i think with the glut of reprints, they can do away with core
i think this was the article that mysteriously didn;t mention 11th...
Negative.
Observant readers may have noticed that the official announcement listed the size of the next core set as unknown. Why then does my graph show a number for it? Because as a member of the team working on the set I’m quite confident in the 229 number, but since the set is not officially finished yet, technically the official number is still TBD. Nonetheless, even if the set shifts slightly we’ll definitely still be sticking with our new “print fewer” philosophy.
This is super-off topic though, so lets keep this on topic, ok?
Lets try to piece together more of these so I can add more to the spoiler.
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while i wasn't completely serious, it's not as if "you win the game" hasn't ever appeared on a card before, and we all know how much those cards rocked metagames...
For the grixis ultimatum - if you kill their favourite creature, then get to do the opposite, then that ability would let you kill any creature in play and return any creature from any graveyard to play. Potentially letting you kill the big creature, steal it, gain 5 life, deal 5 damage to their face, draw 3 cards and make them discard 3.
The grixis charm is going to be insane... Draw or cause to discard 2 at instant speed for 3 mana? That is amazing...
Yes, it is. Specially because it's not an early game spell, so you have time to actually time it correctly. I say this one gets more play than all the others combined.
Read the entire thread if you're going to post. If you don't have time, then too bad, you can't post here. What you were going to say has already been said, anyway. Thanks.
For the sake of everyone's sanity will people stop posting speculation about cards in here. No one knows what is real and what isn't and its hard enough to find the cards that have been spoiled without searching through 8 pages of speculation from people who have 0 inside information
@ R_E for it was almost a same time post: I am not too lazy to read every post, in fact i have done so, but i am so lost now due to everyones speculation (which i believe is not on topic at all). If you deleted things that have answered my plea then thank you, if not can you please do so?
:pGrixis Ultimatum :symu::symu::symb::symb::symb::symr::symr:
Sorcery
Destroy target creature. Its controller discards three cards. Grixis Ultimatum deals 5 damage to that player. Then, return target creature card in your graveyard to play. Draw 3 cards. You gain 5 life.
.....YESS THAT CARD...I USE TO LOVE REANIMATE....OK HERE IS THE DEAL...
.....DESTROY CRAPY CRATURE U CONTROL...DISCARD,AKROMA(white),AKROMA(red),OONA,(because is sexy),RETURN THE ONE THAT WILL WIN THE GAME,DRAW 3 CARDS,DONT LOSE LIFE(play this card only if u have more than 5 life).....THAT SEEMS FUN....:o:o:o:o:o:o:o LOL
Actually, you have to target a creature in your yard before you get the chance to discard one.:teach:
If the knight costs WW it might be good, especially if it puts the land into play.
I hope the Dragon has haste, because then it might actually be a good application of Devour.
Really.....thats Why It Says...(then.....) Explain...
1) The ellipsis cannot be used in this way. You're making yourself look like an indecisive guy who forgot what he was typing midsentence and doesn't know there's a backspace key.
2) You declare targets when you play a spell. "Then" has nothing to do with it because you have to declare a legal target for all instances of the word "target" when you play the spell, i.e. before you discard.
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Tarmogoyf has no evasion, yet it sees tonnes of play. What makes this any different?
The reprint of naturalize and cancel makes me sad and yeah Goblin Mountaineer too. Not only we get less cards now in the expansions...more of them are reprints? Useless and/or redundant? Will they print Naturalize again in 11th? Most likely, if they dont, there will be a whole block without naturalize... unless they reprint it again in that block, which would be sad again. Arent these expansions "advanced"? Reprints of O-Ring and Infest I understand, but reprints of the most basic staples which sole purpose of existing is to set the average bar that similar spells in advanced sets need to overpass? I dont see any logic on this... I really really expect a whole MaRo's column on trying to explain this ridiculousness.
I hope the reason is that they are gonna remake totally core sets to include real good staples instead the unexciting boring "staples" of always. Tarfire instead shock, Lightning Angel instead Serra Angel, etc.
Most of the other cards are great, though. The Knight with the Wood Elves ability sounds promising. Maybe it will be costed 1GW (Im not sure about that kithkin reference) and it will look for a plains, forest or island, which would be reaaally good.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
And I hate having to get penalties in this..... so lets fix are big problems.
Instant Bob = Ad Nauseam BB3 (Repeat after doing Bob effect)
ULTIMATUM LIST:
CRUEL : uubbbrr
Sorcery
Opponent Sacs a creature, you bring a creature from grave to hand.
Opponent Discards 3 Cards, you draw 3 Cards
Opponent Loses 5 Life, You Gain 5 life.
VIOLENT: BBRRRGG
Sorcery:
Trips Vindicate
BRILLIANT: WWUUUBB
Sorcery:
Fact or Fiction, Mind Desire all cards chosen by you.
CLARION: GGWWWUU
Sorcery
Pick 5 Permanents you control, go into the deck put into play tapped a copy of each permanent.
Knight of the White Orchid : WW
First Strike...... find a PLAINS card..... put into play untapped... if and only if .... you have less lands than opponent.
2/2
And the BONUS Round..... .since we didn't have to go into overtime.... lets fill in the holes in the picture of that White planeswalker we saw...
Elsperth, Knight Errant 2WW
+1: Loves to make weenie soldiers........
+1: Angelic Blessing for a turn...................
-8: For the rest of the game..... your stuff....... INDESTRUCTIBLE
You will need at least 4 turns pumping to make the super spell work
Time for sleep.....we'll play tomorrow....... Goodnight Team...... Buy Magic Cards!!!!!!!!!!!
The planeswalker must start at 4. It seems okay, but I don't really like any of the Alara planeswalkers. Clarion Ultimatum is pure garbage, and Cruel Ultimatum is not nearly as good as we speculated, but it is still an 8 : 1. Thanks for bringing some new rumors to these boards.
The reprint of naturalize and cancel makes me sad and yeah Goblin Mountaineer too. Not only we get less cards now in the expansions...more of them are reprints?
wait
we do not know if they will be releasing more sets in the same amount of time, ie, instead of 3 sets a year, they shift to 4 sets a year
Elsperth, Knight Errant 2WW
+1: Loves to make weenie soldiers........
+1: Angelic Blessing for a turn...................
-8: For the rest of the game..... your stuff....... INDESTRUCTIBLE
Let's try and template, shall we?
Elsperth, Knight Errant 2WW
+1: Put a 1/1 human solider token into play.
+1: Target creature gets +3/+3 and gains flying until end of turn.
-8: Creatures you control are indestructible until the end of the game.
Honestly, I think she's a lot better then everyone thought...
interesting. I'd love to see how many soldiers it actually makes a turn, but i don't really see that ultimate ability doing much for constructed.
The knight seems nice, but if the ability only works if you're behind on land, i don't think it'll make much of a splash.
Ultimatums look fun though, can't wait to plow through people with those.
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A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Elsperth, Knight Errant 2WW
+1: Loves to make weenie soldiers........
+1: Angelic Blessing for a turn...................
-8: For the rest of the game..... your stuff....... INDESTRUCTIBLE
You will need at least 4 turns pumping to make the super spell work
as it has been said, gilder bairn
and of course, doubling season
and this is weird... it's TWO plus ones...
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Negative.
This is super-off topic though, so lets keep this on topic, ok?
Lets try to piece together more of these so I can add more to the spoiler.
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Is there a reason Oblivion Ring hasn't been added?
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You forgot Door to Nothingness. Pretty much the same thing as the Ultimatums... Ridiculous mana cost = win.
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Yes, it is. Specially because it's not an early game spell, so you have time to actually time it correctly. I say this one gets more play than all the others combined.
much apologies seds...
question though, again on the number of instances of the word basic
if the fetch lands will take 5 instances and basic's 20 are there...
how can that one charm stipulate you need to control only basic lands?
either:
1. basic does not count the 20 instances of basic lands
2. the charm will not reference the word basic
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Read the entire thread if you're going to post. If you don't have time, then too bad, you can't post here. What you were going to say has already been said, anyway. Thanks.
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@ R_E for it was almost a same time post: I am not too lazy to read every post, in fact i have done so, but i am so lost now due to everyones speculation (which i believe is not on topic at all). If you deleted things that have answered my plea then thank you, if not can you please do so?
If the knight costs WW it might be good, especially if it puts the land into play.
I hope the Dragon has haste, because then it might actually be a good application of Devour.
1) The ellipsis cannot be used in this way. You're making yourself look like an indecisive guy who forgot what he was typing midsentence and doesn't know there's a backspace key.
2) You declare targets when you play a spell. "Then" has nothing to do with it because you have to declare a legal target for all instances of the word "target" when you play the spell, i.e. before you discard.
I hope the reason is that they are gonna remake totally core sets to include real good staples instead the unexciting boring "staples" of always. Tarfire instead shock, Lightning Angel instead Serra Angel, etc.
Most of the other cards are great, though. The Knight with the Wood Elves ability sounds promising. Maybe it will be costed 1GW (Im not sure about that kithkin reference) and it will look for a plains, forest or island, which would be reaaally good.
And I hate having to get penalties in this..... so lets fix are big problems.
Instant Bob = Ad Nauseam BB3 (Repeat after doing Bob effect)
ULTIMATUM LIST:
CRUEL : uubbbrr
Sorcery
Opponent Sacs a creature, you bring a creature from grave to hand.
Opponent Discards 3 Cards, you draw 3 Cards
Opponent Loses 5 Life, You Gain 5 life.
VIOLENT: BBRRRGG
Sorcery:
Trips Vindicate
BRILLIANT: WWUUUBB
Sorcery:
Fact or Fiction, Mind Desire all cards chosen by you.
CLARION: GGWWWUU
Sorcery
Pick 5 Permanents you control, go into the deck put into play tapped a copy of each permanent.
Knight of the White Orchid : WW
First Strike...... find a PLAINS card..... put into play untapped... if and only if .... you have less lands than opponent.
2/2
And the BONUS Round..... .since we didn't have to go into overtime.... lets fill in the holes in the picture of that White planeswalker we saw...
Elsperth, Knight Errant 2WW
+1: Loves to make weenie soldiers........
+1: Angelic Blessing for a turn...................
-8: For the rest of the game..... your stuff....... INDESTRUCTIBLE
You will need at least 4 turns pumping to make the super spell work
Time for sleep.....we'll play tomorrow....... Goodnight Team...... Buy Magic Cards!!!!!!!!!!!
And brilliant says... "What?" thats definitely a you win the game card
Im assuming you fact or fiction then can choose to play 1 of those cards for free?
I dont understand the "Bob" thing... Draw a card and all creatures get -1-1 until end of turn?
MY TYPE TOO DECKS
-B Rogues
-Sanguine Bond 5c Life gain
-Polymorph Tokens
MY EXTENDED DECK
-BWrRs deck for da winz!
MY TYPE ONE DECK
-Fluctuator
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Haikus are easy
But sometimes they don't make sense
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First Strike...... find a PLAINS card..... put into play untapped... if and only if .... you have less lands than opponent.
2/2
He didn't say basic plains so heres hoping we get those shock lands back. White really needs an effect like this.
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They separate the piles, you choose one pile and can play cards within it for free.
Edit: And yeah, the Knight seems like an excellent weenie.
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The planeswalker must start at 4. It seems okay, but I don't really like any of the Alara planeswalkers. Clarion Ultimatum is pure garbage, and Cruel Ultimatum is not nearly as good as we speculated, but it is still an 8 : 1. Thanks for bringing some new rumors to these boards.
wait
we do not know if they will be releasing more sets in the same amount of time, ie, instead of 3 sets a year, they shift to 4 sets a year
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Let's try and template, shall we?
Elsperth, Knight Errant 2WW
+1: Put a 1/1 human solider token into play.
+1: Target creature gets +3/+3 and gains flying until end of turn.
-8: Creatures you control are indestructible until the end of the game.
Honestly, I think she's a lot better then everyone thought...
The knight seems nice, but if the ability only works if you're behind on land, i don't think it'll make much of a splash.
Ultimatums look fun though, can't wait to plow through people with those.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
as it has been said, gilder bairn
and of course, doubling season
and this is weird... it's TWO plus ones...