371 pretty much directly contradicts that explanation.
To be honest. I hadn't really read the all thread. I was just in and to be honest I still am in massive approval of killing all of the BSG folks. Plus I hate lurkers with a passion, so this was another A in my book. I hadn't read up to the part with the restriction. And once I started reading that I rolled my eyes and hammered him.
To be honest. I hadn't really read the all thread. I was just in and to be honest I still am in massive approval of killing all of the BSG folks. Plus I hate lurkers with a passion, so this was another A in my book. I hadn't read up to the part with the restriction. And once I started reading that I rolled my eyes and hammered him.
You need better writers. This all seems made up on the spot. It also doesn't address Ced's last point.
Dagger put a "daykill" on Tilde in the random phase. Assume Tilde is scum and Dagger is town. This would have been a perfect chance for reprisal. Doesn't fit very well, does it?
It seems we'll know the truth of it soon enough.
I don't really follow this. Why would counter-daykilling be a legitimate response? The positioning of the daykill(s) was overwhelmingly likely to be fake, and I don't see how not going "NO U" and genuinely shooting them is more indicative of a townie than not doing so...
DV's last few posts look really bad. He used Cyan's favourite tell "to be honest" twice, and it seems jarring and -as ced pointed out- contradictory. Someone to look into tomorrow.
FTR, this is hugely awesome, as we get to analyze a "townie" wagon (scum didn't know he wasn't town) day 2 w/o wasting a lynch on a townie. Also, Tilde being a neutral (my read was hostile neutral, but he's not actually completely anti-town) makes so much fall into place.
Props to WoD for making a role that has to (can) make a hasty daykill and then giving it to Tilde. If that was random, it's proof that God has a sense of humor.
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As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I still don't believe Tilde. But even if he is telling the truth about being a Survivor, I was right. He acted like scum, because he played a role that 99% of people play in a scummy fashion.
And I'm pretty sure that he lied about the 'time restriction' on his daykill. Giving a neutral survivor a daykill is fine, it's actually kind of cool. It gives them a little more incentive to be involved in the game. But giving a neutral survivor a daykill that they have 1 week from the outset of the game to use is ridiculous, it makes it virtually impossible for them to win.
Ultimately though, like I said, I still think Tilde is scum, and lying about being a survivor.
Also, I agree with PM. This looks forced, particularly "to be honest" (repeated), "another A in my book", and "I rolled my eyes".
I didn't even reread my post. Wow that does look bad. But it is the truth.
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So, when I ask why you FoSed Tilde, you shower him with praise?
You still have yet to explain this FoS with anything more than "oh, I was going to reread him" (which, by the way, I'm reading as "I wanted to get my place on the wagon before 'rereading' Tilde").
You know I think I just explained this. But let me try again. I FOSED TILDE BECAUSE HE DAYKILLED SOMEONE. There that make it all clear now?
Ced what I find confusing about this question that you just asked me is that I already answered it once. And then by your own admission you pointed out that one of my other posts contradicted it. Then I explained to you why it did. So, you already know why I FOSED tilde. But for some reason you ask it again. Please explain why.
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You need better writers. This all seems made up on the spot. It also doesn't address Ced's last point.
How does it not address his last point? Please explain.
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Not to mention that you failed to mention any of this reasoning at the time you hammered him. Why not?
I was going to post something later. But had midterms to study for.
@Eco - You are correct in saying you aren't following. I did not contend that daykilling in response is the townie play. Re-read my argument and see if you can spot it or we can discuss it tomorrow if you'd like.
@DV - Here's the post you contradicted in your response to Ced:
Alright before I post more. I want to explain my Cylon is a SK part.
I say that a Cylon is an SK because it fits perfectly with the Battlestar theme. Basically what happens in Battlestar for all of you that don't know. Is that the Cylons attack the humans. Then a very small human fleet escapes and is on the run from the Cylons. But some of the Cylons look like humans on this fleet and they sabotage the human vessels. This fits exactly with what is going on here with the flavor.
Lol if you mean that I meant to post but then realized that it was my birthday, and that my parents came to see me at college and that I was going to spend the entire weekend with my parents and my girlfriend....
Unvote Vote Biohazzard I find everything about your posts scummy. I see you attacking players left and right. And you are one of the BSG players left.
I find Cyan's actions town and Tilde to be town too. I also like Tilde's action because it makes us able to find my total gaming the mod serial killer.
I'm bolding the end there for emphasis. Not only were you aware that Tilde had daykilled, you approved of the action. This doesn't fit in with you coming in later and FOSing him "because he daykilled someone". You had already weighed the matter.
I didn't even reread my post. Wow that does look bad. But it is the truth.
If you're referring to the post I've quoted above then yes, that is very bad.
You know I think I just explained this. But let me try again. I FOSED TILDE BECAUSE HE DAYKILLED SOMEONE. There that make it all clear now?
See above. You had no suspicion of Tilde when he made the kill. FOSing him for that reason alone doesn't follow after you've reached a position. People change their minds about things all the time, but from your latest posts you'd have us believe it was the first time it had come up in your conciousness.
How does it not address his last point? Please explain.
@Eco - You are correct in saying you aren't following. I did not contend that daykilling in response is the townie play. Re-read my argument and see if you can spot it or we can discuss it tomorrow if you'd like.
I thought you were saying that daykilling in response would be a good/likely scum play.
However, I don't see how this is the case, nor why holding off a daykill despite being "shot" at is a townie play.
As you all warm up your engines and perform routine diagnostics, you look around outside, and take a rudimentary count of the ships left in the Fleet.
One ship is suspiciously absent.
After a lot of clumsy maneuvering around, Red_0mega spots a police box... or what may once have been a police box.
It appears to have been blown away by weapons fire, and curiously, upon further examination, some claw marks are also seen on the hull, along with what can only be described as lewd graffiti.
Pale Mage,TARDIS, has been killed.
It is now DAY 2. With 21 alive, it is still 11 to lynch.
Only one kill. I suppose it's possible that someone got protected/RBed/whatever.
But I don't think so. I think that we lynched the SK Day 1.
Toward the end of yesterday, someone said 'we can look at the Tilde wagon to find a scum, since it was a lynch on a neutral'.
I agree with this sentiment, and someone very much jumps out at me there.
Later, I think that we also need to look at the people that tried to avoid the Tilde wagon, and we'll find some scum trying to get brownie points. But for now, we'll just go with what's obvious.
Toward the end of yesterday, someone said 'we can look at the Tilde wagon to find a scum, since it was a lynch on a neutral'.
Actually, it was a lynch on a neutral the scums thought is town, since said neutral didn't actually claim as such until he's lynched. So while a neutral wagon generally generates a null read, a "town" wagon generates a valid read which apply to yesterday's.
Only one kill. I suppose it's possible that someone got protected/RBed/whatever.
But I don't think so. I think that we lynched the SK Day 1.
Well, this part:
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blown away by weapons fire, and curiously, upon further examination, some claw marks are also seen on the hull
Suggests PM might have actually been double-targeted. This is the same way I wrote the scenes in Lord of the Rings when a player was targeted by both the Mafia and the SK.
I don't know that this is what happened here, but I do not think ~Tilde~ was the SK. I think he was what he claimed he was.
@Mod - is it given to us to know what the Colors scheme of the dead means this game. Blue = Town and Red = Mafia is traditional, but will you tell us what color a SK would show up as and/or other Neutral role.
Vote: Death's Vampire for lurking + dodgy lynch vote yesterday.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
1) Is HoS like FoS? I'm guessing it's Hand of Suspicion or something...
2) I placed a lot of pressure on Tilde because i wanted him to claim. He did, and I believed his claim, ergo i didn't vote for him. With hindsight, perhaps i should have just stayed with the case and voted to lynch him. I guess it was regrettable that i decided to be honest with my reasoning before i knew what his alignment was, but i wanted to post before he was lynched so that i could explain my lack of a vote before i knew what he was. If this is backtracking, well then fair enough, but i don't see how that's scummy. I never voted/unvoted, and just because i argued my FoS strongly doesn't mean that i didn't still have doubts.
In other matters, why do people think that Pale Mage was lynched? was he on to something? Or did the scum just make a guess at Doctor Who having a strong town ability?
Cyan: can you use your salvage ability every day? If so, have you given any thought to using it now on Tilde or PM?
I don't understand what you're trying to say about Pale Mage. Firstly, he wasn't lynched, he was killed; secondly what is this business about the Doctor?
Vote: Death's Vampire
Yesterday's lynch vote was terrible, and his statements aren't matching up.
Vote Yodavader. I think the points against him hold, and his late leap onto the "town" wagon was really scummy.
I'm not sure aboput DV. His hammer vote was awful and contradictory, but I don't know out of character that sort of play is. I shall have to have a read of some other games.
I don't understand what you're trying to say about Pale Mage. Firstly, he wasn't lynched, he was killed; secondly what is this business about the Doctor?
"The Doctor" was the operator of the TARDIS.
Did you really not know that?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I agree with the points against DV but red omegas jump on the wagon looks to me like he is trying to divert attention from himself which gives me pause about voting for DV.
I agree with the points against DV but red omegas jump on the wagon looks to me like he is trying to divert attention from himself which gives me pause about voting for DV.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I agree with the points against DV but red omegas jump on the wagon looks to me like he is trying to divert attention from himself which gives me pause about voting for DV.
I'd like to know what your opinion on each other player is.
My opinion is that there are a lot more players than I am used to, some of which post much more than others do. I am finding it a little hard to keep tack of everyone, however Deaths_Vampire clearly has some things to account for, hence the vote.
My opinion is that there are a lot more players than I am used to, some of which post much more than others do. I am finding it a little hard to keep tack of everyone, however Deaths_Vampire clearly has some things to account for, hence the vote.
"You attempt to dodge, but you fail!"
Red Omega just keeps getting scummier.
Unrelatedly, I already investigated PM's wreckage, but, I see no benefit revealing the results of it.
Pale Mage is town; Tilde isn't. If the information I received from investigating the wreckage of PM would have been useful, it could a scum in a lie at some point.
I can't see what benefit there would have been to investigating Tilde's wreckage. I wouldn't have found out of he was the SK, if that's what you have in mind.
My opinion is that there are a lot more players than I am used to, some of which post much more than others do. I am finding it a little hard to keep tack of everyone, however Deaths_Vampire clearly has some things to account for, hence the vote.
Lame excuse and dodge. Actually answer the question.
@ CED I have explained my vote to my fullest ability. I was not paying that close of attention to the thread. I liked his kill but later realized that his time claim was BS. That is all I have to say on this. This case sucks and you know it. And your wagon of scum bodies that jump on me like a pack of vultures.
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I approve of the DV wagon, which ATM is quite full enough.
If Cyan can do his thing, I think we're all a bit curious what Pale Mage was.
Wow most useless statement other. One you fish. Two, you ignore red_0mega. Three, you don't even explain why you support my wagon. All you did was go some thing like this
It fascinates me endlessly that none of the four mentioned here is interested in responding to this post. So, my interpretation on said posts is true then?
2) I placed a lot of pressure on Tilde because i wanted him to claim. He did, and I believed his claim, ergo i didn't vote for him. With hindsight, perhaps i should have just stayed with the case and voted to lynch him. I guess it was regrettable that i decided to be honest with my reasoning before i knew what his alignment was, but i wanted to post before he was lynched so that i could explain my lack of a vote before i knew what he was. If this is backtracking, well then fair enough, but i don't see how that's scummy. I never voted/unvoted, and just because i argued my FoS strongly doesn't mean that i didn't still have doubts.
Backtracking as in a sudden reversal of opinion just when things are about to reach a resolution. What did you think Tilde is going to claim that made you chose not to pursue him after he has claimed? By my reckoning, before he claimed, he was a limited daykiller and after he claimed, he's still a limited daykiller. What in Tilde's claim that caused your sudden reversal of opinion?
In other matters, why do people think that Pale Mage was lynched? was he on to something? Or did the scum just make a guess at Doctor Who having a strong town ability?
Cyan: can you use your salvage ability every day? If so, have you given any thought to using it now on Tilde or PM?
Does it matter why he was killed as compared to who killed him? Why the interest in his (or their) ability?
I agree with the points against DV but red omegas jump on the wagon looks to me like he is trying to divert attention from himself which gives me pause about voting for DV.
That would imply you believe RO to be scum if his vote on a target you are interested in caused you to not vote said target?
I'm also unconvinced re Cyan's ability, as we still have nothing solid to confirm it. I think it may well have been a gambit to try to get more votes on Tilde, although I still think Cyan's town.
I think you're scum with this post of yours. You believe Cyan to be town, but you cast doubt on him by saying he's lying with regards to his ability. But if such is the case, why are you saying he's town in the first place? It's almost like you know Cyan's town but are trying to discredit him by playing down his townieness.
@ CED I have explained my vote to my fullest ability. I was not paying that close of attention to the thread. I liked his kill but later realized that his time claim was BS. That is all I have to say on this. This case sucks and you know it. And your wagon of scum bodies that jump on me like a pack of vultures.
If that's your best shot, it's not good enough. You should be pushed to claim range.
Wow most useless statement other. One you fish. Two, you ignore red_0mega. Three, you don't even explain why you support my wagon. All you did was go some thing like this
That's pretty funny. Two posts before you were Biohazard's and lrd's, and both condemned RO while at the same time ignoring your wagon. Why not point your gun in their directions if you think ignoring a person's wagon is so scummy? Unless you're only panicking with regards to yourself of course.
That's pretty funny. Two posts before you were Biohazard's and lrd's, and both condemned RO while at the same time ignoring your wagon. Why not point your gun in their directions if you think ignoring a person's wagon is so scummy? Unless you're only panicking with regards to yourself of course.
Can you not read? He specifically talks about my case totally doesn't even pay attention to Red. Gives no reason why he is in favor of my wagon. AND MAY I REMIND YOU THAT IS WHY YOU ARE VOTING ME. Then he distances himself by saying to many people are on it already. And finally he fished Cyan. HOW IS THIS NOT SCUMMY?
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You say that you're used to less players than this. Can't you give your opinion on a number of players equal to the number that you're used to, rather than just the one that you're voting?
Way to give your scum buddy a lifeline. How about you don't give him free get aways? And you lets us question him. Thank you very much. Oh, and you have to vote Red_0mega after my wagon because he gave no reason why he voted me when he did. Which is the only thing you have going for your case.
You say that you're used to less players than this. Can't you give your opinion on a number of players equal to the number that you're used to, rather than just the one that you're voting?
I'm actually far more suspicious of D_V than R_0. Slightly worried about the latter's complete ignorance of any point against him and pretending it's not there, but D_V's attempt to discredit the whole wagon against him with 'it's weak and you know it', and his attack on Jerub is not good.
I do not see any serious points against me, just people saying they "feel" like I am acting scummy. I do not see the need to respond to that.
Can you not read? He specifically talks about my case totally doesn't even pay attention to Red. Gives no reason why he is in favor of my wagon. AND MAY I REMIND YOU THAT IS WHY YOU ARE VOTING ME. Then he distances himself by saying to many people are on it already. And finally he fished Cyan. HOW IS THIS NOT SCUMMY?
Vote red_0mega
His play on D1 was enough to warrant enough suspicion, but his play on day two has confirmed my suspicions.
I'm also unconvinced re Cyan's ability, as we still have nothing solid to confirm it. I think it may well have been a gambit to try to get more votes on Tilde, although I still think Cyan's town.
lrd specifically talks about RO's case, totally doesn't even pay attention to you. Gives no reason why he is in favor of RO's wagon.
Now, by your reckoning, are the both of them scums? Then why would such an action implicates RO as a scum but not the both of them as well? The fact that you focused on that particular action drives in the point that you wields that against RO alone is because you're terrified for your own hide. And if the both of them are scums, they're doing a good job at trying to deflect the attention away from you, I suppose.
DV: #371: SK hunt, #518: bloody scummy hammer vote
Oh, I suppose you'll want some elaborations as well. Only mafia focused on SK, being the only direct competition for their NKs. We as town hunt scums and care not a whit about SK in general unless there's compelling evidence. Basically, we don't really differentiate between the two classes of scums. And I interpreted your hammer vote as trying to mislynch a player you perceived to be a "town" before his wagon has time to derail by further questionings.
And I recalled MMQ fishing Cyan as well, but I don't see you turning your ire on him.
In fact, you're intensely focused on RO as an alternate wagon to yourself and not because you see RO as a scum based on your scum reads, since you ignored other players who did the same things as RO. In short, you're trying to save your own hide.
Oh, I suppose you'll want some elaborations as well. Only mafia focused on SK, being the only direct competition for their NKs. We as town hunt scums and care not a whit about SK in general unless there's compelling evidence. Basically, we don't really differentiate between the two classes of scums. And I interpreted your hammer vote as trying to mislynch a player you perceived to be a "town" before his wagon has time to derail by further questionings.
And I recalled MMQ fishing Cyan as well, but I don't see you turning your ire on him.
In fact, you're intensely focused on RO as an alternate wagon to yourself and not because you see RO as a scum based on your scum reads, since you ignored other players who did the same things as RO. In short, you're trying to save your own hide.
So, please, die.
Ok, lets take this bit by bit.
No I was giving such a big SK focus, because it is where I truly believed the SK to be. But it looks like we have killed the SK now since we only had one kill last night. We could have had a correct Doc protect but that is about it. And I explained that I found his time for killing thing to be BS especially when he didn't come out and claim it right away. You are ignoring this point, and the point where I said that I still do support Tilde's killing. Just not Tilde.
MMQ fished Cyan day one. Not today noob.
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In fact, you're intensely focused on RO as an alternate wagon to yourself and not because you see RO as a scum based on your scum reads, since you ignored other players who did the same things as RO. In short, you're trying to save your own hide.
You don't even understand what we are talking about do you? All of what we are discussing is about what Jer did not what RO did. Way to read. Jer basically fosed me and ignored my case RO did not. RO says that he finds the case about him to be an annoyance. The two players that you quote did things that Jer did not RO!!! How can you be this ignorant that you post such a thing.
So let's recap.
You defend RO with points saying that other players did the same thing. When really I was quoting Jer and pointing out some scummy things with his post while I was voting RO because RO jumped on my case with no reasoning and has yet to back it up at all. Which you would know if you would go back and reread his posts. Which you obviously haven't since you think he is Jer. So basically all that you have to say is null void and you need to go reread the thread and stop trying so desperately to wagon me. SO NOBODY DID THE SAME THING AS RO. Please remove your vote now or come up with something better.
I've never seen such hostility coming from DV, and he gets wagoned like..every game. This behavior is shockingly out of character for him. Unvote, Vote DV
I've never seen such hostility coming from DV, and he gets wagoned like..every game. This behavior is shockingly out of character for him. Unvote, Vote DV
I am frustrated because Red_0mega is such obv. scum to me. And people are totally ignoring his posts.
I've never seen such hostility coming from DV, and he gets wagoned like..every game. This behavior is shockingly out of character for him. Unvote, Vote DV
Actually I have only been wagoned really recently. Most of the other games I don't get wagoned. Look at Amis or any other games I have been in. Heck I am very surprised about the assumptions you make Cyan. You are making a very gross generalization.
RO and DV seemed to have aligned themselves totally against each other during D2 so far, each saying their own wagon is rubbish, whilst the other is the right one. I think that one of these wagons is definately on the right path, and for me, RO's floundering so far todat points towards him.
Both could be scum or both could be town, really. But I'll note you seem to think RO is floundering more than DV.
No I was giving such a big SK focus, because it is where I truly believed the SK to be. But it looks like we have killed the SK now since we only had one kill last night. We could have had a correct Doc protect but that is about it. And I explained that I found his time for killing thing to be BS especially when he didn't come out and claim it right away. You are ignoring this point, and the point where I said that I still do support Tilde's killing. Just not Tilde.
I'm saying focusing on SK is a mafia trait. You did that.
PM was targeted by two different kills apparently as well, so the SK or another killing role is still around.
I have heard your rationale for hammer-voting Tilde. You're under the mistaken assumption I must accept whatever you have said as the truth. I'm telling you I don't believe the rationale you've given. I'm telling you I still believe your motivation for hammer-voting Tilde to be scum-driven.
You don't even understand what we are talking about do you? All of what we are discussing is about what Jer did not what RO did. Way to read. Jer basically fosed me and ignored my case RO did not. RO says that he finds the case about him to be an annoyance. The two players that you quote did things that Jer did not RO!!! How can you be this ignorant that you post such a thing.
So let's recap.
You defend RO with points saying that other players did the same thing. When really I was quoting Jer and pointing out some scummy things with his post while I was voting RO because RO jumped on my case with no reasoning and has yet to back it up at all. Which you would know if you would go back and reread his posts. Which you obviously haven't since you think he is Jer. So basically all that you have to say is null void and you need to go reread the thread and stop trying so desperately to wagon me. SO NOBODY DID THE SAME THING AS RO. Please remove your vote now or come up with something better.
LMAO. OK, my bad on that one. Basically what I see was your vote after you attacked someone as well as a series of votes before and after your own vote, and since you used Jer which somehow I don't associate with JB, I just assumed your attack was on RO, with 4 extra votes on RO tacked on by then end.
BTW, my vote stays. The reasons for my vote are different than the reasons I disapprove of your "rationale for voting RO", which by now we know to be mistaken. That and I want you under heavy pressure. As well as because you called me a noob, which offend me.
Friend, I consider these lines of questioning to be fishing. And it happened today, as in Day 2.
Wow sometimes I hate abbreviations. I was thinking about MMoD. This is my bad.
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LMAO. OK, my bad on that one. Basically what I see was your vote after you attacked someone as well as a series of votes before and after your own vote, and since you used Jer which somehow I don't associate with JB, I just assumed your attack was on RO, with 4 extra votes on RO tacked on by then end.
BTW, my vote stays. The reasons for my vote are different than the reasons I disapprove of your "rationale for voting RO", which by now we know to be mistaken. That and I want you under heavy pressure. As well as because you called me a noob, which offend me.
Fair enough. Sorry about the noob thing it was just the Jer - RO thing that was really ticking me off.
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I'm saying focusing on SK is a mafia trait. You did that.
PM was targeted by two different kills apparently as well, so the SK or another killing role is still around.
I have heard your rationale for hammer-voting Tilde. You're under the mistaken assumption I must accept whatever you have said as the truth. I'm telling you I don't believe the rationale you've given. I'm telling you I still believe your motivation for hammer-voting Tilde to be scum-driven.
I disagree. I think we are motivated to find all the scummy players and I was pretty for sure albeit wrong about one of them being from BSG.
Ok, you can not believe me. I really can't argue this with you.
I really don't like R_O's diversion tactic. Honestly, I think that he is scummier of the two between him and D_V. If people feel you are scummy, and you have a bunch of votes piling up on you, don't you think that you should respond to it instead of
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I do not see any serious points against me, just people saying they "feel" like I am acting scummy. I do not see the need to respond to that.
Actually I have only been wagoned really recently. Most of the other games I don't get wagoned. Look at Amis or any other games I have been in. Heck I am very surprised about the assumptions you make Cyan. You are making a very gross generalization.
And suddenly, level-headed again.
Interesting.
Anyway, I like my vote on DV.
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To be honest. I hadn't really read the all thread. I was just in and to be honest I still am in massive approval of killing all of the BSG folks. Plus I hate lurkers with a passion, so this was another A in my book. I hadn't read up to the part with the restriction. And once I started reading that I rolled my eyes and hammered him.
You need better writers. This all seems made up on the spot. It also doesn't address Ced's last point.
I don't really follow this. Why would counter-daykilling be a legitimate response? The positioning of the daykill(s) was overwhelmingly likely to be fake, and I don't see how not going "NO U" and genuinely shooting them is more indicative of a townie than not doing so...
DV's last few posts look really bad. He used Cyan's favourite tell "to be honest" twice, and it seems jarring and -as ced pointed out- contradictory. Someone to look into tomorrow.
Props to WoD for making a role that has to (can) make a hasty daykill and then giving it to Tilde. If that was random, it's proof that God has a sense of humor.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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And I'm pretty sure that he lied about the 'time restriction' on his daykill. Giving a neutral survivor a daykill is fine, it's actually kind of cool. It gives them a little more incentive to be involved in the game. But giving a neutral survivor a daykill that they have 1 week from the outset of the game to use is ridiculous, it makes it virtually impossible for them to win.
Ultimately though, like I said, I still think Tilde is scum, and lying about being a survivor.
You know I think I just explained this. But let me try again. I FOSED TILDE BECAUSE HE DAYKILLED SOMEONE. There that make it all clear now?
Ced what I find confusing about this question that you just asked me is that I already answered it once. And then by your own admission you pointed out that one of my other posts contradicted it. Then I explained to you why it did. So, you already know why I FOSED tilde. But for some reason you ask it again. Please explain why.
How does it not address his last point? Please explain.
I was going to post something later. But had midterms to study for.
This part of DV's post seems completely sincere. But the rest really doesn't.
DV is probably some kind of neutral.
@DV - Here's the post you contradicted in your response to Ced:
I'm bolding the end there for emphasis. Not only were you aware that Tilde had daykilled, you approved of the action. This doesn't fit in with you coming in later and FOSing him "because he daykilled someone". You had already weighed the matter.
If you're referring to the post I've quoted above then yes, that is very bad.
See above. You had no suspicion of Tilde when he made the kill. FOSing him for that reason alone doesn't follow after you've reached a position. People change their minds about things all the time, but from your latest posts you'd have us believe it was the first time it had come up in your conciousness.
It doesn't explain the contradiction.
I thought you were saying that daykilling in response would be a good/likely scum play.
However, I don't see how this is the case, nor why holding off a daykill despite being "shot" at is a townie play.
Or do I have the wrong end of the stick?
"Why would you do that?" ask the various members of the Fleet.
After a short and immediate pause, ~Tilde~ answers.
"Uh, had a slight weapons malfunction. But, uh, everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?"
The rest of the fleet is lost for words for a couple of seconds, before you blast him into oblivion.
~Tilde~ - Millennium Falcon has been lynched.
Night actions due in 48 hours from this post.
One ship is suspiciously absent.
After a lot of clumsy maneuvering around, Red_0mega spots a police box... or what may once have been a police box.
It appears to have been blown away by weapons fire, and curiously, upon further examination, some claw marks are also seen on the hull, along with what can only be described as lewd graffiti.
Pale Mage, TARDIS, has been killed.
It is now DAY 2. With 21 alive, it is still 11 to lynch.
But I don't think so. I think that we lynched the SK Day 1.
Toward the end of yesterday, someone said 'we can look at the Tilde wagon to find a scum, since it was a lynch on a neutral'.
I agree with this sentiment, and someone very much jumps out at me there.
Later, I think that we also need to look at the people that tried to avoid the Tilde wagon, and we'll find some scum trying to get brownie points. But for now, we'll just go with what's obvious.
Vote Red Omega
Yosh, I'm back. I didn't manage to chip in before the lynch, but here are some notes on my reading from where I left off:
syrenz: #387: feeling the need to justify his opinion with a vote after being prodded on it
DV: #371: SK hunt, #518: bloody scummy hammer vote
biohazard: #406: weak FOS beginning and twitchy ending, #495: certain tilde is not scum and offer that he is neutral
MMQ: #517: bloody scummy backtracking
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Cyan, Axel, Ced, Eco, Zebi, JB, TB
with the first three at a 95% certainty.
And I would support a wagon on DV as of the moment.
Vote: Deaths_Vampire
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
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Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Actually, it was a lynch on a neutral the scums thought is town, since said neutral didn't actually claim as such until he's lynched. So while a neutral wagon generally generates a null read, a "town" wagon generates a valid read which apply to yesterday's.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Well, this part:
Suggests PM might have actually been double-targeted. This is the same way I wrote the scenes in Lord of the Rings when a player was targeted by both the Mafia and the SK.
I don't know that this is what happened here, but I do not think ~Tilde~ was the SK. I think he was what he claimed he was.
@Mod - is it given to us to know what the Colors scheme of the dead means this game. Blue = Town and Red = Mafia is traditional, but will you tell us what color a SK would show up as and/or other Neutral role.
Vote: Death's Vampire for lurking + dodgy lynch vote yesterday.
I don't understand what you're trying to say about Pale Mage. Firstly, he wasn't lynched, he was killed; secondly what is this business about the Doctor?
Vote: Death's Vampire
Yesterday's lynch vote was terrible, and his statements aren't matching up.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
@Axel: You're right, it does look like he might have been targeted twice.
I'm not sure aboput DV. His hammer vote was awful and contradictory, but I don't know out of character that sort of play is. I shall have to have a read of some other games.
"The Doctor" was the operator of the TARDIS.
Did you really not know that?
I agree.
Vote: Deaths_Vampire
smoke_Killah
I agree with the points against DV but red omegas jump on the wagon looks to me like he is trying to divert attention from himself which gives me pause about voting for DV.
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
Yeah..why did I unvote this guy.
Unvote, Vote Red Omega
I don't even know what the TARDIS is. I suppose I should go look; I thought he was asking about the mafia game power role of "Doctor".
I liked my vote on him yesterday and wouldn't be upset in the least to put it back there today. DV, however, has some explaining to do first.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
If Cyan can do his thing, I think we're all a bit curious what Pale Mage was.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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What attention am I trying to divert from myself?
My opinion is that there are a lot more players than I am used to, some of which post much more than others do. I am finding it a little hard to keep tack of everyone, however Deaths_Vampire clearly has some things to account for, hence the vote.
smoke_Killah
"You attempt to dodge, but you fail!"
Red Omega just keeps getting scummier.
Unrelatedly, I already investigated PM's wreckage, but, I see no benefit revealing the results of it.
There's Cyan's original vote followed by this
To which you eagerly jump and say you agree. As well as suspicion previously placed on you before.
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
I can't see what benefit there would have been to investigating Tilde's wreckage. I wouldn't have found out of he was the SK, if that's what you have in mind.
Vote:red_0mega
Wow most useless statement other. One you fish. Two, you ignore red_0mega. Three, you don't even explain why you support my wagon. All you did was go some thing like this
unvote Vote Red omega Way to bandwagon me scum.
Vote Red Omega
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
Not really anything concrete day 1 on R_O. I'll keep my vote to myself for now and see how he responds.
It fascinates me endlessly that none of the four mentioned here is interested in responding to this post. So, my interpretation on said posts is true then?
Backtracking as in a sudden reversal of opinion just when things are about to reach a resolution. What did you think Tilde is going to claim that made you chose not to pursue him after he has claimed? By my reckoning, before he claimed, he was a limited daykiller and after he claimed, he's still a limited daykiller. What in Tilde's claim that caused your sudden reversal of opinion?
Does it matter why he was killed as compared to who killed him? Why the interest in his (or their) ability?
That would imply you believe RO to be scum if his vote on a target you are interested in caused you to not vote said target?
It's a pretty good insight. Almost seems like that's exactly the reason why you yourself would have killed PM on Night 1 as scum.
I think you're scum with this post of yours. You believe Cyan to be town, but you cast doubt on him by saying he's lying with regards to his ability. But if such is the case, why are you saying he's town in the first place? It's almost like you know Cyan's town but are trying to discredit him by playing down his townieness.
If that's your best shot, it's not good enough. You should be pushed to claim range.
That's pretty funny. Two posts before you were Biohazard's and lrd's, and both condemned RO while at the same time ignoring your wagon. Why not point your gun in their directions if you think ignoring a person's wagon is so scummy? Unless you're only panicking with regards to yourself of course.
It's a bloody pity you're already in my scum list.
I'm thinking there's a desperate attempt here to shift attention away from DV to RO.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
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Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Can you not read? He specifically talks about my case totally doesn't even pay attention to Red. Gives no reason why he is in favor of my wagon. AND MAY I REMIND YOU THAT IS WHY YOU ARE VOTING ME. Then he distances himself by saying to many people are on it already. And finally he fished Cyan. HOW IS THIS NOT SCUMMY?
Way to give your scum buddy a lifeline. How about you don't give him free get aways? And you lets us question him. Thank you very much. Oh, and you have to vote Red_0mega after my wagon because he gave no reason why he voted me when he did. Which is the only thing you have going for your case.
I agree.
Not at this time, no.
I do not see any serious points against me, just people saying they "feel" like I am acting scummy. I do not see the need to respond to that.
smoke_Killah
Yay
Here:
Biohazard specifically talks about RO's case, totally doesn't even pay attention to you. Gives no reason why he is in favor of RO's wagon.
lrd specifically talks about RO's case, totally doesn't even pay attention to you. Gives no reason why he is in favor of RO's wagon.
Now, by your reckoning, are the both of them scums? Then why would such an action implicates RO as a scum but not the both of them as well? The fact that you focused on that particular action drives in the point that you wields that against RO alone is because you're terrified for your own hide. And if the both of them are scums, they're doing a good job at trying to deflect the attention away from you, I suppose.
Now, let's talk about why I'm voting for you:
Oh, I suppose you'll want some elaborations as well. Only mafia focused on SK, being the only direct competition for their NKs. We as town hunt scums and care not a whit about SK in general unless there's compelling evidence. Basically, we don't really differentiate between the two classes of scums. And I interpreted your hammer vote as trying to mislynch a player you perceived to be a "town" before his wagon has time to derail by further questionings.
And I recalled MMQ fishing Cyan as well, but I don't see you turning your ire on him.
In fact, you're intensely focused on RO as an alternate wagon to yourself and not because you see RO as a scum based on your scum reads, since you ignored other players who did the same things as RO. In short, you're trying to save your own hide.
So, please, die.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Ok, lets take this bit by bit.
No I was giving such a big SK focus, because it is where I truly believed the SK to be. But it looks like we have killed the SK now since we only had one kill last night. We could have had a correct Doc protect but that is about it. And I explained that I found his time for killing thing to be BS especially when he didn't come out and claim it right away. You are ignoring this point, and the point where I said that I still do support Tilde's killing. Just not Tilde.
MMQ fished Cyan day one. Not today noob.
You don't even understand what we are talking about do you? All of what we are discussing is about what Jer did not what RO did. Way to read. Jer basically fosed me and ignored my case RO did not. RO says that he finds the case about him to be an annoyance. The two players that you quote did things that Jer did not RO!!! How can you be this ignorant that you post such a thing.
So let's recap.
You defend RO with points saying that other players did the same thing. When really I was quoting Jer and pointing out some scummy things with his post while I was voting RO because RO jumped on my case with no reasoning and has yet to back it up at all. Which you would know if you would go back and reread his posts. Which you obviously haven't since you think he is Jer. So basically all that you have to say is null void and you need to go reread the thread and stop trying so desperately to wagon me. SO NOBODY DID THE SAME THING AS RO. Please remove your vote now or come up with something better.
I am frustrated because Red_0mega is such obv. scum to me. And people are totally ignoring his posts.
Only 5 at it's peak.
Actually I have only been wagoned really recently. Most of the other games I don't get wagoned. Look at Amis or any other games I have been in. Heck I am very surprised about the assumptions you make Cyan. You are making a very gross generalization.
So in your opinion, Cyan's lying but he's town?
Both could be scum or both could be town, really. But I'll note you seem to think RO is floundering more than DV.
I'm saying focusing on SK is a mafia trait. You did that.
PM was targeted by two different kills apparently as well, so the SK or another killing role is still around.
I have heard your rationale for hammer-voting Tilde. You're under the mistaken assumption I must accept whatever you have said as the truth. I'm telling you I don't believe the rationale you've given. I'm telling you I still believe your motivation for hammer-voting Tilde to be scum-driven.
Friend, I consider these lines of questioning to be fishing. And it happened today, as in Day 2.
And now.
LMAO. OK, my bad on that one. Basically what I see was your vote after you attacked someone as well as a series of votes before and after your own vote, and since you used Jer which somehow I don't associate with JB, I just assumed your attack was on RO, with 4 extra votes on RO tacked on by then end.
BTW, my vote stays. The reasons for my vote are different than the reasons I disapprove of your "rationale for voting RO", which by now we know to be mistaken. That and I want you under heavy pressure.
As well as because you called me a noob, which offend me.We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Wow sometimes I hate abbreviations. I was thinking about MMoD. This is my bad.
Fair enough. Sorry about the noob thing it was just the Jer - RO thing that was really ticking me off.
I disagree. I think we are motivated to find all the scummy players and I was pretty for sure albeit wrong about one of them being from BSG.
Ok, you can not believe me. I really can't argue this with you.
Vote: red_0mega
And suddenly, level-headed again.
Interesting.
Anyway, I like my vote on DV.