Why do you not want to vote for someone you think scum?
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Flew, would you be so kind as to humour me, and vote for me in your next post?
Much obliged.
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Why do you not want to vote for someone you think scum?
Why would I always vote for someone I think scum? What if I want to see what happens aside of it? What if I want to read further before doing so? What if... And so on.
Flew, would you be so kind as to humour me, and vote for me in your next post?
Much obliged.
If the question is : "Does your role make you unable to vote.", the answer is no. Vote : Zchinque to prove it (And I will unvote in my next post.)
a) Why two different responses for the same question?
b) Do you or do you not think that AI is scum?
Ced asked me why I did not vote after making a case (Actually I do so more often than you seem to think.) and I answered that I didn't want to vote. Zchinque analysed the words and found out that I was straight in saying AI scum, although I should have said scummy. (Which answers to your b) .)
If the question is : "Does your role make you unable to vote.", the answer is no. Vote : Zchinque to prove it (And I will unvote in my next post.)
That was what I was curious about, yes.
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I think SB is lying about being Gold. I think AE is actually the gold goo. Looky right here:
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Vote for Vigging: Stormblind. I call Cult-like role. I call anti-town. I no-trust him.
Quite hasty. Seeing how theres an easy solution. You come across as his competitor.
Doesn't want his cult leader dead.
Thats the thing. It will be a waiting game but its better to have a pool of players for him to choose from that are volunteers. At least we have some grounds to play from. I don't elect to kill him off as like the claiming of miller you have to take the wait and see approach.
Doesn't want his scumbuddies dying.
Vig Kpaca
Elected to Vig kpaca over Rahl for some reason.
Kpaca also wanted Rahl dead, so this is deflection.
This is an interesting theory. Anyways, I agree with Loran's plan to cordinate the systematic targeting. I'd like to be targeted at night.
I think SB is lying about being Gold. I think AE is actually the gold goo. Looky right here:
Not that I mind pressure on AE, but how is this supposed to make sense? Why would SB claim his cult leader's (as AE would be under your scenario) colour?
Doesn't want his cult leader dead.
How would AE be his cult leader? There was no N0, so are you speculating on a day cult?
Doesn't want his scumbuddies dying.
Have you taken kpaca into consideration when making up this wild theory? Are you suggesting two cults? Or did SB, the cultleader, by chance nail another neutrals win con?
Elected to Vig kpaca over Rahl for some reason.
Kpaca also wanted Rahl dead, so this is deflection.
You'er aware that kpaca claimed no use for town, while SB claimed potential use for town. Quite a few want kpaca vigged first, probably because of that.
And you're also aware that it can only be construed as deflection under this very narrow and improbable scenario?
This is an interesting theory.
Yes, interesting in the same way that Loran's scum gambit theory was interesting.
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TACKY made very bad responses. I think having jobo in games helps me focus. unvote
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Your vote was already on TACKY. There was a vote count less than ten posts back. Pay attention?
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Waiting to catch up, although i dont really see a point as the player base wont trust me, nor will they listen. so... imma sit here like a patient pile of goo until night 1 i guess, when i prove that i do what i say i do.
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I'm not sure what it is, but it feels like this is happening in many of the games I've been in lately..we're 320 posts into Day 1 and I feel like there is pretty much nothing to talk about. I think that maybe some of the new players are making too many fluff/content-lacking posts or something.
I really don't like anything I've heard out of vezok, but, that seems to be the case in other games that we're both in, so I'm not sure how relevant it is.
I was not saying that AE was the cult leader, but a cultist.
I am going to push a massclaim now. I believe that my ability is not hurt significantly by being out-ed and actually becomes much better when the town can cordinate.
I am going to push a massclaim now. I believe that my ability is not hurt significantly by being out-ed and actually becomes much better when the town can cordinate.
What kind of massclaim? Color? Full everything? What?
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I was not saying that AE was the cult leader, but a cultist.
Okay, my mistake. I misread.
But you failed to respond to any of my other points. In particular, where does kpaca fit into this theory?
I am going to push a massclaim now. I believe that my ability is not hurt significantly by being out-ed and actually becomes much better when the town can cordinate.
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See this is what I thought Loran suggested. This is horrible. Why on Earth would we want to reveal everything to the scum? Vote Jobo
Cult = non-town = scum.
Because if we revealed everything we would be able to coordinate with an this "targeting" mechanic to make it useful. If we all get powered up by being targeted X times then being able to do so would make the town a lot stronger, and if a scum member secretly didn't do as told it would be easy to recognize.
Your first post with anything in it on coming in starts with a statement of accusation: "I think SB is lying about being Gold. I think AE is actually the gold goo".
Then you proceed to pull out a bunch of quotes of AE that, quite frankly, he could certainly make as any alignment (at least, the suggestions are). But said quotes just happen to, amongst all the other possible reasons for AE making them, happen to just about fit if AE and SB are some cult who weirdly think that it is a remotely good idea to out themselves day one, then tie themselves together.
Therefore, I am deeply unconvinced by your theory.
This makes sense.
No, that's not the problem. We'll almost certainly have enough night actions to activate several people (though I obviously can't give a number for sure). But, it's odds-on that a bunch of others will not be doing anything, despite having the potential to do so. If said players remain hidden, then that's fine, because then there's the possibility that they have effects to use despite not being targeted, and hence might be up to things for all the scum know.
But if they're outed, then they sit around being known "vanillas", despite not actually being vanilla.
Obviously it's a terrible idea. But he explained his thought pattern, which makes some degree of pro-town sense.
Unlike you wanting to lynch a neutral.
Spiteful posts like that..are also scummy. Just FYI.
Anyone other than Cyan who only locks onto one player at a time until they're lynched? Hows that for spiteful?
Yeah lets put all our cards on the table for the scum to pick through. No degree of pro-town what so ever there, which ever way you spin it.
Speaking of pro-town, you haven't actually been that helpful to the town at all. Your just snaking your way through the thread waiting for wagons to pop up. And defending Jobo here, Starting to see a connection. FOS
Anyone other than Cyan who only locks onto one player at a time until they're lynched? Hows that for spiteful?
Yeah lets put all our cards on the table for the scum to pick through. No degree of pro-town what so ever there, which ever way you spin it.
Speaking of pro-town, you haven't actually been that helpful to the town at all. Your just snaking your way through the thread waiting for wagons to pop up. And defending Jobo here, Starting to see a connection. FOS
Why are you using personal attacks?
And look and Josh Whedon, where it worked wonderfully.
And I'd like everyone to notice that you FOS cyan as soon as he said anything contrary to you. Not pro-town thinking. FOS.
And I'd like everyone to notice that you FOS cyan as soon as he said anything contrary to you. Not pro-town thinking. FOS.
It's not a personal attack, it's the truth.
See what I said above? That means its not the first time he's been negative toward me. So take your not pro-town and stick it. Full claim day one is not pro town, sorry.
See what I said above? That means its not the first time he's been negative toward me. So take your not pro-town and stick it. Full claim day one is not pro town, sorry.
Obviously in Josh Whedon where it caused the town to win it was.
My vote is still on Loran but yes its an option. No harm to the town. Are you implying with that question that it would be a bad idea? Claimed neutral does not mean pro town and could very well be anti town.
Simple fact that towns don't lynch neutrals as they win with whoever is left. So maybe he knew the town wouldn't lynch SB.
I'm just going on when I was a neutral with an alternate win con.
Lets game the mod and theorize for a moment. What if SB can only target townies and Kpaca non townies? SB pointing out the evil part.
OK fine. Let them be, leave them at the vigs discretion.
You flip/flop a lot on the neutrals issue. Before you say that we should lynch and vig.
On the neutrals. In Cyans Sword of Truth I was part of a 3 man neutral team that screwed the town and won the game. Don't think this is a scum gambit but could be a way for them to win the game. Simple solution would be a lynch and vig. Clearly not risking taking out a townie so no harm to us.
Simple fact that towns don't lynch neutrals as they win with whoever is left. So maybe he knew the town wouldn't lynch SB.
so simple fact that towns don't lynch neutrals, but you really wanted to do that. Combined with your fit of anger, I'd say you really don't like the position you've put yourself in.
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Win Condition: Eliminate The Goo Mafia Collective.
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Now, I'm not all that experienced with gleaning information from the wording of win conditions, but does anyone else read that as implying or suggesting that there are no neutrals that can't win along with the town (in other words, no SK or cult)?
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I'm not going to get involved in the mass-claim discussion, as I feel I've already said my piece.
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You flip/flop a lot on the neutrals issue. Before you say that we should lynch and vig.
I didn't flip flop. Where do you get that? That 1st quote talks about them being non pro town. The 2nd talks about killing them off. What are you talking about?
so simple fact that towns don't lynch neutrals, but you really wanted to do that.
Yeah, in the game I was in they had the chance to lynch me but they didn't because I was just a neutral. They lost and my 3 man neutral team won.
Obviously there are games where a full-claim breaks the setup. Sometimes in favor of the town, sometimes in favor of the scum.
When you have no information to the contrary, however, you assume that a mass-claim will be more detrimental than not.
In a Specialty, where the Mods go out of their way to make roles complicated etc, you definitely assume that a mass-claim will do more harm than good. I honestly can't remember the last specialty where a mass claim would have benefited the town.
Eh... No real use spending too much energy on this now. If kpaca or SB turn up dead tomorrow morning we should be able to assess the situation better.
But as long as we're speculating wildly
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Now, I'm not all that experienced with gleaning information from the wording of win conditions, but does anyone else read that as implying or suggesting that there are no neutrals that can't win along with the town (in other words, no SK or cult)?
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I'm not going to get involved in the mass-claim discussion, as I feel I've already said my piece.
You should really not game the mod. Like this is dangerous discussion, stop it.
Unvote, Vote: Archmage Eternal. Responses aren't good at all.
I didn't flip flop. Where do you get that? That 1st quote talks about them being non pro town. The 2nd talks about killing them off. What are you talking about?
Yeah, in the game I was in they had the chance to lynch me but they didn't because I was just a neutral. They lost and my 3 man neutral team won.
What you were doing was using an unusual situation to try and convince people that we should still lynch them, while you know that normal procedure is directly opposite of that? That's how you're being flip/floppy.
You should really not game the mod. Like this is dangerous discussion, stop it.
Meh, I see no danger in just throwing idea out there, as long as we don't let it influence any decisions, which I am not advocating.
I'm just referencing publicly available information, and asking for input on how strictly people would normally interpret a wincon. If people consider it dangerous, don't comment, and I shan't bring it up again.
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Why do you not want to vote for someone you think scum?
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a) Why two different responses for the same question?
b) Do you or do you not think that AI is scum?
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I am not a machine.
If the question is : "Does your role make you unable to vote.", the answer is no. Vote : Zchinque to prove it (And I will unvote in my next post.)
Ced asked me why I did not vote after making a case (Actually I do so more often than you seem to think.) and I answered that I didn't want to vote. Zchinque analysed the words and found out that I was straight in saying AI scum, although I should have said scummy. (Which answers to your b) .)
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
That was what I was curious about, yes.
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Doesn't want his cult leader dead.
Doesn't want his scumbuddies dying.
Elected to Vig kpaca over Rahl for some reason.
Kpaca also wanted Rahl dead, so this is deflection.
This is an interesting theory. Anyways, I agree with Loran's plan to cordinate the systematic targeting. I'd like to be targeted at night.
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I think Joboman's theory is unlikely and comes from paranoia.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
It doesn't mean AE is likely to be town. Just that I don't think him to be cult leader.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Not that I mind pressure on AE, but how is this supposed to make sense? Why would SB claim his cult leader's (as AE would be under your scenario) colour?
How would AE be his cult leader? There was no N0, so are you speculating on a day cult?
Have you taken kpaca into consideration when making up this wild theory? Are you suggesting two cults? Or did SB, the cultleader, by chance nail another neutrals win con?
You'er aware that kpaca claimed no use for town, while SB claimed potential use for town. Quite a few want kpaca vigged first, probably because of that.
And you're also aware that it can only be construed as deflection under this very narrow and improbable scenario?
Yes, interesting in the same way that Loran's scum gambit theory was interesting.
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You were already voting TACKY... why do you think his responses were so bad?
Your vote was already on TACKY. There was a vote count less than ten posts back. Pay attention?
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lolol joboman keeps replacing into games that I'm in!
Well, he keeps the game interesting o.0
And that cult theory is pretty wild, I think that StormBlind and kpaca are probably telling the truth (at least mostly).
Quick question: why does everyone keep calling StormBlind Rahl?
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I really don't like anything I've heard out of vezok, but, that seems to be the case in other games that we're both in, so I'm not sure how relevant it is.
I am going to push a massclaim now. I believe that my ability is not hurt significantly by being out-ed and actually becomes much better when the town can cordinate.
Who is for/against this?
Yay: 1
Joboman
Nay: 0
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Against.
Didn't we already agree that loran's plan was bad? What makes this one better?
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What kind of massclaim? Color? Full everything? What?
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A full-on massclaim. Claiming color really won't help anything since the colors are fully randomized.
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Okay, my mistake. I misread.
But you failed to respond to any of my other points. In particular, where does kpaca fit into this theory?
Against.
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I believe there to be 2 cults. It's not impossible, really.
oh, and I'm getting a strong gut town tell from Zchnique.
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Which is it? Cult or scum?
See this is what I thought Loran suggested. This is horrible. Why on Earth would we want to reveal everything to the scum?
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Cult = non-town = scum.
Because if we revealed everything we would be able to coordinate with an this "targeting" mechanic to make it useful. If we all get powered up by being targeted X times then being able to do so would make the town a lot stronger, and if a scum member secretly didn't do as told it would be easy to recognize.
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I've never seen a massclaim before, and although it can lock people into roles, it seems rather dangerous regarding town power roles.
The targeting threshold wouldn't be a problem at all. Look at it this way.
There are 4 players in a game, players A, B, C, and D. C and D are scum.
A claims needs 3 targets to become a doctor, B claims just can target doing "nothing", C claims the same, and D claims needs 1 Target.
Everyone decides to all target A at night.
If C targets D (his scumbuddy) instead of A then it will be pretty easily notice-able and will give us much more information.
Thoughts?
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This makes sense.
This makes no sense. please explain.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Unlike you wanting to lynch a neutral.
Spiteful posts like that..are also scummy. Just FYI.
Anyone other than Cyan who only locks onto one player at a time until they're lynched? Hows that for spiteful?
Yeah lets put all our cards on the table for the scum to pick through. No degree of pro-town what so ever there, which ever way you spin it.
Speaking of pro-town, you haven't actually been that helpful to the town at all. Your just snaking your way through the thread waiting for wagons to pop up. And defending Jobo here, Starting to see a connection. FOS
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Lair of the Cat (Mafia Stats)
Why are you using personal attacks?
And look and Josh Whedon, where it worked wonderfully.
And I'd like everyone to notice that you FOS cyan as soon as he said anything contrary to you. Not pro-town thinking. FOS.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
It's not a personal attack, it's the truth.
See what I said above? That means its not the first time he's been negative toward me. So take your not pro-town and stick it. Full claim day one is not pro town, sorry.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Obviously in Josh Whedon where it caused the town to win it was.
That is the definition of protown, isn't it?
And telling the truth can be a personal attack.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
You flip/flop a lot on the neutrals issue. Before you say that we should lynch and vig.
then you say
so simple fact that towns don't lynch neutrals, but you really wanted to do that. Combined with your fit of anger, I'd say you really don't like the position you've put yourself in.
Unvote; Vote Archmage Eternal
Was it day one?
Where there any players already claimed at that point?
Or it can just be stating the obvious.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Archmage Eternal (5) - Cyan, Zchinque, AsianInvasion, Syrenz, Talore
loran16 (2) - Axelrod, TACKY
Zchinque (1) - RobRoy
Dancing Mad (1) - StormBlind
StormBlind (1) - kpaca
Buranri (1) - zindabad
Flew (1) - ced395
TACKY (1) - vezokpiraka
joboman (1) - Archmage Eternal
With 21 Goo alive, it’s 11 Goo to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Eh... No real use spending too much energy on this now. If kpaca or SB turn up dead tomorrow morning we should be able to assess the situation better.
But as long as we're speculating wildly
[wild speculation, gaming the mod and other badities]
Now, I'm not all that experienced with gleaning information from the wording of win conditions, but does anyone else read that as implying or suggesting that there are no neutrals that can't win along with the town (in other words, no SK or cult)?
[/wild speculation, gaming the mod and other badities]
I'm not going to get involved in the mass-claim discussion, as I feel I've already said my piece.
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
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Metal Gear Solid 2
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I didn't flip flop. Where do you get that? That 1st quote talks about them being non pro town. The 2nd talks about killing them off. What are you talking about?
Yeah, in the game I was in they had the chance to lynch me but they didn't because I was just a neutral. They lost and my 3 man neutral team won.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
When you have no information to the contrary, however, you assume that a mass-claim will be more detrimental than not.
In a Specialty, where the Mods go out of their way to make roles complicated etc, you definitely assume that a mass-claim will do more harm than good. I honestly can't remember the last specialty where a mass claim would have benefited the town.
You should really not game the mod. Like this is dangerous discussion, stop it.
Unvote, Vote: Archmage Eternal. Responses aren't good at all.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
What you were doing was using an unusual situation to try and convince people that we should still lynch them, while you know that normal procedure is directly opposite of that? That's how you're being flip/floppy.
Irony...
@the referenced modgaming: The wording is quite ambiguous, I'm not sure one would be able to derive direct answers from it.
Meh, I see no danger in just throwing idea out there, as long as we don't let it influence any decisions, which I am not advocating.
I'm just referencing publicly available information, and asking for input on how strictly people would normally interpret a wincon. If people consider it dangerous, don't comment, and I shan't bring it up again.
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen