We'll either get a vague role type (like "Lead Scientist" or something to that effect) or the actual ability type (like Doom Lich, Town Cop). Based on the first post I'm leaning towards the latter.
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Im sorry you feel i am being rash in my conclusions, however until TMM explains how he can be so sure the people mentioned to be town then i must remain suspicious of him.
Could i ask what you think of my posting style? this would help me understand if and where there might be some misunderstanding or misinterpretation.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
In your numbness, a stream of information filtered into your brain:
Doom Lich, Town Vanilla has been lynched.
It must be the shock, you reflected, that rooted you to the spot unmoving, gripping Doom Lich’s headless body in your arms.
It was a strange sensation.
The emptiness in you, devoid of fear and repulsion, even as you gazed into the reddish cavity above the shoulders of where Doom Lich’s head once was.
Your eyes followed the streams of blood.
It was the crimson fluid that flowed relentlessly onto your body, soaking your shirt and pants red, before dripping onto the floor.
It was a pool of red.
You blinked your eyes rapidly.
Your tongue could taste the metallic tang of blood.
With a sigh, you let Doom Lich’s body collapsed in a boneless manner onto the pool of red and stepped back.
How? Why?
Doom Lich was cornered. Accusations were hurled against him. Condemnations were rapid and fierce. There was despair in his eyes.
Despair.
You could almost taste the word. Touch it.
Doom Lich took the cowardly way out. Right in front of you.
It was the easy way out.
And he left the rest of you to sort out this mess.
Around the chamber, the respective metallic gray doors slid open, welcoming you into the solace they offered. Two doors remained shut.
There was the sound of running water beyond them.
You took another step back. It was followed by one more step.
It was time for rest and to collect your thoughts.
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Well this is definitely not a good position for us to be in.
@Vezok: either address the issues presented on Day 1 or stop annoying me.
Im town, thats all im going to say to you until you address the points.
Please defend your animant stance on lynching DL. You're were the key supported of his lynch despite good evidence that his was noob town. Your also trying to push off your attacker onto TMM, who did not support his DL's lynch at all. The only reason to be so rash about DL for you was because you knew he was an easy town target to bandwagon. Unless you have some other evidence to Lynch DL than " noob town" your scum. End of Story.
/FOS Sepiriel
I'll hold off voting til others chime in. We don't need another irrational lynch. If you do want to vote, lets at least force a claim this time.
I'm still trying to solve the puzzle as why OMJ was lynched. Best reason i have is Khorney, because he was adament about him. But his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL.
Please defend your animant stance on lynching DL. You're were the key supported of his lynch despite good evidence that his was noob town. Your also trying to push off your attacker onto TMM, who did not support his DL's lynch at all. The only reason to be so rash about DL for you was because you knew he was an easy town target to bandwagon. Unless you have some other evidence to Lynch DL than " noob town" your scum. End of Story.
/FOS Sepiriel
I'll hold off voting til others chime in. We don't need another irrational lynch. If you do want to vote, lets at least force a claim this time.
I'm still trying to solve the puzzle as why OMJ was lynched. Best reason i have is Khorney, because he was adament about him. But his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL.
I agree with you here, about sepiriel. Why did Sepiriel "claim" right after the doc lynch?! I don't get this at all!
FOS Sep.
To be honest, OMJ really did appear scummy. I just presented a case against him, but through discussion realised he might just be a noob too.
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He was a flip-flopping, fence sitting, non contributing element that did his best to do nothing, his responses where just "screw you i play like this" type of answers and never even addressed the points at hand. He had the little implosion gambit, and throughout the whole deal even khorney agreed he was displaying to much knowledge to even be considered a new player regardless of the fact he had stated this was his first forum based game
You're were the key supported of his lynch despite good evidence that his was noob town.
What evidence? where please show me where such incredible evidence was, and if you had seen it why did you never present it? if you knew so well he was noob town and saw a misguided wagon why did you not advocate against it and presented all this evidence? Up until the moment he asked replacing (at which point he was L-1) he had appeared and acted as i think scum would have when he asked replacing I asked the town if we should reconsider or push through but DL ☺☺☺☺ed it all up and self hammered and didn't give us a choice. Oh and do remind me where where you through out the whole day 1 again? oh thats right you spent it lurking
Your also trying to push off your attacker onto TMM, who did not support his DL's lynch at all.
When did i did that? when did i ever said "Hey dont attack me attack TMM he is scum"?
The only reason to be so rash about DL for you was because you knew he was an easy town target to bandwagon. Unless you have some other evidence to Lynch DL than " noob town" your scum. End of Story.
Or you know... I could have seen all his actions as scummy and acted based on that which means im not scum. Again if you had all this solid evidence he was noob town you should have said so instead of spending it lurking and doing nothing, all the evidence pointed towards him having attempted a gambit and very scummy behavior which is why i went with his case.
I'm still trying to solve the puzzle as why OMJ was lynched. Best reason i have is Khorney, because he was adament about him. But his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL.
And yet you dont suspect him of anything even though as you said "...his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL" that given that you just said my only reason for being so rash is because im scum would imply khorney to also be scum, i would like to see how he responds to this.
I agree with you here, about sepiriel. Why did Sepiriel "claim" right after the doc lynch?! I don't get this at all!
It wasn't my intention to claim after doc lynch, it was my intention to get vezok to address the actual points of day 1 which he refused to address simply because i had not done a "Im Town!" Parade
To be honest, OMJ really did appear scummy. I just presented a case against him, but through discussion realised he might just be a noob too.
This similarly explains my stance against DL, i presented a case against him and throughout the discussion realised he just had to be scum.
Again if Arcadic had such incredible proof that DL was noob town he should have said something instead of lurking, it is very convenient that he stated the evidence was so clear after the fact.
Ok so here i will go ahead and admit im a newbie, regardless of all the investigation i make i am lost as to when it is good time to present finds, i have information from actions taken against me last night, didn't want to say anything right after the beginning of the day because i thought it would seem suspicious and i wanted to defend whatever backlash came after the Lynch however i now see this as irrelevant since i've been put in a position where i will be suspected regardless of the fact that im town or the time at which i present information, as such i would like to ask those more knowledgeable when it would be ok to disclose information.
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I mean they analyzed the thread in search of power roles. They found the doc while doing this.
Again False Dichotomy.
You are phrasing it in a way that the only two options are Jobie or Cantripmancer which is just wrong, you are attempting to make them the only two possible choices when in fact there are more players in this game who cannot be considered "new players", you for example.
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What evidence? where please show me where such incredible evidence was, and if you had seen it why did you never present it? if you knew so well he was noob town and saw a misguided wagon why did you not advocate against it and presented all this evidence? Up until the moment he asked replacing (at which point he was L-1) he had appeared and acted as i think scum would have when he asked replacing I asked the town if we should reconsider or push through but DL ☺☺☺☺ed it all up and self hammered and didn't give us a choice. Oh and do remind me where where you through out the whole day 1 again? oh thats right you spent it lurking
It seems its a pretty obvious reason why the wagon broke up. People wanted more reason to lynch other than a fake noob implosion. Honestly, i don't see any reason why its back up to 4, since Jobie took him to L-2 to hopefully force a claim. Being so set on a DL lynch is suspicious to me, especially since you have provided no evidence yourself to prove to the town his is scum. You're purely piggybacking on the majority, which imo is scummy. Unless you want to provide and evidence for your vote i am /vote Wataru
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When did i did that? when did i ever said "Hey dont attack me attack TMM he is scum"?
Im sorry you feel i am being rash in my conclusions, however until TMM explains how he can be so sure the people mentioned to be town then i must remain suspicious of him.
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Or you know... I could have seen all his actions as scummy and acted based on that which means im not scum. Again if you had all this solid evidence he was noob town you should have said so instead of spending it lurking and doing nothing, all the evidence pointed towards him having attempted a gambit and very scummy behavior which is why i went with his case.
My apologies I thought i had explained it better in the post, what i was referring to was regarding Wataru's request, as much as I appreciate the support for the DL case, [actually upon rereading the mafiawiki i realized that 'wagon' may not be the best term to use since it could be misunderstood, what i meant to say is that while i appreciate the support to have DL pressured (and possibly lynched)] I am weary of complying with his request for a top 2 town/scum list, it feels like he is fishing.
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Or you know... I could have seen all his actions as scummy and acted based on that which means im not scum. Again if you had all this solid evidence he was noob town you should have said so instead of spending it lurking and doing nothing, all the evidence pointed towards him having attempted a gambit and very scummy behavior which is why i went with his case.
As a matter of fact I have mentioned several times that this is my first Mafia game ever, you would have known that had you paid attention like any town would, but then again your scum so you not paying attention is expected.
See posts like this are the reasons why i doubt DL so highly, when he complained about Wataru's lurking he displayed more knowledge of the trends of the game than someone new to the game would, indeed newbie town/scum are much more likely to spend their first game actively posting than trying to remain inconspicuous through lurking, this once moer casts doubts on DL, we can (and i believe never should have) grant him leniency due to this being his first forum based game, he seems to have enough knowledge of the trends as well as experience from RL format, and as such should have his statements scrutinized like someone who knows the game and has played before rather than a newbie.
1. You'll notice my total speculation in lynching DL.
2. Perfect example of you deflecting attacks against you to another person, who might i add, was also against lynching DL
3 + 4. So let me get this straight. His actions as a newbie were scummy because...he was flipflopping and rouge? While we should believe your actions as a newbie are perfectly sound and logical when the basis of the reason for the lynch was...his inexperience and playstyle. My 13 posts in this thread don't say much, but what they say didn't need to be repeated and ground into the ground, much like your posts. I could understand posting more, but my points were clear and no-one seems willing to listen to the logic that DL was town and a newbie. If you want to attack people for lurking, why not attack those who voted or wanted to vote for DL and have very few posts, like i started to do.
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But the fact is your contridicting yourself by saying since DL was showing knowledge of the game despite being a newbie, while you yourself are a newbie as well. By all accounts, you should be self-voting. Hell, i'm new as well, i guess that makes me scum too.
I've searched this thread, and i can still not make any sense of the OMJ kill. So Seph, why do you think he is gone? If i remember correctly, he was a newbie as well. Why does everyone think OMJ is gone as well?
Jobie, i would like your reason for forcing a Claim and pushing to l-2. Feel free to quote yourself, but i didn't find a reason.
Powerrox, i would like for you to explain your first post taking DL to l-1. I have more possibly, but....
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I mean they analyzed the thread in search of power roles. They found the doc while doing this.
I am curious as to what information you could get from this thread that he was the doc. The only info i could get was that i felt him as leaning town. I'm more inclined to think they just killed a town. Prove me wrong? Khorney, i also pose you the same question, since you were the inital targeter of OMJ.
I was in a game (basic 19 #) With a gimmick. He lurked a lot and was pretty scummy but caught all power roles just like that. He looked at the thread and he knew who the PRs where.
I say that at least one of either Cantripmancer and/ro Jobie should be in the scum team. I am not skilled enough to find PRs. I can look and find scum but I am not good at getting PRs. Check out Basic 25 # for that.
I don't think they just shoot OMJ cause he was townie. Khorney tried to pressure him and there where some votes on him in day 1.
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1. You'll notice my total speculation in lynching DL.
In that post you where responding to Wataru's post about how he found the wagon dissolving to be suspicious, the entire post revolved around Wataru seeming suspicious for barning the case, this post also seems to be your entire defense on DL which basically consists of "It seems its a pretty obvious reason why the wagon broke up. People wanted more reason to lynch other than a fake noob implosion..." you are taking it for granted the implosion was fake (in retrospect we can clearly see it was but at the time there was more than valid enough reason to suspect it), you claimed it was obviously fake but never defended it further than that, whats more it was all directed at Wataru and no one else.
2. Perfect example of you deflecting attacks against you to another person, who might i add, was also against lynching DL
You are grossly misrepresenting me here, that post was in response to Powerrox saying my suspicions on TMM where being rash, I at no point in that response told him or implied he should also attack him i simply stated that i was suspicious of him and would remain so until he addressed the issues presented, how you get i was deflecting and forcing others to attack TMM is beyond me
3 + 4. So let me get this straight. His actions as a newbie were scummy because...he was flipflopping and rouge?
No his actions where scummy because while he stated he was new to the accountability of forum based games he also explained he had experience in the game, and throughout the day showed he had more knowledge on the game mechanics than a newbie would have and as such i stated he should not be given the same leeway a newer player should have, that he was also flip-flopping, rogue and hypocritically engaged in behavior he also condemned as scum-tell was reason enough for me to suspect him and make a case against him
While we should believe your actions as a newbie are perfectly sound and logical when the basis of the reason for the lynch was...his inexperience and playstyle.
Incorrect my reason for suspecting him of being scum was due to him exhibiting more game knowledge than a true newbie would have and as stated before being a flip-flopper, acting rogue and engaging in actions he had priorly condemned as scum-tell, khorney asked me what do we gain from lynching DL and i clearly stated that at that point i believed him to be scum but even if he ended up being town we would still be removing a player who could not be read well and who had done his best to make it clear he was gonna play it however he felt it without regard of the benefit of the town.
My 13 posts in this thread don't say much, but what they say didn't need to be repeated and ground into the ground, much like your posts.
Do you honestly want to do this? out of your 15 posts in this thread 4 where random, the next (#5) barned on MandersHex with no explanation and was a vote against TMM. The one after that (#6) was to explain you weren't piggybacking but where just unable to explain your reasoning.
Your next two posts (#7-8) where about how TMM was being scum and DL obvious town, it should be noted that your entire stance seems to be we rushed into DL but never went any further than saying his n00b townines was so obvious.
Next post (#9) was the one about Wataru that i already covered at the start.
Post following that (#10) was the one regarding the ability to quote a post holding a quote and have both of them show up in your response.
After (#11) that we get your reaction to DL's self hammering, an act i will point out found rather annoying since at this point we where notified of the Deadline and actually wanted the players to discuss if we should continue with DL due to fear of not finding s suitable case in time or if we should let DL replace out and meanwhile pursue some other case.
After that (#12+) is where we are now you started attacking me and I have been trying to defend myself. So after reviewing your posts i can only find 3 posts where you actually contribute something prior to Day 2 (#7, 8 & 9), so yeah your posts up to that said pretty much nothing and what little they DID say is that we should have all seen DL as obvtown just like you did but never explained any further than it being obvious.
Also apparently I am being held into suspicion for wanting TMM to answer questions directed at him but you openly voting for him and never really having any justification for your actions should be considered ok and perfectly logical.... right...
I could understand posting more, but my points were clear and no-one seems willing to listen to the logic that DL was town and a newbie.
Your posts only said DL being town was obvious nothing more! as far as being a newbie went even khorney agreed he was displaying way more game knowledge than a newbie should have, he also had participated in Real Life Mafia games before, he was only a newbie in so far as this was his first Forum Based game.
If you want to attack people for lurking, why not attack those who voted or wanted to vote for DL and have very few posts, like i started to do.
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I did ask Wataru to be more active and also stated that while i was thankful for the support i did find him suspicious (which is actually there in your 3rd spoiler), i do not remember if i made any comments about Rubin8or, I think i may have said something but cant be sure.
But the fact is your contridicting yourself by saying since DL was showing knowledge of the game despite being a newbie, while you yourself are a newbie as well.
Newbie in so far as this was his first forum based game! he had prior experience with real life games! (Dont know how many more times i need to stress this) as such he had some ground knowledge/experience under his belt and should not have been given the same leeway a fresh newbie would have gained had they done a implosion like the one he did!
By all accounts, you should be self-voting.
Now you are telling me how i should be playing, honestly now.
Hell, i'm new as well, i guess that makes me scum too.
Stop putting words in my mouth i have never said or implied that being new to the game automatically made you scum, all i have said was that we shouldn't hold DL to the same degree of leeway as a newbie would have been given simply because he had displayed prior knowledge and experience of the game even if in a different format.
I've searched this thread, and i can still not make any sense of the OMJ kill. So Seph, why do you think he is gone? If i remember correctly, he was a newbie as well.
Stop being a dick and maybe i'll stop by your fishing hole.
Why does everyone think OMJ is gone as well?
Please be wary he is fishing people.
Jobie, i would like your reason for forcing a Claim and pushing to l-2. Feel free to quote yourself, but i didn't find a reason.
Powerrox, i would like for you to explain your first post taking DL to l-1. I have more possibly, but....
Honestly you would think Arcadic was an old crusty seadog with all this fishing.
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I really want to play a game where both me and Sepiriel are scum. He is just so good at this. I wonder.
I dont know if you are trying to imply im scum or jokingly giving away your scum or just actually complimenting me... ill take it as a compliment though so thanks.
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I think the conclusion that those two are scum because they happened to kill a power role is kind of dumb. It appears to just be a random kill.
This. x100. vezok, just because a powerrole is NKed does NOT mean the experienced players are scum...
Also /barn Sephiriel on the fishing comment (see what I did thar?). Arcadic's attack seems a bit off to me - partly the fishing - but also the whole thing seems a bit fabricated and forced, which to me is enough for a FOS Arcadic.
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This. x100. vezok, just because a powerrole is NKed does NOT mean the experienced players are scum...
Also /barn Sephiriel on the fishing comment (see what I did thar?). Arcadic's attack seems a bit off to me - partly the fishing - but also the whole thing seems a bit fabricated and forced, which to me is enough for a FOS Arcadic.
Wow, simply wow. Could you be more obvious? You wagoned on Sep and Khorney day 1 and now are wagoning on me for others reasons again? My attack isn't off, because Seph's attack was off. He has lynched without the slightest provocation and avoided the question of why he things a newbie deserves so much attention. In fact, you barely answered any question posed at you this game except why we should lynch an obvious town.
Fishing huh? Why would a town try to stop the spread of information that could only help town? Again, Seph, your not making yourself look good. I may be new as well, but it seems that withholding opinion and attacking those who want information is always frowned upon. Why do you think answering a simple question will label you further as scum? If asking a question is fishing, then we might as all well go back to lurking because posting anything resembling an attempt to play the game is scummy? We lost a good DAY of information from the quick and thoughtless DL lynch.
In replying to your reply of Point 2.
Why is it when someone other than you is rash about protecting possible (and then proven) town you attack him for....being rash? If anything your too rash and absolute about who and what to attack. I fail to see why your quote is anything but " Look at him being rash, not me!!"
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khorney asked me what do we gain from lynching DL and i clearly stated that at that point i believed him to be scum but even if he ended up being town we would still be removing a player who could not be read well and who had done his best to make it clear he was gonna play it however he felt it without regard of the benefit of the town.
See, here's my issue with this, and i believe i posted it before. The only reason anyone seems to have to get rid of DL was because he was unconventional and a newbie. He was no more a threat to the town than we was a threat to scum, except for the fact scum knew he was town and that he could start a /random rally against them for no reason.
Now Sepiriel, i'm willing to back of a bit, because if we are both town this does no good. However, telling people not to reply to my questions does nether of us any good scumhunting.
I think the conclusion that those two are scum because they happened to kill a power role is kind of dumb. It appears to just be a random kill.
Random? It seems to me that is a fairly flawed view. I ask, because your not a newbie, why would a random kill benefit the scum more than a targeted one?
First of all im not sure who you are addressing, you seem to quote Wataru and address him but somewhere down the line shift to me (i think?) and start asking me stuff, it makes it incredibly subjective and i would like to ask some clarity from you on that matter in the future, that baing said:
Wow, simply wow. Could you be more obvious? You wagoned on Sep and Khorney day 1 and now are wagoning on me for others reasons again? My attack isn't off, because Seph's attack was off.
wha?
He has lynched without the slightest provocation and avoided the question of why he things a newbie deserves so much attention.
You are once more misrepersenting me, im beginning to see a pattern here... and no I have not avoided anything i have addressed every single point ever raised against me, unless this was directed at Wataru somehow.... honestly the level of subjectiveness on this post almost makes me want to save myself the headache and not bother replying
In fact, you barely answered any question posed at you this game except why we should lynch an obvious town.
Is this directed at Wataru or at me? if at me please requote the questions you are claiming i have yet to answer.
Fishing huh? Why would a town try to stop the spread of information that could only help town? Again, Seph, your not making yourself look good.
first of all, and this is directed at everyone, my username is Sepiriel so if your gonna shortcut it use Sep no 'h', second a town, me, would stop the spread of information if he thought the question did little to benefit the town and instead provided more information to the scum, in contrast your attitude of "only scum would stop information spreading" is not making you look good because as far as i can tell the more information gets spread around the easier the chances of giving misinformation which I think is what the scum would want
I may be new as well, but it seems that withholding opinion and attacking those who want information is always frowned upon.
You then do not understand the fact that this game is as much about social interactions as it is about information manipulation, the scum wants information out there, it will actively champion for it, we as town also need information out there to try and find out the discrepancies and lies and therefore root out the scum but the measure and quality of what is given must be carefully weighted, not to do so can lead the scum to gain more information than what we really want it to.
Why do you think answering a simple question will label you further as scum?
Misrepresentation once more, honestly its like you are doing this on purpose... I have never said or implied that answering the question would label anyone as scum, what i did say was that your question seemed to be fishing for information, even more so you did not express your own answer thereby giving yourself ample time to adapt to the general concensus of the town in regards to your answer (If you notice everytime i have posted a question i have also provided my own answer to it, never have i just asked and waited for others to answer before providing mine)
If asking a question is fishing, then we might as all well go back to lurking because posting anything resembling an attempt to play the game is scummy?
Once again misrepresenting, no asking questions is fine, however asking a question without providing an answer yourself seems to be like you are trying to gauge the mentality of others thereby making it fishing.
We lost a good DAY of information from the quick and thoughtless DL lynch.
I think you and I are reading two very different threads, we already had a deadline established so i dont see how you can point to Day one as being quick, furthermore DL self hammered, if you are to express your anger at anyone it should be him, had someone else come over and hammered him instead or we had been allowed to discuss whether to allow him to replace out and in the meantime gone with some other case then perhaps we would have perhaps gained some information out of the whole mess, but DL literally robbed us of Day 1 with his antics.
In replying to your reply of Point 2.
Why is it when someone other than you is rash about protecting possible (and then proven) town you attack him for....being rash? If anything your too rash and absolute about who and what to attack. I fail to see why your quote is anything but " Look at him being rash, not me!!"
what?!? ok ok, i will assume this is just a big misunderstanding in context, first of all please be careful with your statements, yes DL was proven town in the end but prior to the lynch he was extremely suspicious, your defense of it being obvious and that being de facto fact is not really that impressive and does nothing to solve the other issues he himself (DL) presented, whats more what powerrox said was that i was being rash on TMM, all i said was that i regretted he (powerrox) considered me rash but that until TMM addressed the issues presented i would continue to hold him suspicious, how this turns out to be me deflecting and throwing the rest into attacking TMM is once more beyond me, i have to assume you and i are in a bit of a misunderstanding otherwise this would be intentional.
See, here's my issue with this, and i believe i posted it before. The only reason anyone seems to have to get rid of DL was because he was unconventional and a newbie. He was no more a threat to the town than we was a threat to scum, except for the fact scum knew he was town and that he could start a /random rally against them for no reason.
Sorry but im pretty sure you cannot prove he was or was not a threat to the town/scum.
He was unconventional which made him difficult to deal with, gave the impression of being scum and when he tried to defend himself it was done in a way that is pretty much summed up as "throwing things under the rug", that he was a newbie to the accountability of forum based games (honestly people i cannot stress this enough! he had prior RL experience with MAFIA) was not something to be hold against him but neither was it an excuse to the fact he had prior experience with the game in other ways and clearly displayed such knowledge thereby making it reckless to just label him as newbie and give him excessive leeway.
In the end your entire stance seems grounded in one wrong fact, WE did not lynch him, I openly asked the town for opinions and wanted US to get together and decide on a course of action given the circumstances at the time, Doom Lich took away that choice by self voting and hammering himself.
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Wow, simply wow. Could you be more obvious? You wagoned on Sep and Khorney day 1 and now are wagoning on me for others reasons again? My attack isn't off, because Seph's attack was off. He has lynched without the slightest provocation and avoided the question of why he things a newbie deserves so much attention. In fact, you barely answered any question posed at you this game except why we should lynch an obvious town.
I'll just answer this since it seems to be the part addressed to me.
Wagoning is lynching or getting close to lynching someone, and neither khorney or Seph got anywhere near lynching as far as I remember. What I did yesterday was a light attack on both - I didn't expect it to go anywhere, and it didn't. Same thing is happening here.
I see a few suspicious things, which other people have pointed out, so I agree with them.
So instead of telling me why your attack isn't weak, you call the person who you are attacking weak?
Also, "lynched without the slightest provocation"? Really? Did you not read the DL wagon, the complete implosion (fake or no), and his refusal to answer questions? It seems to me there was quite a bit of provocation to lynch him.
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I'll just answer this since it seems to be the part addressed to me.
Wagoning is lynching or getting close to lynching someone, and neither khorney or Seph got anywhere near lynching as far as I remember. What I did yesterday was a light attack on both - I didn't expect it to go anywhere, and it didn't. Same thing is happening here.
I see a few suspicious things, which other people have pointed out, so I agree with them.
So instead of telling me why your attack isn't weak, you call the person who you are attacking weak?
Also, "lynched without the slightest provocation"? Really? Did you not read the DL wagon, the complete implosion (fake or no), and his refusal to answer questions? It seems to me there was quite a bit of provocation to lynch him.
You misunderstand or i mis-wrote what i meant. I didn't mean the wagon to lynch Sep or Khorney, but instead their accusations of DL and OMJ for being scummy. You were rather quick to jump on both those.
I am not attacking anyone. I want the people who voted for DL to explain further why he had to be a target. Your reason for voting is unknown, other than you agreed with others opinions. My questioning of you isn't rock solid, but i maintain that piggybacking on others won't raise my trust in you. Especially when certain others attacked me for doing the same thing around page 10. Which is also quite strange.
You wouldn't random kill a potential mis lynch target.
There was some suspicion on OMJ.
They could have killed arcadic or Wataru. Or somebody else like khorney who is percieved town.
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I'll hold off voting til others chime in. We don't need another irrational lynch. If you do want to vote, lets at least force a claim this time.
I'm still trying to solve the puzzle as why OMJ was lynched. Best reason i have is Khorney, because he was adament about him. But his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL.
You seem to be concerned about what others think of you? Perhaps waiting for some guidance to fit in?
I don't get this...why am I the best reason? And since when was I adament? I believe I posted a lot, and this might have served to fool you into thinking I was targeting him, but I also believe my others cases were of the same length/quality. Please explain this more.
I've searched this thread, and i can still not make any sense of the OMJ kill. So Seph, why do you think he is gone? If i remember correctly, he was a newbie as well. Why does everyone think OMJ is gone as well?
I would also like to know why OMJ was lynched? I'm starting to think that vezok might be right about someone finding out he was a doctor. My view is, someone decided that one of either OMJ or DL was a PR, but wanted to see if they'd claim. However, they did not expect a suicide and decided to get rid of OMJ in the hopes their initial observation was right. This puts some suspicion on Jobie, as he wanted to see a claim.
I am curious as to what information you could get from this thread that he was the doc. The only info i could get was that i felt him as leaning town. I'm more inclined to think they just killed a town. Prove me wrong? Khorney, i also pose you the same question, since you were the inital targeter of OMJ.
I targeted OMJ because he was the same as DL. I can hardly be consistent if I put pressure on DL while ignore OMJ while he does the same thing. Not sure what they saw in him...More on this soon.
I say that at least one of either Cantripmancer and/ro Jobie should be in the scum team. I am not skilled enough to find PRs. I can look and find scum but I am not good at getting PRs.
I don't think they just shoot OMJ cause he was townie. Khorney tried to pressure him and there where some votes on him in day 1.
Why do I feel like this is deja-vu?
Why do you think I tried to pressure him? I was discussing his certain elements of posting, and highlighting them. Quotes would be nice.
This. x100. vezok, just because a powerrole is NKed does NOT mean the experienced players are scum...
Also /barn Sephiriel on the fishing comment (see what I did thar?). Arcadic's attack seems a bit off to me - partly the fishing - but also the whole thing seems a bit fabricated and forced, which to me is enough for a FOS Arcadic.
As you're saying it was a random/lucky guess? Please provide own quotes for fishing claim. You're starting to wagon/barn a lot of people for no good reason.
You wouldn't random kill a potential mis lynch target.
There was some suspicion on OMJ.
They could have killed arcadic or Wataru. Or somebody else like khorney who is percieved town.
What elements of Jobie's or Cantrip's behaviour do you see suspicious? Which posts in particular point to them (either of them) hunting for PR? More is needed.
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They didn't hunt in thread. LOL.
They found it and noted it. I can't quote a scum QT cause I dont have it.
I didn't say I find either of them suspicious. I just stated that of them must be scum.
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Ok so the following is directed at those who have not been active, (Wataru, Rubin, TMM, Cantrip, Powerrox and Arcadic) please provide a list of your opinions on the other posters, and your stance on them (whether they are Town, Netural, Scum and if neutral where do they lean to), none of you have expressed a solid stance on anything and its about time you stop trying to remain unseen and start talking (Just o note Arcadic has recently started an aggressive discussion with me, however barring TMM, DL and Me we dont know what he really thinks of anything else which is why im adding him here and cantrip while helpful somewhat needs to be more active and im hoping this would serve to get him more involved).
Also now that I have taken the time to defend myself I want to start talking about the events of Night 1, does anyone have anything to report? we lost our Doctor but so far we dont know if he tried to protect anyone, is anyone going to claim being the target of protection last night (or of anything really)? it would honestly help if whoever received it stepped forward, it would at least tell us who OMJ considered town but in danger.
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Ok so the following is directed at those who have not been active, (Wataru, Rubin, TMM, Cantrip, Powerrox and Arcadic) please provide a list of your opinions on the other posters, and your stance on them (whether they are Town, Netural, Scum and if neutral where do they lean to), none of you have expressed a solid stance on anything and its about time you stop trying to remain unseen and start talking (Just o note Arcadic has recently started an aggressive discussion with me, however barring TMM, DL and Me we dont know what he really thinks of anything else which is why im adding him here and cantrip while helpful somewhat needs to be more active and im hoping this would serve to get him more involved).
Also now that I have taken the time to defend myself I want to start talking about the events of Night 1, does anyone have anything to report? we lost our Doctor but so far we dont know if he tried to protect anyone, is anyone going to claim being the target of protection last night (or of anything really)? it would honestly help if whoever received it stepped forward, it would at least tell us who OMJ considered town but in danger.
Don't do that
This guy is role fishing. HARD.
Nobody should answer to him.
Also +1 point for you being scum.
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Don't do that
This guy is role fishing. HARD.
Nobody should answer to him.
Also +1 point for you being scum.
Honestly now you have no grounds for calling me scum, you have already been caught using False Dichotomy to cast suspicions on Jobie and Cantrip which is much more of a scum attitude than me asking a sensible question.
How am I role fishing? I asked who was the target of the Doctor's protection and if anyone had anything to report last night.
I dont want people with PR's to say "yeah i did x to y" but instead if anyone was subject to something not their doing then please to speak up. I myself have information i want to share but i have to be careful since im trying to prevent giving scum too much information or any clues regarding my suspicions.
I do find it interesting however how you literally freaked out at this one question, i mean its like you are trying to hide something.
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Honestly now you have no grounds for calling me scum, you have already been caught using False Dichotomy to cast suspicions on Jobie and Cantrip which is much more of a scum attitude than me asking a sensible question.
How am I role fishing? I asked who was the target of the Doctor's protection and if anyone had anything to report last night.
I dont want people with PR's to say "yeah i did x to y" but instead if anyone was subject to something not their doing then please to speak up. I myself have information i want to share but i have to be careful since im trying to prevent giving scum too much information or any clues regarding my suspicions.
I do find it interesting however how you literally freaked out at this one question, i mean its like you are trying to hide something.
[sarcasm]Yeah I am trying to hide information from the town[/sarcasm]
Seriously. You are asking players if something happened.
Like : "Look I am a cop and got roleblocked."
That should help us ,right?
Still sarcasm.
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No i did not ask to state what you are, only if anything happened.
I never meant or implied for people to come out and say "Hey im X and got Y last night" just to say "Yeah Y happened to me".
Just to be clear, misrepresentation aside, you are ok with the idea of whoever received Doc protection to step forward and say they received it right?
Ohh.
Usually people who get protected/investigated/Y don't know. This happens only in games with a lot of flavor. This is a newbie so people who got targetted have no idea unless they got roleblocked when trying to do something.
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Ohh.
Usually people who get protected/investigated/Y don't know. This happens only in games with a lot of flavor. This is a newbie so people who got targetted have no idea unless they got roleblocked when trying to do something.
Again, this being my first game of Mafia i was not aware of this, most of the games i have perused where not plain basics so i had seen times when people stated Y actions took place.
Even so just because we dont expect it to happen does not mean it wont happen, which is why i was asking confirmation from the others.
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Again, this being my first game of Mafia i was not aware of this, most of the games i have perused where not plain basics so i had seen times when people stated Y actions took place.
Even so just because we dont expect it to happen does not mean it wont happen, which is why i was asking confirmation from the others.
I see. Thought you were rolefishing hardly.
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It would serve no benefit to the town for me to do that, honestly now I have stated over and over again that I am town, perhaps its time to admit that i am and stop seeing me as the incarnation of evil
Also do you find any complain in the first part of my original post? (The one where I asked Wataru and company to state their stances on things)
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Do we find out before or after n1 if he is scum or not?
We will find at the end of the day, during the transition into night.
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and will we know his class or job if he happens to br town?
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Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
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Could i ask what you think of my posting style? this would help me understand if and where there might be some misunderstanding or misinterpretation.
Doom Lich (7) - Sepiriel, _航_ (Wataru), Cantripmancer, khorney06, Jobie, Powerrox93, Doom Lich
_航_ (Wataru) (1) - Arcadic
Sepiriel (1) - vezokpiraka
With 12 Players alive, it’s 7 Players to Lynch.
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In your numbness, a stream of information filtered into your brain:
Doom Lich, Town Vanilla has been lynched.
It must be the shock, you reflected, that rooted you to the spot unmoving, gripping Doom Lich’s headless body in your arms.
It was a strange sensation.
The emptiness in you, devoid of fear and repulsion, even as you gazed into the reddish cavity above the shoulders of where Doom Lich’s head once was.
Your eyes followed the streams of blood.
It was the crimson fluid that flowed relentlessly onto your body, soaking your shirt and pants red, before dripping onto the floor.
It was a pool of red.
You blinked your eyes rapidly.
Your tongue could taste the metallic tang of blood.
With a sigh, you let Doom Lich’s body collapsed in a boneless manner onto the pool of red and stepped back.
How? Why?
Doom Lich was cornered. Accusations were hurled against him. Condemnations were rapid and fierce. There was despair in his eyes.
Despair.
You could almost taste the word. Touch it.
Doom Lich took the cowardly way out. Right in front of you.
It was the easy way out.
And he left the rest of you to sort out this mess.
Around the chamber, the respective metallic gray doors slid open, welcoming you into the solace they offered. Two doors remained shut.
There was the sound of running water beyond them.
You took another step back. It was followed by one more step.
It was time for rest and to collect your thoughts.
~~~~~
It is now Night 1.
Night 1 will last for a maximum of 72 hours. Please submit your action choices by PM before then. No posting in the game thread during the Night phase.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Only a single day had passed and already you were feeling the burden of the world.
What sick psycho would subject all of you to this experiment?
No one in their sane state of mind would even volunteer for it.
Just as you stepped into the chamber however, a stream of information entered your brain.
oldmajenkins, Town Doctor has been killed.
There was a sort of fascinated horror that crossed your face upon receiving that.
The previous two deaths had been pretty gory thus far.
How did oldmajenkins die?
You moved toward the door of the room he entered last night.
There was already a crowd clustering around there.
Seconds turned to minutes.
The door didn’t budge despite repeated attempts at forcing it open.
After an hour, it was generally agreed that the door would stay close.
And his was the only door that didn’t open this morning.
Time to get to work then, you tiredly thought.
You had a scum to dig out and kill.
~~~~~
It is now Day 2.
With 10 Players alive, it’s 6 Players to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
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NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
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@Vezok: either address the issues presented on Day 1 or stop annoying me.
Im town, thats all im going to say to you until you address the points.
Bad vote is bad.
But after Angel Mafia, I'm pretty sure this is just the way that you play.
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Please defend your animant stance on lynching DL. You're were the key supported of his lynch despite good evidence that his was noob town. Your also trying to push off your attacker onto TMM, who did not support his DL's lynch at all. The only reason to be so rash about DL for you was because you knew he was an easy town target to bandwagon. Unless you have some other evidence to Lynch DL than " noob town" your scum. End of Story.
/FOS Sepiriel
I'll hold off voting til others chime in. We don't need another irrational lynch. If you do want to vote, lets at least force a claim this time.
I'm still trying to solve the puzzle as why OMJ was lynched. Best reason i have is Khorney, because he was adament about him. But his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL.
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I agree with you here, about sepiriel. Why did Sepiriel "claim" right after the doc lynch?! I don't get this at all!
FOS Sep.
To be honest, OMJ really did appear scummy. I just presented a case against him, but through discussion realised he might just be a noob too.
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And yet you dont suspect him of anything even though as you said "...his reasons are the same as Sephs for lynching DL" that given that you just said my only reason for being so rash is because im scum would imply khorney to also be scum, i would like to see how he responds to this.
It wasn't my intention to claim after doc lynch, it was my intention to get vezok to address the actual points of day 1 which he refused to address simply because i had not done a "Im Town!" Parade
This similarly explains my stance against DL, i presented a case against him and throughout the discussion realised he just had to be scum.
Again if Arcadic had such incredible proof that DL was noob town he should have said something instead of lurking, it is very convenient that he stated the evidence was so clear after the fact.
Ok so here i will go ahead and admit im a newbie, regardless of all the investigation i make i am lost as to when it is good time to present finds, i have information from actions taken against me last night, didn't want to say anything right after the beginning of the day because i thought it would seem suspicious and i wanted to defend whatever backlash came after the Lynch however i now see this as irrelevant since i've been put in a position where i will be suspected regardless of the fact that im town or the time at which i present information, as such i would like to ask those more knowledgeable when it would be ok to disclose information.
They caught the doctor. I don't think a new player can do that.
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I never understood what that means.
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False Dilemma aka False Dichotomy
What do you mean "caught"
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I mean they analyzed the thread in search of power roles. They found the doc while doing this.
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Again False Dichotomy.
You are phrasing it in a way that the only two options are Jobie or Cantripmancer which is just wrong, you are attempting to make them the only two possible choices when in fact there are more players in this game who cannot be considered "new players", you for example.
3.
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1. You'll notice my total speculation in lynching DL.
2. Perfect example of you deflecting attacks against you to another person, who might i add, was also against lynching DL
3 + 4. So let me get this straight. His actions as a newbie were scummy because...he was flipflopping and rouge? While we should believe your actions as a newbie are perfectly sound and logical when the basis of the reason for the lynch was...his inexperience and playstyle. My 13 posts in this thread don't say much, but what they say didn't need to be repeated and ground into the ground, much like your posts. I could understand posting more, but my points were clear and no-one seems willing to listen to the logic that DL was town and a newbie. If you want to attack people for lurking, why not attack those who voted or wanted to vote for DL and have very few posts, like i started to do.
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But the fact is your contridicting yourself by saying since DL was showing knowledge of the game despite being a newbie, while you yourself are a newbie as well. By all accounts, you should be self-voting. Hell, i'm new as well, i guess that makes me scum too.
I've searched this thread, and i can still not make any sense of the OMJ kill. So Seph, why do you think he is gone? If i remember correctly, he was a newbie as well. Why does everyone think OMJ is gone as well?
Jobie, i would like your reason for forcing a Claim and pushing to l-2. Feel free to quote yourself, but i didn't find a reason.
Powerrox, i would like for you to explain your first post taking DL to l-1. I have more possibly, but....
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I am curious as to what information you could get from this thread that he was the doc. The only info i could get was that i felt him as leaning town. I'm more inclined to think they just killed a town. Prove me wrong? Khorney, i also pose you the same question, since you were the inital targeter of OMJ.
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I say that at least one of either Cantripmancer and/ro Jobie should be in the scum team. I am not skilled enough to find PRs. I can look and find scum but I am not good at getting PRs. Check out Basic 25 # for that.
I don't think they just shoot OMJ cause he was townie. Khorney tried to pressure him and there where some votes on him in day 1.
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You are grossly misrepresenting me here, that post was in response to Powerrox saying my suspicions on TMM where being rash, I at no point in that response told him or implied he should also attack him i simply stated that i was suspicious of him and would remain so until he addressed the issues presented, how you get i was deflecting and forcing others to attack TMM is beyond me
No his actions where scummy because while he stated he was new to the accountability of forum based games he also explained he had experience in the game, and throughout the day showed he had more knowledge on the game mechanics than a newbie would have and as such i stated he should not be given the same leeway a newer player should have, that he was also flip-flopping, rogue and hypocritically engaged in behavior he also condemned as scum-tell was reason enough for me to suspect him and make a case against him
Incorrect my reason for suspecting him of being scum was due to him exhibiting more game knowledge than a true newbie would have and as stated before being a flip-flopper, acting rogue and engaging in actions he had priorly condemned as scum-tell, khorney asked me what do we gain from lynching DL and i clearly stated that at that point i believed him to be scum but even if he ended up being town we would still be removing a player who could not be read well and who had done his best to make it clear he was gonna play it however he felt it without regard of the benefit of the town.
Do you honestly want to do this? out of your 15 posts in this thread 4 where random, the next (#5) barned on MandersHex with no explanation and was a vote against TMM. The one after that (#6) was to explain you weren't piggybacking but where just unable to explain your reasoning.
Your next two posts (#7-8) where about how TMM was being scum and DL obvious town, it should be noted that your entire stance seems to be we rushed into DL but never went any further than saying his n00b townines was so obvious.
Next post (#9) was the one about Wataru that i already covered at the start.
Post following that (#10) was the one regarding the ability to quote a post holding a quote and have both of them show up in your response.
After (#11) that we get your reaction to DL's self hammering, an act i will point out found rather annoying since at this point we where notified of the Deadline and actually wanted the players to discuss if we should continue with DL due to fear of not finding s suitable case in time or if we should let DL replace out and meanwhile pursue some other case.
After that (#12+) is where we are now you started attacking me and I have been trying to defend myself. So after reviewing your posts i can only find 3 posts where you actually contribute something prior to Day 2 (#7, 8 & 9), so yeah your posts up to that said pretty much nothing and what little they DID say is that we should have all seen DL as obvtown just like you did but never explained any further than it being obvious.
Also apparently I am being held into suspicion for wanting TMM to answer questions directed at him but you openly voting for him and never really having any justification for your actions should be considered ok and perfectly logical.... right...
Your posts only said DL being town was obvious nothing more! as far as being a newbie went even khorney agreed he was displaying way more game knowledge than a newbie should have, he also had participated in Real Life Mafia games before, he was only a newbie in so far as this was his first Forum Based game.
I did ask Wataru to be more active and also stated that while i was thankful for the support i did find him suspicious (which is actually there in your 3rd spoiler), i do not remember if i made any comments about Rubin8or, I think i may have said something but cant be sure.
Newbie in so far as this was his first forum based game! he had prior experience with real life games! (Dont know how many more times i need to stress this) as such he had some ground knowledge/experience under his belt and should not have been given the same leeway a fresh newbie would have gained had they done a implosion like the one he did!
Now you are telling me how i should be playing, honestly now.
Stop putting words in my mouth i have never said or implied that being new to the game automatically made you scum, all i have said was that we shouldn't hold DL to the same degree of leeway as a newbie would have been given simply because he had displayed prior knowledge and experience of the game even if in a different format.
Stop being a dick and maybe i'll stop by your fishing hole.
Please be wary he is fishing people.
Honestly you would think Arcadic was an old crusty seadog with all this fishing.
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It's a bit late now, so I best be off, but I will post some more analysis tomorrow, alog with lots of questions for you lovely people to answer :p.
Games:
Basic 26: Alive : Won
Basic 24: Dead : Lost
Southpark mafia: Dead : draw?
Basic 28: Dead :
Basic 30: Alive :
Annorax's Not-very-Bastard Mod Mafia: Alive
By: Krackshott of Kracked Graphics
Looking forward to that.
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With 10 Players alive, it’s 6 Players to Lynch.
You can do all of that and more, but be aware a replacement has different thought processes than his or her predecessor.
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This. x100. vezok, just because a powerrole is NKed does NOT mean the experienced players are scum...
Also /barn Sephiriel on the fishing comment (see what I did thar?). Arcadic's attack seems a bit off to me - partly the fishing - but also the whole thing seems a bit fabricated and forced, which to me is enough for a FOS Arcadic.
Wow, simply wow. Could you be more obvious? You wagoned on Sep and Khorney day 1 and now are wagoning on me for others reasons again? My attack isn't off, because Seph's attack was off. He has lynched without the slightest provocation and avoided the question of why he things a newbie deserves so much attention. In fact, you barely answered any question posed at you this game except why we should lynch an obvious town.
Fishing huh? Why would a town try to stop the spread of information that could only help town? Again, Seph, your not making yourself look good. I may be new as well, but it seems that withholding opinion and attacking those who want information is always frowned upon. Why do you think answering a simple question will label you further as scum? If asking a question is fishing, then we might as all well go back to lurking because posting anything resembling an attempt to play the game is scummy? We lost a good DAY of information from the quick and thoughtless DL lynch.
In replying to your reply of Point 2.
Why is it when someone other than you is rash about protecting possible (and then proven) town you attack him for....being rash? If anything your too rash and absolute about who and what to attack. I fail to see why your quote is anything but " Look at him being rash, not me!!"
See, here's my issue with this, and i believe i posted it before. The only reason anyone seems to have to get rid of DL was because he was unconventional and a newbie. He was no more a threat to the town than we was a threat to scum, except for the fact scum knew he was town and that he could start a /random rally against them for no reason.
Now Sepiriel, i'm willing to back of a bit, because if we are both town this does no good. However, telling people not to reply to my questions does nether of us any good scumhunting.
Random? It seems to me that is a fairly flawed view. I ask, because your not a newbie, why would a random kill benefit the scum more than a targeted one?
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I dont have anything else to add to this question at this time.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
wha?
You are once more misrepersenting me, im beginning to see a pattern here... and no I have not avoided anything i have addressed every single point ever raised against me, unless this was directed at Wataru somehow.... honestly the level of subjectiveness on this post almost makes me want to save myself the headache and not bother replying
Is this directed at Wataru or at me? if at me please requote the questions you are claiming i have yet to answer.
first of all, and this is directed at everyone, my username is Sepiriel so if your gonna shortcut it use Sep no 'h', second a town, me, would stop the spread of information if he thought the question did little to benefit the town and instead provided more information to the scum, in contrast your attitude of "only scum would stop information spreading" is not making you look good because as far as i can tell the more information gets spread around the easier the chances of giving misinformation which I think is what the scum would want You then do not understand the fact that this game is as much about social interactions as it is about information manipulation, the scum wants information out there, it will actively champion for it, we as town also need information out there to try and find out the discrepancies and lies and therefore root out the scum but the measure and quality of what is given must be carefully weighted, not to do so can lead the scum to gain more information than what we really want it to. Misrepresentation once more, honestly its like you are doing this on purpose... I have never said or implied that answering the question would label anyone as scum, what i did say was that your question seemed to be fishing for information, even more so you did not express your own answer thereby giving yourself ample time to adapt to the general concensus of the town in regards to your answer (If you notice everytime i have posted a question i have also provided my own answer to it, never have i just asked and waited for others to answer before providing mine)
Once again misrepresenting, no asking questions is fine, however asking a question without providing an answer yourself seems to be like you are trying to gauge the mentality of others thereby making it fishing.
I think you and I are reading two very different threads, we already had a deadline established so i dont see how you can point to Day one as being quick, furthermore DL self hammered, if you are to express your anger at anyone it should be him, had someone else come over and hammered him instead or we had been allowed to discuss whether to allow him to replace out and in the meantime gone with some other case then perhaps we would have perhaps gained some information out of the whole mess, but DL literally robbed us of Day 1 with his antics.
what?!? ok ok, i will assume this is just a big misunderstanding in context, first of all please be careful with your statements, yes DL was proven town in the end but prior to the lynch he was extremely suspicious, your defense of it being obvious and that being de facto fact is not really that impressive and does nothing to solve the other issues he himself (DL) presented, whats more what powerrox said was that i was being rash on TMM, all i said was that i regretted he (powerrox) considered me rash but that until TMM addressed the issues presented i would continue to hold him suspicious, how this turns out to be me deflecting and throwing the rest into attacking TMM is once more beyond me, i have to assume you and i are in a bit of a misunderstanding otherwise this would be intentional.
Sorry but im pretty sure you cannot prove he was or was not a threat to the town/scum.
He was unconventional which made him difficult to deal with, gave the impression of being scum and when he tried to defend himself it was done in a way that is pretty much summed up as "throwing things under the rug", that he was a newbie to the accountability of forum based games (honestly people i cannot stress this enough! he had prior RL experience with MAFIA) was not something to be hold against him but neither was it an excuse to the fact he had prior experience with the game in other ways and clearly displayed such knowledge thereby making it reckless to just label him as newbie and give him excessive leeway.
In the end your entire stance seems grounded in one wrong fact, WE did not lynch him, I openly asked the town for opinions and wanted US to get together and decide on a course of action given the circumstances at the time, Doom Lich took away that choice by self voting and hammering himself.
I'll just answer this since it seems to be the part addressed to me.
Wagoning is lynching or getting close to lynching someone, and neither khorney or Seph got anywhere near lynching as far as I remember. What I did yesterday was a light attack on both - I didn't expect it to go anywhere, and it didn't. Same thing is happening here.
I see a few suspicious things, which other people have pointed out, so I agree with them.
So instead of telling me why your attack isn't weak, you call the person who you are attacking weak?
Also, "lynched without the slightest provocation"? Really? Did you not read the DL wagon, the complete implosion (fake or no), and his refusal to answer questions? It seems to me there was quite a bit of provocation to lynch him.
You misunderstand or i mis-wrote what i meant. I didn't mean the wagon to lynch Sep or Khorney, but instead their accusations of DL and OMJ for being scummy. You were rather quick to jump on both those.
I am not attacking anyone. I want the people who voted for DL to explain further why he had to be a target. Your reason for voting is unknown, other than you agreed with others opinions. My questioning of you isn't rock solid, but i maintain that piggybacking on others won't raise my trust in you. Especially when certain others attacked me for doing the same thing around page 10. Which is also quite strange.
And i've covered why i was against the DL wagon.
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There was some suspicion on OMJ.
They could have killed arcadic or Wataru. Or somebody else like khorney who is percieved town.
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crazy. Called me ol' fashioned, but I like a reason or two, even if it's just to review.
You seem to be concerned about what others think of you? Perhaps waiting for some guidance to fit in?
I don't get this...why am I the best reason? And since when was I adament? I believe I posted a lot, and this might have served to fool you into thinking I was targeting him, but I also believe my others cases were of the same length/quality. Please explain this more.
This is a terrible statement, but others have pointed it out. Some quotes wouldn't be bad.
quotes please.
I would also like to know why OMJ was lynched? I'm starting to think that vezok might be right about someone finding out he was a doctor. My view is, someone decided that one of either OMJ or DL was a PR, but wanted to see if they'd claim. However, they did not expect a suicide and decided to get rid of OMJ in the hopes their initial observation was right. This puts some suspicion on Jobie, as he wanted to see a claim.
I targeted OMJ because he was the same as DL. I can hardly be consistent if I put pressure on DL while ignore OMJ while he does the same thing. Not sure what they saw in him...More on this soon.
Why do I feel like this is deja-vu?
Why do you think I tried to pressure him? I was discussing his certain elements of posting, and highlighting them. Quotes would be nice.
Interesting attack. Not supported at all and disguised! You are certainly very bold.
Why didn't they kill someone else then? If it was going to be a random town kill, why not me? Or someone contributing a lot.
As you're saying it was a random/lucky guess? Please provide own quotes for fishing claim. You're starting to wagon/barn a lot of people for no good reason.
What elements of Jobie's or Cantrip's behaviour do you see suspicious? Which posts in particular point to them (either of them) hunting for PR? More is needed.
Other notes:
This wasn't a spectacular post, I don't have the time to analyse the larger posts made and the defenses, so I will leave that to another day. Just some general comments etc.
In other notes, you can shorten my name to "corn, corny, etc" if you so desire.
Games:
Basic 26: Alive : Won
Basic 24: Dead : Lost
Southpark mafia: Dead : draw?
Basic 28: Dead :
Basic 30: Alive :
Annorax's Not-very-Bastard Mod Mafia: Alive
By: Krackshott of Kracked Graphics
They found it and noted it. I can't quote a scum QT cause I dont have it.
I didn't say I find either of them suspicious. I just stated that of them must be scum.
must=95%
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Also now that I have taken the time to defend myself I want to start talking about the events of Night 1, does anyone have anything to report? we lost our Doctor but so far we dont know if he tried to protect anyone, is anyone going to claim being the target of protection last night (or of anything really)? it would honestly help if whoever received it stepped forward, it would at least tell us who OMJ considered town but in danger.
Don't do that
This guy is role fishing. HARD.
Nobody should answer to him.
Also +1 point for you being scum.
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Honestly now you have no grounds for calling me scum, you have already been caught using False Dichotomy to cast suspicions on Jobie and Cantrip which is much more of a scum attitude than me asking a sensible question.
How am I role fishing? I asked who was the target of the Doctor's protection and if anyone had anything to report last night.
I dont want people with PR's to say "yeah i did x to y" but instead if anyone was subject to something not their doing then please to speak up. I myself have information i want to share but i have to be careful since im trying to prevent giving scum too much information or any clues regarding my suspicions.
I do find it interesting however how you literally freaked out at this one question, i mean its like you are trying to hide something.
[sarcasm]Yeah I am trying to hide information from the town[/sarcasm]
Seriously. You are asking players if something happened.
Like : "Look I am a cop and got roleblocked."
That should help us ,right?
Still sarcasm.
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I never meant or implied for people to come out and say "Hey im X and got Y last night" just to say "Yeah Y happened to me".
Just to be clear, misrepresentation aside, you are ok with the idea of whoever received Doc protection to step forward and say they received it right?
Ohh.
Usually people who get protected/investigated/Y don't know. This happens only in games with a lot of flavor. This is a newbie so people who got targetted have no idea unless they got roleblocked when trying to do something.
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Again, this being my first game of Mafia i was not aware of this, most of the games i have perused where not plain basics so i had seen times when people stated Y actions took place.
Even so just because we dont expect it to happen does not mean it wont happen, which is why i was asking confirmation from the others.
I see. Thought you were rolefishing hardly.
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Also do you find any complain in the first part of my original post? (The one where I asked Wataru and company to state their stances on things)