SP's complete ignorance of the actual point that people wanted him to answer bothers me. I really doubt that he just didn't see the question, seems more like he just couldn't think of an answer right then.
Sorry people, I'm in something of a bad way atm. I've reinjured the same part of my back I hurt two weeks ago. Makes sitting impossible and even walking is a *****. I'm flat on my back now typing this with a borrowed laptop. Last time I was more or less recovered after a week (except, apparently not really since it's happened again).
I see Calvin has a "plan" which I have no time to evaluate. If people go with this let me know if you want me to hold this item or pass it. Passing is probably my preferece.
I hope to be more functional in a couple of days.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
If we decide to not kill Axelrod, I think he should pass it to whatever claimed VT he believes is actually town. iirc, the only VTs in the game now are Calvin, myself, and SP. If we decide not to kill Axelrod, then most likely it will be I or SP that is lynched. Meh, I'm just sharing my thoughts.
We should also consider the possibility (and I'm not sure why I'm just now thinking of this) that TL may be a scum-cop. Those exist, right? I'm pretty sure I've heard of them. Sorry, but I still just don't like your play, man.
A scum cop? You're really starting to grasp at straws here. I'm annoyed by this day since nothing happened that gives us a clue to who can be scum other than that the scum didn't make yet another nightkill. All I know is that there has been a shuffle item ability, which is obviously scum. This means Silent Prophet can't be scum since his item doesn't allow him to do anything.
Axelrod received the item at the beginning of the night, so he's possible scum, since there was a lack of nightkill. R_O vigged Guardman, so that might as well have been the scum in action. Cyan did what he was supposed to do, protect someone. He protected R_O and thus has to be the doc, because else we didn't have R_O here. The only one trying to get uncountered power roles lynched is you, Mandershex. Calvin is just Calvin, haven't got much of a read or theory on him, but he did immediatly claim his item so I doubt he's scum.
So on my possible scum list, that leaves me with:
MH
Axelrod
R_Omega
So, if we lynch axelrod and we shoot MH, we win the game on the spot unless Red_Omega is scum and I was wrong about Axelrod. Something wrong with this logic?
Not grasping for straws, my friend. Only considering every possibility. I've even considered Cyan may be a scum doc (fairly certain I've seen they exist before, somewhere) who protected red_0mega to confirm himself because he was pretty convinced Guardman was SK and red_0mega was telling the truth, which he could have a good idea of if he was scum. So, take no offense to me considering that possibility because it's not high on my list of most likely outcomes (nor is the Cyan scum-doc possibility).
My mind works in amazingly complex ways.
I agree that this day is really annoying. Axelrod being out is making it worse. If he is town, he's a very valuable town player, and I know we're suffering without him. *sigh*
I would still prefer to lynch Silent Prophet. Toastboy seemed off upon my re-read and SP has contributed nothing, making him seem off to me. In fact, I do not plan to move my vote from him for any reason. Therefore, if you want Axelrod lynched, you'll have to convince the rest of the people. My vote is not necessary for it to happen.
red_0mega, please advise if I'm wrong on that. Cyan, Axelrod, and Silent Prophet, (mostly Cyan since he's not involved in either plan) please advise us what you think of these plans and which you prefer OR propose another plan.
I'm feeling a little better. I finally finished my 'homework" from the other game. Look for something more meaningful in the not too distant future.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I don't know. On the one hand, I've had a town read on jordman/axelrod for most of the game. On the other hand, I could just be wrong about that, and if we mislynch today we won't have a chance to get rid of that item.
And then there is SP. TB didn't have any particularly strong posts; nor has SP. I still feel like the point that MH(I think it was MH) brought up against him was very strong..and is still unanswered.
As it stands, I still prefer lynching SP over Axelrod.
SP's complete ignorance of the actual point that people wanted him to answer bothers me. I really doubt that he just didn't see the question, seems more like he just couldn't think of an answer right then.
I already stated that I do not want to do that. If I am asked to kill her I will most likely target someone that actually seems scummy to me instead.
At this point that would be Calvin or Silent Prophet (leaning toward the latter), simply by process of elimination.
Well this is kind of irritating. I want MH shot at it because I am slightly worried that she may have been bluffing with her "lynch me" bit so as to skate by to the endgame. If you're going to insist on this then I would rather lynch Axelrod or MH and have you shoot SP so we can get the most potential bang for our buck.
Sorry people, I'm in something of a bad way atm. I've reinjured the same part of my back I hurt two weeks ago. Makes sitting impossible and even walking is a *****. I'm flat on my back now typing this with a borrowed laptop. Last time I was more or less recovered after a week (except, apparently not really since it's happened again).
I see Calvin has a "plan" which I have no time to evaluate. If people go with this let me know if you want me to hold this item or pass it. Passing is probably my preferece.
I hope to be more functional in a couple of days.
Hope you feel better. You might as well pass it so we can get some addtional confirmation here.
Again...what was it? Am I just not seeing something in plain sight?
How can you be 'missing' a point that you are definitely aware of since you commented on it?
If R0 is insisting on not shooting MH, then I would rather lynch either MH or Axelrod today and have R0 shoot at SP tonight. SP is currently my preference for dying first given the inconsitency in the claim but given R0's stance the alternatives would be better options.
Thoughts?
We really need to get moving and decide something already.
So, if we lynch axelrod and we shoot MH, we win the game on the spot unless Red_Omega is scum and I was wrong about Axelrod. Something wrong with this logic?
Well this is kind of irritating. I want MH shot at it because I am slightly worried that she may have been bluffing with her "lynch me" bit so as to skate by to the endgame. If you're going to insist on this then I would rather lynch Axelrod or MH and have you shoot SP so we can get the most potential bang for our buck.
After thinking things over, I am not sure that I feel good about lynching Axelrod (who I see as very town) just to get rid of the item. I am starting to think that we are getting distracted by them. The point of the game is not the items. It is, as always, to kill the scum. The items have not (as far as I can tell) helped them out very much so far, so I see no real need to be so worried about it at this point.
I feel much better about Vote: Silent Prophet
If we lynch him, I have no idea who to target tonight. If everyone (except herself obviously) wants me to kill MandersHex, then I suppose I should not be quite so stubborn about it. However, I would like to go on record one more time saying that I think it is a very bad idea.
With the knowledge that AK/AI was Mafia, what can we learn from her/his posts? (just saw that AK was banned. That's too bad, I hope she gets some help)
AK didn't say a lot. I actually did a post on AK before we knew she was scum HERE (so YAY! I get to pat myself on the back for that one. Of course, I also did a post on WoD concluding he hadn't done anything to make me think he was town yet). But that post was looking at AK and trying to figure AK out. Now we look again, with knowledge of her alignment, and see if what she said cast new light on anyone else.
Her First post, where she votes Calvin and says "that is a weird item," leans slightly in Calvin's favor. I don't think she'd say that in that way if they were scumbuddies and she knew that he had such an item or she knew he was making it up.
Then there was This post, where she actually asked a 1/2 way decent question. Calvin originally said he had an item that makes someone investigate "opposite" and AK wonders what if someone was "Neutral?" This is actually more relevant now that we know there was an SK in this game. What would the SK investigate as with this item?
@ Technolink: Have you ever said what form your investigations come it? Do you get "Innocent/Guilty" Or "Town/Scum" or something like that?
In any event, it still weighs in Calvin's favor somewhat, as it's less likely she'd be questioning the claim of a teammate.
Then there was This post, in which AK doesn't say much except that she doesn't like a post of jordman's (aka: me) If I were unbiased, I'd say that looks a little bit good for jordman there.
Here kpaca (aka: red Omega) attacks AK because she smeared jordman without voting for him. That's minor ++ points for Red O. A reasonably clever scum-buddy could make a post like that, however, so it's certainly not definitive.
This post has a bit more in it. The non-point about Cyan says nothing one way or the other. The repeated references to kpaca as "rude" again seem to weigh in Red 0's favor now. And again, unbiasedly, I'd say the part where she says "jordman seems really scummy, but I sense some kind of plot here" would normally weigh in jordman's favor now. The only person she says she thinks is town is MK (who I think most people were feeling as town). If MX were scum, that would be an easy post to make. Same if MX is town, so it probably doesn't signify much one way of the other.
Here's another non-point about Cyan. Again, it doesn't really signify much atm, but too much of that type of thing (referencing a player without giving an opinion on them) tends to make me more suspicious.
Then comes her "analysis" of kpaca and Cyan Here. What I get from this is mainly that she's not scum-buddies with kpaca (aka: Red 0). Her stance on Cyan is again mainly a non-stance.
Here she challenges jordman to justify himself. ++ for jordman.
kpaca does a PBPA on AK and votes for her. ++ for Red 0 (not that I think he needs much more ++ at this point. Only really strong scum are going to be capable of that kind of distancing on Day 1 with other viable targets).
Note: TB (aka: Silent Prophet) defends AK Here. And it's the "noob" defense, which is a terrible defense. My experience with TB suggests that he's the type who is much more likely to defend his scum-buddy rather than wagon them. -- points for SP.
Not getting much more from AK's posts. Conclusions:
People she talked about that makes me feel they are more likely to NOT be on her team:
Calvin
kpaca (Red 0)
(jordman (me))
People she talked about that makes me think it's MORE likely they are on her team:
No one really.
People she talked about that leave me with a neutral feeling:
Cyan
MX
People she didn't talk about:
TB (SP)
Technolink
People who look worse for having defended AK:
TB (SP)
I'll do AI next.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I linked to the wrong post for my PBPA of AK. You should scroll down to the second post which has the completed thoughts.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
MX's PBPA of AK HERE is obviously ++ points for MX.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The first thing I note about AI is that he false name-claimed. Presumably he did this because he was afraid to claim his actual role name, because he thought that claiming such would make people think he was scum. Guardman also false name-claimed. In point of fact, all the revealed roles have played more of less according to their alignments in the films:
Infinis - Dr. Marcus Brody, Vanilla Town. - GOOD GUY
Asian Invasion r. Archon Kamigawa - Major Arnold Toht, Mafia Redirector. - BAD GUY
Wrath_of_DoG - Kazim, Vanilla Townie. - GOOD GUY
Cantripmancer - Willie Scott, Vanilla Town. - GOOD GUY
Guardman - Dr. René Belloq, Serial Killer. - BAD GUY
I also know (but you don't) that I'm Short Round, who was a GOOD GUY, and I'm Town. That's 1/2 the roles in the game right there. The remaining claims are a bit more problematical, however:
Silent Prophet - Walter Donovan - BAD GUY
Calvin - Mola Ram - BAD GUY
Cyan - Dr. Ella Schneider - Doc - Was a BAD GUY, who sort of turned into a GOOD GUY at the end.
-incidentally, the correct name is "Elsa" Schneider, not "Ella" Schneider.
red_0mega - Indiana Jones - Vig - GOOD GUY (obv.)
TeknoLink - Marion Ravenwood - Cop - GOOD GUY
MandersHex - Hermann Dietrich - BAD GUY
Clearly there are not 3-4 more scum left in this game. I'm hoping that it's only one more scum, though it might be two. This means that there are "Town" members who have scummy names. But the scum still felt the need to false-claim. That suggests they didn't know (at least until more names came out) that it was safe to claim their actual role-names.
That means that the order people claimed their role-names might actually be relevant. Scum would not have wanted to be the first one to claim a BAD GUY name without knowing that there were definitely BAD GUY Townies.
I guess Cyan claimed first out of all of these. So that looks good for him. After seeing Cyan's claim, it might have made the remaining scum less fearful about claiming their true role-names, so there's maybe less to gain, but because Cyan's character was, in fact, somewhat ambiguous in terms of GOOD/BAD, I think the scum would still have been worried.
MX was the next to claim, and the first full out "BAD GUY" if you will. I'll give her some points for that as well. I think that any scum seeing this, at that point, would probably not have been afraid to just say their actual name (rather than lie and possibly claim a role someone else already had).
In any event, the order after that went:
Silent Prophet (who made like he didn't know his character might be bad)
Axelrod
Calvin
Now, there's also obviously the possibility that Kraj went against the grain and made an actual GOOD GUY scum in this game. But my gut, as well as all the currently revealed roles, is making me doubt that. I think our last 1-2 scum are, in fact, in those "BAD GUY" roles listed above. That, or someone who has claimed a GOOD GUY role isn't really a GOOD GUY, but is currently false-claiming.
I'm not sure this is actually helpful, but there is it. Continuing on with looking at AI's other posts next.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
AI spent his first few posts explaining his ability claim and how it worked. In this post, he does make a somewhat interesting observation, where he says:
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Only scum would benefit from us passing such an item to a confirmed townie, since the scum can kill that townie and take the item.
This is maybe significant because of what we know happened in the Night. Someone re-directed MX to Calvin (which then went to Cantripmancer because of my Bus Driving). Taking AI at his word here, the scum might have thought they would benefit by getting MX's item into the hands of the most "confirmed" player (not that Calvin was confirmed, but I think several people had said they thought he was town). This might speak well for Calvin now.
AI then spent a lot of his remaining time attacking Guardman and Infinis. Which doesn't tell us very much. Contained within his PBPA of Guardman, however, are some remarks about other players. Such as:
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Teknolink's "case" against jordman was not actually that good. jordman's behavior is erratic, but it's pretty obvious that his motivations are town based on the simple fact that unlike many players at that point in the game, he was actually doing some semblance of scum-hunting.
I don't like how Toastboy makes a comment regarding how cautious Guardman is or isn't with his vote. It feels like coaching.
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A couple other players (Cantripmancer, Calvin) add that if there is a doc besides Cyan, that player needs to speak up immediately. I like those posts. The fact that no one spoke up makes me pretty confident that Cyan is town.
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At this point Guardman's insistence on defending kpaca is getting tiresome. See LotR II Mafia for a similar example of scum (ZDS) defending a town PR (Some One) and getting town (Dagger) mislynched. And yes, I think kpaca is a town PR, though if he survives to the endgame he's probably scum.
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Calvin is town. Any arguments to the contrary are bad given the circumstances.
Later he says:
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jordman was painfully town and Axelrod has not done anything for me to believe otherwise.
I think AI is a better scum player than AK, so you have to be much more careful about making any kind of definitive statements about posts like these, but in general my feelings are that scum are less likely, especially in the early going, to make strong statements that their scumbuddies are obviously town. Because they aren't, and you potentially look stupid when you have called someone obv. town and they flip scum. Most people don't want to look stupid. Scum have incentive to be right and look helpful, and not wrong and dumb.
That said, it would probably be worth going back over the early part of LotR Mafia to see how AI addressed his scumbuddies in that game.
People AI called confidently town:
Calvin
Cyan
jordman
People AI said he thought were town currently, but could change opinion on:
kpaca
People AI expressed some suspicions of:
Technolink
TB
People AI didn't really talk about much:
MX
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
People she talked about that makes me feel they are more likely to NOT be on her team:
Calvin
kpaca (Red 0)
(jordman (me))
People she talked about that makes me think it's MORE likely they are on her team:
No one really.
People she talked about that leave me with a neutral feeling:
Cyan
MX
People she didn't talk about:
TB (SP)
Technolink
People who look worse for having defended AK:
TB (SP)
I'll do AI next.
For the most part I agree with this but as I said before, kpaca's interactions with her did not impress me. He was on her the whole time but then didn't vig her?
I guess Cyan claimed first out of all of these. So that looks good for him. After seeing Cyan's claim, it might have made the remaining scum less fearful about claiming their true role-names, so there's maybe less to gain, but because Cyan's character was, in fact, somewhat ambiguous in terms of GOOD/BAD, I think the scum would still have been worried.
This point is further backed by the fact that scum-AI had prior knowledge of Cyan's name and still decided to false-claim. If Cyan and AI were scum together I would highly doubt that Cyan would feel comfortable claiming a bad character given his knowledge of his scumbuddies role, so my take from this is that Cyan is town and yet even after seeing Cyan's role AI was still too scared and falseclaimed.
MX was the next to claim, and the first full out "BAD GUY" if you will. I'll give her some points for that as well. I think that any scum seeing this, at that point, would probably not have been afraid to just say their actual name (rather than lie and possibly claim a role someone else already had).
Perhaps but there is some WIFOM involved here.
In any event, the order after that went:
Silent Prophet (who made like he didn't know his character might be bad)
This comment made me wonder if TB may have said anything that implied the good/evil nature of his charachter so I went to check and see if I could something. I skimmed through his posts and didn't find anything but this caught my attention:
My country of origin isn't even mentioned in my PM. I highly doubt it will be helpful.
Perhaps the quote that MH mentioned was just TB phrasing things badly and he only ever meant that his country of origin wasn't mentioned in his PM?
Regardless, it doesn't make the situation any better given SP's reaction (or lack thereof) to this comment.
I like these analyst post of yours Axelrod and hope you can bump a few more out before the deadline. As it stands right now, things look to be pointing in SP's direction.
SP was reading the thread earlier, but didn't post. It feels like he has just given up/is avoiding the thread, honestly. Considering how much conversation has revolved around him lately, it seems like he would have *something* to say.
Thank you Calvin, for finally showing me what I was 'ignoring'.
However, what am I supposed to say about it? The role PM doesn't have the country of origin, so he wasn't lying. I don't know how toastboy thinks, so I don't know why he wouldn't check the wiki to actually find it.
The flavor of my role PM is that I'm not a villain, per se; I just know what I want and am content when I get it.
If a lynch of me would help the town, go for it. I don't see red_0mega being town, so hopefully ya'll take care of him tomorrow.
Tonight:
Axelrod can't do anything.
R0 shoots at MH
TeknoLink investigates R0
Cyan protects TeknoLink
And if the game is not over/TeknoLink doesn't find scum, we move from there, my preference being to lynch Axelrod the next day.
Sound good?
I don't like that he proposed this plan, but didn't vote for SP. He wasn't in any danger of being lynched (only had one vote on him at the time). It feels wrong.
Calvin, why did you propose this plan without voting for him?
Yeah, it's probably time to take a real close look at Toastboy's and SP's posts. I remember not caring for TB all that much when I first replaced in. SP just hasn't stood out one way or the other.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
If a lynch of me would help the town, go for it. I don't see red_0mega being town, so hopefully ya'll take care of him tomorrow.
I do not like how apathetic he is about his lynch. If he is town, there is absolutely no way it will help us.
If you do not want to defend yourself, that is one thing, but why would you not disagree at all with your own lynch?
Is he at L-1? Kraj, can we get a vote count please?
I looked yesterday, and SP is, in fact, at L-1. I'm pretty confident that he is the last scum, and ready to lynch him whenever, but we still have a few days before the deadline, and can discuss whatever just in case the game doesn't end w/ SP being lynched.
I agree with RO's last post, also. SP's post seems like complete defeatism, which I have never found to be a pro-town sentiment.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It'd be nice if the last scum would concede, but I don't think that's going to happen.
I'm soooo ready to end the game or go to Day 4, whichever happens.
I have to say, the early look at TB's posts doesn't do anything to make me think he's town. He was constantly defending AK/SP and trying to argue she was newb and people basically shouldn't hold her posts against her. He did this at least 4 times.
Oddly, he was pushing hardest against Calvin, which literally no one else was doing. I think most people were feeling perfectly fine about him, but TB was all suspicious like and "this isn't how you played in that other game and etc, etc, etc." This is only going to be relevant if TB/SP flips scum but the game does not end. If TB/SP is town, it's pretty much meaningless. I mean, it's his opinion, but I have no reason to follow his opinion more than anyone else's.
He managed to avoid giving much in the way of opinions about anyone who's still living, particularly who he thought might be scum. Said at various points he thought jordman was probably newb town (though he continued to question jordman like he was suspicious of him - Case in point may be THIS post where he called TL's vote on jordman "horrible", and at the very same time called out for jordman to answer someone else's questions), and Cyan was probably town (mostly because of the claim?). At one point said he was "leaning town" on MX.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Case in point may be THIS post where he called TL's vote on jordman "horrible", and at the very same time called out for jordman to answer someone else's questions), and Cyan was probably town (mostly because of the claim?). At one point said he was "leaning town" on MX.
All this stuff just leads me to believe (especially if he's scum) that the people you've mentioned (jordman (so you), Cyan, and myself) probably are town. (Of course, I know I'm town;))
His interaction with Calvin concerned me on day 1 (but we had bigger fish to fry, and he backed off eventually, iirc), but I'm not sure. If TB comes up scum and the day doesn't end, I don't know if that means Calvin is likely town or scum.
SP has basically said nothing since he replaced in. I understand his early absense was family related, but he still hasn't done anything since then, seems to understand he hasn't done anything, and seems perfectly okay with it.
His only stated opinion is that Red 0 is scum. He hasn't said why he believes this, just that he thinks he is. He also pseudo defended me when then was some movement towards lynching me early in the day today in order to get rid of this item. SP basically said that doesn't make sense to him.
I'm tired of waiting. This lynch is happening, so let's go.
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If he's town, then that's kind of bad. I'm not sure where I'd look first. I'd probably start to worry that one of our claimed Power roles is faking it. If he's scum, but the game isn't over, I'm probably most concerned about Calvin next, mainly because of how TB interacted with him. Hopefully this does not become an issue, but it's time to find out.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So, are we directing/recommending targets for red_0 and TeknoLink? imo, it'd be nice if we could investigate Calvin or Axel (or me if it'll make you guys feel better).
I don't know who to choose for the vig, though. Probably Calvin or myself since we're claimed vanilla.
As long as the town wins, I don't care what happens.
As long as the town wins, I don't care what happens.
My thoughts exactly.
I think directing red_0 is pointless, because he's stated numerous times that he'll target whoever he wants. If it were up to me, though, Red_0 would be the one investigated, and Red_0 would target Calvin.
Now ya;ll hurry up and get a gameplan together for what to do when I turn up town.
If SP flips Town, then I would probably rather Red 0 not shoot anyone at all. 7 people now, -Town SP = 6. Scum NK means 5 tomorrow if Red 0 doesn't shoot anyone. That's not lynch or lose if there's only 1 scum left, which I like. If Red 0 shoots, however, and kills a town, then it's 4 tomorrow and LoL. (or worse, we conceivably just lose immediately if there are still 2 Mafia now).
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Axel's analysis of AI/AK/etc makes RO look alot better, and I don't think that he needs to 'prove' his kill at this point, so, I think Axel's suggestion is a good one. RO should not fire.
In case I didn't mention it before, I'm currently out of town. So I'm not in the best position to write a fancy lynch scene, but I can keep the game moving forward.
Silent Prophet has been lynched. He was Walter Donovan, Vanilla Town.
It is now Night 3. Night will last until 11pm CST, Monday the 12th, or whenever all the night actions are in.
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And he's seeing a place. A market. It's hot a dusty. He recognizes this place, he's been here before. It's Cairo.
No, he hasn't just been there before, he's there now. Sitting with Belloq, getting angrier and angrier. Indy sees himself get up; he remembers wanting to kill Belloq for what he did to Marion. And then the bodyguards cocked their guns, and suddenly he's surrounded by children, and his friend Sallah. Somehow Sallah startles one of the bodyguards, or was it a itchy finger?, and gunfire blares. The children scatter, and Indy dives to ground. Seconds - years - later, he lifts his head to see he is a few inches from Sallah's bloodied chest. He's unharmed, but once again he's lost one of his best friends in the world. The grief is unbreable.
Swirls and clouds...
Wait no... it didn't happen that way, did it? Did something change?
Suddenly.
In the shop of the old Imam, who is examining the headpiece of Ra. Indy is learning the length to make the staff, and that Belloq's version is too short. He triumphantly tosses a date into his mouth and enjoys the sweet taste. A taste which turns bitter, and then dry and burning. He begins to cough and convulse. He understands... the date was poisoned... and here in Cairo, without any friend to help him, the chances of getting to a hospital in time are practially nil.
'So this is how it ends?' he thinks. Sent on a mission to find something that probably doesn't exist before the Nazi's do in case it turns out to be a divine weapon, only to cause the deaths of Marion and Sallah before himself being poisoned. Dad was right, after all...
A jarring flash rather than a swirling mist.
Not every day that a man sees his own death. Especially when it is in the past, and it didn't happen that way. But maybe somehow something changed. Maybe the moment he steps out of here he'll cease to exist at all.
'Well, I'm in no hurry to find out...'
red_0mega is dead. He was Indiana Jones, Town Vigilante.
It is now day 4. With 5 alive it is 3 to lynch.
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I will be posting a major re-read on Cyan. I know he's uncountered doc, but the statements from WoD and kpaca on day 1 are pinging in my head. Also, if iirc, he's just been coasting along since the claim.
Here's hoping Techno does not come back and say he investigated Red 0.
I may or may not still be in possession of the Holy Grail Item. I would welcome discussion about pros and cons of saying.
SP coming up town was a real bummer I don't mind saying.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I will be posting a major re-read on Cyan. I know he's uncountered doc, but the statements from WoD and kpaca on day 1 are pinging in my head. Also, if iirc, he's just been coasting along since the claim.
Maybe, but Red 0 being town is a big point in his favor. Like, who did Guardman try to kill on N2? We had this big plan for the 2 claimed vigs to shoot each other, Red 0 shot Guardman, but nobody else died. Then Cyan says he protected Red 0. If not that, then what?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
That's a pretty desperate statement, MH. Please consider the following.
If I were a scum RB, why would I take the risk of false-claiming Doc?
If I were a scum RB, why has no one been RBed the entire game?
If I were a scum RB, why would I ever stop the SK from killing the Vig? This question could probably extend to 'if I were scum period', considering that, as scum, having the SK and vig off each other would be a fantastic opportunity for me.
I was ready to lynch MH yesterday, until SP's scumminess was brought to light...by MH, IIRC. Her two posts today have more than renewed my suspicion of her.
That's a pretty desperate statement, MH. Please consider the following.
If I were a scum RB, why would I take the risk of false-claiming Doc?
If I were a scum RB, why has no one been RBed the entire game?
If I were a scum RB, why would I ever stop the SK from killing the Vig? This question could probably extend to 'if I were scum period', considering that, as scum, having the SK and vig off each other would be a fantastic opportunity for me.
I was ready to lynch MH yesterday, until SP's scumminess was brought to light...by MH, IIRC. Her two posts today have more than renewed my suspicion of her.
Pretty sure that MH is our last scum. Vote MH
Wow, I've never seen an OMGUS vote from Cyan. Let me answer your questions.
Because it's a false-claim that is popular with scum.
We do not know that is the case.
For exactly the reaction that it got: to "confirm" you.
Note that I was just expressing my thoughts in my first post, but you're overreation and OMGUS vote on me has me convinced that my gut telling me you're scum is probably right.
And, no one in this game can deny that Cyan has not been acting like Cyan, especially since his claim.
If he is the last scum, it's simple to explain. Cyan RB'd Guardman.
However, the fact that you didn't think of that makes me leery of you.
What?
You think Cyan is a scum RBer who has only blocked one person the whole game? And that person is not the Cop? But instead, was the SK who was very likely going to shoot someone townie for him?
Why should I have been thinking of that?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You should read up on what OMGUS means. I've been suspicious of you for days, renewing it today doesn't make it OMGUS. This reaction, by you, is OMGUS.
Because it's a false-claim that is popular with scum.
This isn't really that true. Maybe for newbs...maybe. Something else to consider. It is overwhelmingly likely that there are only 2 mafia in this game. Are you really arguing that I false-claimed anything there? And also, if I was false-claiming my role, I probably wouldn't have claimed Elsa Schneider.
Your attempt to smear me here is very transparent. I am the Doc, and that's it.
We do not know that is the case.
I'm pretty sure that we do, considering that no one has stated(nor even remotely hinted at) having been RBed for this entire game.
For exactly the reaction that it got: to "confirm" you.
Protecting RO did not lead anyone to view me as confirmed anymore than they already did, to my knowledge. Axel's statement about it today was practically the first thing anyone has said about it. Hell, Calvin scolded me for protecting RO!
And, no one in this game can deny that Cyan has not been acting like Cyan, especially since his claim.
Pretty sure that me 'not acting like myself' is why I was forced to claim in the first place, so your assessment that I've been 'behaving differently since claiming' is a complete fabrication.
You're pretty clearly just trying to get suspicion to stick anywhere you can. At the end of yesterday, you said that you were going to push on Calvin if SP flipped town. Then today he tried to smear me, then tried to smear Axel as well.
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What was it?
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I see Calvin has a "plan" which I have no time to evaluate. If people go with this let me know if you want me to hold this item or pass it. Passing is probably my preferece.
I hope to be more functional in a couple of days.
So, 8 days left. What are we going to do guys? This game is dragging sooo badly.
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We should also consider the possibility (and I'm not sure why I'm just now thinking of this) that TL may be a scum-cop. Those exist, right? I'm pretty sure I've heard of them. Sorry, but I still just don't like your play, man.
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Not grasping for straws, my friend. Only considering every possibility. I've even considered Cyan may be a scum doc (fairly certain I've seen they exist before, somewhere) who protected red_0mega to confirm himself because he was pretty convinced Guardman was SK and red_0mega was telling the truth, which he could have a good idea of if he was scum. So, take no offense to me considering that possibility because it's not high on my list of most likely outcomes (nor is the Cyan scum-doc possibility).
My mind works in amazingly complex ways.
I agree that this day is really annoying. Axelrod being out is making it worse. If he is town, he's a very valuable town player, and I know we're suffering without him. *sigh*
I would still prefer to lynch Silent Prophet. Toastboy seemed off upon my re-read and SP has contributed nothing, making him seem off to me. In fact, I do not plan to move my vote from him for any reason. Therefore, if you want Axelrod lynched, you'll have to convince the rest of the people. My vote is not necessary for it to happen.
Plans:
Lynch Axelrod - TeknoLink, red_0mega (I think)
Lynch Silent Prophet - Calvin, MandersHex
red_0mega, please advise if I'm wrong on that.
Cyan, Axelrod, and Silent Prophet, (mostly Cyan since he's not involved in either plan) please advise us what you think of these plans and which you prefer OR propose another plan.
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And then there is SP. TB didn't have any particularly strong posts; nor has SP. I still feel like the point that MH(I think it was MH) brought up against him was very strong..and is still unanswered.
As it stands, I still prefer lynching SP over Axelrod.
Again...what was it? Am I just not seeing something in plain sight?
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Well this is kind of irritating. I want MH shot at it because I am slightly worried that she may have been bluffing with her "lynch me" bit so as to skate by to the endgame. If you're going to insist on this then I would rather lynch Axelrod or MH and have you shoot SP so we can get the most potential bang for our buck.
Hope you feel better. You might as well pass it so we can get some addtional confirmation here.
How can you be 'missing' a point that you are definitely aware of since you commented on it?
If R0 is insisting on not shooting MH, then I would rather lynch either MH or Axelrod today and have R0 shoot at SP tonight. SP is currently my preference for dying first given the inconsitency in the claim but given R0's stance the alternatives would be better options.
Thoughts?
We really need to get moving and decide something already.
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Yes, there is.
After thinking things over, I am not sure that I feel good about lynching Axelrod (who I see as very town) just to get rid of the item. I am starting to think that we are getting distracted by them. The point of the game is not the items. It is, as always, to kill the scum. The items have not (as far as I can tell) helped them out very much so far, so I see no real need to be so worried about it at this point.
I feel much better about Vote: Silent Prophet
If we lynch him, I have no idea who to target tonight. If everyone (except herself obviously) wants me to kill MandersHex, then I suppose I should not be quite so stubborn about it. However, I would like to go on record one more time saying that I think it is a very bad idea.
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With the knowledge that AK/AI was Mafia, what can we learn from her/his posts? (just saw that AK was banned. That's too bad, I hope she gets some help)
AK didn't say a lot. I actually did a post on AK before we knew she was scum HERE (so YAY! I get to pat myself on the back for that one. Of course, I also did a post on WoD concluding he hadn't done anything to make me think he was town yet). But that post was looking at AK and trying to figure AK out. Now we look again, with knowledge of her alignment, and see if what she said cast new light on anyone else.
Her First post, where she votes Calvin and says "that is a weird item," leans slightly in Calvin's favor. I don't think she'd say that in that way if they were scumbuddies and she knew that he had such an item or she knew he was making it up.
Then there was This post, where she actually asked a 1/2 way decent question. Calvin originally said he had an item that makes someone investigate "opposite" and AK wonders what if someone was "Neutral?" This is actually more relevant now that we know there was an SK in this game. What would the SK investigate as with this item?
@ Technolink: Have you ever said what form your investigations come it? Do you get "Innocent/Guilty" Or "Town/Scum" or something like that?
In any event, it still weighs in Calvin's favor somewhat, as it's less likely she'd be questioning the claim of a teammate.
Then there was This post, in which AK doesn't say much except that she doesn't like a post of jordman's (aka: me) If I were unbiased, I'd say that looks a little bit good for jordman there.
Here kpaca (aka: red Omega) attacks AK because she smeared jordman without voting for him. That's minor ++ points for Red O. A reasonably clever scum-buddy could make a post like that, however, so it's certainly not definitive.
This post has a bit more in it. The non-point about Cyan says nothing one way or the other. The repeated references to kpaca as "rude" again seem to weigh in Red 0's favor now. And again, unbiasedly, I'd say the part where she says "jordman seems really scummy, but I sense some kind of plot here" would normally weigh in jordman's favor now. The only person she says she thinks is town is MK (who I think most people were feeling as town). If MX were scum, that would be an easy post to make. Same if MX is town, so it probably doesn't signify much one way of the other.
Here's another non-point about Cyan. Again, it doesn't really signify much atm, but too much of that type of thing (referencing a player without giving an opinion on them) tends to make me more suspicious.
I do like Cyan's reply to AK Here though.
Then comes her "analysis" of kpaca and Cyan Here. What I get from this is mainly that she's not scum-buddies with kpaca (aka: Red 0). Her stance on Cyan is again mainly a non-stance.
Here she challenges jordman to justify himself. ++ for jordman.
kpaca does a PBPA on AK and votes for her. ++ for Red 0 (not that I think he needs much more ++ at this point. Only really strong scum are going to be capable of that kind of distancing on Day 1 with other viable targets).
Note: TB (aka: Silent Prophet) defends AK Here. And it's the "noob" defense, which is a terrible defense. My experience with TB suggests that he's the type who is much more likely to defend his scum-buddy rather than wagon them. -- points for SP.
Not getting much more from AK's posts. Conclusions:
People she talked about that makes me feel they are more likely to NOT be on her team:
Calvin
kpaca (Red 0)
(jordman (me))
People she talked about that makes me think it's MORE likely they are on her team:
No one really.
People she talked about that leave me with a neutral feeling:
Cyan
MX
People she didn't talk about:
TB (SP)
Technolink
People who look worse for having defended AK:
TB (SP)
I'll do AI next.
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Infinis - Dr. Marcus Brody, Vanilla Town. - GOOD GUY
Asian Invasion r. Archon Kamigawa - Major Arnold Toht, Mafia Redirector. - BAD GUY
Wrath_of_DoG - Kazim, Vanilla Townie. - GOOD GUY
Cantripmancer - Willie Scott, Vanilla Town. - GOOD GUY
Guardman - Dr. René Belloq, Serial Killer. - BAD GUY
I also know (but you don't) that I'm Short Round, who was a GOOD GUY, and I'm Town. That's 1/2 the roles in the game right there. The remaining claims are a bit more problematical, however:
Silent Prophet - Walter Donovan - BAD GUY
Calvin - Mola Ram - BAD GUY
Cyan - Dr. Ella Schneider - Doc - Was a BAD GUY, who sort of turned into a GOOD GUY at the end.
-incidentally, the correct name is "Elsa" Schneider, not "Ella" Schneider.
red_0mega - Indiana Jones - Vig - GOOD GUY (obv.)
TeknoLink - Marion Ravenwood - Cop - GOOD GUY
MandersHex - Hermann Dietrich - BAD GUY
Clearly there are not 3-4 more scum left in this game. I'm hoping that it's only one more scum, though it might be two. This means that there are "Town" members who have scummy names. But the scum still felt the need to false-claim. That suggests they didn't know (at least until more names came out) that it was safe to claim their actual role-names.
That means that the order people claimed their role-names might actually be relevant. Scum would not have wanted to be the first one to claim a BAD GUY name without knowing that there were definitely BAD GUY Townies.
I guess Cyan claimed first out of all of these. So that looks good for him. After seeing Cyan's claim, it might have made the remaining scum less fearful about claiming their true role-names, so there's maybe less to gain, but because Cyan's character was, in fact, somewhat ambiguous in terms of GOOD/BAD, I think the scum would still have been worried.
MX was the next to claim, and the first full out "BAD GUY" if you will. I'll give her some points for that as well. I think that any scum seeing this, at that point, would probably not have been afraid to just say their actual name (rather than lie and possibly claim a role someone else already had).
In any event, the order after that went:
Silent Prophet (who made like he didn't know his character might be bad)
Axelrod
Calvin
Now, there's also obviously the possibility that Kraj went against the grain and made an actual GOOD GUY scum in this game. But my gut, as well as all the currently revealed roles, is making me doubt that. I think our last 1-2 scum are, in fact, in those "BAD GUY" roles listed above. That, or someone who has claimed a GOOD GUY role isn't really a GOOD GUY, but is currently false-claiming.
I'm not sure this is actually helpful, but there is it. Continuing on with looking at AI's other posts next.
This is maybe significant because of what we know happened in the Night. Someone re-directed MX to Calvin (which then went to Cantripmancer because of my Bus Driving). Taking AI at his word here, the scum might have thought they would benefit by getting MX's item into the hands of the most "confirmed" player (not that Calvin was confirmed, but I think several people had said they thought he was town). This might speak well for Calvin now.
AI then spent a lot of his remaining time attacking Guardman and Infinis. Which doesn't tell us very much. Contained within his PBPA of Guardman, however, are some remarks about other players. Such as:
and
and
and
Later he says:
I think AI is a better scum player than AK, so you have to be much more careful about making any kind of definitive statements about posts like these, but in general my feelings are that scum are less likely, especially in the early going, to make strong statements that their scumbuddies are obviously town. Because they aren't, and you potentially look stupid when you have called someone obv. town and they flip scum. Most people don't want to look stupid. Scum have incentive to be right and look helpful, and not wrong and dumb.
That said, it would probably be worth going back over the early part of LotR Mafia to see how AI addressed his scumbuddies in that game.
People AI called confidently town:
Calvin
Cyan
jordman
People AI said he thought were town currently, but could change opinion on:
kpaca
People AI expressed some suspicions of:
Technolink
TB
People AI didn't really talk about much:
MX
For the most part I agree with this but as I said before, kpaca's interactions with her did not impress me. He was on her the whole time but then didn't vig her?
This point is further backed by the fact that scum-AI had prior knowledge of Cyan's name and still decided to false-claim. If Cyan and AI were scum together I would highly doubt that Cyan would feel comfortable claiming a bad character given his knowledge of his scumbuddies role, so my take from this is that Cyan is town and yet even after seeing Cyan's role AI was still too scared and falseclaimed.
Perhaps but there is some WIFOM involved here.
This comment made me wonder if TB may have said anything that implied the good/evil nature of his charachter so I went to check and see if I could something. I skimmed through his posts and didn't find anything but this caught my attention:
Perhaps the quote that MH mentioned was just TB phrasing things badly and he only ever meant that his country of origin wasn't mentioned in his PM?
Regardless, it doesn't make the situation any better given SP's reaction (or lack thereof) to this comment.
I like these analyst post of yours Axelrod and hope you can bump a few more out before the deadline. As it stands right now, things look to be pointing in SP's direction.
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The Asphodel Meadows - Town-Win
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Because you don't seem interested in lynching me any longer.
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I'm ready to lynch SP whenever, but I guess there's no real hurry(other than the deadline being 6 days away).
However, what am I supposed to say about it? The role PM doesn't have the country of origin, so he wasn't lying. I don't know how toastboy thinks, so I don't know why he wouldn't check the wiki to actually find it.
The flavor of my role PM is that I'm not a villain, per se; I just know what I want and am content when I get it.
If a lynch of me would help the town, go for it. I don't see red_0mega being town, so hopefully ya'll take care of him tomorrow.
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I don't like that he proposed this plan, but didn't vote for SP. He wasn't in any danger of being lynched (only had one vote on him at the time). It feels wrong.
Calvin, why did you propose this plan without voting for him?
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I do not like how apathetic he is about his lynch. If he is town, there is absolutely no way it will help us.
If you do not want to defend yourself, that is one thing, but why would you not disagree at all with your own lynch?
Is he at L-1? Kraj, can we get a vote count please?
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I agree with RO's last post, also. SP's post seems like complete defeatism, which I have never found to be a pro-town sentiment.
Maybe?
I'm soooo ready to end the game or go to Day 4, whichever happens.
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Silent Prophet - 3 (MandersHex, red_0mega, TeknoLink)
Not Voting - 4 (Axelrod, Calvin, Cyan , Silent Prophet)
With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.
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Oddly, he was pushing hardest against Calvin, which literally no one else was doing. I think most people were feeling perfectly fine about him, but TB was all suspicious like and "this isn't how you played in that other game and etc, etc, etc." This is only going to be relevant if TB/SP flips scum but the game does not end. If TB/SP is town, it's pretty much meaningless. I mean, it's his opinion, but I have no reason to follow his opinion more than anyone else's.
He managed to avoid giving much in the way of opinions about anyone who's still living, particularly who he thought might be scum. Said at various points he thought jordman was probably newb town (though he continued to question jordman like he was suspicious of him - Case in point may be THIS post where he called TL's vote on jordman "horrible", and at the very same time called out for jordman to answer someone else's questions), and Cyan was probably town (mostly because of the claim?). At one point said he was "leaning town" on MX.
All this stuff just leads me to believe (especially if he's scum) that the people you've mentioned (jordman (so you), Cyan, and myself) probably are town. (Of course, I know I'm town;))
His interaction with Calvin concerned me on day 1 (but we had bigger fish to fry, and he backed off eventually, iirc), but I'm not sure. If TB comes up scum and the day doesn't end, I don't know if that means Calvin is likely town or scum.
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His only stated opinion is that Red 0 is scum. He hasn't said why he believes this, just that he thinks he is. He also pseudo defended me when then was some movement towards lynching me early in the day today in order to get rid of this item. SP basically said that doesn't make sense to him.
I'm tired of waiting. This lynch is happening, so let's go.
Vote: Silent Prophet
If he's town, then that's kind of bad. I'm not sure where I'd look first. I'd probably start to worry that one of our claimed Power roles is faking it. If he's scum, but the game isn't over, I'm probably most concerned about Calvin next, mainly because of how TB interacted with him. Hopefully this does not become an issue, but it's time to find out.
I don't know who to choose for the vig, though. Probably Calvin or myself since we're claimed vanilla.
As long as the town wins, I don't care what happens.
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My thoughts exactly.
I think directing red_0 is pointless, because he's stated numerous times that he'll target whoever he wants. If it were up to me, though, Red_0 would be the one investigated, and Red_0 would target Calvin.
Now ya;ll hurry up and get a gameplan together for what to do when I turn up town.
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Given that information, and the fact that he's not an experienced vig, I agree with you.
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Silent Prophet has been lynched. He was Walter Donovan, Vanilla Town.
It is now Night 3. Night will last until 11pm CST, Monday the 12th, or whenever all the night actions are in.
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And he's seeing a place. A market. It's hot a dusty. He recognizes this place, he's been here before. It's Cairo.
No, he hasn't just been there before, he's there now. Sitting with Belloq, getting angrier and angrier. Indy sees himself get up; he remembers wanting to kill Belloq for what he did to Marion. And then the bodyguards cocked their guns, and suddenly he's surrounded by children, and his friend Sallah. Somehow Sallah startles one of the bodyguards, or was it a itchy finger?, and gunfire blares. The children scatter, and Indy dives to ground. Seconds - years - later, he lifts his head to see he is a few inches from Sallah's bloodied chest. He's unharmed, but once again he's lost one of his best friends in the world. The grief is unbreable.
Swirls and clouds...
Wait no... it didn't happen that way, did it? Did something change?
Suddenly.
In the shop of the old Imam, who is examining the headpiece of Ra. Indy is learning the length to make the staff, and that Belloq's version is too short. He triumphantly tosses a date into his mouth and enjoys the sweet taste. A taste which turns bitter, and then dry and burning. He begins to cough and convulse. He understands... the date was poisoned... and here in Cairo, without any friend to help him, the chances of getting to a hospital in time are practially nil.
'So this is how it ends?' he thinks. Sent on a mission to find something that probably doesn't exist before the Nazi's do in case it turns out to be a divine weapon, only to cause the deaths of Marion and Sallah before himself being poisoned. Dad was right, after all...
A jarring flash rather than a swirling mist.
Not every day that a man sees his own death. Especially when it is in the past, and it didn't happen that way. But maybe somehow something changed. Maybe the moment he steps out of here he'll cease to exist at all.
'Well, I'm in no hurry to find out...'
red_0mega is dead. He was Indiana Jones, Town Vigilante.
It is now day 4. With 5 alive it is 3 to lynch.
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I will be posting a major re-read on Cyan. I know he's uncountered doc, but the statements from WoD and kpaca on day 1 are pinging in my head. Also, if iirc, he's just been coasting along since the claim.
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I may or may not still be in possession of the Holy Grail Item. I would welcome discussion about pros and cons of saying.
SP coming up town was a real bummer I don't mind saying.
Do you guys realize that scum did not make one kill all game until today? I have no idea what this means, but it is now pretty much confirmed.
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Maybe, but Red 0 being town is a big point in his favor. Like, who did Guardman try to kill on N2? We had this big plan for the 2 claimed vigs to shoot each other, Red 0 shot Guardman, but nobody else died. Then Cyan says he protected Red 0. If not that, then what?
However, the fact that you didn't think of that makes me leery of you.
Oh, I'm admittedly sooo paranoid today because I do not want to lose this game after everything! Expect my voting to be very careful.
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If I were a scum RB, why would I take the risk of false-claiming Doc?
If I were a scum RB, why has no one been RBed the entire game?
If I were a scum RB, why would I ever stop the SK from killing the Vig? This question could probably extend to 'if I were scum period', considering that, as scum, having the SK and vig off each other would be a fantastic opportunity for me.
I was ready to lynch MH yesterday, until SP's scumminess was brought to light...by MH, IIRC. Her two posts today have more than renewed my suspicion of her.
Pretty sure that MH is our last scum. Vote MH
Wow, I've never seen an OMGUS vote from Cyan. Let me answer your questions.
Because it's a false-claim that is popular with scum.
We do not know that is the case.
For exactly the reaction that it got: to "confirm" you.
Note that I was just expressing my thoughts in my first post, but you're overreation and OMGUS vote on me has me convinced that my gut telling me you're scum is probably right.
And, no one in this game can deny that Cyan has not been acting like Cyan, especially since his claim.
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What?
You think Cyan is a scum RBer who has only blocked one person the whole game? And that person is not the Cop? But instead, was the SK who was very likely going to shoot someone townie for him?
Why should I have been thinking of that?
This isn't really that true. Maybe for newbs...maybe. Something else to consider. It is overwhelmingly likely that there are only 2 mafia in this game. Are you really arguing that I false-claimed anything there? And also, if I was false-claiming my role, I probably wouldn't have claimed Elsa Schneider.
Your attempt to smear me here is very transparent. I am the Doc, and that's it.
I'm pretty sure that we do, considering that no one has stated(nor even remotely hinted at) having been RBed for this entire game.
Protecting RO did not lead anyone to view me as confirmed anymore than they already did, to my knowledge. Axel's statement about it today was practically the first thing anyone has said about it. Hell, Calvin scolded me for protecting RO!
Pretty sure that me 'not acting like myself' is why I was forced to claim in the first place, so your assessment that I've been 'behaving differently since claiming' is a complete fabrication.
You're pretty clearly just trying to get suspicion to stick anywhere you can. At the end of yesterday, you said that you were going to push on Calvin if SP flipped town. Then today he tried to smear me, then tried to smear Axel as well.