I didn't get through, and although it could have been down to the Ion strom, it felt like there was something blocking my scanners.
I saw it, but this is the extent of your flavor? How unhelpful.
ced secretly has scanner jammer? It's not out of the question.
I'll claim now then since otherwise I would be on the shortlist. I am Battlestar Galactica, town roleblocker. Flavor being my highly trained, badass-looking dudes can take over ships for the night and make sure they don't do anything.
Targets:
N0:No target
N1: D_V
N2-3: R0, since he was acting generally unhelpful.
N4: Ecophagy (given no kill last night, another good reason to lynch him)
@lrd: I changed my mind partially due to lack of better options and due to rereading the thread. You garnered temporary town points for agreeing with me, though it could have been just bussing since it's generally not a bad idea.
I'll claim now then since otherwise I would be on the shortlist. I am Battlestar Galactica, town roleblocker. Flavor being my highly trained, badass-looking dudes can take over ships for the night and make sure they don't do anything.?
this sounds like invasion. didn't we have a doctor that protects from this or something?
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I saw it, but this is the extent of your flavor? How unhelpful.
ced secretly has scanner jammer? It's not out of the question.
I'll claim now then since otherwise I would be on the shortlist. I am Battlestar Galactica, town roleblocker. Flavor being my highly trained, badass-looking dudes can take over ships for the night and make sure they don't do anything.
Targets:
N0:No target
N1: D_V
N2-3: R0, since he was acting generally unhelpful.
N4: Ecophagy (given no kill last night, another good reason to lynch him)
@lrd: I changed my mind partially due to lack of better options and due to rereading the thread. You garnered temporary town points for agreeing with me, though it could have been just bussing since it's generally not a bad idea.
N3 I was boarded. Heavily armed soldiers essentially took over my ship. At the time, I did not know what they were doing - whether it was a RBing action or some kind of Inspection or an attempt to steal my technology, and I did not know if this was a Town or a Mafia action. I've been waiting to see if anyone would claim this, and now Bio is claiming town RBer with Soldiers - but not targeting me.
Which means either there is a scum who acts with Soldiers, or Bio is not telling the truth?
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Personally, I'm extremely suspicious of anyone ever claiming town roleblocker. Seriously, the functionality is extremely limited, it's another "blocking" role in a town which already seems replete with them, and he gives a list of targets that can't actually claim they've been blocked (I suppose Eco can claim, but if they're both scum, or just Eco's scum, the point is kind of moot). Also, I don't see why you would even use the ability unless you were extremely confident in your read, as the chance of hindering the town is much, much higher than hurting the scum.
For the record, on the rare chance that Eco is not scum, he should tell us whether he received blocking flavor last night. If he's still actually following the thread at this point.
I'm fine w/ vigging Bio tonight. The lynch is obviously Eco, and we can discuss whether Cyan should vig as well, but I don't imagine that he's going to listen to much of what other people say.
@Bio - what's the list of mafia abilities down at the bottom of your post for? Can you cite where we've discovered these abilities, because I don't recall all of them.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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For the record, on the rare chance that Eco is not scum, he should tell us whether he received blocking flavor last night. If he's still actually following the thread at this point.
I am, I'm just not posting because my opinion isn't really going to have much of an impact.
FWIW, yes I was RB'd last night by a group of heavily armed and armoured soldiers who somehow made their way into the bridge of my ship.
It didn't affect me, since my ability is entirely passive, but it was a (mod confirmed) RB.
I just thought that Bio's role sounded like a cult, but the more I thought about it, the less of a chance it would have been. Since there is scum and at least 2 neutrals. It was just a thought that popped in my head.
Personally, I'm extremely suspicious of anyone ever claiming town roleblocker. Seriously, the functionality is extremely limited, it's another "blocking" role in a town which already seems replete with them, and he gives a list of targets that can't actually claim they've been blocked (I suppose Eco can claim, but if they're both scum, or just Eco's scum, the point is kind of moot). Also, I don't see why you would even use the ability unless you were extremely confident in your read, as the chance of hindering the town is much, much higher than hurting the scum.
didn't you at one point say you had some sort of information on invasions or something? I know you did cause you were trying to pin my coming back as an invasion or something. mind to spill what you know now?
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Jer said he protects from both invasions and pewpewlazers IIRC.
BTW BH is a good vig target. I have no idea why he would not claim targetting Eco with a RB when day started.
Biohazard claims an invasion ability. Why would Town Doc(jerub) protect from Town RB(unless they're more invasion abilities out there that we don't know)
definately think Biohazard should die sometime. I don't see the logic in roleblocking R0 twice despite the unhelpfulness after a kill still went through night 2.
Also, the claim flavor is really unsettling. make srue they don't do anything? sounds really made up to fit the RB imo.
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N3 I was boarded. Heavily armed soldiers essentially took over my ship. At the time, I did not know what they were doing - whether it was a RBing action or some kind of Inspection or an attempt to steal my technology, and I did not know if this was a Town or a Mafia action. I've been waiting to see if anyone would claim this, and now Bio is claiming town RBer with Soldiers - but not targeting me.
Which means either there is a scum who acts with Soldiers, or Bio is not telling the truth?
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Biohazard claims an invasion ability. Why would Town Doc(jerub) protect from Town RB(unless they're more invasion abilities out there that we don't know)
Yes, also MMoD as town with a defence against invasions. Seems strange that 2 townies would have defence against town only. It's also interesting how he
isn't a Cylon like me, you and DYH, but I'm not sure what that means.
Yep, I think that BH is now my first choice for a vig, with MMoD still second.
I do agree with Cyan though, that we shouldn't write everyone with a positive good investigation off.
So you want to Vig 2 people that probably aren't scum, and took my positive insight about investigations, put it in your own words, and made it look ridiculously scummy.
Normally I wouldn't respond to something like this, but considering you have a gun, I'll just say this: Cyan, if you shoot me tonight (and Lord knows if we actually lose because of it) I am never going to let you live it down. I don't know what I said this time around that's got your bee all up in a bonnet, but you need to take a step back from yourself and just reassess. Or something.
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I'm not sure what description you are talking about. I was boarded by heavily armed soldiers. So that sounds very much like what Bio claimed. I'm a little surprised, though, if he's scum and targeted me, that he wouldn't just up and fess to having targeting me, as opposed to lying about it. I mean, he'd have to assume I would know I'd been targeted. So I don't know what he'd gain there - unless he was just so afraid admitting it would make him look bad, which seems odd.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Normally I wouldn't respond to something like this, but considering you have a gun, I'll just say this: Cyan, if you shoot me tonight (and Lord knows if we actually lose because of it) I am never going to let you live it down. I don't know what I said this time around that's got your bee all up in a bonnet, but you need to take a step back from yourself and just reassess. Or something.
It's funny the things that can make you re-assess a position on somebody. I'm pretty sure you're town now.
Not much to say. Apart from Toast's, I guess, nobody's claim really changes my opinion on them. lrd is my top vig target, for lack of a better option.
MMoD is next. His claimed role is unusual, but I seem to remember him claiming something nonstandard and yet somewhat believable (yet totally made up) in Persona mafia, so I'm still not sure.
I claimed JOAT I think, but this is just a coincidence.
Still not seeing Biohazard as scum. The town do have roleblocking abilities in many games nowadays (and they're severly underrated). Have we seen any others in this town?
What do you mean nowadays? RB'ers are fairly standard as town or scum, I don't really remember them not being standard at all. What do you think of his non-comment this morning when there was no kill?
N3 I was boarded. Heavily armed soldiers essentially took over my ship. At the time, I did not know what they were doing - whether it was a RBing action or some kind of Inspection or an attempt to steal my technology, and I did not know if this was a Town or a Mafia action. I've been waiting to see if anyone would claim this, and now Bio is claiming town RBer with Soldiers - but not targeting me.
Which means either there is a scum who acts with Soldiers, or Bio is not telling the truth?
Scum that act with soldiers is quite likely, given that DYH was killed by invasion and people protect against it.
Interestingly, mmod claimed to be invaded N3 as well. Which means at least 2 invasions N3 not counting my roleblock, which means at least two people are lying about their role, therefore probably scum.
Night 3 summary: 3 kills (scum + yoda + unknown), 2 invasions (unknown on axelrod, unknown on mmod, me on R0).There are 3 roleblocks and 1 kill in addition to the mafia kill.
3 roleblocks in one night is ridiculous especially as you are suggesting if I am lying 3 came from scum/neutrals. Given I am a town roleblocker, I know there is two claimed invasions coming from scum/neutrals, which while more reasonable seems extremely unlikely given the lack of any other roleblocks. I am inclined to believe you and/or mmod is lying.
If you are scum, you would be motivated to lie because you can leverage your "town" status to convincingly set me up and then point to mmod as the liar. Mind you, I'm not saying you're scum (in fact I have you down as town, but I need to look at your posts to reverify this), but the motivation is there to lie.
If mmod is scum, mmod would also have reason to set me up, but it's slightly less likely since he brought up being roleblocked earlier.
If Eco is town, then this goes someway to clearing BH. However, as we are confident Eco is scum, then it is just guesswork as to how far Eco is trying to confuse the town.
However, if Eco is scum, then BH would still be my second choice for lynching.
What kind of ass-backwards logic is this? I'm not sure how Eco being scum would make me scum. I'm not sure how Eco being town would make me town.
See the underlined. If Eco was scum, I would still be you second choice for lynching, that is, it doesn't matter what alignment Eco is, you still think I should be killed. Though Eco being town would clear me somewhat, you would still think I should be killed. So your post is a lot of text that just says "I would like to see Biohazard killed tonight".
Jer said he protects from both invasions and pewpewlazers IIRC.
BTW BH is a good vig target. I have no idea why he would not claim targetting Eco with a RB when day started.
Because I didn't want to claim a power role at that point. I didn't see any reason to since Ecophagy was being scummy anyways. I'm against mass claims of any sort, and I never like to claim when I don't have to.
For reasons why I'm not a good vig target, see the bottom of my post.
Biohazard claims an invasion ability. Why would Town Doc(jerub) protect from Town RB(unless they're more invasion abilities out there that we don't know)
As you can see with DYH, invasion kills are quite possible.
definately think Biohazard should die sometime. I don't see the logic in roleblocking R0 twice despite the unhelpfulness after a kill still went through night 2.
Also, the claim flavor is really unsettling. make srue they don't do anything? sounds really made up to fit the RB imo.
Just because he was not scum using the NK power doesn't mean he was scum not trying to use some other power (such as, scrying or roleblocking).
And I have the right to paraphrase. Don't hold WoD's flavormaking skills against me.
Yes, also MMoD as town with a defence against invasions. Seems strange that 2 townies would have defence against town only. It's also interesting how he
isn't a Cylon like me, you and DYH, but I'm not sure what that means.
The second sentence is absolutely incorrect.
not being a Cylon means I'm BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. There shouldn't be an issue with me being Battlestar Galactica
Personally, I'm extremely suspicious of anyone ever claiming town roleblocker. Seriously, the functionality is extremely limited, it's another "blocking" role in a town which already seems replete with them, and he gives a list of targets that can't actually claim they've been blocked (I suppose Eco can claim, but if they're both scum, or just Eco's scum, the point is kind of moot). Also, I don't see why you would even use the ability unless you were extremely confident in your read, as the chance of hindering the town is much, much higher than hurting the scum.
Roleblocker does not have an "extremely limited" functionality, particularly in this stage of the game. See the bottom of my post where I explain this.
This game I blocked two scum (Ecophagy is 99% lying scum) and one lurker who was so scummy he got vigged to save the town a lynch. It's not my fault that my targets are so scummy they're all either dead or about to be dead because Ecophagy is scum.
And yes, I am extremely confident in my reads, and fully excercise my right to use my power role and I use it to the benefit to the town. If you want to further discuss the usefulness of town roleblockers, I'd be more than happy to discuss it, but I'd rather spend my time doing more useful things.
For the record, on the rare chance that Eco is not scum, he should tell us whether he received blocking flavor last night. If he's still actually following the thread at this point.
I'm fine w/ vigging Bio tonight. The lynch is obviously Eco, and we can discuss whether Cyan should vig as well, but I don't imagine that he's going to listen to much of what other people say.
Being either the doctor or scum, I do see a good reason why you would be uncomfortable with a roleblocker running around. Cyan doesn't have to, should lrd be vigged by yodavader. I am most effective against a small scumteam, so of course I would like to see as many correct vigs as possible.
@Bio - what's the list of mafia abilities down at the bottom of your post for? Can you cite where we've discovered these abilities, because I don't recall all of them.
DV claimed 1-shot NK, Cyan verified this and salvaged it. Ecophagy claimed a very verifiable role in not being able to be NK'd. Cyan said DYH had a sensor jammer.
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Finally, why I'm not a good vig target:
I'm the town roleblocker
I'm not blocking any power roles (which means Axelrod needs to claim)
If I was scum roleblocker, Jerubaal should be dead by now.
The only thing you have against me is my claim, which could hypothetically go both ways but really is protown.
I'm probably going to be killed by the mafia at some point anyways, so arranging me to be vigged is a waste of a vig.
Against a limited scumteam, I can effectively investigate anybody, with the result being preventing a kill. This can prevent NKs as well as finding potential scum.
If you still are convinced I'm scum, make a case against me.
Somewhat unrelatedly, I don't know why so many people want to try and vig mmod. Some people are forgetting he claimed unkillable, and it does nothing to prove his alignment.
@mmod: Where is my noncomment? Unless you mean my vote ecophagy post, which had a pretty big comment in it about what alignment I think ecophagy is.
I am too focused on the fact that you didn't announce it and forgot you did block Eco and was pushing him earlier today. So if Eco is scum you're a bit better off in my books (and shouldn't be vigged tonight).
Also, if you think I claimed invaded to try and set you up that's pretty farfetched. How was I even to know the RB'er would invade ships?
I take problems with your post and reasoning though.
Finally, why I'm not a good vig target:
I'm the town roleblocker
Srsly? This has got to be one of the most ☺☺☺☺ty reasonings I've seen in a while. The entire point of vigging you is that WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TOWN and we think you might be scum.
I'm not blocking any power roles (which means Axelrod needs to claim)
If I was scum roleblocker, Jerubaal should be dead by now.
Not sure why Jerub should be dead; he's the doctor, who's gonna protect him? Likely he's just not high priority right now for mafia.
The only thing you have against me is my claim, which could hypothetically go both ways but really is protown.
Not really. RBers are not really more likely to be town, they're more often used as scum IMO, though town has it too in larger games.
I'm probably going to be killed by the mafia at some point anyways, so arranging me to be vigged is a waste of a vig.
Against a limited scumteam, I can effectively investigate anybody, with the result being preventing a kill. This can prevent NKs as well as finding potential scum.
Right, but if you're mafia, then you're not going to shoot yourself. I don't understand your last point either; how are you effectively investigating anyone unless there is exactly one mafia left (and even then scum could no-kill)
I was feeling a bit better about you, but then I read your reasoning, which is pretty ☺☺☺☺ing bad and a scummy defense at that. I don't think you should be vigged if Eco is scum, but you're not going to be town in my books either. Not to mention I feel like if you targetted me your ability would have been destroyed, so you might be just gambitting and am just bussing Eco hard.
Finally, why I'm not a good vig target:
I'm the town roleblocker
I'm not blocking any power roles (which means Axelrod needs to claim) If I was scum roleblocker, Jerubaal should be dead by now.
The only thing you have against me is my claim, which could hypothetically go both ways but really is protown.
I'm probably going to be killed by the mafia at some point anyways, so arranging me to be vigged is a waste of a vig.
Against a limited scumteam, I can effectively investigate anybody, with the result being preventing a kill. This can prevent NKs as well as finding potential scum.
how does you being scum result in jerubaal being dead? i don't think he can protect himself, so scum coulda just shot him. the way i see, the most productive scum play last night was to NOT shoot Jerubaal and try to kill a high profile player. the town robably lynches jerub for failing as doc since everyone was washy on his claim. if it doesn't work, shoot him tonight. the logical response would be if you were scum, Cyan would dead...
its too convenient you forgot that you blocked ecophagy and there was no kill.
also, a lmited scum team could just sit and let a confused town wade through crap to try and find the last 1-2 then start picking off players later. i mean, especially with you now claiming roleblocker, they could just sit and if you block someone, your concluding that they're scum since there was no kill and the scum get away with a free speed lynch.
I don't know, i have a bad feeling posting all this play analysis but your reasons are just so bad I feel like they shouldn't protect you from a lynch.
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Why do you want to get to night so fast? We have plenty of time.
I'll tell you why: you're scum and you want to make sure the town roleblocker is vigged tonight which keeps you from being vigged yourself. Very suspicious.
Vote: lrd This is essentially a no-lynch vote that also reflects who I think is scum in addition to Ecophagy.
Wouldn't you like to direct my roleblock, since so many people think I'm suspicious?
TB also needs a target, and needs to know for sure whether I'm being vigged.
Yodavader also needs a target other than myself. I want to show lrd is scummier than I am, but I can't if you lynch Ecophagy right now, which prevents me from making a case against lrd and defending myself against the case presented against me.
There's no reason not to let me try. If anything, it gives you more information on me. I want to respond to everybody that directs a question or comment my way.
[SIZE=2]I meant you not mentioning you blocked Eco.
I am too focused on the fact that you didn't announce it and forgot you did block Eco and was pushing him earlier today. So if Eco is scum you're a bit better off in my books (and shouldn't be vigged tonight).
Good. In which case I won't get vigged tonight.
Also, if you think I claimed invaded to try and set you up that's pretty farfetched. How was I even to know the RB'er would invade ships?
I was just going through the possibilities. I think something doesn't add up about N3. It is, admittedly, very unlikely that you lied, and I only reluctantly put it in so it wouldn't seem like I was as biased against Axelrod lying than anyone else.
I take problems with your post and reasoning though.
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Srsly? This has got to be one of the most ☺☺☺☺ty reasonings I've seen in a while. The entire point of vigging you is that WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TOWN and we think you might be scum.
Yes but I do,
Not sure why Jerub should be dead; he's the doctor, who's gonna protect him? Likely he's just not high priority right now for mafia.
Protector being myself roleblocking Ecophagy. I was just overconfidently speculating who Ecophagy was going to kill since that's what I would do. The real target might have been Cyan or Ced or anyone else.
Not really. RBers are not really more likely to be town, they're more often used as scum IMO, though town has it too in larger games.
Given my targets though... I'm not hurting anything.
Right, but if you're mafia, then you're not going to shoot yourself. I don't understand your last point either; how are you effectively investigating anyone unless there is exactly one mafia left (and even then scum could no-kill)
Fairly confident lrd is one of two scum other than Ecophagy.
I was feeling a bit better about you, but then I read your reasoning, which is pretty ☺☺☺☺ing bad and a scummy defense at that. I don't think you should be vigged if Eco is scum, but you're not going to be town in my books either.
Fine with me.
Not to mention I feel like if you targetted me your ability would have been destroyed, so you might be just gambitting and am just bussing Eco hard.
If I targeted someone other than scum tonight and they confirmed that tomorrow you would know I didn't target you. Do you think this is a good idea?
@BH - I don't like your last post. All your 'usefulness' relies on your role, not scumhunting, towniness or anything else.
Well, given that everyone who is pushing me seems to be pushing me on the basis of my role and not on my scumhunting/townieness, because as far as I'm concerned that's the only reason people think I should be vigged. Yes both those are important. My way of saying this was "If you still think I'm scummy, make a case against me", that is, look beyond my role and actually come up with something concrete. It might not convince you I'm town, but to vig me based on my role alone is really awful.
Your logic is odd, and your usefulness as an investigator is pretty small, considering that even if Eco flips scum there are still 2 left who can perform the kill. Then the attack on Axel, saying 'you're lying to get me lynched! (But I think you're town anyway)' is simply unhelpful.
how does you being scum result in jerubaal being dead? i don't think he can protect himself, so scum coulda just shot him. the way i see, the most productive scum play last night was to NOT shoot Jerubaal and try to kill a high profile player. the town robably lynches jerub for failing as doc since everyone was washy on his claim. if it doesn't work, shoot him tonight. the logical response would be if you were scum, Cyan would dead...
The point was not to name a player I protected but that I prevented Ecophagy from killing someone. Jerubaal was the first reasonable kill target that came to mind.
Its too convenient you forgot that you blocked ecophagy and there was no kill.
I didn't forget. I clearly said at the beginning of today Ecophagy was very suspicious. Just because I don't mention that I roleblocked him doesn't mean I'm not taking it into account when I vote him. Like I said, I didn't want to claim.
also, a lmited scum team could just sit and let a confused town wade through crap to try and find the last 1-2 then start picking off players later. i mean, especially with you now claiming roleblocker, they could just sit and if you block someone, your concluding that they're scum since there was no kill and the scum get away with a free speed lynch.
No kills are a good thing. Firstly, TB+MMoD get free investigations. Secondly, the speedlynch will lynch someone already suspicious in the first place, who may very well be the scum that isn't killing anyone. There is a list of people that are suspicious and after the speedlynch this list gets smaller. It is a good thing for the town if the town gets to choose who gets killed and the scum doesn't. When this happens the town is in control.
I don't know, i have a bad feeling posting all this play analysis but your reasons are just so bad I feel like they shouldn't protect you from a lynch.
I'm not asking for a doc protect if that's what you mean by protect me from a lynch. I have been suitably suspicious not to be killed by the mafia because while I'm alive it more or less forces Toastboy to waste an investigation on me at some point.
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Another reason not to vig me is it's much better to investigate a claimed power role and vig a claimed vanilla than the other way around. I think people can see the logic in this reasoning.
As you all look around, you notice with a sick sinking feeling that not one, not two, but three more of you are missing.
The first is Jerubbaal, whose ship has been riddled with weapon fire. It is clearly labelled - Nadesico. The second is Biohazard. His ship, the Battlestar Galactica, was strafed with high explosives. Finally, Yodavader was also killed. His ship, the Starbug, was found floating dead in space, all its occupants killed.
Didn't DYH originally claim Starbug?
The kill MO also matches the one on DYH, which hasn't appeared elsewhere. Another SK?
Jerubbal is the obvious Mafia kill. Yodavader actually declared his intentions to vig. Bio last game day, and could have gone through with that. Which leaves, Cyan? Going rogue and striking out at Yoda?
Yoda is listed as being "dead in the water" in the Day scene, which is the same description that was used for DYH earlier. Though I note that in the first post, the was they are listed is different:
If it was not Cyan, then (1) Cyan - you still have a kill in your pocket?, and (2) there is another killing entitiy, which could possibly be a Mafia extra kill also, though it's rather late in the game for one of those to be showing up.
Also, who do we want Cyan to check? red_0mega (as the only dead unknown/unclaimed townie), Eco and Yodavader seem like good choices.
Red 0, and Eco are reasonable. Yoda most likely was what he said he was, though, and I don't think we'd learn very much from checking him. Although I note that he claimed Star Trek when we were claiming Universes and turned out to be Star Bug. So, why wouldn't he have vigged DYH on N1, instead of Pale Mage?
There's a lot that still doesn't really fit here.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Erm, I thought the plan was to not vig BH if Eco was scum. Regardless, it seems Yoda killed BH? Wiki scan says Starbug is some sort of mining and explosives + mining sorta go together. Some clarify?
Thinking further. Are you suggesting some kind of "scum who switches ships with people?" So, why DYH claimed Starbug, he was telling the truth. But a scum in a Rogue Cylon Raider switched out with him - maybe the Night he died.
Then this hypothetical scum who is now flying in Starbug switched out with Yodavader last Night, so Yodavader ends up dead in Starbug, while the scum is now flying the U.S.S. Defiant?
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Not quite. I targeted you and got the same interference
That's unfortunate. And troublesome.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Obv I'd rather lynch/vig Ird and Eco, and am opposed to my lynch. BTW I am permanently immune to weapons fire now so don't waste a vig on me.
Axel's idea makes sense actually, because why else would DYH claim Starbug and Yoda the Defiant? The only thing that stands out is that it says in DYH's death that "his crew stand dead", which sorta implies that the Cylons on it were dead. Regardless, I think that there's still a neutral running around
Well he's the only one who hasn't been investigated (other than me), so as long as I trust TB's claim, then there's really no one else for me to look at.
The facts are, the only 'unconfirmed' are myself, MMoD and Ced.
Obviously, each of us would prefer the other two to be killed.
However, I have got really strong vibes from Ced this game, and so would like to look at some of the players cleared by TB more.
Oh, I'm sure you would at that.
This is the "simple" answer, which is not really simple, but fits what we have.
Scum:
Lrd
MMoD
Neutral/SK/Ship-stealer
Ced
I haven't though Ced was any kind of scum all game. He's been at the top of the townie list. But it's possible he's not Mafia, but some kind of Neutral. He could have posted much the same way if that was the case - doing his honest best to find the Mafia. The thing about TB coming up "blank" on him 2x is really troubling. That could definitely be some kind of scum ability.
I don't like his above remark where he says he sees no evidence that Yoda was Starbug. Quite literally until he made that remark I had no trouble believing Yoda was Starbug (because, like, he's listed as Starbug) and I was coming up with all kind of convoluted rationales why Yoda would lie and how DYH could have false-claimed Yoda's role and blah, blah.
Then Ced says what he says and I'm like, wait, what if Yoda wasn't really Starbug....
lrd is almost certainly scum though. After him, there's MMoD and his list of growing abilities. Also the possibility that MMQ is a GF type and got really, really lucky (for other people, the same could theoretically be said about me).
Last possibility is some kind of TB gambit, which is hard to believe and we maybe just flat out lose if that's the case.
Man, this sucks.
Cyan virtually has to be town. Syrenz/Key also almost have to be town (but are going to die together, probably very soon).
That's what it is.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'd prefer if Ird was lynched and Ced was shot. I feel like Ird's been scummier, and my abilities are very non-sk-like, and I can prove I have the communications tonight since I'm done with my shields and I doubt the game will last long enough for me to investigate something else.
If we're picking between MMoD and LRD today(which seems to be the case), then I think it has to be LRD. Has MMoD even done anything that came across as scummy this game? I don't think he has. LRD has had plenty of posts that I thought were questionable, though.
I can see why I'll come under pressure now - as I'm one of a few uncleared people. Is there going to be any case for me to answer.
Also, if you think I'm scum, use your NK on me. I have no night abilities, and this way we can lynch MMoD.
I can see why I'll come under pressure now - as I'm one of a few uncleared people. Is there going to be any case for me to answer.
Also, if you think I'm scum, use your NK on me. I have no night abilities, and this way we can lynch MMoD.
Agreed. That would leave 5 people going into N7, guessing one NK N6 looking at history, and I would be astonished if we didn't hit at least one scum with you two.
(Obviously I would prefer not to be killed, but I don't think that's likely.)
take into account that me or syrenz dying means the other dies as well...
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Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
EWP: Given that, the best course of action is to lynch MMoD, vig myself, then lynch Ced (who has been the towniest) assuming you still want to.
I would like to hear both Ced and MMoD weigh in on this proposal before commenting further.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
ced secretly has scanner jammer? It's not out of the question.
I'll claim now then since otherwise I would be on the shortlist. I am Battlestar Galactica, town roleblocker. Flavor being my highly trained, badass-looking dudes can take over ships for the night and make sure they don't do anything.
Targets:
N0:No target
N1: D_V
N2-3: R0, since he was acting generally unhelpful.
N4: Ecophagy (given no kill last night, another good reason to lynch him)
@lrd: I changed my mind partially due to lack of better options and due to rereading the thread. You garnered temporary town points for agreeing with me, though it could have been just bussing since it's generally not a bad idea.
Mafia abilities:
one-shot extra kill
unviggable
neutrals (daykill, sensor jammer)
possibly something else?
this sounds like invasion. didn't we have a doctor that protects from this or something?
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
Okay, this is interesting.
N3 I was boarded. Heavily armed soldiers essentially took over my ship. At the time, I did not know what they were doing - whether it was a RBing action or some kind of Inspection or an attempt to steal my technology, and I did not know if this was a Town or a Mafia action. I've been waiting to see if anyone would claim this, and now Bio is claiming town RBer with Soldiers - but not targeting me.
Which means either there is a scum who acts with Soldiers, or Bio is not telling the truth?
For the record, on the rare chance that Eco is not scum, he should tell us whether he received blocking flavor last night. If he's still actually following the thread at this point.
I'm fine w/ vigging Bio tonight. The lynch is obviously Eco, and we can discuss whether Cyan should vig as well, but I don't imagine that he's going to listen to much of what other people say.
@Bio - what's the list of mafia abilities down at the bottom of your post for? Can you cite where we've discovered these abilities, because I don't recall all of them.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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And Bio's ability seems more a cult claim. Soldiers taking over a ship sounds more like taking control than stopping them and then retreating.
I am, I'm just not posting because my opinion isn't really going to have much of an impact.
FWIW, yes I was RB'd last night by a group of heavily armed and armoured soldiers who somehow made their way into the bridge of my ship.
It didn't affect me, since my ability is entirely passive, but it was a (mod confirmed) RB.
For Yoda: I have not been culted by Bio's RB.
didn't you at one point say you had some sort of information on invasions or something? I know you did cause you were trying to pin my coming back as an invasion or something. mind to spill what you know now?
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
BTW BH is a good vig target. I have no idea why he would not claim targetting Eco with a RB when day started.
Biohazard claims an invasion ability. Why would Town Doc(jerub) protect from Town RB(unless they're more invasion abilities out there that we don't know)
definately think Biohazard should die sometime. I don't see the logic in roleblocking R0 twice despite the unhelpfulness after a kill still went through night 2.
Also, the claim flavor is really unsettling. make srue they don't do anything? sounds really made up to fit the RB imo.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
This post reeks of a setup.
I'm just suspicious of everything Axel says.
This be the case.
@Axel - does the description match the flavor you got?
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Yes, also MMoD as town with a defence against invasions. Seems strange that 2 townies would have defence against town only. It's also interesting how he
isn't a Cylon like me, you and DYH, but I'm not sure what that means.
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Eco gets the lynch
I will vig BH
Cyan can vig if he likes.
So you want to Vig 2 people that probably aren't scum, and took my positive insight about investigations, put it in your own words, and made it look ridiculously scummy.
That's nice.
Normally I wouldn't respond to something like this, but considering you have a gun, I'll just say this: Cyan, if you shoot me tonight (and Lord knows if we actually lose because of it) I am never going to let you live it down. I don't know what I said this time around that's got your bee all up in a bonnet, but you need to take a step back from yourself and just reassess. Or something.
I'm not sure what description you are talking about. I was boarded by heavily armed soldiers. So that sounds very much like what Bio claimed. I'm a little surprised, though, if he's scum and targeted me, that he wouldn't just up and fess to having targeting me, as opposed to lying about it. I mean, he'd have to assume I would know I'd been targeted. So I don't know what he'd gain there - unless he was just so afraid admitting it would make him look bad, which seems odd.
It's funny the things that can make you re-assess a position on somebody. I'm pretty sure you're town now.
I wonder why you were thinking about DV, though.
What do you mean nowadays? RB'ers are fairly standard as town or scum, I don't really remember them not being standard at all. What do you think of his non-comment this morning when there was no kill?
@Cyan: you don't think BH is likely to be scum?
Guess I'm not paying a ton of attention, heh.
Yeah he could be scum.
Interestingly, mmod claimed to be invaded N3 as well. Which means at least 2 invasions N3 not counting my roleblock, which means at least two people are lying about their role, therefore probably scum.
Night 3 summary: 3 kills (scum + yoda + unknown), 2 invasions (unknown on axelrod, unknown on mmod, me on R0).There are 3 roleblocks and 1 kill in addition to the mafia kill.
3 roleblocks in one night is ridiculous especially as you are suggesting if I am lying 3 came from scum/neutrals. Given I am a town roleblocker, I know there is two claimed invasions coming from scum/neutrals, which while more reasonable seems extremely unlikely given the lack of any other roleblocks. I am inclined to believe you and/or mmod is lying.
If you are scum, you would be motivated to lie because you can leverage your "town" status to convincingly set me up and then point to mmod as the liar. Mind you, I'm not saying you're scum (in fact I have you down as town, but I need to look at your posts to reverify this), but the motivation is there to lie.
If mmod is scum, mmod would also have reason to set me up, but it's slightly less likely since he brought up being roleblocked earlier.
@All: If you've been roleblocked, speak up now.
What kind of ass-backwards logic is this? I'm not sure how Eco being scum would make me scum. I'm not sure how Eco being town would make me town.
See the underlined. If Eco was scum, I would still be you second choice for lynching, that is, it doesn't matter what alignment Eco is, you still think I should be killed. Though Eco being town would clear me somewhat, you would still think I should be killed. So your post is a lot of text that just says "I would like to see Biohazard killed tonight".
I would like to see lrd killed tonight.
Because I didn't want to claim a power role at that point. I didn't see any reason to since Ecophagy was being scummy anyways. I'm against mass claims of any sort, and I never like to claim when I don't have to.
For reasons why I'm not a good vig target, see the bottom of my post.
As you can see with DYH, invasion kills are quite possible.Just because he was not scum using the NK power doesn't mean he was scum not trying to use some other power (such as, scrying or roleblocking).
And I have the right to paraphrase. Don't hold WoD's flavormaking skills against me.
The second sentence is absolutely incorrect.
not being a Cylon means I'm BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. There shouldn't be an issue with me being Battlestar Galactica
See what Cyan just responded. I can't say what he said better than that.
lrd is still my top target to be vigged after Ecophagy is lynched.
DON'T VIG ME I AM A POWER ROLE. If you want more reasons see the bottom of my post.
And we are not ready for tonight. For one I want to figure out who I'm roleblocking tonight.
Roleblocker does not have an "extremely limited" functionality, particularly in this stage of the game. See the bottom of my post where I explain this.
This game I blocked two scum (Ecophagy is 99% lying scum) and one lurker who was so scummy he got vigged to save the town a lynch. It's not my fault that my targets are so scummy they're all either dead or about to be dead because Ecophagy is scum.
And yes, I am extremely confident in my reads, and fully excercise my right to use my power role and I use it to the benefit to the town. If you want to further discuss the usefulness of town roleblockers, I'd be more than happy to discuss it, but I'd rather spend my time doing more useful things.Being either the doctor or scum, I do see a good reason why you would be uncomfortable with a roleblocker running around. Cyan doesn't have to, should lrd be vigged by yodavader. I am most effective against a small scumteam, so of course I would like to see as many correct vigs as possible.
DV claimed 1-shot NK, Cyan verified this and salvaged it. Ecophagy claimed a very verifiable role in not being able to be NK'd. Cyan said DYH had a sensor jammer.
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Finally, why I'm not a good vig target:
I'm the town roleblocker
I'm not blocking any power roles (which means Axelrod needs to claim)
If I was scum roleblocker, Jerubaal should be dead by now.
The only thing you have against me is my claim, which could hypothetically go both ways but really is protown.
I'm probably going to be killed by the mafia at some point anyways, so arranging me to be vigged is a waste of a vig.
Against a limited scumteam, I can effectively investigate anybody, with the result being preventing a kill. This can prevent NKs as well as finding potential scum.
If you still are convinced I'm scum, make a case against me.
Somewhat unrelatedly, I don't know why so many people want to try and vig mmod. Some people are forgetting he claimed unkillable, and it does nothing to prove his alignment.
@mmod: Where is my noncomment? Unless you mean my vote ecophagy post, which had a pretty big comment in it about what alignment I think ecophagy is.
I am too focused on the fact that you didn't announce it and forgot you did block Eco and was pushing him earlier today. So if Eco is scum you're a bit better off in my books (and shouldn't be vigged tonight).
Also, if you think I claimed invaded to try and set you up that's pretty farfetched. How was I even to know the RB'er would invade ships?
I take problems with your post and reasoning though.
Srsly? This has got to be one of the most ☺☺☺☺ty reasonings I've seen in a while. The entire point of vigging you is that WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TOWN and we think you might be scum.
Not sure why Jerub should be dead; he's the doctor, who's gonna protect him? Likely he's just not high priority right now for mafia.
Not really. RBers are not really more likely to be town, they're more often used as scum IMO, though town has it too in larger games.
Right, but if you're mafia, then you're not going to shoot yourself. I don't understand your last point either; how are you effectively investigating anyone unless there is exactly one mafia left (and even then scum could no-kill)
I was feeling a bit better about you, but then I read your reasoning, which is pretty ☺☺☺☺ing bad and a scummy defense at that. I don't think you should be vigged if Eco is scum, but you're not going to be town in my books either. Not to mention I feel like if you targetted me your ability would have been destroyed, so you might be just gambitting and am just bussing Eco hard.
how does you being scum result in jerubaal being dead? i don't think he can protect himself, so scum coulda just shot him. the way i see, the most productive scum play last night was to NOT shoot Jerubaal and try to kill a high profile player. the town robably lynches jerub for failing as doc since everyone was washy on his claim. if it doesn't work, shoot him tonight. the logical response would be if you were scum, Cyan would dead...
its too convenient you forgot that you blocked ecophagy and there was no kill.
also, a lmited scum team could just sit and let a confused town wade through crap to try and find the last 1-2 then start picking off players later. i mean, especially with you now claiming roleblocker, they could just sit and if you block someone, your concluding that they're scum since there was no kill and the scum get away with a free speed lynch.
I don't know, i have a bad feeling posting all this play analysis but your reasons are just so bad I feel like they shouldn't protect you from a lynch.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
Why do you want to get to night so fast? We have plenty of time.
I'll tell you why: you're scum and you want to make sure the town roleblocker is vigged tonight which keeps you from being vigged yourself. Very suspicious.
Vote: lrd This is essentially a no-lynch vote that also reflects who I think is scum in addition to Ecophagy.
Wouldn't you like to direct my roleblock, since so many people think I'm suspicious?
TB also needs a target, and needs to know for sure whether I'm being vigged.
Yodavader also needs a target other than myself. I want to show lrd is scummier than I am, but I can't if you lynch Ecophagy right now, which prevents me from making a case against lrd and defending myself against the case presented against me.
There's no reason not to let me try. If anything, it gives you more information on me. I want to respond to everybody that directs a question or comment my way.
Good. In which case I won't get vigged tonight.I was just going through the possibilities. I think something doesn't add up about N3. It is, admittedly, very unlikely that you lied, and I only reluctantly put it in so it wouldn't seem like I was as biased against Axelrod lying than anyone else.Yes but I do,Protector being myself roleblocking Ecophagy. I was just overconfidently speculating who Ecophagy was going to kill since that's what I would do. The real target might have been Cyan or Ced or anyone else.Given my targets though... I'm not hurting anything.Fairly confident lrd is one of two scum other than Ecophagy.Fine with me.If I targeted someone other than scum tonight and they confirmed that tomorrow you would know I didn't target you. Do you think this is a good idea?
Well, given that everyone who is pushing me seems to be pushing me on the basis of my role and not on my scumhunting/townieness, because as far as I'm concerned that's the only reason people think I should be vigged. Yes both those are important. My way of saying this was "If you still think I'm scummy, make a case against me", that is, look beyond my role and actually come up with something concrete. It might not convince you I'm town, but to vig me based on my role alone is really awful.Like I said, something doesn't add up about N3.
The point was not to name a player I protected but that I prevented Ecophagy from killing someone. Jerubaal was the first reasonable kill target that came to mind.I didn't forget. I clearly said at the beginning of today Ecophagy was very suspicious. Just because I don't mention that I roleblocked him doesn't mean I'm not taking it into account when I vote him. Like I said, I didn't want to claim.No kills are a good thing. Firstly, TB+MMoD get free investigations. Secondly, the speedlynch will lynch someone already suspicious in the first place, who may very well be the scum that isn't killing anyone. There is a list of people that are suspicious and after the speedlynch this list gets smaller. It is a good thing for the town if the town gets to choose who gets killed and the scum doesn't. When this happens the town is in control.I'm not asking for a doc protect if that's what you mean by protect me from a lynch. I have been suitably suspicious not to be killed by the mafia because while I'm alive it more or less forces Toastboy to waste an investigation on me at some point.
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Another reason not to vig me is it's much better to investigate a claimed power role and vig a claimed vanilla than the other way around. I think people can see the logic in this reasoning.
Thank Christ. I have been waited bloody ages.
Vote Ecophagy
You guys suck
Good luck mate, you'll need it.
Then, Ecophagy sends you all a message.
"We have no fear of death, for we are Jem'Hadar. We die for the Founders, and for the Dominion."
His ship then self-destructs, scattering shrapnel across the hulls and shields of your respective ships.
Ecophagy - Jem'Hadar Attack Vessel, has been lynched.
It is now NIGHT 5. There are 12 ships remaining in the Fleet.
Night actions due 48 hours after the Lynch scene.
The first is Jerubbaal, whose ship has been riddled with weapon fire. It is clearly labelled - Nadesico. The second is Biohazard. His ship, the Battlestar Galactica, was strafed with high explosives. Finally, Yodavader was also killed. His ship, the Starbug, was found floating dead in space, all its occupants killed.
It is now DAY 6.
With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
Jerubbal is the obvious Mafia kill. Yodavader actually declared his intentions to vig. Bio last game day, and could have gone through with that. Which leaves, Cyan? Going rogue and striking out at Yoda?
Yoda is listed as being "dead in the water" in the Day scene, which is the same description that was used for DYH earlier. Though I note that in the first post, the was they are listed is different:
If it was not Cyan, then (1) Cyan - you still have a kill in your pocket?, and (2) there is another killing entitiy, which could possibly be a Mafia extra kill also, though it's rather late in the game for one of those to be showing up.
Red 0, and Eco are reasonable. Yoda most likely was what he said he was, though, and I don't think we'd learn very much from checking him. Although I note that he claimed Star Trek when we were claiming Universes and turned out to be Star Bug. So, why wouldn't he have vigged DYH on N1, instead of Pale Mage?
There's a lot that still doesn't really fit here.
Especially considering that I still have mine.
I think that investigating Eco is a good idea, I'll do that.
Out of MMoD and lrd I'd probably go with lynching lrd.
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
What do you mean he wasn't Starbug?
- Starbug - Killed Night 5
It says Starbug right there.
So what exactly are you suggesting?
Thinking further. Are you suggesting some kind of "scum who switches ships with people?" So, why DYH claimed Starbug, he was telling the truth. But a scum in a Rogue Cylon Raider switched out with him - maybe the Night he died.
Then this hypothetical scum who is now flying in Starbug switched out with Yodavader last Night, so Yodavader ends up dead in Starbug, while the scum is now flying the U.S.S. Defiant?
That's unfortunate. And troublesome.
Axel's idea makes sense actually, because why else would DYH claim Starbug and Yoda the Defiant? The only thing that stands out is that it says in DYH's death that "his crew stand dead", which sorta implies that the Cylons on it were dead. Regardless, I think that there's still a neutral running around
I would have been able to salvage them too..oh well.
Oh, I'm sure you would at that.
This is the "simple" answer, which is not really simple, but fits what we have.
Scum:
Lrd
MMoD
Neutral/SK/Ship-stealer
Ced
I haven't though Ced was any kind of scum all game. He's been at the top of the townie list. But it's possible he's not Mafia, but some kind of Neutral. He could have posted much the same way if that was the case - doing his honest best to find the Mafia. The thing about TB coming up "blank" on him 2x is really troubling. That could definitely be some kind of scum ability.
I don't like his above remark where he says he sees no evidence that Yoda was Starbug. Quite literally until he made that remark I had no trouble believing Yoda was Starbug (because, like, he's listed as Starbug) and I was coming up with all kind of convoluted rationales why Yoda would lie and how DYH could have false-claimed Yoda's role and blah, blah.
Then Ced says what he says and I'm like, wait, what if Yoda wasn't really Starbug....
lrd is almost certainly scum though. After him, there's MMoD and his list of growing abilities. Also the possibility that MMQ is a GF type and got really, really lucky (for other people, the same could theoretically be said about me).
Last possibility is some kind of TB gambit, which is hard to believe and we maybe just flat out lose if that's the case.
Man, this sucks.
Cyan virtually has to be town. Syrenz/Key also almost have to be town (but are going to die together, probably very soon).
That's what it is.
And let you get a kill off?
Vote lrd
take into account that me or syrenz dying means the other dies as well...
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
I would like to hear both Ced and MMoD weigh in on this proposal before commenting further.
Or makes me want to lynch them more, in this case.