Thanks Kraj, but I think I'm pretty much back (although when the real work starts next week there may be a temporary dip in activity).
Also, my spreadsheet with al the game inforation has decided to die and refuse to open, so my knowledge of the gamestate will be a bit rubbish until I re-create it and put the damn equations back in >.<
Also, Unvote while the issue is mulled over
Ced raises some good points against sandsoft, and kman's attitude has changed causing me to lose a degree of suspicion.
I am behind ced's point that one of the two pairs is scum. The problem is, how to determine?
I guess the optimum is to lynch a member of one, then I ivestigate the other pair tonight, to confirm (save if there is a roleblocker, of course.)
so I guess the town needs to choose someone to lynch out of the pairs. top candidates appear to be kman and yare. If we ignore the votes of each pair (assuming they will be biased against the other) we have 7 voters, allowing us to lynch someone.
Would be it feasable and/or productive to ask the respective pairs of suspects not to vote? Just an idea; obviously, we can't stop them.
i won't lie to you eco, chances are you will be killed by the mafia tonight. it would be dumb of them not to kill you since you are the cop and the only one that can find them without trying to catch a slip of words. i don't see the point of unvoting. i'll do it but i'd like to know why first.
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...I would also like to ask Yare and sandsoft the following question:
Which one of you would you say contributed more to your night discussion on night 1?...
You can decide for yourself by reading the entirety of our discussion last night:
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The first thing of note is my concern if one of us should be killed tonight. Normally, if one of us is about to be lynched, we can come forward and be like "hey, I'm his mason brother and I know he is town." But, if we get killed during the night, there isn't a way to handle that clearly because if you claim that someone who is dead was your mason brother, they may not believe you. Fortunately, I have left both of us a gift in this post. I don't know if you noticed it, but if you look, I have some awkward capitalization. The capitalization actually goes like this:
MUST A R D. S S
See! Mustard is Sandsoft. If this isn't enough to convince them that you're town, I don't know what will. There is no way that I could have known that you are mustard during the first day unless I had specific information about you. If they question whether I'm referring to sandsoft as opposed to another player, but sure to point out that the S in "Sorry" is capitalized unusually; this was to separate you from Sephiroth Owa.
Additionally, I think I can clear myself should you die because I can go "Look, I knew he was mustard all along!" Additionally, you left me some support in this post after Sephiroth Owa questioned wedge's lurking in this post. So, I think that regardless of what happens, even if one of us dies, we should be able to cling to that post as clearing us; there is just no other logical explanation for it.
That being said, we shouldn't play that card unless we absolutely have to, namely if one of us gets to -2 of a lynch. If you're not -2, don't say anything about it, unless for some reason you absolutely feel you have to. The scum might target us if they know that we know about each other. That's why I tried to hide the message. I don't know if the scum will pick up on it or not because I'm usually really good about my grammar. I'm hoping that they don't, but we'll see.
That being said, I don't really have a theory on who is mafia now, as I was pretty sure about hshadowa. Sephiroth Owa comes to mind just in general. The problem is that the case was such a slam dunk for hshadowa that accusing anybody is gonna be hard.
Let me know what you think about all this. We have three days to talk it over.
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You, sir, are a genius. I love your code
I'd try to set one up, but what to do with K? Komon?
Hmm...
I agree on the -2 point. Everything you have said there I agree with.
My scumdar has:
1. Weeping Willow, lurker.
2. Ace, his posts rub me the wrong way.
Other than that, our short day 1 has left us with very little information. I pray that hshadowa is scum.
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No, we found out hshadowa is town, which was surprising.
I really don't think you need to make a secret code for me because I think my posting that I knew you were mustard during day one (when NOBODY has talked or investigated, not even scum) ahead of time should be enough if you are dead (since we'll know your name and that you are town by then). So, effectively, you would clear me from beyond the grave because I would have knowledge that nobody else could know at that time. So, unless you disagree with that, I don't think a code is necessary or even desirable. It is better that the scum doesn't know that we each know the other is town. Basically, I don't really see any way we can die from anything but a night kill.
I'll take your suggestions in mind when I look over the thread again, knowing that hshadowa is town. I'll let you know what I think sometime in the near future, which will probably be tomorrow.
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Ok, so I re-read the thread and here are my thoughts:
The first post that stuck out to me was post #84 by ecophagy where he asks what roles people think are out there. Other than idle speculation, I don't really see the point of this post. To me, that says ecophagy either 1) has an unusual role or 2) is trying to find town power roles. People provide the typical "cop, doc, 3 mafia" response and don't give anything of substance.
I agree that Ace's posting style is very random and spammy. His posts are short and don't seem to have a lot of substance to them. His vote after hshadowa had clearly already been lynched is very suspect; it really serves no point at all. Perhaps he wanted to show solidarity with the town. Perhaps he didn't know the vote count.
Sephiroth has just kind of been all over, I'm not really sure how I feel about him. The one thing that is of interest is where he was kind of joking about FoSing you...but then decided to keep on with it later, suggesting it wasn't really a joke. This seemed a little too subtle.
Finally, there is weeping willow. She's been lurking a lot, and as you pointed out in game, she suddenly appears right after the lynch and is like "oh, I hope we got scum" which serves no purpose at all. It just struck me as a very novice scum play.
ced, in post 134, agrees that ecophagy and Ace are suspicious; apparently I'm not the only one that thinks that. Of course, he may also be scum picking up on the worst things out there. That nobody pursued that with him, though, suggests he didn't have scum buddies helping him. Therefore, I think he is town.
So, if I had to pick a top 4 right now, I would say, from most scummy to least scummy.
1. weeping willow
2. ecophagy
3. ace
4. sephiroth
I'm not saying this is who we should pursue for sure tomorrow or that things won't change come tomorrow; it's just who I suspect the most right now. Feel free to tell me what you think about these suggestions. I think going after any of the top 3 would be a good play at this point, though I probably strongly prefer weeping willow over ecophagy, and ecophagy over ace.
One final thing of note: I don't think we can get a lot out of anything anybody did in voting for hshadowa because the case was pretty overwhelming against him. It's no wonder the day ended so quickly.
Please let me know your thoughts, if you have any, before the day begins. Even if it's "I have noted your PM and don't really have anything to add", please send that.
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Totally agree with everything you say. I have a feeling i'm going to be targeted tomorrow because of my hand in hshadowa's death. Scum would love to attack me. Let's cross our fingers and hope we both see the sun rise.
I didn't notice ecophagy, but your points have arroused suspicion of him. He did seem to be looking for some kind of information other than the obvious.
Willow is still my number one suspect, as all of her posts contain a lack of content and are always: "Lets get scum."
It really seems like a noob scum trying to hide.
Ace will be a bit harder to attack.
Other than that, I agree with everything. Good job Yare!
i won't lie to you eco, chances are you will be killed by the mafia tonight. it would be dumb of them not to kill you since you are the cop and the only one that can find them without trying to catch a slip of words. i don't see the point of unvoting. i'll do it but i'd like to know why first.
Well, I *hope* the doc'll protect me, since protecting one mason is pointless if the other dies, and the masons lose value since they are exposed anyway.
and do you want reasons for my unvote, or why you should unvote?
you were a little ambiguous.
we have either have expert scum, or some real masons.
I'm inclined toward the latter...
Agreed.
I find it incredibly foolish to being jumping upon masons, especially when Yare and SS have (quite obviously) sufficient evidence to confirm their mason role (might I just mess up things and jokingly suggest a Cult? Nah, probably too big for a newbie game.). Attacking Yare sends off warning bells in my head, as it seems more of a distraction attempt than a real argument. Mafia have everything to gain from eliminating either Mason, as it reduces the confirmed roles and convolutes the rest of the identities.
and kman's attitude has changed causing me to lose a degree of suspicion.
Really? All I see is kman reiterating what he has already said, and essentially just saying "Read it over" to Yare. Where do you get this idea of a changed attitude from? It makes it seem that you want to subtly protect kman by suggesting that he's "reformed", no?
Well, I *hope* the doc'll protect me, since protecting one mason is pointless if the other dies, and the masons lose value since they are exposed anyway.
Since we're in the habit of picking up on obvious things said without reasons (see Weeping Willow's post after lynching on Day 1), this seems strange. Okay, if you're cop, fair enough - you'll want to be saved, but would you really need to ask for it? From our point of view, wouldn't this phrasing suggest a scum attempting to persuade the doc to save him, rather than the masonry or the real cop? Just a thought.
vote yare. if you are town it's not a huge loss cause you really haven't helped us much.
This post is what irks me the most. That is really destructive thinking for the town, as killing off a confirmed townie allows for the mafia to regroup and eliminate another townie. So, your "big loss" would result in two dead townies, and possibly one of them being a power role.
In regards to Yare and SS, I can't see this as a mafia ploy, sorry. It seems planned too effectively, and although some of you think that the masons can't exist in newbie mafia, I guess my response would be that anything can happen (after all, they're not that special - they simply can talk at night).
sure, I was thinking since we have sort of two conflicting (and we assume, mutually exclusive) groups. thus, if the members of those groups (as you listed above) don't vote, we remove a degree of bias (and potentially 2 scum votes)
just an idea, i dont know if it would work, or help, in practise.
what are the rules about quoting pm's? i thought we weren't allowed to do that. im wondering cause if he didn't really quote a pm he wouldn't be breaking a rule. it does look real though.
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well, Kman has been less aggressive, and ced brought up the points against sandsoft. I'm going to leave my vote off till tomorrow, since I need to think and am really tired.
I mainly said that because kman said I would probably die tonight, so I was just pointing out obvious.
Honestly, it probably be better to save myself -- there are no counter claims, and masons become basically useless when single. so unless the doc thinks i am lying through my teeth, and am not the real cop, then I think I am a fair (probably the best) target.
"do not quote any PMs from me" (ie Kraj) so it looks like Yare is ok, although an official ruling would be appreciated.
I assume it's alright. There's likely no rule because not many people would ever want to reveal pm's (mafia, cults, masons, etc), and those that do can be flagged as possible mafia.
Though I disagree that Yare and SS are scummy in this scenario.
Actually, that would be a good point. Mod? Ruling on this please.
To the best of my knowledge, standard mafia rules say players only may not quote PMs between players and the mod. PMs sent from player to player are not off limits since they are the words of the players. I will ask for input from more experienced mods in the discussion thread for future reference, but that was my intention when I wrote the rules.
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i honestly don't know yare. i don't think bilbro is scum because if he is he probably wouldn't have sided with me like he did. it would've been smarter for him to side with the masons. i think the next best thing we can do is look at the lurkers like shino and ikkelest. (im sorry if i spelled your names wrong there) unvote.
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Considering I already had to prod him once, which he responded to and then promptly vanished again, I've put out a request for his replacement. If none is found in the next couple days and he does not return, he will be modkilled.
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Considering I already had to prod him once, which he responded to and then promptly vanished again, I've put out a request for his replacement. If none is found in the next couple days and he does not return, he will be modkilled.
Modkills make me sad. Replacement would make me happier.
How about PMing the people on the replacment list? Would that be helpful? It would make the people on the list more aware of the fact that we need them, at the very least?
I've been pretty sick, coughing up some blood and having mucus ooze out from my eyes. Antibiotics and decongestants are doing wonders for me right now, however.
Honestly, that ikkleste thinks I'm an ingenious scum is rather flattering.
However, given the unlikelihood that sandsoft and I are scum (which others have explained), I would suggest that there are surely better targets out there today for the lynch.
However, given the unlikelihood that sandsoft and I are scum (which others have explained), I would suggest that there are surely better targets out there today for the lynch.
He has a point ikkleste. your suspicions are noted, but really I think someone else would be better for the chop. Perhaps if both masons survive a few days and start looking more like scum, then we'll get one. (I could investigate as well, but I'd prefer to go for a a better target tonight)
I think Seph definately needs to pick up the posting (lest he end up like soon-to-be-modkilled shino). Also, ikkleste, I (and probably others) would prefer more frequent, if less detailed posts. If this is a reasonable thing to ask (allowing for RL constraints). Makes you look less lurky
I still beleive Yare and SS_B to be scum, but there seems to be no foreseeable meathod with which to persuade my fellow townsmen at the current time. With that said, I once again:
a) Feel that Ecophagy is probably the doc (given the absence of counterclaims)
b) feel that Kman is town
c) wonder how the case on kman got started (if I could get a decent explanation for this, it would be helpful)
d) Really, really, hope that Shino is not the doc, being that he is soon to be modkilled.
e) am supportive of the more Seph and Ik posts movement
f) am going to do a complete reread on ced, ace, ik, seph, kpaca, and whoever else so that I can get a better feel for them
Unvote.
a) Feel that Ecophagy is probably the doc (given the absence of counterclaims)
Presumably, you mean cop (cause that's what i claimed :P)
Also, if you believe me, you have little reason to look at ced, given my investigation turned him innocent.
The case on kman got started because Yare voted for weeping willow offering no reason, and kamn responed quite aggressively) that this was clearly a random vote and that yare's position as basically confirmed town did not give him the right to point fingers randomly.
Many of us saw this as a scum buddy stepping in to protect another, thereby making kman look scummy.
I still beleive Yare and SS_B to be scum, but there seems to be no foreseeable meathod with which to persuade my fellow townsmen at the current time. With that said, I once again:
a) Feel that Ecophagy is probably the doc (given the absence of counterclaims)
b) feel that Kman is town
c) wonder how the case on kman got started (if I could get a decent explanation for this, it would be helpful)
d) Really, really, hope that Shino is not the doc, being that he is soon to be modkilled.
e) am supportive of the more Seph and Ik posts movement
f) am going to do a complete reread on ced, ace, ik, seph, kpaca, and whoever else so that I can get a better feel for them
Wait, so despite the overwhelming evidence, you believe us to be scum? Or do you believe us to be scummy? What must we do to prove that we are Masons? We gave you all of our messages from the nights.
a) How did you reach this conclusion...
b) Why?
c) Mainly started as the quick lynch thing, then devolved into a lack of defending himself and a "defeatist" approach to being lynched.
d) If Shino is the doc, we're screwed.
e) I agree. Seph and Ik need to stop lurking. I understand there are things in real life that get ya, but a semi-large post every other day shouldn't be too pressing.
f) Great. I think we can state that Yare and I have had enough flak for the time being; there are other targets that are more obvious.
sorry i haven't been on in a couple days but i had a friend sleep over yesterday and we were playing guitar all night. i'll post as soon as i can about things that have happened but right nwo i have to go eat.
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Wait, so despite the overwhelming evidence, you believe us to be scum? Or do you believe us to be scummy? What must we do to prove that we are Masons? We gave you all of our messages from the nights.
a) How did you reach this conclusion...
b) Why?
c) Mainly started as the quick lynch thing, then devolved into a lack of defending himself and a "defeatist" approach to being lynched.
d) If Shino is the doc, we're screwed.
e) I agree. Seph and Ik need to stop lurking. I understand there are things in real life that get ya, but a semi-large post every other day shouldn't be too pressing.
f) Great. I think we can state that Yare and I have had enough flak for the time being; there are other targets that are more obvious.
a) reading is tech. Also, as a forewarning, bare with me when I post things that don't really make sense. I have been running on 2-3 hours of sleep a night for coming up on a month now. Whenever I mix things up, keep this in mind. When winter break start (20th of december) I will probably be having a three day sleeping marathon.
b) This is mainly gut instinct. Kman just doesn't seem like scum to me. I am unsure why, but he just doesn't strike me as scum.
c) If this is a good reason for lynching, there is something wrong. Scum or more likly to defend themselves because their team is just so small in compairison to the town.
d) agreed heavily. Anyone attemped to e-mail him? that might get him, assuming the e-mail doesn't get tossed into the spam bin.
e) a short post should be sufficient.
f) don't take this to mean that you're out of the eyes of suspicion in mine eyes.
Sandsoft's right on this one. He and Yare have managed to provide pretty good evidence that they are who they claim to be.
This is a general response to the points raised by both Bilbro and Sandsoft:
a)
SS: Generally, a claimed role with no counterclaims will be that claimed role until counterclaims exist. Also, I have proof that Eco is cop sitting in my PM folder :D.
b)
Bilbro: This sort of thing is why I've connected you to kman with your mutual defense of eachother (particularly the way kman did this by attacking your aggressors). Also, answer SS on this one. I want to know why too.
c)
Bilbro: It's pretty clear if you have read the thread, how the whole thing on kman started.
d)
I have a feeling he isn't the doc. I currently think that the reason behind the lack of NK was the doc saving somebody. The doc must have read the thread, made a good guess who the cop was, and reached the same conclusion as the mafia. Shino certainly wasn't too active day 1, and I doubt he'd have been rereading that much if he hasn't been posting.
e)
I've noticed Ikkleste a lot more than I've noticed Seph or, say, Ace. For me, that also indicates that there's been less content in the latters' posts too.
f)
Bilbro: Could you explain why you are suspicious of me? I can understand the others, since they haven't been posting perhaps as much as they should be, but I'm pretty sure I have.
b) I never conciously defended Kman. I simply looked at who I thought seemed scummiest, and attacked them.
c) see above when I addressed the same issue with sandsoft.
d) Was that a claim? Please, for the love of God, tell me that you did not just claim. I think you claimed. You idiot.
e) true, but I have been noticing quite a bit of ace-postings.
f) I just don't have a feel for you. I'm not suspicious of you, I don't have a handle on your playstyle.
a) Woops, my bad guys. I missed his claim O_O
b) Gut instinct is not evidence or a case.
c) So if a person defends them self, they're scum? And if there's a good reason for lynching them, there really isn't? I am insanely confused by your point.
e) Short would not be. It lets them day-sight lurk.
f) Gut feeling?
I'm still waiting on kman's impressions about scum before I am willing to move on to somebody else.
I have also noted Seph's lack of activity.
i think ace has drifted through this game pretty easily, a little to easily. he has only made 28 post this game and i have seen him lurk. i would like to hear more from him and i would like to see a case made by him against who he thinks is most likely scum. seph has been a little on inactive side but im getting town vibes from him, not strong town vibes, but town vibes.
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a) Woops, my bad guys. I missed his claim O_O
b) Gut instinct is not evidence or a case.
c) So if a person defends them self, they're scum? And if there's a good reason for lynching them, there really isn't? I am insanely confused by your point.
e) Short would not be. It lets them day-sight lurk.
f) Gut feeling?
c) no, if they overreact in defending themselves, they are scum. Sorry if I confused you.
That still does not explain my second question. Overreaction can be attributed to more than in game events, just as you attribute some of your posts to exhaustion. My RL events are private, however, and I don't feel the need to explain the stories of stress created posts.
Unvote, Vote Bilbroxain.
You haven't appeared a single bit townie since you've entered this game in my eyes.
I'm sorry, but your second question appeared to be sarcastic, judging by the smiley attributed to the question. I prefer to a feel for a person's posting style so that I can understamd it. Also, a simple post saying that "there is **** going on in my life right now, I don't walk to tant about it." would be sufficent.
Wow, that come out weird. the word "have" is supposed to come before "feel", "understamd" shuold be "understand", and "walk to tant" sould be "want to talk", and that is reference to your RL being private, which is perfectly understandable.
a) Woops, my bad guys. I missed his claim O_O
b) Gut instinct is not evidence or a case.
c) So if a person defends them self, they're scum? And if there's a good reason for lynching them, there really isn't? I am insanely confused by your point.
e) Short would not be. It lets them day-sight lurk.
f) Gut feeling?
Suddenly the refrigerator door swings open, making each of you jump in surprise. You see Joe standing there, sort of slumped with eyes unfocused. You've seen him do this before: he's sleepwalking. With a swift motion Joe grabs Shino Tenshi, peels his wrapper off and takes a big, tasty bite. The wrapper gently drifts to the bottom shelf as the door slams closed. Shino Tenshi is gone as is Joe - for now. You decide to make the most out of the situation and examine the wrapper on the bottom shelf to see that Shino Tenshi was a Twinkie, Vanilla Town.
Sorry, folks. No one responded to my request for a replacement and Shino clearly isn't coming back. I will also be out of town starting tomorrow until Tuesday the 21st. I will do my best to check in but please be patient if votecounts don't come promptly.
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Don't worry, it wasn't a claim, and I am not the doc.
May I ask why, if you're a townie, why would you feel the need to point the finger and say "he's the doc!"? It seems totally unnecessary.
If this is the major problem you found with the case on kman, you have more explaining to do. You can't just give someone a pass for making a bad defense like kman did earlier.
1) I was hoping that you weren't claiming. Hence, why I asked.
2) Lurking is more a sign of lazyness than scumminess. I'm sorry if you disagree, but that's how I feel.
i just thought i would remind you guys about what we know and what i think about everyone.
ced-town
eco-town
kman-town
sandsoft-town
yare-town
bilbro-? i would like to think he's town but im unsure right now
ikkleste-? no idea really
kpaca-? gives off town vibes but could be scum
seph-? i have alread gave my views on him so just read my last post
ace-? i think ace is most likely scum because of his lurking and just scum vibes
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Thank crap Shino wasn't the doc.
This leaves 10 players, of which 4 are town (the masons, and myself and ced)
Thus, 3 of the remaining 6 are scum. Which means any target gives us relatively good odds.
Personally, I say give Bilbro the benefit of the doubt for replacing in. leaving 5 (Ikkleste, kman, sephiroth, Ace & kpaca).
Therefore, i suspect some extra analysis needs to be done on the above -- kman is (for me) in the balance -- he appears less scummy now...
Sephiroth is lurking extensively; Ace is similar (if less so) but I can't help but feeling he is clean (it might just be his style that appeals to me).
not sure about kpaca... need to have a look over.
i won't lie to you eco, chances are you will be killed by the mafia tonight. it would be dumb of them not to kill you since you are the cop and the only one that can find them without trying to catch a slip of words. i don't see the point of unvoting. i'll do it but i'd like to know why first.
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Well, I *hope* the doc'll protect me, since protecting one mason is pointless if the other dies, and the masons lose value since they are exposed anyway.
and do you want reasons for my unvote, or why you should unvote?
you were a little ambiguous.
we have either have expert scum, or some real masons.
I'm inclined toward the latter...
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Agreed.
I find it incredibly foolish to being jumping upon masons, especially when Yare and SS have (quite obviously) sufficient evidence to confirm their mason role (might I just mess up things and jokingly suggest a Cult? Nah, probably too big for a newbie game.). Attacking Yare sends off warning bells in my head, as it seems more of a distraction attempt than a real argument. Mafia have everything to gain from eliminating either Mason, as it reduces the confirmed roles and convolutes the rest of the identities.
Really? All I see is kman reiterating what he has already said, and essentially just saying "Read it over" to Yare. Where do you get this idea of a changed attitude from? It makes it seem that you want to subtly protect kman by suggesting that he's "reformed", no?
Since we're in the habit of picking up on obvious things said without reasons (see Weeping Willow's post after lynching on Day 1), this seems strange. Okay, if you're cop, fair enough - you'll want to be saved, but would you really need to ask for it? From our point of view, wouldn't this phrasing suggest a scum attempting to persuade the doc to save him, rather than the masonry or the real cop? Just a thought.
This post is what irks me the most. That is really destructive thinking for the town, as killing off a confirmed townie allows for the mafia to regroup and eliminate another townie. So, your "big loss" would result in two dead townies, and possibly one of them being a power role.
In regards to Yare and SS, I can't see this as a mafia ploy, sorry. It seems planned too effectively, and although some of you think that the masons can't exist in newbie mafia, I guess my response would be that anything can happen (after all, they're not that special - they simply can talk at night).
just an idea, i dont know if it would work, or help, in practise.
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well, Kman has been less aggressive, and ced brought up the points against sandsoft. I'm going to leave my vote off till tomorrow, since I need to think and am really tired.
I mainly said that because kman said I would probably die tonight, so I was just pointing out obvious.
Honestly, it probably be better to save myself -- there are no counter claims, and masons become basically useless when single. so unless the doc thinks i am lying through my teeth, and am not the real cop, then I think I am a fair (probably the best) target.
bugger me.
The first post says
"do not quote any PMs from me" (ie Kraj) so it looks like Yare is ok, although an official ruling would be appreciated.
I assume it's alright. There's likely no rule because not many people would ever want to reveal pm's (mafia, cults, masons, etc), and those that do can be flagged as possible mafia.
Though I disagree that Yare and SS are scummy in this scenario.
To the best of my knowledge, standard mafia rules say players only may not quote PMs between players and the mod. PMs sent from player to player are not off limits since they are the words of the players. I will ask for input from more experienced mods in the discussion thread for future reference, but that was my intention when I wrote the rules.
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Well, who do you think should go?
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Considering I already had to prod him once, which he responded to and then promptly vanished again, I've put out a request for his replacement. If none is found in the next couple days and he does not return, he will be modkilled.
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Modkills make me sad. Replacement would make me happier.
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Modkills make me sad too, but between that and stagnation it's the lesser of two evils.
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I've been pretty sick, coughing up some blood and having mucus ooze out from my eyes. Antibiotics and decongestants are doing wonders for me right now, however.
I was out getting not-so-sober.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with this sentiment.
Unbelievable. Really.
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kman, you have an opinion on who might be scum yet?
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However, given the unlikelihood that sandsoft and I are scum (which others have explained), I would suggest that there are surely better targets out there today for the lynch.
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He has a point ikkleste. your suspicions are noted, but really I think someone else would be better for the chop. Perhaps if both masons survive a few days and start looking more like scum, then we'll get one. (I could investigate as well, but I'd prefer to go for a a better target tonight)
I think Seph definately needs to pick up the posting (lest he end up like soon-to-be-modkilled shino). Also, ikkleste, I (and probably others) would prefer more frequent, if less detailed posts. If this is a reasonable thing to ask (allowing for RL constraints). Makes you look less lurky
finally @Sandsoft: Ouch, not nice. Get well soon!
I still beleive Yare and SS_B to be scum, but there seems to be no foreseeable meathod with which to persuade my fellow townsmen at the current time. With that said, I once again:
a) Feel that Ecophagy is probably the doc (given the absence of counterclaims)
b) feel that Kman is town
c) wonder how the case on kman got started (if I could get a decent explanation for this, it would be helpful)
d) Really, really, hope that Shino is not the doc, being that he is soon to be modkilled.
e) am supportive of the more Seph and Ik posts movement
f) am going to do a complete reread on ced, ace, ik, seph, kpaca, and whoever else so that I can get a better feel for them
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I have also noted Seph's lack of activity.
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Presumably, you mean cop (cause that's what i claimed :P)
Also, if you believe me, you have little reason to look at ced, given my investigation turned him innocent.
The case on kman got started because Yare voted for weeping willow offering no reason, and kamn responed quite aggressively) that this was clearly a random vote and that yare's position as basically confirmed town did not give him the right to point fingers randomly.
Many of us saw this as a scum buddy stepping in to protect another, thereby making kman look scummy.
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Wait, so despite the overwhelming evidence, you believe us to be scum? Or do you believe us to be scummy? What must we do to prove that we are Masons? We gave you all of our messages from the nights.
a) How did you reach this conclusion...
b) Why?
c) Mainly started as the quick lynch thing, then devolved into a lack of defending himself and a "defeatist" approach to being lynched.
d) If Shino is the doc, we're screwed.
e) I agree. Seph and Ik need to stop lurking. I understand there are things in real life that get ya, but a semi-large post every other day shouldn't be too pressing.
f) Great. I think we can state that Yare and I have had enough flak for the time being; there are other targets that are more obvious.
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a) reading is tech. Also, as a forewarning, bare with me when I post things that don't really make sense. I have been running on 2-3 hours of sleep a night for coming up on a month now. Whenever I mix things up, keep this in mind. When winter break start (20th of december) I will probably be having a three day sleeping marathon.
b) This is mainly gut instinct. Kman just doesn't seem like scum to me. I am unsure why, but he just doesn't strike me as scum.
c) If this is a good reason for lynching, there is something wrong. Scum or more likly to defend themselves because their team is just so small in compairison to the town.
d) agreed heavily. Anyone attemped to e-mail him? that might get him, assuming the e-mail doesn't get tossed into the spam bin.
e) a short post should be sufficient.
f) don't take this to mean that you're out of the eyes of suspicion in mine eyes.
b) I never conciously defended Kman. I simply looked at who I thought seemed scummiest, and attacked them.
c) see above when I addressed the same issue with sandsoft.
d) Was that a claim? Please, for the love of God, tell me that you did not just claim. I think you claimed. You idiot.
e) true, but I have been noticing quite a bit of ace-postings.
f) I just don't have a feel for you. I'm not suspicious of you, I don't have a handle on your playstyle.
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b) Gut instinct is not evidence or a case.
c) So if a person defends them self, they're scum? And if there's a good reason for lynching them, there really isn't? I am insanely confused by your point.
e) Short would not be. It lets them day-sight lurk.
f) Gut feeling?
i think ace has drifted through this game pretty easily, a little to easily. he has only made 28 post this game and i have seen him lurk. i would like to hear more from him and i would like to see a case made by him against who he thinks is most likely scum. seph has been a little on inactive side but im getting town vibes from him, not strong town vibes, but town vibes.
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c) no, if they overreact in defending themselves, they are scum. Sorry if I confused you.
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Unvote, Vote Bilbroxain.
You haven't appeared a single bit townie since you've entered this game in my eyes.
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Wow, that come out weird. the word "have" is supposed to come before "feel", "understamd" shuold be "understand", and "walk to tant" sould be "want to talk", and that is reference to your RL being private, which is perfectly understandable.
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2nd question. It's what you stated.
Sorry, folks. No one responded to my request for a replacement and Shino clearly isn't coming back. I will also be out of town starting tomorrow until Tuesday the 21st. I will do my best to check in but please be patient if votecounts don't come promptly.
Vote counts have been reset. But prior to this they were:
kman1474 - 2 (Sephiroth Owa, Yare)
Bilbroxain - 1 (sandsoft_blue)
Ecophagy - 1 (Ace)
Yare - 1 (kpaca)
With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.
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1) I was hoping that you weren't claiming. Hence, why I asked.
2) Lurking is more a sign of lazyness than scumminess. I'm sorry if you disagree, but that's how I feel.
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ced-town
eco-town
kman-town
sandsoft-town
yare-town
bilbro-? i would like to think he's town but im unsure right now
ikkleste-? no idea really
kpaca-? gives off town vibes but could be scum
seph-? i have alread gave my views on him so just read my last post
ace-? i think ace is most likely scum because of his lurking and just scum vibes
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This leaves 10 players, of which 4 are town (the masons, and myself and ced)
Thus, 3 of the remaining 6 are scum. Which means any target gives us relatively good odds.
Personally, I say give Bilbro the benefit of the doubt for replacing in. leaving 5 (Ikkleste, kman, sephiroth, Ace & kpaca).
Therefore, i suspect some extra analysis needs to be done on the above -- kman is (for me) in the balance -- he appears less scummy now...
Sephiroth is lurking extensively; Ace is similar (if less so) but I can't help but feeling he is clean (it might just be his style that appeals to me).
not sure about kpaca... need to have a look over.
I didn't know that happened...
Lurking, yada yada. We have to start over, and we might as well think of it as a new day. We've lost another townie.
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