The "garbled message" probably came from Zinda's role. Zebi probably didn't know that (especially if he's scum, otherwise he wouldn't have killed Zinda). Hence Zebi didn't expect the message to happen. I can't see the chain of logic to "therefore Zebi is probably set up". Why? Why are you trying to put forward the suggestion that Zebi could be town?
And if MMQ's trying to put forward the suggestion that Zebi is town and has been set-up, why would he even bother with a vote in the first place?
That makes 6 with 10 to lynch. Unless Zebi somehow posts a truly amazing explanation, I don't see how we lynch anyone else.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
USS Sulaco. – Town One-Shot Vigilante (Aliens) Zebi
When I use my kill, the target is also role blocked for the night while they fight off swarms of invaders.
I killed R_0 last night due to his scummy play, and figured that it couldn't be a bad use of the kill. I figure what happened is that there was a Bodyguard of some sort, (Zindabad) which was rigged to tell whoever killed the bodyguard.
The reason I lynched Tilde on somewhat poor grounds was that I didn't think for a second there would be three town aligned one-shot roles. That made it an easy choice for me, but I couldn't very well explain that without revealing myself, could I?
I realize right now what every single one of you is thinking. If I was in this position right now, I would be voting myself too. But I've been screwed by conflicting town abilities, and there doesn't seem to be much I can do at this point. But even though it would be so easy to just lynch me and roll the dice, you have to think that maybe it was just a really crappy circumstance. There's (in my mind at least, obviously not everyone else's) scummier players than I have been, and the only thing that's pointing scum at me is an unfortunate role clash.
There's not much left I can say. I'm not scum, and I will fight to not be today's lynch. I realize that if I survive, I will have a huge target on my back all game, but whatever. You just have to consider the possibility of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
@Dagger: It was out of character for DV to resort to an ad hom; I've seen him make outlandish statements before, but I don't recall him attacking an established player with such an insult. It, as I said, did not help his cause any, which was already in significant danger because of the hammer vote + inconsistent statements.
I see Zebi is in the thread. Full claim immediately. I expect my vote will be following, regardless, but humor me.
Where's the scum kill then? (being the primary issue)
and Town Zindabad protects scummy R_0? Highly doubtful.
Oh, and then there's the possibility your swarms were the cause of the clawmarks on PM last night, too.
Time to die, SMEG!
Vote: Zebi
Scum kill could have been doc'ed, RBed, whatever.
Can't really explain zindabad's play, but trust me - I was more shocked about it than you. Of course, it could be some other scum ability, a framing ability of sorts. Can't explain it, though.
a) i'm not suggesting he is town
b) i'm not suggesting that he is set up, merely that i had a feeling which, as stated above, i am not going to act upon.
I see. Said feelings must be, again, terribly insightful.
USS Sulaco. – Town One-Shot Vigilante (Aliens) Zebi
When I use my kill, the target is also role blocked for the night while they fight off swarms of invaders.
I killed R_0 last night due to his scummy play, and figured that it couldn't be a bad use of the kill. I figure what happened is that there was a Bodyguard of some sort, (Zindabad) which was rigged to tell whoever killed the bodyguard.
The reason I lynched Tilde on somewhat poor grounds was that I didn't think for a second there would be three town aligned one-shot roles. That made it an easy choice for me, but I couldn't very well explain that without revealing myself, could I?
I realize right now what every single one of you is thinking. If I was in this position right now, I would be voting myself too. But I've been screwed by conflicting town abilities, and there doesn't seem to be much I can do at this point. But even though it would be so easy to just lynch me and roll the dice, you have to think that maybe it was just a really crappy circumstance. There's (in my mind at least, obviously not everyone else's) scummier players than I have been, and the only thing that's pointing scum at me is an unfortunate role clash.
There's not much left I can say. I'm not scum, and I will fight to not be today's lynch. I realize that if I survive, I will have a huge target on my back all game, but whatever. You just have to consider the possibility of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I see yet another killing role...
I question that if you were so certain that Zin is a bodyguard, then you must be sure that he protected RO? But why would he protect RO, a player formerly under a heavy pressure and still not really cleared by any means, over more feasible targets? Surely it can't be that he think RO will be nightkilled by scums tonight, seeing as Zin is CONFIRMED TOWN, and thus only need to account for scum nightkills? What then do you think happened to the two scum nightkills that are unaccounted last night?
@Dagger: It was out of character for DV to resort to an ad hom; I've seen him make outlandish statements before, but I don't recall him attacking an established player with such an insult. It, as I said, did not help his cause any, which was already in significant danger because of the hammer vote + inconsistent statements.
I see. I just felt slightly mystified that you of all people would use ad-hom attacks from a frustrated player, and maybe rightly so, as an indication that he is scum.
Can't really explain zindabad's play, but trust me - I was more shocked about it than you. Of course, it could be some other scum ability, a framing ability of sorts. Can't explain it, though.
I'll be back later today to explain myself more.
A framing ability? How does that work then? Because you just admitted outright you targeted RO for a kill and then Zin received it somehow. How did the scums redirect your kill from RO to Zin so elegantly? And why would any framing specifically involves RO, Zin, and you?
Should I look at the wreckage of DV, or, Zindabad? It seems like it would be a good idea to know some of the scums abilities, especially ones that they no longer have.
Please don't lynch before we have a chance to discuss this.
Should I look at the wreckage of DV, or, Zindabad? It seems like it would be a good idea to know some of the scums abilities, especially ones that they no longer have.
Please don't lynch before we have a chance to discuss this.
If you have confirmation that Zin is indeed a bodyguard, then we would have known with a certainty that Zebi is lying because I cannot in anyway fathom Zin protecting RO last night. It's like on the spot Zebi picked a player which seemed like it's feasible for him to vig, and then just stuck Zin as the bodyguard that protected said player.
On the other hand, Zebi might as well have just suicided, due to the contradiction Ced pointed out. So, we might as well just find out DV's role.
Actually, I just figured out that the scums might want to figure out Zin's role to determine what went horribly wrong last night, and have absolutely no interest in knowing DV's role, something of which they know already anyway.
Highly doubt that Zindabad would have, as a bodyguard, have protected R_0. I suppose it is possible that Zebi got redirected to Zindabad, but Zebi's account of events leaves this less than likely.
However, to ensure it is correct, Cyan should definitely look at Zindabad's wreckage - if Zindabad isn't a bodyguard then we have to assume redirection. It'd be worth noting whether the message was Zinda's ability or not.
Pending a drastic revelation, Zebi is the obvious lynch for the day.
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Gonna have to agree with everyone about MMQ.
You mean you agree with the two conflicting opinions?
Mod: do we get any more detail on how Zindabad's ship got destroyed (a la the thing about the Tardis being damaged by weapons fire and having claw marks and graffiti on the hull)?
A lot has happened so far on DAy 3, and I almost missed it. I was going to comment on a number of things until I found this quote that sums it up quite nicely:
I think everything's been said about Zebi at this point. His claim to have tried to kill RO is not consistent with his earlier posting about RO and his "theory" that Zind. might actually have been bodyguarding RO last Night is flat out ridiculous.
Not to mention missing kill/s.
It would be cool if everyone could make a "this is where I'm at" post like Ced before we went back to Night.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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RafaelK
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Madmanquail
Red_0mega
Biohazard
Mystery Meat of Doom
Scum:
Yodavader
My only real scum read is Yoda (for reasons already noted, and I will make an actual case when we have a day that doesn't start with a speed lynch of obvious scum) and I haven't had a need to re-read. The "no-reads" are people I have not been paying enough attention to to reach a conclusion.
Pending Zebi's alignment, Red_0mega is likely to change.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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What the hell am I supposed to do? People are backing me into a corner over small old points, and noone seems to consider my side.
Look to Basic 10 where I got lynched in exactly the same way, where I was also a town. I gave my case and noone believed me. Don't make the same mistake twice.
Do you know why? Could you have been roleblocked, or perhaps zind was vanilla town...
Zind is obviously not vanilla town unless there's some mafia shenanigans. I didn't (and wouldn't) target him, and yet he managed to find himself dead with me being blamed.
Also, wouldn't it be a smarter play now that I'm going down in flames for me to claim Doc so that the other Doctor would have to claim, allowing an easy kill, assuming I'm Mafia?
Zind is obviously not vanilla town unless there's some mafia shenanigans. I didn't (and wouldn't) target him, and yet he managed to find himself dead with me being blamed.
Also, wouldn't it be a smarter play now that I'm going down in flames for me to claim Doc so that the other Doctor would have to claim, allowing an easy kill, assuming I'm Mafia?
Agree with all of the above. There's not really anything else to say today about Zevi. Normal service to be resumed on day 4 (unless we get, say, a cop result between now and then. Which would be awesome).
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Also, wouldn't it be a smarter play now that I'm going down in flames for me to claim Doc so that the other Doctor would have to claim, allowing an easy kill, assuming I'm Mafia?
No, because no-one would believe you anyway and no doctor would bother counterclaiming. I see only WIFOM and pleas to emotion from you, and no explanation worth the name.
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Blah, I wasn't able to get any information at all from Zindabad's wreckage.
That goes with the mod refusing to give a cause of death (I was following up on my theory that the previous night was a double kill, one by weapons fire and one by an attack by the thing that made the claw marks). Special ability ahoy.
I still think Axelrod is scum, so, I don't want to go along with his 'post your town/scum list' request.
Also, wouldn't it be a smarter play now that I'm going down in flames for me to claim Doc so that the other Doctor would have to claim, allowing an easy kill, assuming I'm Mafia?
And so the double-kill theory from night 1 is pretty much confirmed. DYH (who was indeed non-town) was probably killed by the thing which made the clawmarks and graffiti that night.
I would vote for Cyan to check DYH. We could guess that DYH was the SK, but let's be sure. DYH as SK would make me figure on red omega as the mafia kill and Dagger being vigged, most likely.
The last few days have given us some good information. Hopefully I'll get some time over the weekend to see if there's anyone with a set of interesting interactions with both dead mafia members.
And so the double-kill theory from night 1 is pretty much confirmed. DYH (who was indeed non-town) was probably killed by the thing which made the clawmarks and graffiti that night.
I find it entirely possible that the claw marks & graffiti could have been caused by different things. (although what kind of ability the graffiti represents is anyone's guess.)
On my re-reads, I was thinking I was going to have to push for a DYH lynch, which is never really a fun time, but luckily that's taken care of now. I would not be inclined to overspeculate on the kill MOs here. We actually don't have a ton of common themes running through them, and the difference between claw marks on the hull and a missing crew is rather wide.
I'd personally rather Cyan be looking at one of the scum than DYH. Regardless of whether he's the SK or not, he's not here anymore, and the fact that he was a neutral suggests that he was isolated. Learning more about the scum is probably much more advantageous, and has the potential to effect our knowledge about what they can/could/cannot do.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Is Key still with us? If he is, I'd kinda like an explanation of his resurrection, insofar as he is able. If flavor's all you've got, it will do.
@RafK - none of the dead scum so far were liars, so it's moderately safe to assume the scum weren't overly worried about an obvious pattern in the ships.
Doubt anybody else from BSG is scum, w/ DV pushing to lynch BSG people.
#166 - RafK's backhanded defense of DV - no likey.
WARNING blatant gaming the mod - we have a dead town Star Trek, which means that the chance of yoda being scum is reasonably higher. His behavior this game so far has not been town either, and the "oh my gosh" first post is very lame and a very noob scum thing to do.
Still have mixed feelings on RafK, but his attack on Tilde seems more legitimate than it did to me before.
Unsure why the push on Syrenz really went away - he hasn't done anything terribly town to cause it to go away, and the degree of despair he was displaying was definitely much more scum than town.
Meh, I'll finish the re-read later, but for the moment Vote: yodavader. He's been posting scummy all game, and I'm willing to game the mod a bit on this one.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I think that we've been misunderstanding the various death flavor. I don't think it has anything to do with who killed them, I think it's just based on their universe.
I mean..DYH's death flavor says that his 'crew are dead'. When I investigated KoD, I was told that his vig ability was based on sending a swarm of raiders.
Dagger was from Voyager, and his death flavor was a 'warp core breech'. Anyone that has watched any decent amount of Star Trek knows that this is a favorite 'doomsday scenario' for them.
I just think it's something worth considering, especially when we haven't seen any real consistency amongst kill methods.
Zebi reacted in a guilty fashion, and, as I pointed out the day before, was acting fairly scummy anyway.
It's understandable to have doubts there, especially when you're new, but the end result was not surprising.
Unrelatedly, Vote Jerubbaal
DYH already explained alot of what is scummy about DYH. But there is also a clear disparity between his attitude day 1 towards Tilde(not mafia) and Day 2 towards DV(mafia). Against Tilde, he was fairly aggressive, and repeatedly responded to his various posts. Against DV, the entirety of his contribution to the wagon can be summed up as 'I like this wagon but it's full enough'.
Also, almost all of his posts are waffly. If you read them, so much of the language he uses is..I'm not sure what the word I'm looking for is, but it's bad. There isn't anything really concrete, and he uses a ton of charged language. These things are typical scum behaviors, where they try to hedge their bets and/or try to make a case out to be more than it really is.
Tilde absolutely refused to answer any of my questions day 1. TBH, the biggest point I had against him the whole day was his unwillingness to answer or justify his actions. So yes, I was aggressive because he was being intentionally evasive. DV wasn't evasive or interesting, he was pretty much just scummy and followed with a terrible claim. At no point would my contribution have been necessary or useful.
I also fail to see where I've been more waffly than normal. And it amuses me that someone who's been completely all over the board with his reads this time around is banging one someone for not being "concrete." The only real charged language I use is day 1 to provoke a reaction from Tilde, and that was definitely intentional (and I would contend, effective).
ATM, I'm happy with the vote on yoda and I really want to hear from Key.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I note a lack of voting. By my count, you have voted once in three days, and did not have it on long enough to even register it on a votecount. And it was on Tilde, Day 1. Absolutely pathetic.
I cannot think of anything significant Madmanquail has ever done in this game. Possibly fencesitting on Zebi. It's bad.
Apparently mmq voted Zebi while I was gone. That the obvious play was lynch Zebi and he was fencesitting on it too so it doesn't make it protown.
And now voting some one that may or may not be alive and most certainly isn't scum. A nice little thing scum can do to look like they're actually contributing but really aren't.
I never voted for Tilde, only FoS. I believed his claim, it seemed to add up, so i didn't vote. What's pathetic about that? And more to the point, whats scummy about that?
Oops it was only an fos. That's even worse. I count two votes for you, counting KoD as a vote
As for the speedlynching of D_V, i didn't vote; yeah, so what? loads of people didn't vote; the game day only lasted around 48 hours.
I somehow managed to vote, albeit not on D_V, but I did vote. You didn't do anything.
And what is it that you have done? I voted for zebi, i didn't "fencesit"; i don't know where people are getting this from. Back it up with some quotes or references, please. Then we can have a conversation.
Seriously, did noone else feel concerned that zebi might have been framed? Did you all just automatically think to lynch the named killer? I can't have been the only one with doubts, surely?
Emphasis on possibility of Zebi being town. Regardless of voting for him and regardless from Zebi being scum.
Well, i have to say all signs point to you, Zebi. I can't help the feeling at the back of my mind that this is all just a set up, but you've earned my vote at least.
And you vote for Zebi regardless of the possibility of being framed and you mention that and later say you think so.
The claw marks on the Tardis suggest to me that this isn't your first kill, either. I'm guessing that your ship is in some way controlled by the aliens... are you a serial killer or just regular scum?
Vote Zebi
Wheras here you are incredibly confident of Zebi being scum to the point you start speculating what scum he is. I'd expect this from Cyan, who is confident all the time as opposed to "this might be a setup" Madmanquail.
So, despite the fact that i voted for Zebi, i was trying to defend him? and i was fencesitting, despite the fact that i never once unvoted or changed my mind?
See my above post. Your level of confidence in whether Zebi is scum varies dramatically, even within a single post ("I have doubts" vs. "What scum are you?").
So your arguement is that since I wanted to test whether Key was still in the game, i am scum?
No. Just anyone can do it. Everything you have done anyone else could have done, regardless of your alignment.
I have no interest in voting for key, it's just to check whether he is alive since his vote will be counted on the votecount. Once i know, i will unvote.
Then I won't count it as a true vote.
With that in mind, you have voted once in this game, and have only fosed once that I have seen (citation badly needed. This is probably wrong. MMQ you better clarify with post numbers if possible).
Tilde absolutely refused to answer any of my questions day 1. TBH, the biggest point I had against him the whole day was his unwillingness to answer or justify his actions. So yes, I was aggressive because he was being intentionally evasive. DV wasn't evasive or interesting, he was pretty much just scummy and followed with a terrible claim. At no point would my contribution have been necessary or useful.
Scummier words have never been spoken.
Seriously, I love the logic that you pushed against the person who was evasive, but NOT against the person who was 'just scummy'. If being scummy is not adequate reason for you to push at someone(or even vote them in any kind of meaningful fashion), then why would you push at someone for being evasive? More clearly, if being scummy isn't worth a vote, then..what is?
I also fail to see where I've been more waffly than normal. And it amuses me that someone who's been completely all over the board with his reads this time around is banging one someone for not being "concrete." The only real charged language I use is day 1 to provoke a reaction from Tilde, and that was definitely intentional (and I would contend, effective).
All over the board? Who have I voted for/expressed suspicion towards this game? DV...scum. MMoD. Jury is still out. Axel. In my top 3 scum candidates. Tilde. Neutral survivor that killed a townie..might as well be scum. Zebi...scum. And, Red Omega. Yeah he ended up town, but he acted scummy enough that someone obviously vigged him.
Nice OMGUS, also.
ATM, I'm happy with the vote on yoda and I really want to hear from Key.
Your vote on Yoda is terrible opportunism.
Of course you want to hear from Key. You've tried to fish information any time you could get away with it this time. You did so in my case, you did so in DYH's case, you're doing so re: Key.
Interestingly, though, twice when the town has had the opportunity to gain information on known mafia entities, you have argued against me using my role to target them.
Honestly, for everyone that is(hopefully) following along, that last bit is probably the best point here.
And if MMQ's trying to put forward the suggestion that Zebi is town and has been set-up, why would he even bother with a vote in the first place?
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Vote: Zebi
That makes 6 with 10 to lynch. Unless Zebi somehow posts a truly amazing explanation, I don't see how we lynch anyone else.
Vote:Zebi
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When I use my kill, the target is also role blocked for the night while they fight off swarms of invaders.
I killed R_0 last night due to his scummy play, and figured that it couldn't be a bad use of the kill. I figure what happened is that there was a Bodyguard of some sort, (Zindabad) which was rigged to tell whoever killed the bodyguard.
The reason I lynched Tilde on somewhat poor grounds was that I didn't think for a second there would be three town aligned one-shot roles. That made it an easy choice for me, but I couldn't very well explain that without revealing myself, could I?
I realize right now what every single one of you is thinking. If I was in this position right now, I would be voting myself too. But I've been screwed by conflicting town abilities, and there doesn't seem to be much I can do at this point. But even though it would be so easy to just lynch me and roll the dice, you have to think that maybe it was just a really crappy circumstance. There's (in my mind at least, obviously not everyone else's) scummier players than I have been, and the only thing that's pointing scum at me is an unfortunate role clash.
There's not much left I can say. I'm not scum, and I will fight to not be today's lynch. I realize that if I survive, I will have a huge target on my back all game, but whatever. You just have to consider the possibility of being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I see Zebi is in the thread. Full claim immediately. I expect my vote will be following, regardless, but humor me.
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@Zebi: A couple problems with your story:
Where's the scum kill then? (being the primary issue)
and Town Zindabad protects scummy R_0? Highly doubtful.
Oh, and then there's the possibility your swarms were the cause of the clawmarks on PM last night, too.
Time to die, SMEG!
Vote: Zebi
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Scum kill could have been doc'ed, RBed, whatever.
Can't really explain zindabad's play, but trust me - I was more shocked about it than you. Of course, it could be some other scum ability, a framing ability of sorts. Can't explain it, though.
I'll be back later today to explain myself more.
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I see. Said feelings must be, again, terribly insightful.
I see yet another killing role...
I question that if you were so certain that Zin is a bodyguard, then you must be sure that he protected RO? But why would he protect RO, a player formerly under a heavy pressure and still not really cleared by any means, over more feasible targets? Surely it can't be that he think RO will be nightkilled by scums tonight, seeing as Zin is CONFIRMED TOWN, and thus only need to account for scum nightkills? What then do you think happened to the two scum nightkills that are unaccounted last night?
I see. I just felt slightly mystified that you of all people would use ad-hom attacks from a frustrated player, and maybe rightly so, as an indication that he is scum.
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A framing ability? How does that work then? Because you just admitted outright you targeted RO for a kill and then Zin received it somehow. How did the scums redirect your kill from RO to Zin so elegantly? And why would any framing specifically involves RO, Zin, and you?
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Should I look at the wreckage of DV, or, Zindabad? It seems like it would be a good idea to know some of the scums abilities, especially ones that they no longer have.
Please don't lynch before we have a chance to discuss this.
If you have confirmation that Zin is indeed a bodyguard, then we would have known with a certainty that Zebi is lying because I cannot in anyway fathom Zin protecting RO last night. It's like on the spot Zebi picked a player which seemed like it's feasible for him to vig, and then just stuck Zin as the bodyguard that protected said player.
On the other hand, Zebi might as well have just suicided, due to the contradiction Ced pointed out. So, we might as well just find out DV's role.
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NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I suggest we spite them.
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@Toastboy: Knowing what capabilities a scum has is always valuable information, even if that scum is dead. It gives you insight into their mindset.
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NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Not sure what he's at currently, but we're waiting on some further info from Cyan and/or Ced.
Gonna have to agree with everyone about MMQ.
However, to ensure it is correct, Cyan should definitely look at Zindabad's wreckage - if Zindabad isn't a bodyguard then we have to assume redirection. It'd be worth noting whether the message was Zinda's ability or not.
Pending a drastic revelation, Zebi is the obvious lynch for the day.
You mean you agree with the two conflicting opinions?
This proves that he is a lair. I have a strong feeling that he is lying about his claim and that he is scum.
Vote: zebi
smoke_Killah
Not to mention missing kill/s.
It would be cool if everyone could make a "this is where I'm at" post like Ced before we went back to Night.
Where I am at:
Town:
Cyan
Shadow_KnightCed395Jerubbaal
Dagger
Leaning Town:
Toastboy
DYH
Axelrod
Syrenz
No idea/neutral:
RafaelK
lrd
Madmanquail
Red_0mega
Biohazard
Mystery Meat of Doom
Scum:
Yodavader
My only real scum read is Yoda (for reasons already noted, and I will make an actual case when we have a day that doesn't start with a speed lynch of obvious scum) and I haven't had a need to re-read. The "no-reads" are people I have not been paying enough attention to to reach a conclusion.
Pending Zebi's alignment, Red_0mega is likely to change.
Dagger I continue not to like, and I have mixed feelings about Bio.
Ced and Axel I like as town, along w/ probably R_O (because he was the "alternate" wagon to a scum) and Cyan.
Everyone else is floating somewhere in between.
@Cyan - Could you explain more precisely what you mean?
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Look to Basic 10 where I got lynched in exactly the same way, where I was also a town. I gave my case and noone believed me. Don't make the same mistake twice.
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way to not say anything useful or in your defense other than that pathetic appeal to emotion.
Zind is obviously not vanilla town unless there's some mafia shenanigans. I didn't (and wouldn't) target him, and yet he managed to find himself dead with me being blamed.
Also, wouldn't it be a smarter play now that I'm going down in flames for me to claim Doc so that the other Doctor would have to claim, allowing an easy kill, assuming I'm Mafia?
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Vote: Zebi
I don't believe his claim. And MMoD beat me to the punch when he said:
No, because no-one would believe you anyway and no doctor would bother counterclaiming. I see only WIFOM and pleas to emotion from you, and no explanation worth the name.
That goes with the mod refusing to give a cause of death (I was following up on my theory that the previous night was a double kill, one by weapons fire and one by an attack by the thing that made the claw marks). Special ability ahoy.
Vote Zebi
They don't buy it, and blast him to smithereens.
Zebi, - USS Solaco, has been lynched.
Night actions due 48 hours after this post.
This time there are THREE ships missing.
The first ship is DYH - Rogue Cylon Heavy Raider.His crew are dead in their ship.
The second ship is Red_0mega - Jupiter II - It looks like his ship took ordinance to the face.
The third ship is Dagger - USS-Voyager, whose ship is just so many pieces. It looks like it may have suffered a warp-core breach.
It is now DAY 4.
With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.
* Dagger haunts
BTW, bah!
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Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I would vote for Cyan to check DYH. We could guess that DYH was the SK, but let's be sure. DYH as SK would make me figure on red omega as the mafia kill and Dagger being vigged, most likely.
The last few days have given us some good information. Hopefully I'll get some time over the weekend to see if there's anyone with a set of interesting interactions with both dead mafia members.
To anyone who said scum don't bother lying in these things....
I find it entirely possible that the claw marks & graffiti could have been caused by different things. (although what kind of ability the graffiti represents is anyone's guess.)
I'd personally rather Cyan be looking at one of the scum than DYH. Regardless of whether he's the SK or not, he's not here anymore, and the fact that he was a neutral suggests that he was isolated. Learning more about the scum is probably much more advantageous, and has the potential to effect our knowledge about what they can/could/cannot do.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Is Key still with us? If he is, I'd kinda like an explanation of his resurrection, insofar as he is able. If flavor's all you've got, it will do.
@RafK - none of the dead scum so far were liars, so it's moderately safe to assume the scum weren't overly worried about an obvious pattern in the ships.
Doubt anybody else from BSG is scum, w/ DV pushing to lynch BSG people.
#166 - RafK's backhanded defense of DV - no likey.
WARNING blatant gaming the mod - we have a dead town Star Trek, which means that the chance of yoda being scum is reasonably higher. His behavior this game so far has not been town either, and the "oh my gosh" first post is very lame and a very noob scum thing to do.
Still have mixed feelings on RafK, but his attack on Tilde seems more legitimate than it did to me before.
Unsure why the push on Syrenz really went away - he hasn't done anything terribly town to cause it to go away, and the degree of despair he was displaying was definitely much more scum than town.
Meh, I'll finish the re-read later, but for the moment Vote: yodavader. He's been posting scummy all game, and I'm willing to game the mod a bit on this one.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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This seems to be something that scum do as seen in
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=4418557&postcount=488
(and as I previously mentioned KoZ did turn up scum in that game)
As well as the fact that he provides no content leads me to believe he is scum.
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
I mean..DYH's death flavor says that his 'crew are dead'. When I investigated KoD, I was told that his vig ability was based on sending a swarm of raiders.
Dagger was from Voyager, and his death flavor was a 'warp core breech'. Anyone that has watched any decent amount of Star Trek knows that this is a favorite 'doomsday scenario' for them.
I just think it's something worth considering, especially when we haven't seen any real consistency amongst kill methods.
I'm going to investigate DYH.
It's understandable to have doubts there, especially when you're new, but the end result was not surprising.
Unrelatedly, Vote Jerubbaal
DYH already explained alot of what is scummy about DYH. But there is also a clear disparity between his attitude day 1 towards Tilde(not mafia) and Day 2 towards DV(mafia). Against Tilde, he was fairly aggressive, and repeatedly responded to his various posts. Against DV, the entirety of his contribution to the wagon can be summed up as 'I like this wagon but it's full enough'.
Also, almost all of his posts are waffly. If you read them, so much of the language he uses is..I'm not sure what the word I'm looking for is, but it's bad. There isn't anything really concrete, and he uses a ton of charged language. These things are typical scum behaviors, where they try to hedge their bets and/or try to make a case out to be more than it really is.
I also fail to see where I've been more waffly than normal. And it amuses me that someone who's been completely all over the board with his reads this time around is banging one someone for not being "concrete." The only real charged language I use is day 1 to provoke a reaction from Tilde, and that was definitely intentional (and I would contend, effective).
ATM, I'm happy with the vote on yoda and I really want to hear from Key.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I note a lack of voting. By my count, you have voted once in three days, and did not have it on long enough to even register it on a votecount. And it was on Tilde, Day 1. Absolutely pathetic.
I cannot think of anything significant Madmanquail has ever done in this game. Possibly fencesitting on Zebi. It's bad.
And now voting some one that may or may not be alive and most certainly isn't scum. A nice little thing scum can do to look like they're actually contributing but really aren't.
Mention both possibilities, but no analysis whatsoever. Very neutral language.
Emphasis on possibility of Zebi being town. Regardless of voting for him and regardless from Zebi being scum.
And you vote for Zebi regardless of the possibility of being framed and you mention that and later say you think so. Wheras here you are incredibly confident of Zebi being scum to the point you start speculating what scum he is. I'd expect this from Cyan, who is confident all the time as opposed to "this might be a setup" Madmanquail.
With that in mind, you have voted once in this game, and have only fosed once that I have seen (citation badly needed. This is probably wrong. MMQ you better clarify with post numbers if possible).
Scummier words have never been spoken.
Seriously, I love the logic that you pushed against the person who was evasive, but NOT against the person who was 'just scummy'. If being scummy is not adequate reason for you to push at someone(or even vote them in any kind of meaningful fashion), then why would you push at someone for being evasive? More clearly, if being scummy isn't worth a vote, then..what is?
All over the board? Who have I voted for/expressed suspicion towards this game? DV...scum. MMoD. Jury is still out. Axel. In my top 3 scum candidates. Tilde. Neutral survivor that killed a townie..might as well be scum. Zebi...scum. And, Red Omega. Yeah he ended up town, but he acted scummy enough that someone obviously vigged him.
Nice OMGUS, also.
Your vote on Yoda is terrible opportunism.
Of course you want to hear from Key. You've tried to fish information any time you could get away with it this time. You did so in my case, you did so in DYH's case, you're doing so re: Key.
Interestingly, though, twice when the town has had the opportunity to gain information on known mafia entities, you have argued against me using my role to target them.
Honestly, for everyone that is(hopefully) following along, that last bit is probably the best point here.
mmq's record of suspicion is as such
Day 1: Fos Tilde
Day 2: Nothing
Day 3: Expresses doubts, but Votes Zebi
Day 4: Vote Key for clarification
mmq has apparently no suspicion on any living player. That needs to change, or mmq needs to die.
BTW this is mine, done in the same number of posts
Day 1: Random voting, Vote Cyan, Fos Syrenz, Fos D_V
Day 2: Vote Red_0mega, Fos Ird
Day 3: No posts. Oops
Day 4: Vote: Madmanquail
That is all for now.