www.yamisoft.com/flashback/faxanadu.html
It's possible that without the Gutter he'd have lost interest and left. It's also possible he'd have ****bombed the forum instead - which goes right back to the points offered by myself and various others.
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And then he would have been banned, a better solution for everyone.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
If it's not, then there's no problem.
Neither scenario provides a reason to close the gutter.
Key to this is that the Gutter keeps them just below outright trolling.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
I simply don't understand "some of the members of one forum aren't quite breaking the rules, but I don't like what they're doing outside the forum; ergo we should close this forum."
In my opinion, if you're going to have the natural behavior of trolling and flaming other members, the community doesn't need you to post. If you're just going to fail to follow the forum rules by your nature, then perhaps posting on this forum isn't for you. Go to 4chan or SA.
If you need a place to rant where other users can read, we have blogs now, blogs with no censor (although I guess you can't post porn, but if you need to view a forum to get porn, you need help). You don't need the Gutter to do it.
If the Gutter patrons feel they need a place to become the new Gutter, www.proboards.com.
Which is why I really don't care too much about what happens either way.
It's not like this is US foreign policy we're talking about here. If the Gutter phases out and the members inside commit the worst and troll every single member on the site, they'll get banned, and everything will go back to normal (if not better - or perhaps worse).
That's the worst case scenario. Is that a dozen or so people post some spiteful words directed at me, and get banned for it.
That's not going to drive up gas prices. That's not going to make me fail my next Calculus test (or pass it, for that matter). It's not going to get me a date, or cause me to fail at Magic (I already do that one ;)).
The worst that's going to happen is that someone will make an ass of themself and get in trouble for it.
Since I was never really a very active member of the Gutter (I only ever really lurked, and that's all I really wanted to do until I was drawn out of the shadows :(), I completely forgot the point I was going to make here. Not because I wasn't an active poster, but because I have a bad short-term memory.
And that is what we shall do.
I agree with SG, and I feel dirty.
A decision has been reached, and The Gutter is not being closed. It will be left alone.
The panic let you have tons more members, so be glad.
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