@RobRoy: AI's mindset toward Zindabad is clearly not one of wanting to see him lynched though. The early probes against Zindabad could just be distancing.
I agree with Top3 on that point. If you search though the neutrals, you could possibly find some scum/town players in there. The chance of finding town players is larger, I know that, but anyway.
Well, my point was more that you can't just ignore neutrals. They affect the game state and need to be considered. And also that the concern 'If the debate is going on neutrals we lose a lot of opportunities to find the Mafia.' is wrong. There is plenty of time in the day to do both.
Also as stated, as scum I tend to aggressively bus my buddies early game. Feel free to check my old scum games yourself.
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One last thing of note: zindabad posted his apology to his scumbuddies in public so it's likely that the scum don't have daytalk.
Huh. Kind of glad AI posted this before I finished my analysis.
@RobRoy: AI's mindset toward Zindabad is clearly not one of wanting to see him lynched though. The early probes against Zindabad could just be distancing.
...huh. I've been sitting here for the last five minutes trying to figure out why I thought otherwise. AI did point out things from zindabad that were bad, and expressed suspicion, but never really attacked him. I guess there's no reason a scumbuddy couldn't have made those attacks, and it would explain why he didn't jump on the wagon once it started. My gut is still telling me that AI isn't a good choice right now, though.
Do you realize that you are the player who is currently closest to being lynched? Why aren't you even attempting to convince us that you are town?
1) You're scummier than me.
2) I am at L-5. If I get at L-2 I would propose you something, but you currently don't need it.
3) Nobody exposed any point (Or at the very least any valid point.) against me, apart from the one-line post Cyan calls an Interaction .
Vote : AsianInvasion.
4) Right Now you're as much close to being lynched as I am.
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1) You're scummier than me.
2) I am at L-5. If I get at L-2 I would propose you something, but you currently don't need it.
3) Nobody exposed any point (Or at the very least any valid point.) against me, apart from the one-line post Cyan calls an Interaction .
Vote : AsianInvasion.
4) Right Now you're as much close to being lynched as I am.
This is what I think, and I can argue about that.
I agree with Zchinique on this one, this post looks terrible. Let's take his points point by point.
1. Deflection. Clear and obvious deflection. "Why should I care about attacks on me when I can attack YOU!" is what this says.
2. This is like he's saying "who cares, I'll keep acting scummy and then claim at L-2 and shrug it all off cause it doesn't matter". A few players now have voiced their concern over Flew and he doesn't seem to care and his responses are lacking.
3. From what I've seen, there are a few valid points against Flew from a few people. RobRoy's analysis of the Zindabad lynch shows a few stains on Flew's record, Cyan made some solid points against him (which he discredits without reason here) and IIRC, there was a case by ced (who became Bilbro, who became Top3) against Flew. There's definitly some standing points against Flew. Oh, almost forgot Powerrox's recent tiff with Flew.
4. Reinforces the deflection. No defense of himself at all, just "you are scummier and I'm not!". Also, this is minor OMGUS what he's doing to Asian here.
I really don't like the Flew/Zindabad reactions yesterday and his responses here aren't helping. Still, I would like to see some actual responses to the suspicion against him rather than cocky banter. FoS Flew
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2. This is like he's saying "who cares, I'll keep acting scummy and then claim at L-2 and shrug it all off cause it doesn't matter". A few players now have voiced their concern over Flew and he doesn't seem to care and his responses are lacking.
3. From what I've seen, there are a few valid points against Flew from a few people. RobRoy's analysis of the Zindabad lynch shows a few stains on Flew's record, Cyan made some solid points against him (which he discredits without reason here) and IIRC, there was a case by ced (who became Bilbro, who became Top3) against Flew. There's definitly some standing points against Flew. Oh, almost forgot Powerrox's recent tiff with Flew.
Furthermore : I don't see anything answerable in that. It should be the reason why I don't answer. I had a four-IRL-days-holiday and when I was back, I didn't catch up the game entirely before the night 2, so I made only a few very short posts. Cyan made his point about that. What can I answer ?
Earlier, IIRC, I already answered Ced's points. Same thing for Powerrox.
As for Robroy, he isn't going against me, as clearly stated by the conclusion :
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Flew might be worth going after, but I can recall rereading him before and not being convinced. I'll see if I can get another look in later.
4. Reinforces the deflection. No defense of himself at all, just "you are scummier and I'm not!". Also, this is minor OMGUS what he's doing to Asian here.
Wait. Do you any any sense of humor ? At all ?
By the way, no, it's not OMGUS, because actually, I, first, suspected AI. On the previous day, when I said I would prefer to lynch AI rather than Zindabad, AI answered : "You die Tommorrow", this is the real OMGUS.
TACKY did you even think things through when reading my post ?Deflection is suddenly attacking someone to change the direction of the wave. I suspect AI since day 1, thus it's not deflection.
It's still deflection regardless if your suspicion has been there from D1. Your response to suspicion and attacks against you were "AI is scummier" END OF STORY. That's obv-flection if I've ever seen it and you trying to justify it seems wrong.
Ok. This doesn't however give you free reason to act scummy all over the place and be the only one allowed to get away with it. This statement also made me WIFOM all over the screen. This vague sentance bothers the hell out of me.
Furthermore : I don't see anything answerable in that. It should be the reason why I don't answer. I had a four-IRL-days-holiday and when I was back, I didn't catch up the game entirely before the night 2, so I made only a few very short posts. Cyan made his point about that. What can I answer ?
Earlier, IIRC, I already answered Ced's points. Same thing for Powerrox.
As for Robroy, he isn't going against me, as clearly stated by the conclusion
This reads as excuse making for not needing to defend himself. Vacation or not, he was still seeing the Zindabad wagon and still disagreeing with it. In fact, I'd say it's a more believable situation for Flew to be scum and do that after vacation. He comes back, see's his buddy is getting strung up and, without reading very much, tries to hold it off. Seems like exactly what would happen when playing off of a lack of information. It's speculation, but it's something to think about.
As for other suspicion, Top3 has backed Powerrox's suspicion, RobRoy is inclined to do a reread on you from your suspicious behavior, AI is still suspicious of you and Cyan is as well. Oh, and me too. And so far, all you have been saying is "So what?". You may have answered a few points here and there, but those points have also been responded to or reiterated by other players, and your further responses look obscenely scummy.
Lastly, my point against you wasn't that you weren't responding to the suspicion on you, it was that you are behaving as if there is none. You have been acting like nobody suspects you and anyone who does is talking crazy talk. You have been severely downplaying the suspicion on you, and I don't like it.
Wait. Do you any any sense of humor ? At all ?
By the way, no, it's not OMGUS, because actually, I, first, suspected AI. On the previous day, when I said I would prefer to lynch AI rather than Zindabad, AI answered : "You die Tommorrow", this is the real OMGUS.
Were you trying to be funny? Cause 1. it's not a laughing matter and 2. that's a scumtell.
Also, yes it is OMGUS. Once again, prior suspicion doesn't mean it's not scummy. It's still OMGUS because once AI got on your case and questioned you, you not only deflect onto him, but vote him too. If anything the deflection is fueled by the OMGUS here. I read this as Flailing in the face of suspicion and taking the only way out you know how to: attack someone else.
Finally, the bolded part: normally I would agree with you that that's an OMGUSy statement by AI, but seeing as how you were looking for anything other than the Zindabad wagon to hop onto, it's more a point against you.
Look at the wording there too. "Rather" is a solid indication that this post is coming from a Zindabad scumbuddy. He says "I would RATHER lynch AI", which I take to mean that he's not against a Zindabad lynch, just doesn't want it as much as an AI lynch. I could buy this line of logic if he had posted more adamently against AI, like a case or something, but it was really just a little bit of commentary on AI. I really looks like AI was his way out of bussing a scumbuddy. I reread it again and noticed the word Prefer in there too. This is just telling me that he wanted the townie points for agreeing with the lynch but he didn't want to lose his buddy at the same time.
Debating the use of the words 'prefer' and 'rather' might be a little too deep of digging, as my brain hurts a bit after that, but I got what I wanted: an actual response and not cocky banter. After seeing the response, I'm not thrilled.
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1) You're scummier than me.
2) I am at L-5. If I get at L-2 I would propose you something, but you currently don't need it.
3) Nobody exposed any point (Or at the very least any valid point.) against me, apart from the one-line post Cyan calls an Interaction .
Vote : AsianInvasion.
4) Right Now you're as much close to being lynched as I am.
Hey Flew, who in this game is not more scummy than you?
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Err... I see how that can be seen as a sarcastic remark, but it is meant as a serious question.
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I agree with Top3 on that point. If you search though the neutrals, you could possibly find some scum/town players in there. The chance of finding town players is larger, I know that, but anyway.
Town players do not claim neutral. That is just stupid. Scum, however, claim neutral all the time (LotR II, for example).
I'm also wondering why I only have one scum read. I'm pretty sure it's because the scum tactic in this game is to say nothing of consequence. In other words, all those players that I don't have a read on may be trying to lurk their way to victory. But that's just a hunch and you're the only with scummy actions.
I'm flabbergasted. You just did a reread and have no other suspects? I'm not sure if this means that you didn't pay attention or that you're simply scum.
Sure. My point is though, that this is the type of statement that is much more beneficial to scum, with their advantage of foresight of alignment. It's great to say "One of X and Y are scum" when you know that they're both town. You lynch one, hey look he was town! This means that the other one has to be the scum.
I don't mind a little bit of linkage; everyone does that. The problem is the quantity of your linkage and the fact that it comes before any of their alignments are revealed.
OK. In the end it's still my opinion. If I had followed up those posts with comments like, "X flipped town, which means we have to lynch Y now!" then I can see why you would attack me over this. However, all I did was post my take on the situation. Your response seems disproportionate and a reach.
Not really. I fully expected you to vote Zindabad if a good case on him materialized. There's no way you would completely hold off a scumbuddy's wagon in such an obvious manner when he was going down. But what you did is what I would expect from a buddy unsure about whether to commit to bussing his buddy or to wait it out and see if his buddy can survive: You expressed that you thought Zindabad was scummy while the wagon started building but only actually lent it your full support and vote once a solid case appeared and it looked very likely that Zindabad would be lynched.
We can argue about this until we're blue in the face but I stand by my assertion that I'm biased against zindabad and therefore did not fully trust my own read. If you think I'm lying and that the point is vote-worthy then I can't help you.
Don't worry, I plan on. If this was an attempt to get me off you and focus on other players though then bear in mind that I can focus on multiple people at once.
Hardly. I just want to see if you can actually put together a case against someone who may actually be scum.
Also, I liked your initial vote on Talore, as I thought his vote on Loran was way too hasty with little reason. However I noticed this post:
Did you know that Talore was a new player when you voted him?
I'm having trouble figuring it out. On the one hand you're asking Talore the question here, implying that you didn't know he was new but then you unvote in anticipation of the answer which implies that you know what the answer is going to be.
I was pretty sure that he was new but I wanted to know the answer for sure. I currently read Talore as slightly scummy for tunnel-visioning me without good evidence, but other than that he hasn't given me particularly bad vibes.
1) You're scummier than me.
2) I am at L-5. If I get at L-2 I would propose you something, but you currently don't need it.
3) Nobody exposed any point (Or at the very least any valid point.) against me, apart from the one-line post Cyan calls an Interaction .
Vote : AsianInvasion.
4) Right Now you're as much close to being lynched as I am.
On the previous day, when I said I would prefer to lynch AI rather than Zindabad, AI answered : "You die Tommorrow", this is the real OMGUS.
I'm pretty sure when a player goes out of his or her way to defend someone, and that someone turns out to be scum, the player has committed a scum tell. In addition to your spotlight-skirting early play, it's enough to be call you out as scum. Your vote against me is just lynch icing on the scum cake.
I was planning on catching up today, but I've been super busy. I'm literally getting up after posting this and leaving to go home. Will try really hard to post something substantial tomorrow to make up for it. Looks like stuff has been happening so I will have things to comment on.
1) You're scummier than me.
2) I am at L-5. If I get at L-2 I would propose you something, but you currently don't need it.
3) Nobody exposed any point (Or at the very least any valid point.) against me, apart from the one-line post Cyan calls an Interaction .
Vote : AsianInvasion.
4) Right Now you're as much close to being lynched as I am.
This is what I think, and I can argue about that.
Way to make me doubt my case on AI :-/.
@AI: I don't want to drown the thread in tl;dr so 2 points:
1. I don't particularly doubt your self-meta (although I don't recall your play at all so it could be totally false anyway). The problem with self-meta is that it shows that you're very aware of your meta. Which in turn means that if you're scum you're obviously going to play around that - rendering the self-meta null.
2. You've done a decent job of instilling a niggling doubt in my head about you. However, you've also done a decent job of trying to point me at other players and making subtle jabs against me. There is something else I'm looking into which may shed some information on your alignment.
You also seem quite surprised that I have only one scum read. I'll ask you a question though: Who do you have on your scumlist besides for Flew?
1. I don't particularly doubt your self-meta (although I don't recall your play at all so it could be totally false anyway). The problem with self-meta is that it shows that you're very aware of your meta. Which in turn means that if you're scum you're obviously going to play around that - rendering the self-meta null.
I understand why self-meta doesn't make the most convincing case, but I firmly believe from a theory standpoint that bussing aggressively is generally correct, especially for my playstyle. Whether others agree or think that I'm saying this to try to gain an advantage is irrelevant.
Also, it's harder to change one's playstyle than it may seem at first blush, especially when a player is making a lot of posts or several very long ones. When players make self-meta arguments, there is usually a germ (or full-blown infection) of truth to them. It also helps to look at the player's play overall and see if more aspects match what one expects to find from that player's town play than things that do not seem in line, regardless of whether you choose to heed the self-meta.
2. You've done a decent job of instilling a niggling doubt in my head about you. However, you've also done a decent job of trying to point me at other players and making subtle jabs against me. There is something else I'm looking into which may shed some information on your alignment.
I don't understand how you only had me as likely scum; I find that extremely odd and want you to do a reread.
Also, you replaced the player who at one point was my #1 pick for scum.
Let me know if you find what you are looking for.
You also seem quite surprised that I have only one scum read. I'll ask you a question though: Who do you have on your scumlist besides for Flew?
I had Bilbroxain on my scumlist since his first two or three posts, but you do not scream scum to me.
I may as well post my thoughts on each player in passing.
1. Archmage Eternal - Almost definitely the one-shot cop as claimed. Town. 2. AsianInvasion - Awesome. Town. 3. Cyan - Play was spotty early but role and zindabad clear him. Town. 4. Dancing Mad - He's still in this game? No read. 5. falkonn - Post more. No read. 6. Flew - Obv. Scum. 7. kpaca - Vig target. Neutral. 8. Powerrox93 - n00b; I liked Syrenz though. Leaning town. 9. RobRoy - Most town player behaviorally and confirmed by AE. Town. 10. StormBlind - Vig target. Neutral. 11. TACKY - Destroyed zindabad. Town. 12. Talore - Was on my case for bad reasons. Leaning scum. 13. Top3ReasonsWhy - Replaced scummy Bilbroxain who replaced townish ced395. Uncertain read. 14. Zchinque - Opportunistic but genuine-seeming. Leaning town. 15. Zebi - Post more. No read.
If we assume that there are four more mafia out there, I believe that out of Dancing Mad, falkonn, Flew, Talore, and Zebi, we will find our scum team. T3RW is worth tossing in there if the other five don't pan out.
It's bad news for everyone who wants to see it as bad news.
It transpires genuineness.
(All the following quotes are from TACKY.)
Ok. This doesn't however give you free reason to act scummy all over the place and be the only one allowed to get away with it. This statement also made me WIFOM all over the screen. This vague sentance bothers the hell out of me.
You just didn't have to care.
RobRoy is inclined to do a reread on you from your suspicious behavior
The point was about what I did not have answered. This example is obvious : You ask me to answer Robroy's argument, but he just wants to reread me.
Lastly, my point against you wasn't that you weren't responding to the suspicion on you, it was that you are behaving as if there is none.
How can I react to suspicion, apart from reacting and answering to them ? That's the same thing, and you should assumme it. You are just inventing a point against me.
Were you trying to be funny? Cause 1. it's not a laughing matter and 2. that's a scumtell.
I was trying to make fun of him and his ridiculous "You have more votes than me."
So, according to you, saying funny things is a scumtell ? Let me answer by laughter.
Finally, the bolded part: normally I would agree with you that that's an OMGUSy statement by AI, but seeing as how you were looking for anything other than the Zindabad wagon to hop onto, it's more a point against you.
This imply that Asian already knew that Zindabad was scum. How could he know it otherway than being scum himself ?
Look at the wording there too. "Rather" is a solid indication that this post is coming from a Zindabad scumbuddy. He says "I would RATHER lynch AI", which I take to mean that he's not against a Zindabad lynch, just doesn't want it as much as an AI lynch.
BLOODY DOOM, that's exactly because I am town and cannot be sure of everything.
Vote Flew
LOL.
Was there really a way for you to not vote me after my answer ? Or were you just waiting for my answer to earn townie points, but just willing to eventually find it scummy and vote me ?
This is pathetic.
YOU. ARE. OBVSCUM.
And so AsianI is.
(By the way, why did you write "Falkonn" in your quotes ?)
Was there really a way for you to not vote me after my answer ? Or were you just waiting for my answer to earn townie points, but just willing to eventually find it scummy and vote me ?
If you are town, how is he earning townie points with this action?
Pretty sure that this is a slip, but I'm not completely certain.
If you are town, how is he earning townie points with this action?
Pretty sure that this is a slip, but I'm not completely certain.
Because he wanted to show a kind of doubt and of uncertainty of what I am.
He asks me a few questions : In appearance, townie behavior, he explains that he is not sure.
But in fact, whatever I answer, he would have voted me. The lack of good reasoning and the nonsense sentences like "Trying to be funny is a scumtell" clearly shows that he had no intention of thinking about my case.
Actually, TACKY is one of the most townie players in this game. Y'know, when he dunked scum Zindabad? Yeah, that was him. This is blind flailing, and I can't see a townie doing this at all.
Actually, TACKY is one of the most townie players in this game. Y'know, when he dunked scum Zindabad? Yeah, that was him. This is blind flailing, and I can't see a townie doing this at all.
Unvote, Vote Flew
I agree with this. I'm leaning toward AI though. Going to reread them.
Also if we have a vig, why are we keeping the neutrals alive?
I realize I've been neglecting this game. As I told Dagger, last week my grandfather died and my family and I had to rush up to New Jersey. I got back late on Sunday, and have had to catch up on all my work over the past couple days. Seems I wasn't particularly needed considering a scum was lynched, though it does make me feel rather useless.
Anyway:
AI is one of my weaker town reads and I'm not particularly interested in him. I can see his interactions with zindabad either way, and therefore don't think that they're a significant point for or against him. He's been generally playing very open, which is something scum usually avoid, and I don't have much of a problem with the alleged alignment-tying he did D1 because I could usually see where he was coming from. The only real issue I have with AI is some of the fence-sitting he did day 1, but that's not enough to outweigh some of the townier stuff he did.
I am, however, interested in Flew; he sounds like he's flailing in his last few posts. I can't really remember much of anything he said D1 though, so I'm going to go back and reread him. Thoughts on that later tonight.
Actually, TACKY is one of the most townie players in this game. Y'know, when he dunked scum Zindabad?
I do not trust this kind of things anymore since Cyan got two scumbuddies lynched in Anita Blake Mafia.
Now that the towniest player has voted me, that's just a question of minutes until I get à L-2, I will claim now, and you will understand why it is a bad plan to lynch me.
I am a Magenta Goo.
I have one night ability whose effect depends on the color of the Goo I target.
If the color is different from mine, I redirect all the kills targeting that player on me. (And die instead of him.)
If the colors are identical, I die, and my target die too. This way, I can vig someone and die with my target.
Complementary : I have a day 3-Shot ability to change the color of a player to Magenta. (I cannot change the color to any other color.)
This way, I can have a limited control on the effect of my ability.
About my actions until now : On Night Two, I targeted Talore to protect him. (Nothing happened) I didn't use any of my Three-Shot Day action.
So there the plan I propose to you : Lynch someone else, and tommorrow morning you will have me dead, and another player of your choice. It's like three lynches at once.
You just have to decide who I have to kill before the lynch, because I need to change his color before suicide-vigging.
Now that the towniest player has voted me, that's just a question of minutes until I get à L-2, I will claim now, and you will understand why it is a bad plan to lynch me.
I am a Magenta Goo.
I have one night ability whose effect depends on the color of the Goo I target.
If the color is different from mine, I redirect all the kills targeting that player on me. (And die instead of him.)
If the colors are identical, I die, and my target die too. This way, I can vig someone and die with my target.
Complementary : I have a day 3-Shot ability to change the color of a player to Magenta. (I cannot change the color to any other color.)
This way, I can have a limited control on the effect of my ability.
About my actions until now : On Night Two, I targeted Talore to protect him. (Nothing happened) I didn't use any of my Three-Shot Day action.
So there the plan I propose to you : Lynch someone else, and tommorrow morning you will have me dead, and another player of your choice. It's like three lynches at once.
You just have to decide who I have to kill before the lynch, because I need to change his color before suicide-vigging.
What happened Night One? Also, why Talore?
I think this claim is pretty believable, but doesn't scream obv-town (the suicide aspect may be a lie). However, since he offered to use his sacrificial vig he gets some town points, assuming that part is true. (He could claim to have been RB'd though.) All in all, I don't think he's worth lynching based on the available information.
Given that we don't have any obvious targets (killing a neutral at the cost of a townie seems bad, and it may not even be possible to change their colors) it may simply be better to use the first abililty and bodyguard obvtown like RobRoy than risk going 0-for-2, unless we want to force him to kill himself to prove his ability.
I do not trust this kind of things anymore since Cyan got two scumbuddies lynched in Anita Blake Mafia.
Now that the towniest player has voted me, that's just a question of minutes until I get à L-2, I will claim now, and you will understand why it is a bad plan to lynch me.
I am a Magenta Goo.
I have one night ability whose effect depends on the color of the Goo I target.
If the color is different from mine, I redirect all the kills targeting that player on me. (And die instead of him.)
If the colors are identical, I die, and my target die too. This way, I can vig someone and die with my target.
Complementary : I have a day 3-Shot ability to change the color of a player to Magenta. (I cannot change the color to any other color.)
This way, I can have a limited control on the effect of my ability.
About my actions until now : On Night Two, I targeted Talore to protect him. (Nothing happened) I didn't use any of my Three-Shot Day action.
So there the plan I propose to you : Lynch someone else, and tommorrow morning you will have me dead, and another player of your choice. It's like three lynches at once.
You just have to decide who I have to kill before the lynch, because I need to change his color before suicide-vigging.
Now what can possible be gained by this other than the scum possible getting a better idea of how to carry their RB ?
To give me peace of mind?
I really don't see how answering would help the scum. Care to explain your reasoning?
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Letting Flew shoot seems like a bad plan. I mean, if he is actually scum, and we manage to pick another scum for him to shoot, he will claim that he was RBed or whatever. If he's town and we pick a scum, he'll probably actually get RBed. If he's town and we pick a town, then we're in a big hole.
That being said, L-1 now, right? I'm happy with lynching Flew, as long as everyone has said everything that needs to be said.
I don't really have much to add.. No interesting night shenanigans,
Flew might be telling the truth about his abilities, but, as has been said, I don't see how he can conceivably be town considering Axelrod's claim. Lynching him seems fine whenever.
After seeing that claim, I just did a quick skim of Flew's posts to see if anything screamed townie enough to make me not want to lynch him, and...there isn't anything. He's been saying AI was scum since very early on, but apart from a small explanation basically agreeing what TACKY said, he doesn't really say why. He jumps on the AE wagon, then gets off after AE gets goldified. He was also on the Zaj wagon with a barn. And that's about it. Nowhere do I see suspicion of Axelrod's claim or anything of the like.
I was going to wait until he got back, but I can't see how anything he could say would change my mind at this point.
Vote: Flew
Also, I guess I'll say this now in case it influences anyone's night actions: Top3 is probably town (assuming Flew comes up scum). I have a hard time seeing Ced's case, which materialized early on when no one else was suspicious of Flew, being a bus. AI also looks a bit better too, though Flew only started indicating suspicion of AI after others (notably TACKY) did as well, so I'm less sure about that one.
The case against Flew is solid. His claim doesn't make sense with the fact that Axel died. That being said, I think there's a couple things I wanted to do before the day ended....Actually I just went back and counted. I think the day is over, and that's really annoying. The stuff I wanted to do was going to take a bit (wanted to reread a few people, had some things I wanted to say about what's been going on).
I'll get to work on that stuff if the day isn't over.
Arguments were heated and loud, consisting mostly of the word “Goo”, but it was a word with countless variations in both its intonations and versatility.
And it was in the midst of such an argument that Cyan suddenly screamed out a particularly loud “Goo” that was so far out of the context that it brought everyone to a screeching halt.
Some of the Goo present even blushed, but that’s not the issue that needed to be focused on right now.
Cyan was hammering onto his own forehead even as a cross was carving itself there, leaving a veritable mark that didn’t heal itself. That in itself was a disturbing surprise, considering the malleability of a Goo’s flesh that instinctively restored any mechanical tear or scar to its original pre-wounded state.
After a long agonizing whimper in which Cyan laid on the ground panting and the rest of the Goo surrounding him in wide-eyed uneasiness, he rolled around and stood up.
Your already wide eyes widened further.
There was a large cross on Cyan’s forehead that simply wasn’t healing.
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Cyan has been marked and is now known as Cyan_the_Marked.
Flew – Magenta Goo, The Mister Goocider (Town) has been lynched
Startled glances were exchanged.
The night still stretched long.
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Hmm. So, if SB was a cult leader, what does that say about Kpaca?
Also, my lynch threshold is now L-3. Most likely, tomorrow night some townies will need to target me to kill me, in order to prevent the scum from just being able to 1-vote speedlynch me in the future.
Dagger didn't want to clarify what Cyan_the_Marked means.
Time to look at the Flew wagon and see whom looks worst from it.
Also, my lynch threshold is now L-3. Most likely, tomorrow night some townies will need to target me to kill me, in order to prevent the scum from just being able to 1-vote speedlynch me in the future.
Dagger didn't want to clarify what Cyan_the_Marked means.
A necessary sacrifice so we can still lynch.
Did you or didn't you use your Weakness Hidden Trigger?
Hmm. So, if SB was a cult leader, what does that say about Kpaca?
Also, my lynch threshold is now L-3. Most likely, tomorrow night some townies will need to target me to kill me, in order to prevent the scum from just being able to 1-vote speedlynch me in the future.
Dagger didn't want to clarify what Cyan_the_Marked means.
Time to look at the Flew wagon and see whom looks worst from it.
It says that I've been completely honest the whole time, and was smarter than the rest of you when I told you all SB was probably lying.
Also I think I didn't send a night action last night, because of internet troubles.
I'm think I'm going to continue not posting while Cyan and company continue to lead the town into the ground. Hopefully soon enough I'll get one more goo than SB so I can actually win.
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It says that I've been completely honest the whole time, and was smarter than the rest of you when I told you all SB was probably lying.
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It says that I've been completely honest the whole time, and was smarter than the rest of you when I told you all SB was probably lying.
Also I think I didn't send a night action last night, because of internet troubles.
I'm think I'm going to continue not posting while Cyan and company continue to lead the town into the ground. Hopefully soon enough I'll get one more goo than SB so I can actually win.
Yeah, the way I tried to keep Zajnet(town) from getting lynched and got Zindabad(scum) lynched was just awful.
Just out of curiosity, who has had their color changed by Kpaca?
And I'm not even sure that SB was lying anyway. Your rolename is probably the same/very similar to his.
What do you mean by "trigger"?
Could you decide whether or not you wanted to use the ability?
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Remember that Loran flipped town when golded, so I don't think the neutrals are cultists in the traditional sense.
@kpaca: A vig killed your competitior. He'll probably kill you tonight. You'd best help the town hit scum, perhaps that'd chance the vig's mind as to letting you live. I doubt the scum would waste a NK on you, even if you do lead the town.
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The case against Flew is solid. His claim doesn't make sense with the fact that Axel died. That being said, I think there's a couple things I wanted to do before the day ended....Actually I just went back and counted. I think the day is over, and that's really annoying. The stuff I wanted to do was going to take a bit (wanted to reread a few people, had some things I wanted to say about what's been going on).
I'll get to work on that stuff if the day isn't over.
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In retrospect, this post doesn't thrill me either. "Flew's a great lynch and he'll be the lynch no doubt, but lemme make a vague excuse to not join the wagon."
That's the way it reads to me.
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You think it was an excuse to not vote when I counted up the votes and saw that the day was over then didn't vote? How in the world is that scummy?
If that was true, why would I bring it up in the first place. Seems like it would draw attention to myself which is something that I wouldn't want as scum. What you paraphrased me as saying is not at all like what I was saying. Are me and you starting to just see each other as being scummy no matter what? Because I would like to avoid that and try to look at you objectively. That being said, your post feels to me like your trying to see if some dirt will stick.
The idea that the wagon on flew was a scummy one was a thought that I had as well. The argument that was used made sense, but the wagon went too fast and people were all too happy to jump on it. Might as well include me in that list if you guys want since I would have voted for Flew if the day wasn't over already.
I started vote analysis with tacky since he made that post. He's been on every single lynch wagon, and started the Zaj one. Could just be an overeager townie, but I will be doing a reread of him (and others that seem scummy from the voting analysis) later. I'll post the other vote analysis stuff when I'm done.
Here's the (very raw) vote count results. This only takes into account the lynch wagons, not any VC's in between or any votes at the end of the day that weren't on the lynch wagons. Also note that this does not take into account ANY game play unless it is mentioned. These are all of the people on the flew wagon.
cyan - probably town based on votes, started the Zinda wagon that caught scum, wasn't on Zaj wagon.
AI - On both Zinda (fairly late)and flew wagon (fairly early) neutral on votes
Syrenz/Powerrox93 - only on townie wagons (notable, need a reread here)
tacky- on all the wagons, started the Zaj wagon, in the middle of the other two (need a reread here, neutral/slightly scummy VA)
Talore - at the end of Zinda wagon, at the middle/end of flew wagon (neutral VA, still worth a reread. Might have jumped on the Zinda wagon when it became obvious Zinda was the lynch)
top3- Only on flew wagon (probably town, but that's due to reread earlier more then VA)
Zchinque- only on flew wagon (need a reread here)
Dancing mad- only on flew wagon (need reread here as well).
@RobRoy: AI's mindset toward Zindabad is clearly not one of wanting to see him lynched though. The early probes against Zindabad could just be distancing.
Well, my point was more that you can't just ignore neutrals. They affect the game state and need to be considered. And also that the concern 'If the debate is going on neutrals we lose a lot of opportunities to find the Mafia.' is wrong. There is plenty of time in the day to do both.
Huh. Kind of glad AI posted this before I finished my analysis.
Stated in my post 1230.
...huh. I've been sitting here for the last five minutes trying to figure out why I thought otherwise. AI did point out things from zindabad that were bad, and expressed suspicion, but never really attacked him. I guess there's no reason a scumbuddy couldn't have made those attacks, and it would explain why he didn't jump on the wagon once it started. My gut is still telling me that AI isn't a good choice right now, though.
1) You're scummier than me.
2) I am at L-5. If I get at L-2 I would propose you something, but you currently don't need it.
3) Nobody exposed any point (Or at the very least any valid point.) against me, apart from the one-line post Cyan calls an Interaction .
Vote : AsianInvasion.
4) Right Now you're as much close to being lynched as I am.
This is what I think, and I can argue about that.
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I agree with Zchinique on this one, this post looks terrible. Let's take his points point by point.
1. Deflection. Clear and obvious deflection. "Why should I care about attacks on me when I can attack YOU!" is what this says.
2. This is like he's saying "who cares, I'll keep acting scummy and then claim at L-2 and shrug it all off cause it doesn't matter". A few players now have voiced their concern over Flew and he doesn't seem to care and his responses are lacking.
3. From what I've seen, there are a few valid points against Flew from a few people. RobRoy's analysis of the Zindabad lynch shows a few stains on Flew's record, Cyan made some solid points against him (which he discredits without reason here) and IIRC, there was a case by ced (who became Bilbro, who became Top3) against Flew. There's definitly some standing points against Flew. Oh, almost forgot Powerrox's recent tiff with Flew.
4. Reinforces the deflection. No defense of himself at all, just "you are scummier and I'm not!". Also, this is minor OMGUS what he's doing to Asian here.
I really don't like the Flew/Zindabad reactions yesterday and his responses here aren't helping. Still, I would like to see some actual responses to the suspicion against him rather than cocky banter. FoS Flew
I have my reasons.
Furthermore : I don't see anything answerable in that. It should be the reason why I don't answer. I had a four-IRL-days-holiday and when I was back, I didn't catch up the game entirely before the night 2, so I made only a few very short posts. Cyan made his point about that. What can I answer ?
Earlier, IIRC, I already answered Ced's points. Same thing for Powerrox.
As for Robroy, he isn't going against me, as clearly stated by the conclusion :
Wait. Do you any any sense of humor ? At all ?
By the way, no, it's not OMGUS, because actually, I, first, suspected AI. On the previous day, when I said I would prefer to lynch AI rather than Zindabad, AI answered : "You die Tommorrow", this is the real OMGUS.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
It's still deflection regardless if your suspicion has been there from D1. Your response to suspicion and attacks against you were "AI is scummier" END OF STORY. That's obv-flection if I've ever seen it and you trying to justify it seems wrong.
Ok. This doesn't however give you free reason to act scummy all over the place and be the only one allowed to get away with it. This statement also made me WIFOM all over the screen. This vague sentance bothers the hell out of me.
This reads as excuse making for not needing to defend himself. Vacation or not, he was still seeing the Zindabad wagon and still disagreeing with it. In fact, I'd say it's a more believable situation for Flew to be scum and do that after vacation. He comes back, see's his buddy is getting strung up and, without reading very much, tries to hold it off. Seems like exactly what would happen when playing off of a lack of information. It's speculation, but it's something to think about.
As for other suspicion, Top3 has backed Powerrox's suspicion, RobRoy is inclined to do a reread on you from your suspicious behavior, AI is still suspicious of you and Cyan is as well. Oh, and me too. And so far, all you have been saying is "So what?". You may have answered a few points here and there, but those points have also been responded to or reiterated by other players, and your further responses look obscenely scummy.
Lastly, my point against you wasn't that you weren't responding to the suspicion on you, it was that you are behaving as if there is none. You have been acting like nobody suspects you and anyone who does is talking crazy talk. You have been severely downplaying the suspicion on you, and I don't like it.
Were you trying to be funny? Cause 1. it's not a laughing matter and 2. that's a scumtell.
Also, yes it is OMGUS. Once again, prior suspicion doesn't mean it's not scummy. It's still OMGUS because once AI got on your case and questioned you, you not only deflect onto him, but vote him too. If anything the deflection is fueled by the OMGUS here. I read this as Flailing in the face of suspicion and taking the only way out you know how to: attack someone else.
Finally, the bolded part: normally I would agree with you that that's an OMGUSy statement by AI, but seeing as how you were looking for anything other than the Zindabad wagon to hop onto, it's more a point against you.
Look at the wording there too. "Rather" is a solid indication that this post is coming from a Zindabad scumbuddy. He says "I would RATHER lynch AI", which I take to mean that he's not against a Zindabad lynch, just doesn't want it as much as an AI lynch. I could buy this line of logic if he had posted more adamently against AI, like a case or something, but it was really just a little bit of commentary on AI. I really looks like AI was his way out of bussing a scumbuddy. I reread it again and noticed the word Prefer in there too. This is just telling me that he wanted the townie points for agreeing with the lynch but he didn't want to lose his buddy at the same time.
Debating the use of the words 'prefer' and 'rather' might be a little too deep of digging, as my brain hurts a bit after that, but I got what I wanted: an actual response and not cocky banter. After seeing the response, I'm not thrilled.
Vote Flew
As has already been noted, this post is bad news.
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Err... I see how that can be seen as a sarcastic remark, but it is meant as a serious question.
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Town players do not claim neutral. That is just stupid. Scum, however, claim neutral all the time (LotR II, for example).
Impossible.
I'm flabbergasted. You just did a reread and have no other suspects? I'm not sure if this means that you didn't pay attention or that you're simply scum.
OK. In the end it's still my opinion. If I had followed up those posts with comments like, "X flipped town, which means we have to lynch Y now!" then I can see why you would attack me over this. However, all I did was post my take on the situation. Your response seems disproportionate and a reach.
And those make me more likely to be scum than those you have no read on...why?
Says the person who claims to have played with me before.
We can argue about this until we're blue in the face but I stand by my assertion that I'm biased against zindabad and therefore did not fully trust my own read. If you think I'm lying and that the point is vote-worthy then I can't help you.
Hardly. I just want to see if you can actually put together a case against someone who may actually be scum.
I was pretty sure that he was new but I wanted to know the answer for sure. I currently read Talore as slightly scummy for tunnel-visioning me without good evidence, but other than that he hasn't given me particularly bad vibes.
You'll have to link me to a post where you say as much because I certainly don't recall it.
I'm pretty sure when a player goes out of his or her way to defend someone, and that someone turns out to be scum, the player has committed a scum tell. In addition to your spotlight-skirting early play, it's enough to be call you out as scum. Your vote against me is just lynch icing on the scum cake.
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Way to make me doubt my case on AI :-/.
@AI: I don't want to drown the thread in tl;dr so 2 points:
1. I don't particularly doubt your self-meta (although I don't recall your play at all so it could be totally false anyway). The problem with self-meta is that it shows that you're very aware of your meta. Which in turn means that if you're scum you're obviously going to play around that - rendering the self-meta null.
2. You've done a decent job of instilling a niggling doubt in my head about you. However, you've also done a decent job of trying to point me at other players and making subtle jabs against me. There is something else I'm looking into which may shed some information on your alignment.
You also seem quite surprised that I have only one scum read. I'll ask you a question though: Who do you have on your scumlist besides for Flew?
I understand why self-meta doesn't make the most convincing case, but I firmly believe from a theory standpoint that bussing aggressively is generally correct, especially for my playstyle. Whether others agree or think that I'm saying this to try to gain an advantage is irrelevant.
Also, it's harder to change one's playstyle than it may seem at first blush, especially when a player is making a lot of posts or several very long ones. When players make self-meta arguments, there is usually a germ (or full-blown infection) of truth to them. It also helps to look at the player's play overall and see if more aspects match what one expects to find from that player's town play than things that do not seem in line, regardless of whether you choose to heed the self-meta.
I don't understand how you only had me as likely scum; I find that extremely odd and want you to do a reread.
Also, you replaced the player who at one point was my #1 pick for scum.
Let me know if you find what you are looking for.
I had Bilbroxain on my scumlist since his first two or three posts, but you do not scream scum to me.
I may as well post my thoughts on each player in passing.
1. Archmage Eternal - Almost definitely the one-shot cop as claimed. Town.
2. AsianInvasion - Awesome. Town.
3. Cyan - Play was spotty early but role and zindabad clear him. Town.
4. Dancing Mad - He's still in this game? No read.
5. falkonn - Post more. No read.
6. Flew - Obv. Scum.
7. kpaca - Vig target. Neutral.
8. Powerrox93 - n00b; I liked Syrenz though. Leaning town.
9. RobRoy - Most town player behaviorally and confirmed by AE. Town.
10. StormBlind - Vig target. Neutral.
11. TACKY - Destroyed zindabad. Town.
12. Talore - Was on my case for bad reasons. Leaning scum.
13. Top3ReasonsWhy - Replaced scummy Bilbroxain who replaced townish ced395. Uncertain read.
14. Zchinque - Opportunistic but genuine-seeming. Leaning town.
15. Zebi - Post more. No read.
If we assume that there are four more mafia out there, I believe that out of Dancing Mad, falkonn, Flew, Talore, and Zebi, we will find our scum team. T3RW is worth tossing in there if the other five don't pan out.
It transpires genuineness.
(All the following quotes are from TACKY.)
You just didn't have to care.
The point was about what I did not have answered. This example is obvious : You ask me to answer Robroy's argument, but he just wants to reread me.
How can I react to suspicion, apart from reacting and answering to them ? That's the same thing, and you should assumme it. You are just inventing a point against me.
I was trying to make fun of him and his ridiculous "You have more votes than me."
So, according to you, saying funny things is a scumtell ? Let me answer by laughter.
This imply that Asian already knew that Zindabad was scum. How could he know it otherway than being scum himself ?
BLOODY DOOM, that's exactly because I am town and cannot be sure of everything.
LOL.
Was there really a way for you to not vote me after my answer ? Or were you just waiting for my answer to earn townie points, but just willing to eventually find it scummy and vote me ?
This is pathetic.
YOU. ARE. OBVSCUM.
And so AsianI is.
(By the way, why did you write "Falkonn" in your quotes ?)
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
If you are town, how is he earning townie points with this action?
Pretty sure that this is a slip, but I'm not completely certain.
He asks me a few questions : In appearance, townie behavior, he explains that he is not sure.
But in fact, whatever I answer, he would have voted me. The lack of good reasoning and the nonsense sentences like "Trying to be funny is a scumtell" clearly shows that he had no intention of thinking about my case.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Actually, TACKY is one of the most townie players in this game. Y'know, when he dunked scum Zindabad? Yeah, that was him. This is blind flailing, and I can't see a townie doing this at all.
Unvote, Vote Flew
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AsianInvasion (2) - Top3ReasonsWhy, Flew
With 15 Goo alive, it’s 8 Goo to Lynch.
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I agree with this. I'm leaning toward AI though. Going to reread them.
Also if we have a vig, why are we keeping the neutrals alive?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Anyway:
AI is one of my weaker town reads and I'm not particularly interested in him. I can see his interactions with zindabad either way, and therefore don't think that they're a significant point for or against him. He's been generally playing very open, which is something scum usually avoid, and I don't have much of a problem with the alleged alignment-tying he did D1 because I could usually see where he was coming from. The only real issue I have with AI is some of the fence-sitting he did day 1, but that's not enough to outweigh some of the townier stuff he did.
I am, however, interested in Flew; he sounds like he's flailing in his last few posts. I can't really remember much of anything he said D1 though, so I'm going to go back and reread him. Thoughts on that later tonight.
Now that the towniest player has voted me, that's just a question of minutes until I get à L-2, I will claim now, and you will understand why it is a bad plan to lynch me.
I am a Magenta Goo.
I have one night ability whose effect depends on the color of the Goo I target.
If the color is different from mine, I redirect all the kills targeting that player on me. (And die instead of him.)
If the colors are identical, I die, and my target die too. This way, I can vig someone and die with my target.
Complementary : I have a day 3-Shot ability to change the color of a player to Magenta. (I cannot change the color to any other color.)
This way, I can have a limited control on the effect of my ability.
About my actions until now : On Night Two, I targeted Talore to protect him. (Nothing happened) I didn't use any of my Three-Shot Day action.
So there the plan I propose to you : Lynch someone else, and tommorrow morning you will have me dead, and another player of your choice. It's like three lynches at once.
You just have to decide who I have to kill before the lynch, because I need to change his color before suicide-vigging.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Cyan is known to bus aggressively. TACKY is not. Moving on.
What happened Night One? Also, why Talore?
I think this claim is pretty believable, but doesn't scream obv-town (the suicide aspect may be a lie). However, since he offered to use his sacrificial vig he gets some town points, assuming that part is true. (He could claim to have been RB'd though.) All in all, I don't think he's worth lynching based on the available information.
Given that we don't have any obvious targets (killing a neutral at the cost of a townie seems bad, and it may not even be possible to change their colors) it may simply be better to use the first abililty and bodyguard obvtown like RobRoy than risk going 0-for-2, unless we want to force him to kill himself to prove his ability.
And yet Axelrod, outed D1, died N1. Yeah right.
There's more that's wrong here but this is the only thing I needed to post right away.
More to come later when I get a chance.
Unvote Vote Flew
Why. Didn't. You. Let. Flew. Answer?
That makes really no sense whatsoever.
Vote Flew.
AE: I'd still like an answer to this:
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That being said, L-1 now, right? I'm happy with lynching Flew, as long as everyone has said everything that needs to be said.
I don't really have much to add.. No interesting night shenanigans,
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I was going to wait until he got back, but I can't see how anything he could say would change my mind at this point.
Vote: Flew
Also, I guess I'll say this now in case it influences anyone's night actions: Top3 is probably town (assuming Flew comes up scum). I have a hard time seeing Ced's case, which materialized early on when no one else was suspicious of Flew, being a bus. AI also looks a bit better too, though Flew only started indicating suspicion of AI after others (notably TACKY) did as well, so I'm less sure about that one.
I'll get to work on that stuff if the day isn't over.
Mod: Could we get a VC?
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And it was in the midst of such an argument that Cyan suddenly screamed out a particularly loud “Goo” that was so far out of the context that it brought everyone to a screeching halt.
Some of the Goo present even blushed, but that’s not the issue that needed to be focused on right now.
Cyan was hammering onto his own forehead even as a cross was carving itself there, leaving a veritable mark that didn’t heal itself. That in itself was a disturbing surprise, considering the malleability of a Goo’s flesh that instinctively restored any mechanical tear or scar to its original pre-wounded state.
After a long agonizing whimper in which Cyan laid on the ground panting and the rest of the Goo surrounding him in wide-eyed uneasiness, he rolled around and stood up.
Your already wide eyes widened further.
There was a large cross on Cyan’s forehead that simply wasn’t healing.
~~~~~
Cyan has been marked and is now known as Cyan_the_Marked.
~~~~~
Goocount
Flew (8) - Cyan_the_Marked, AsianInvasion, Powerrox93, TACKY, Talore, Top3ReasonsWhy, Zchinque, Dancing Mad
AsianInvasion (1) - Flew
With 15 Goo alive, it’s 8 Goo to Lynch.
As of this post, a Lynch has occurred. It is now Twilight. You may continue posting until the night scene is up.
~~~~~
Also, I will need a replacement for dear StormBlind, who has disappeared to the Goo Sky above, possibly to never return.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Flew screamed in defiance.
Two Goo lunged at Flew.
One more did a spinning drop kick.
Flew evaded one and grabbed the other.
He threw the Goo upward at the airborne one.
There was a collision.
Both crashed to the ground.
Frantic.
Four more leapt at Flew.
He twirled around and knocked two away.
The other two slammed him onto the ground.
Flew hissed and spat and punched and kicked.
Three more Goo piled onto him.
It was a slow hysterical laughter.
It was getting louder in intensity.
You hesitated.
As did some of the others.
There was a trace of insanity in Flew’s eyes.
The rest had no such qualm.
There was a Goo pile as more heaped on.
It was a laughter that slowly died off.
A cough.
A gurgle.
A whimper.
Silence.
Flew was almost unrecognizable at the end.
A quick check.
Flew – Magenta Goo, The Mister Goocider (Town) has been lynched
Startled glances were exchanged.
The night still stretched long.
~~~~~
It is now Night 3.
Night 3 will last for a maximum of 72 hours. Please submit your action choices by PM before then. No posting in the game thread during the Night phase.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
You opened your eyes with a start and joined the onrushing crowd toward the source of the scream.
It was almost a routine by now.
It was a routine that slowly clawed at your spirit and dragged your morale down.
The tide of darkness seemed inevitable.
Again and again you were forced to endure these killings.
Idly, you wondered whether all of these had something to do with the ancient game known as Mafia.
It would be bloody ironic if it was.
The crowd suddenly stopped.
There were flaming bits of Goo scattered around in a wide radius.
There was a nauseous smell hanging in the air.
Tentatively the identity of the unfortunate Goo was checked.
RobRoy – Navy Goo, The Vanilla-Flavored Goo (Town) has been killed.
Another flattened Goo was found nearby at the same side of the hall.
It didn’t even look like a Goo anymore being as squished as it was.
Another identity check was done.
tordeck – Gold Goo, The Cult Goocruiter (Neutral) has been killed.
That… was a surprise.
Feeling rather befuddled, you all prepared for another gruelling day.
It was time to hunt.
~~~~~
It is now Day 4.
With 12 Goo alive, it’s 7 Goo to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Also, my lynch threshold is now L-3. Most likely, tomorrow night some townies will need to target me to kill me, in order to prevent the scum from just being able to 1-vote speedlynch me in the future.
Dagger didn't want to clarify what Cyan_the_Marked means.
Time to look at the Flew wagon and see whom looks worst from it.
The Family
Nothing flattering.
A necessary sacrifice so we can still lynch.
Did you or didn't you use your Weakness Hidden Trigger?
A lot of shady-looking votes here. A reread is in order.
It says that I've been completely honest the whole time, and was smarter than the rest of you when I told you all SB was probably lying.
Also I think I didn't send a night action last night, because of internet troubles.
I'm think I'm going to continue not posting while Cyan and company continue to lead the town into the ground. Hopefully soon enough I'll get one more goo than SB so I can actually win.
Hmm?
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Hmm?
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
Yeah, the way I tried to keep Zajnet(town) from getting lynched and got Zindabad(scum) lynched was just awful.
Just out of curiosity, who has had their color changed by Kpaca?
And I'm not even sure that SB was lying anyway. Your rolename is probably the same/very similar to his.
My one shot was triggered off of my standard ability. Since I was blocked my standard ability never triggered my one shot.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Could you decide whether or not you wanted to use the ability?
Alcoholic Mafia - Town LVP
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
EchoChrome
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Assassin's Creed 2
Batman: Arkham Asylum
BioShock
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy I, II, IV, VII & XII
Kingdom Hearts
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mass Effect
Metal Gear Solid 4
Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen
@kpaca: A vig killed your competitior. He'll probably kill you tonight. You'd best help the town hit scum, perhaps that'd chance the vig's mind as to letting you live. I doubt the scum would waste a NK on you, even if you do lead the town.
I was turned orange two nights ago.
In retrospect, this post doesn't thrill me either. "Flew's a great lynch and he'll be the lynch no doubt, but lemme make a vague excuse to not join the wagon."
That's the way it reads to me.
If that was true, why would I bring it up in the first place. Seems like it would draw attention to myself which is something that I wouldn't want as scum. What you paraphrased me as saying is not at all like what I was saying. Are me and you starting to just see each other as being scummy no matter what? Because I would like to avoid that and try to look at you objectively. That being said, your post feels to me like your trying to see if some dirt will stick.
The idea that the wagon on flew was a scummy one was a thought that I had as well. The argument that was used made sense, but the wagon went too fast and people were all too happy to jump on it. Might as well include me in that list if you guys want since I would have voted for Flew if the day wasn't over already.
I started vote analysis with tacky since he made that post. He's been on every single lynch wagon, and started the Zaj one. Could just be an overeager townie, but I will be doing a reread of him (and others that seem scummy from the voting analysis) later. I'll post the other vote analysis stuff when I'm done.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
cyan - probably town based on votes, started the Zinda wagon that caught scum, wasn't on Zaj wagon.
AI - On both Zinda (fairly late)and flew wagon (fairly early) neutral on votes
Syrenz/Powerrox93 - only on townie wagons (notable, need a reread here)
tacky- on all the wagons, started the Zaj wagon, in the middle of the other two (need a reread here, neutral/slightly scummy VA)
Talore - at the end of Zinda wagon, at the middle/end of flew wagon (neutral VA, still worth a reread. Might have jumped on the Zinda wagon when it became obvious Zinda was the lynch)
top3- Only on flew wagon (probably town, but that's due to reread earlier more then VA)
Zchinque- only on flew wagon (need a reread here)
Dancing mad- only on flew wagon (need reread here as well).
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