I wanted to post this after everyone had come in and reacted to what was going on, but since you asked for it here it is (my list is biased by my read on Kpaca).
AI -wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now personally. Especially since I realized that if he is scum, the rest of the scum team is a combination of two of the four of AE, tacky, kpaca (would be the same trick he tried to keep powerrox93 from getting lynched)and me. There is much less reason to bus early in the day today as the town needs all five votes to win. I'm not counting it out, but I don't think AI is scum so it doesn't really matter.
Tacky- Not interested in lynching tacky today either. He might have just been bussing Zinda, but overall he's seemed town to me. Plus that would be a mega bus that he pulled on Zinda.
Top3- Seems fine overall. Not interested in lynching him today either.
Keifru- Really tried to get AI lynched. Replaced DM who was lurky. However, his posts haven't really reaked of scumminess. Not willing to lynch today personally (but I understand why he's being discussed).
Zebi- Has been lurky. Hasn't contributed much. His unvote on AI bought him some townie points. Easily the scummiest person I am unwilling to lynch today.
AE- Kpaca reread makes you look bad, and you are acting like his scumbuddy right now trying to deflect for him and requesting his presence after I tell you why your argument is bad.
Kpaca- Because of what I said yesterday. Full reread coming later with some interesting bits.
What is there to answer. Somebody who is clearly lost is of the opinion that every post of mine is scummy. There really isn't any need to refute that, as the accuser is obviously biased beyond all belief.
The rest of you realize the reality which is I am neutral, and if you lynch me today you lose. Hooray!
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Um...why do you want to win with scum? I'd say if what you claim is true your already in the winners circle. If you think your tied what difference does it make which side you lynch, you just change a color tonight. But, if you are indeed tied and lynch town the game is over and you don't get a chance to color change. Something does not add up here.
What is there to answer. Somebody who is clearly lost is of the opinion that every post of mine is scummy. There really isn't any need to refute that, as the accuser is obviously biased beyond all belief.
The rest of you realize the reality which is I am neutral, and if you lynch me today you lose. Hooray!
Only one person is advocating your lynch. Yeah its obvious if your not scum we lose. It doesn't look like the path we're going down. Just have to get falkonn to realize that.
So falkonn you have no intentions of lynching anyone other than kpaca today by the way you have your list. Well besides me I guess since you didn't say that.
I'd say it's 90% likely that I've already beaten Stormblind, in which case nothing matters to me at this point. However, considering I may not be, if the game progresses on I'd like to be aligned with the scum, so i don't die tonight. However, my main preference is for the game to end now, which is what I shot for earlier.
I hope you get it cause I don't care to explain it anymore.
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I'd say it's 90% likely that I've already beaten Stormblind, .
I hope you get it cause I don't care to explain it anymore.
Yeah fine thats what I wanted to hear because you lied earlier saying you didn't think you were beating him. No need to explain anything more, just wanted you to be logical.
AI -wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now personally. Especially since I realized that if he is scum, the rest of the scum team is a combination of two of the four of AE, tacky, kpaca (would be the same trick he tried to keep powerrox93 from getting lynched)and me. There is much less reason to bus early in the day today as the town needs all five votes to win. I'm not counting it out, but I don't think AI is scum so it doesn't really matter.
I don't get how you are reaching that conclusion with his scumbuddies?
And I agree with the others that you're kpaca push is bad.
Game is dragging. I've said my piece on AI, it's there for whoever is interested in it. Now I just want the game to end. Let's just lynch whoever we are lynching and get on with it.
Top3: Why is it bad. Use your own words please. Also...I came to that conclusion because there were 4 people voting. If AI is scum that means the other two would be hiding amongst the last three people + Kpaca since its the same trick he pulled with pr93 to get people to unvote.
I don't think killing Keifru is the right move for today. You guys are going to have to do it without me.
I find it humorous that I have to do a pbpa on someone that has argued for the lynch of known townies every chance he can get, has argued against the lynch of two known scum, and to top it all off has acted scummy over and over again. I don't have time to do it right now, but it will be going up soon. I pulled all the posts up yesterday so all I have to do is put commentary in now. Kpaca is the smart lynch for the day.
Top3: Why is it bad. Use your own words please. Also...I came to that conclusion because there were 4 people voting. If AI is scum that means the other two would be hiding amongst the last three people + Kpaca since its the same trick he pulled with pr93 to get people to unvote.
I don't think killing Keifru is the right move for today. You guys are going to have to do it without me.
I find it humorous that I have to do a pbpa on someone that has argued for the lynch of known townies every chance he can get, has argued against the lynch of two known scum, and to top it all off has acted scummy over and over again. I don't have time to do it right now, but it will be going up soon. I pulled all the posts up yesterday so all I have to do is put commentary in now. Kpaca is the smart lynch for the day.
kpaca has been completely anti-town. Yes we know that. But we also know that the most logical conclusion is that he is simply a neutral. If he is somehow scum, then a) he has played it very convincingly, showing constantly how little he cares and b) had help from a bastard mod since SB said he had a rival.
Okay...if he's neutral then how did he know to argue against Zinda/Pr93 getting lynched? The point is that he knew that they were scum, and is therefore not neutral. Neutrals don't know who the scum are, they are just as in the dark as any other townie.
I know this may blow your mind, but perhaps I was able to figure out some of the scum!
I know it's hard to imagine considering how inept the town has been at doing that. But really even if I think I caught scum there was no reason during the entire game to help the town, since they had agreed to kill me. Since I realized early on that you guy's were pretty happy to vig me, that my best bet was to not make myself any sort of threat to the scum/SK at all. As such I have played the whole game as if I were on their team, and hilariously that made you guys do the opposite of vigging me. Sorry.
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Over the last few days I haven't posted. This has done nothing to help savage our win. I hope people realize now that a sudden increase in posting is me trying to help us win, rather than sit here and do nothing.
I don't see how kpaca can be scum. Didn't SB explicitly say he had a rival? Scum cult seems pretty awful for us. He's played the game so scummy because he simply doesn't care. I don't want to keep him alive, but we don't really have a choice.
Keifru has somewhat dissapeared, it seems. Which I would argue is pro-scum, rather than pro-town, as per he is not able to help the town when he is not here. I would be okay with seeing him lynched, but I don't know how close we are to lynching him at the moment. I feel that people still have things to say for today, and so I will reserve my vote until then.
Townies need to unvote Keifru. There are three votes on him and Kpaca is waiting in the wings to hammer. This wagon is so bad.
Kpaca: lol. Yeah, I don't think so. You didn't just fight scum wagons, you pushed all those townie wagons too. So your saying that before the townies were lynched that you knew they were townie too? Must be nice being psychic. Seriously town, can we lynch him yet?
AE: You are doing nothing but reinforcing my read on you right now. So you think...
-Kpaca is a bad idea and people shouldn't look into him too hard.
-Lynching Keifru is a good idea (what exactly is the case against him again?)
-And you don't have anything else to say, which implies your ready to end the day. I read that last point as trying to hurry the town along.
I should have time tomorrow to post my long Kpaca pbpa.
Keifru has somewhat dissapeared, it seems. Which I would argue is pro-scum, rather than pro-town, as per he is not able to help the town when he is not here.
For once, I'd like someone to use meta on me: Look at any and all the other games I've been in/currently in.
I don't like lurking. At all. I would also say I'm not exactly much help because I'm coming in with a huge 1600 post slab of meat slapping me in the face.
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If this is correct, StormBlind currently has a 2-1 lead over kpaca.
Also, we have four claimed investigative roles including dead vezokpiraka. Hmm.
kpaca, would you be willing to side with the town if I change my color to Orange? You should probably consider that under a mislynch endgame scenario, you might lose an Orange Goo which would cause you to lose the game. Also, I think I would bodyguard you should the scum try to NK you.
Of note: kpaca's ability redirected the vig shot to Talore, but StormBlind didn't seem to give his followers any abilities. However, StormBlind seemed to be able to change AE's color in the middle of Day One.
What I don't understand is how people knew that they became Gold considering the following exchange occurred:
No, upon more in depth reading, my abilities are contrary to stormblind in that sense. I get personal abilities. So his targets getting abilities seems certainly possible. I imagine Dagger designed the roles as two neutral opposites, because also players I turn orange won't be notified. I need to go recheck and see if my color can be changed, because I was surprised when SB said that, I was planning on changing his color
Well, appears daggers paying attention. Just got a role pm update, players will no longer be informed when they turn gold. Merely that they WILL be golden.
Huzzah edit.
Something's not right here.
Still working on the reread, I keep getting distracted.
AE: You are doing nothing but reinforcing my read on you right now. So you think...
-Kpaca is a bad idea and people shouldn't look into him too hard.
Right. Where were you D1 when I wanted to get rid of them?
-Lynching Keifru is a good idea (what exactly is the case against him again?)
Yes good idea.
-And you don't have anything else to say, which implies your ready to end the day. I read that last point as trying to hurry the town along.
Yes ready to end the day. Hurry the town? Whats been happening lately that inplies the day should continue? Give people more time to lurk? If I wanted to hurry the day along I would have put my vote back on AI so kpaca could hammer.
Yeah, not much to say that hasn't already been said. Falkonn's attack onto AE/defense of Keifru make me wary, but that's the only new development. Keifru is the right play today, nuff said.
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Well don't worry about it. I HAVE TURN GOLD.
I have no new powers, no powered up powers, no special abilities, my win con hasn't changed. Nothing about me is different but my color, and its permanent. I cant change color. I asked the mod.
Still not home, don't like SB claim, will expound later. Also read ghost town, particularly bilbroxain. Someone saying they are town over and over actually probably makes them the opposite.
No one should target Vezokpriko tonight.
Tells people not to target Vezok, which would effectively neuter his role. Puts suspicion on Bilbro (now T3).
So? Are you telling me you think he is scum for that vote? Pshah.
Anyway, to expound upon what I was saying earlier. If you notice, Stormblind is doing the same sort of sell bilbro attempted in ghost town, albeit he is doing it better that bilbroxain. What he did was (with what I presume is an anti-town role), claim early to try and establish his towniness, and then he proceeded to in several other posts refer to himself and his role as town at every possible oppurtunity to passively make it secure in the other players minds that he's being honest and trustworthy. The way he quickly turned on someone with one vote on him supports this idea to me. I was okay with letting this happen in Ghost Town, because I was scum and bilbo had no realistic chance of duping me and Seppell, so we let him shoot at will to speed up our victory. I'm not willing to let that happen in this game though.
unvote: Vote Stormblind
Sticks up for Zinda when Syrenz questions him. So Kpaca...you had Zinda figured out as scum for sure by post 108? Must be nice being you.
Is already against claiming. This makes sense in the early game, but kpaca is still against himself claiming, which doesn't make sense for a neutral. It's the start of a pattern of him being against himself claiming this game.
I am the other color changer. Neither of us are evil. I'm orange and he's gold, and we're both heralds of the same super goo god thing ( would have to read the pm to see what it's really called). We're just competing for the gods favor in accomplishing it's mission of a uniform color for goo's. We are completly neutral and our win condition is to beat the other herald. Stormblind is just trying to fear monger for an easy win, I realized my options were to get him lynched/vigged, or try and smash his fear monger while also putting myself in the same position he was in.
Also Stormblind I'd love for you to explain to me why you frequently have told me about how I'm above average mafia player, but when I try and get you lynched you try to hit my credibility. Sup wit dat?
I mean I suppose you could be an evil herald, but that seems unlikely considering I'm not, nor does my pm say anything that would lead me to believe you are anything but my personal rival, not something everyone has to worry about.
No, upon more in depth reading, my abilities are contrary to stormblind in that sense. I get personal abilities. So his targets getting abilities seems certainly possible. I imagine Dagger designed the roles as two neutral opposites, because also players I turn orange won't be notified. I need to go recheck and see if my color can be changed, because I was surprised when SB said that, I was planning on changing his color
I don't imagine it's an ability that allows me to get more recruitments. What is it? Vig shots? Investigations? Protects? Other? Wheel of Fortune? No idea.
I meant equals in that we are kinda like "foils" I guess would be the word. One gives power to his followers, one gets powers from his followers. It's like Jedi and Sith if you throw out the good/evil connotations.
Well I'm just going to go ahead and appeal to the town here. If you guys are going to choose one of us to win, I would just like to say that I'm the guy who actually told the whole truth. There is no evil villain and we're both completely neutral.
I'm going to be honest, my parents are moving 15 hours away, and my father has already left for job related reasons. As such I am pretty much doing most of the manly jobs associated with moving to help my mother out, also my 13 year old brother is apparently a useless pansy. Did I mention I'm making what amounts to a 3 hr round trip from my apartment to their house several times a week to do this? Basically I did not know that this was going to happen, as we never expected they could sell a house in a week in this economy. So apologies to everyone buy my activity has waned. This will continue for the next two weeks until they leave.
I also have not been reading the thread at all to be honest. I'm sure there are questions for me to answer and hopefully I will do that today.
So I see it's kinda been agreed upon that i should be vigged. That's pretty lame guys, that I'm going to lose the game for helping you out. It's obvious now from a design stand point that Stormblind is lying, otherwise I'd be to powerful. He also lied about him being good and me being evil, and pretty much tried to slant you guys into making him and unneccesary evil. I then basically came out knowing that it would screw me. And this is what my honesty gets me.
If nothing else you could at least let me tie him.
Or maybe the scum could do me a favor and kill him since it will just reset the game at town vs. scum. I know thats a lot to ask for you guys to give up your advantage, but it would be cool of you.
He uses meta all the time but at the same time says meta can't be used. It's great.
But anyway, if people actually check AE meta with a non slanted view, you will see he is just a really bad town player. Like even if you aren't sure if he is scum, it would make more sense to play the percentages than to lynch him day 1.
Everytime I have seen Loran as town in recent days, he tries to rally the town and propose a plan (I think he thinks he's puzzle). I doubt as scum he'd do that, he'd probably just let the town self destruct.
I suppose I'll post like once a day to avoid prods.
Problem is people just assume he must be solid because he is Ced while they skim over his posts. And by wishy-washy I mean he gets a few targets, then piddles over which way he really wants to go. I don't find that innacurate at all.
Right, I'm a claimed neutral so my motive is to screw up your wagons Cyan. I'm surprised you jumped around the Indiana Jones point, as it is actually quite weak, you aren't playing to close to how you played there, so I expected you to jump on that. However you didn't. Guilty conscience much?
Also this:
ZOMG AE IS TOWN THIS WAGON IS ☺☺☺☺ING TERRIBLE.
I added the f word to negate the fact that I am a claimed neutral. I hope you like the touch.
BTW it should be very obvious that Cyan is trying to get the day rushed through. He has made such comments as "blah blah 300 posts in and nothing is happening (he didn't exactly do anything here)", along with using such words as stall, etc.
Remember when I was "stalling" because I refused to claim in Indiana Jones mafia? Yeah that was scum Cyan moving that to.
How can you both know it's ridiculously terrible and not know what I'm talking about?
Nobody wanted to wagon me but you drove a wagon to l-2 by proclaiming my scumminess? I'm sorry but I'm still drawing parallels and you are talking out of your backside with "no one wanted to wagon you". You got a bunch of bored players to vote for me just like here you are getting a bunch of bored players to vote for obv town AE.
Or you could just lynch the maybe scum and keep the obv town instead of trying to build a false case. As a matter of fact, you have several times that I can tell painted AE incorrectly (that OMGUS thing being the most recent example), and the constant "he's town" from Cyan doesn't make me any easier about you. If I used FOS's I'd give you one.
Hey look, the classic scum Cyan under slight pressure tactic of discrediting the attacker. Like I said, I find the similarities in the way the wagon formed, plus, and more importantly, you are obviously antsy about moving the game along. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure when someone doesn't understand something their baseline response isnt' "oh it must be terrible so I'm not going to respond". No, the baseline scum response is to ignore. I know, my basic scum play is lurk and avoid things as much as possible. I have been quite successful and know exactly how it works. Plus you aren't exactly the type of person to not say something is terrible, so you being quiet doesn't make sense. You can't both not know what I'm talking about, and know it's terrible. Maybe different if you had said "I don't know what he's talking about, but I assumed it was terrible". Nope.
Like honestly, if the town lets him get away with "kpaca is bitter so he wants me lynched", then I have legitamately lost all faith in town players on this site and pray that i am scum from every game from here to eternity. I have exploited the town with extreme ease in the majority of my scum games as well as my sole other neutral game, and it's crap like this that is the cause of it. One or two players say the same thing over and over and everyone just turns zombie and moves along. Ridonkulous.
You know what Cyan, you are right. I should just accept my fate and ride of a bitter old man into the sunset.
Enjoy your win.
Good luck town.
See you guys in 60ish hours before I get prodded.
Hope you guys feel like looking into Cyan though. However, when I think about it, while arguing with Cyan certainltly isn't something I'm afraid of, arguing with someone is going to use mostly ad hom and implying you are dumb and or being bitter (which I take a personal offense to sir, I value sportsmanship very highly) is more work than I am going to do considering I gain nothing from you guys winning. I hope you do, because I'm tired of seeing towns crash and burn, but whatever.
Whenever I go to use it these days, i remove it and replace it with :cool2:. All the smugness none of the lame douchey feel to it.
And I'm being bitter in that I am doing the opposite of what I would want to happen were I town, therefore helping wreck them because I am bitter they are shooting me.
You could A.) Lynch him now and get no investigation information.
or
B.) Lynch him tomorrow and get his investigation ability. If he is dead scum then it doesn't matter either way. If he is dead town you have cleared or condemned someone.
@Axel: Cyan wouldnt' WIFOM himself to death either, he just wants to kill AE asap.
A lot of people's alignments depend on AE? Wat. Also how do you know we will mislynch if we don't lynch AE? Are you bussing your buddy? You seem way to sure AE is lying. So does Cyan for that matter.
Here Cyan, here is a wonderful quote from Loran I hope you take the time to read and actually think about. Maybe if we're lucky you will even apply some logic to it.
I literally cannot see Cyan being so illogical as town. I would now suggest everyone do something they should have been doing, and just ignore everything Cyan has to say on the matter, as it is either scum based or simply heinously wrong. It is obvious that the right choice is lynch AE tomorrow.
Cyan I appear to be being to subtle in what I'm doing, so let me tell you. I'm ignoring you because it is obvious to me you are scum, and your behavior aggravates me so I'd rather not bother dealing with it. Instead I will just point out your scummy posts to everyone and they can go from there.
14. Xyre, Doctor (Mafia), lynched, day 1
6. DYH, Townie (Town), stabbed in the back, night 1
13. ~Tilde~, Nurse (Town), eaten, night 1
2. ZeDorkSlipeur, Townie (Town), shot through the head, night 1
12. Archmage Eternal, Townie (Town), lynched, day 2
7. Roja, Serial Killer (Town), shot though the head, night 2
15. SilkyJohnson, Townie (Town), shot though the head, night 2
21. ced395, Townie (Town), shot through the head, night 2
3. Skander, Prisoner (SK), lynched, day 3
5. Zindabad replacing Cantripmancer, Insane Cop (Town), committed suicide, night 3
8. help im a bug, Hitman (Mafia), shot through the head, night 3
1. Nom_Anor replacing Emo Pinata, Townie (Town), lynched, day 4 10. Cyan, Backup Cop (Town), committed suicide, night 4
19. Charm_Master3125, Drug Dealer (Town), lynched, day 5
16. Infinis, FBI-Agent (SK), committed suicide, night 5
20. jskura replacing MTG Junkie, Townie (Town), shot through the head, night 5
17. Creampuffeater, Jail Keeper (Town), lynched, day 6
11. Iago replacing Bilbroxain, replacing Deaths_Vampire, Townie (Town), killed in endgame
18. bman65 replacing Wrath_of_DoG, Townie (Town), killed in endgame
22. Gamerz replacing StormBlind, Townie (Town), killed in endgame
That's not the reason I want to lynch you. And at this point I am resigned to the fact that I am not going to win but am having fun helping the town; despite whatever cyan says.
Using meta to observe tells and behavior patterns of a particular player is legit.
Using meta as a defense in most cases isn't. This is one of them. Zajnet is trying to just throw a blanket defense up with "read a town game I play the same". Hardly.
You have now jumped on pretty much every single major wagon. And I say jumped because you did not start the zajnet wagon. You were vote 4. If anything I started that wagon.
"Oh I said an incorrect statement but don't worry it doesn't matter."
Like seriously, I throw my hands in the air and give up with you guys. We went within 2 votes of taking zajnet to the house, and now we are lynching loran. *throws up hands in disgust*
I think you guys should makes Stormblind prove that the people whose color he has changed have gained some sort of bonus. Because frankly he is lying, and you guys should stop giving him kudos for being the one who lied to you.
I did actually gain an ability thanks to changing another players color. I'm not going to discusss what it is.
Honestly, I at least want you guys to win, so if you aren't going to vig Stormblind tonight which would both prevent you from having this neutral situation, and prevent me from losing, go ahead.
You mean the dedication where I wasted my time ammasing the highest post count on day 1? Or the dedication where I told the truth about my role, which you still have not? Or what about the fact I actually tried to help them, instead of sitting here with my neutral finger up my butt trying to lie them into letting me target them? Hey I know, maybe I'll make a post to discredit my competitor for no reason just like I did at the beginning of the game in order to get an advantage.
I am no longer having fun with this game, and that's sad because this is the first game that has happened to me.
Great defense. Thing is you shouldn't have even had to respond, since we didn't say anything. Instead you tried to just take a pot shot at the both of us.
It's so painfully obvious you are scum, from your lack of usefullness to the town too your cockamimi idea that people should now claim at L-4. I have recently been convinced you are smarter than that sort of idea, so my only conclusion remaining is to vote you.
It says that I've been completely honest the whole time, and was smarter than the rest of you when I told you all SB was probably lying.
Also I think I didn't send a night action last night, because of internet troubles.
I'm think I'm going to continue not posting while Cyan and company continue to lead the town into the ground. Hopefully soon enough I'll get one more goo than SB so I can actually win.
Let me just ask you, what do you hope to gain by rereading the claimed neutral who has done his absolute best to be snarky and discontent with his position?
Yeah and this guys is still completely scum. Like this post, among others, provides approximately zero use in the direction of scum hunting. He can't even muster up a vote. Everyone should vote AI now.
Yes, I'm the SK and that's why I killed someone every night, and I'm totally not making people orange goo, even though people keep dying and turning up orange goo.
ATTENTION SCUM! If there are three of you, vote: no lynch and I will also vote no lynch, then we will have half the votes, stall out the day until no lynch, and then you guys get a free kill for the win. Then I also win. In return for me doing this I just ask that one of you volunteer to be orange to solidify my victory over stormblind. Thank you.
I forgot to send a target one night so I'm a bit worried I'm just "even" with stormblind at the moment. Basically tonight I'll win because I'll get a target. I mean you guys could lynch me, but with 3 scum left you'd lose after they kill tonight.
Even so, our four could just trade one for one with your four, and the likelyhood is we hit the SK before it gets down to the SK and me. I could also turn us all orange and we'd get a lot more powerful.
Assuming there is three scum, I refuse to hammer either of those guys. And if they're both scum they're not getting hammered by a scum buddy in this situation. We stall and win again!
Sorry, but when I look at the sure win, or the maybe win, I would like to go with the sure win.
If that makes me the most hated guy in mafia these days, well it's yet to bother me to this point. I always liked Rodman better than MJ anyway. By any means necessary.
Way I see it the only way I lose is if the scum use their NK tonight on me. While this is unlikely regardless, it's pretty much 100% not going to happen if I side with them.
Yes I am so scummy you should lynch me because I'm obviously scum and this is the greatest gambit ever.
So, you focus points that pick apart that post, but that post isn't really that scummy?
So where are the scummy posts that make up the meat of the line? If I were town I'd literally vote you right now, as that is the most contrived case I've ever seen. I'm close to convinced you are scum and thought that would be a good way to push through the final lynch (I'm sure you can swing AI/AE with you real quick).
Honestly you would have been 8 times more pro-town if you'd just voted and not even said why.
Just got a project at work so I'm going to be busy for the rest of my shift. Was hoping to get this done at work, but will try to finish it up today. Please read this if you are town. I'll add notes to the rest later in another post. Here's the thing I really want you guys to read, so I'll put it out here.
So? Are you telling me you think he is scum for that vote? Pshah.
Anyway, to expound upon what I was saying earlier. If you notice, Stormblind is doing the same sort of sell bilbro attempted in ghost town, albeit he is doing it better that bilbroxain. What he did was (with what I presume is an anti-town role), claim early to try and establish his towniness, and then he proceeded to in several other posts refer to himself and his role as town at every possible oppurtunity to passively make it secure in the other players minds that he's being honest and trustworthy. The way he quickly turned on someone with one vote on him supports this idea to me. I was okay with letting this happen in Ghost Town, because I was scum and bilbo had no realistic chance of duping me and Seppell, so we let him shoot at will to speed up our victory. I'm not willing to let that happen in this game though.
unvote: Vote Stormblind
Sticks up for Zinda when Syrenz questions him. So Kpaca...you had Zinda figured out as scum for sure by post 108? Must be nice being you.
Even as he bounced, there was an aura of wistfulness surrounding Keifru.
He knew what was coming.
The arguments began to dwindle around him.
For a single quiet instant, the only sound was that of his bouncing.
bounce
bounce
You tensed.
Keifru bounced up.
You lunged.
SLAM!!
It was a bounce that was never finished.
Keifru was flattened against the wall.
A gasp.
A whimper.
A soft chuckle.
You were throttling him.
You snarled.
SLAM!!
SLAM!!
SLAM!!
More Goo joined in.
You felt yourself flattened against Keifru.
A mob was forming.
A lynch was occurring.
There was rage.
Oh, but there was a frenzied rage.
Your misgivings of yesterday had vanished.
All that remained was white hot rage.
That you had to endure this torment.
Goo by Goo, your number dwindled.
You wanted it to end.
You needed it to end.
Limbs reached out.
Pressure exerted.
Clawing.
Ripping.
Tearing.
Pieces by pieces.
Keifru continued to wheeze out in laughter even as he was being torn apart.
A gurgling that slowly dwindled.
To nothingness.
The rage remained.
The end must be in sight.
It must.
For was it not that it was justified?
Keifru - Silver Goo, The Goop (Mafia) has been lynched.
Perfectly justified.
You went to rest for the night.
The rage continued to smoulder.
Even as you rest, you dreamed of violent clashes of colors.
Of a primeval battle fought between two teams of ancient foes.
And in the midst of it all, a Green Goo made its mark upon the Game.
Every beginning must have an ending.
And the ending is nigh.
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So...I was obviously wrong about AE, but as I said earlier him being scum was heavily dependent on Kpaca turning up scum.
Kpaca- might still be scum, but I'm definitely having second thoughts given that he just hammered Keifru. Given that he did that I'm very willing to look other places today personally. If he isn't lying, this will give him another day to recruit someone else tonight and that should cement your win correct Kpaca?
Did a reread of DM/Keifru. The people that it makes look bad are zebi mostly, with like one post each for Kpaca and tacky. He mentions AI somewhat frequently, but I feel like the scum have been trying to get rid of AI this game rather then trying to bus him. I really don't think Keifru would go after AI that hard in lylo if he was scum. That plus Zinda also wanted AI's head on a platter.
Sooo...analysis of the Keifru wagon indicates that unless you think the last three scum were Keifru, tacky, and me then at least one scum was on his wagon. The people that were on both wagons were Zebi, t3, and Kpaca. Personally I think Zebi might be our best bet.
Tacky: I said it at the end of yesterday and I don't want it getting forgotten. You haven't really been posting much content since you wagoned Zinda. If your town please post more. If not keep at things the way you have been so its obvious that you bussed a buddy and then went into coast mode.
Kpaca: Like I said, I don't want to lynch you today. I would like you to answer my question about why you pushed people away from voting Zinda in post 108 however.
Right now I think the scum are two of the three: Zebi, tacky, kpaca.
Okay...now that all said. Obviously I look terrible for yesterday. Instead of trying to pretend it didn't happen I would like to put it out in the open and get it over with. I'm sure the scum would be happy to push a quick wagon on me if they can. If you want me lynched start arguing for it now. If I'm going to be lynched I want it to be something that the town can use for information later when I turn up town.
I agree. As I stated yesterday, I'm pretty sure that the entire AI wagon outed our scum. I think the news that Kpaca was going to side with the scum and hammer AI whenever lead to overeager actions by the scum team. My highest remaining suspects are Zebi, T3 and you, because I can't dismiss your actions at the end of day yesterday.
Tacky: I said it at the end of yesterday and I don't want it getting forgotten. You haven't really been posting much content since you wagoned Zinda. If your town please post more. If not keep at things the way you have been so its obvious that you bussed a buddy and then went into coast mode.
I dunno why you think I haven't been posting, I've been around every day and shared all the content I can. I was distracted for a few days by moving, and that may have cut into my gameplay for a short bit, but for the most part I've been a pretty solid provider. I wasn't adding any more content at the end of yesterday because I had said everything that needed to be said, I explained my scum-AI-train theory, and that's what I'm sticking to with the lynch result. Like AE yesterday, I just had nothing more to say.
Kpaca: Like I said, I don't want to lynch you today. I would like you to answer my question about why you pushed people away from voting Zinda in post 108 however.
Something of note here, and I think it may be a scum slip, but it's minor. The post you quoted, where Kpaca was defending Zindabad against Syrenz, Syrenz was scum. He was replaced by PRox, who was scum. Your points against Kpaca seem to lean in the direction that you're siding a bit with Syrenz, but there's more information to be had from why Kpaca was defending scum from scum. Honestly, I'm not sure why. I need to think about it a bit more, but I thought I'd point out that fact.
Okay...now that all said. Obviously I look terrible for yesterday. Instead of trying to pretend it didn't happen I would like to put it out in the open and get it over with. I'm sure the scum would be happy to push a quick wagon on me if they can. If you want me lynched start arguing for it now. If I'm going to be lynched I want it to be something that the town can use for information later when I turn up town.
Ugh. It's WIFOM, but I think this is a townie statement. It's just gut though, as you could easily be gambiting scum, but I don't think that scum would put themselves out there like this so close to the end. You had some scummy actions at the end of the day yesterday, such as defending Keifru, pushing for an AE lynch and distracting from a scum wagon in general, but I've seen you play as misguided townie a couple of times now, so this isn't totally uncommon for your town play. I feel obligated to consider you a suspect this close to the end, but I would feel better pursuing someone else. I've had a fairly town read on you all game, but nobody gets a free pass.
Current scum/townlist (not including myself): Zebi, T3, Falkonn/Kpaca, AI
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I like the lynch Zebi plan. More later.
Of course, that would be the reason that my action didn't work on you last night :rolleyes:.
I should have figured that you were just going to claim RB yet again and stick with your story that it's the RB making you untargetable, but I figured I could catch you in a lie. It makes me sad that you don't seem to have a chance of getting lynched.
@falkonn: I think you were a bit scummy for your actions yesterday but I don't think you're scum because there's no place for you being scum.
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AI -wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole right now personally. Especially since I realized that if he is scum, the rest of the scum team is a combination of two of the four of AE, tacky, kpaca (would be the same trick he tried to keep powerrox93 from getting lynched)and me. There is much less reason to bus early in the day today as the town needs all five votes to win. I'm not counting it out, but I don't think AI is scum so it doesn't really matter.
Tacky- Not interested in lynching tacky today either. He might have just been bussing Zinda, but overall he's seemed town to me. Plus that would be a mega bus that he pulled on Zinda.
Top3- Seems fine overall. Not interested in lynching him today either.
Keifru- Really tried to get AI lynched. Replaced DM who was lurky. However, his posts haven't really reaked of scumminess. Not willing to lynch today personally (but I understand why he's being discussed).
Zebi- Has been lurky. Hasn't contributed much. His unvote on AI bought him some townie points. Easily the scummiest person I am unwilling to lynch today.
AE- Kpaca reread makes you look bad, and you are acting like his scumbuddy right now trying to deflect for him and requesting his presence after I tell you why your argument is bad.
Kpaca- Because of what I said yesterday. Full reread coming later with some interesting bits.
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We were supposed to lynch you the next day so we could figure out if we could trust your result or not, but that never happened.
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My response:
Nu-uh!!
They hate us cause they ain't us.
The rest of you realize the reality which is I am neutral, and if you lynch me today you lose. Hooray!
Don't think so. In fact your only vote on D1 was on Zajnet unless I missed something.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Only one person is advocating your lynch. Yeah its obvious if your not scum we lose. It doesn't look like the path we're going down. Just have to get falkonn to realize that.
So falkonn you have no intentions of lynching anyone other than kpaca today by the way you have your list. Well besides me I guess since you didn't say that.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If you believe you need to change someones color tonight, why side with scum and end the game now?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
My preferences:
1.) Game ends now, 90% win chance
2.) Game goes on, so I side with scum for the 100% win chance.
No where in there does game continues, 90% chance of winning with town, appear. Like I said, to be fair to the town I'll lynch keifru though.
Its got to be 50/50 you winning if game ends now. Your either one up on SB or not.
Game goes on it makes no difference in the world what faction wins. Your win con is meet. Correct?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I hope you get it cause I don't care to explain it anymore.
Yeah fine thats what I wanted to hear because you lied earlier saying you didn't think you were beating him. No need to explain anything more, just wanted you to be logical.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I don't get how you are reaching that conclusion with his scumbuddies?
And I agree with the others that you're kpaca push is bad.
Game is dragging. I've said my piece on AI, it's there for whoever is interested in it. Now I just want the game to end. Let's just lynch whoever we are lynching and get on with it.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I have no problem voting for keifru if that's what's decided.
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I don't think killing Keifru is the right move for today. You guys are going to have to do it without me.
I find it humorous that I have to do a pbpa on someone that has argued for the lynch of known townies every chance he can get, has argued against the lynch of two known scum, and to top it all off has acted scummy over and over again. I don't have time to do it right now, but it will be going up soon. I pulled all the posts up yesterday so all I have to do is put commentary in now. Kpaca is the smart lynch for the day.
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Your probably right. D1 was a long time ago and I haven't been rereading myself.
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kpaca has been completely anti-town. Yes we know that. But we also know that the most logical conclusion is that he is simply a neutral. If he is somehow scum, then a) he has played it very convincingly, showing constantly how little he cares and b) had help from a bastard mod since SB said he had a rival.
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I know it's hard to imagine considering how inept the town has been at doing that. But really even if I think I caught scum there was no reason during the entire game to help the town, since they had agreed to kill me. Since I realized early on that you guy's were pretty happy to vig me, that my best bet was to not make myself any sort of threat to the scum/SK at all. As such I have played the whole game as if I were on their team, and hilariously that made you guys do the opposite of vigging me. Sorry.
Over the last few days I haven't posted. This has done nothing to help savage our win. I hope people realize now that a sudden increase in posting is me trying to help us win, rather than sit here and do nothing.
I don't see how kpaca can be scum. Didn't SB explicitly say he had a rival? Scum cult seems pretty awful for us. He's played the game so scummy because he simply doesn't care. I don't want to keep him alive, but we don't really have a choice.
Keifru has somewhat dissapeared, it seems. Which I would argue is pro-scum, rather than pro-town, as per he is not able to help the town when he is not here. I would be okay with seeing him lynched, but I don't know how close we are to lynching him at the moment. I feel that people still have things to say for today, and so I will reserve my vote until then.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Kpaca: lol. Yeah, I don't think so. You didn't just fight scum wagons, you pushed all those townie wagons too. So your saying that before the townies were lynched that you knew they were townie too? Must be nice being psychic. Seriously town, can we lynch him yet?
AE: You are doing nothing but reinforcing my read on you right now. So you think...
-Kpaca is a bad idea and people shouldn't look into him too hard.
-Lynching Keifru is a good idea (what exactly is the case against him again?)
-And you don't have anything else to say, which implies your ready to end the day. I read that last point as trying to hurry the town along.
I should have time tomorrow to post my long Kpaca pbpa.
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I am Lime.
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For once, I'd like someone to use meta on me: Look at any and all the other games I've been in/currently in.
I don't like lurking. At all. I would also say I'm not exactly much help because I'm coming in with a huge 1600 post slab of meat slapping me in the face.
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
How am I supposed to convince people Kpaca is scummier then you when you act like that? Honestly it makes even me want to vote you.
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Just double-checking.
If this is correct, StormBlind currently has a 2-1 lead over kpaca.
Also, we have four claimed investigative roles including dead vezokpiraka. Hmm.
kpaca, would you be willing to side with the town if I change my color to Orange? You should probably consider that under a mislynch endgame scenario, you might lose an Orange Goo which would cause you to lose the game. Also, I think I would bodyguard you should the scum try to NK you.
Of note: kpaca's ability redirected the vig shot to Talore, but StormBlind didn't seem to give his followers any abilities. However, StormBlind seemed to be able to change AE's color in the middle of Day One.
What I don't understand is how people knew that they became Gold considering the following exchange occurred:
Something's not right here.
Still working on the reread, I keep getting distracted.
EWP: falkonn's last post made me :raise:.
Keifru (3) - Archmage Eternal, TACKY, Top3ReasonsWhy
AsianInvasion (2) - Keifru, kpaca
kpaca (1) - falkonn
With 8 Goo alive, it’s 5 Goo to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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Right. Where were you D1 when I wanted to get rid of them?
Yes good idea.
Yes ready to end the day. Hurry the town? Whats been happening lately that inplies the day should continue? Give people more time to lurk? If I wanted to hurry the day along I would have put my vote back on AI so kpaca could hammer.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Your way off AI. Plus I'm not gold. Hope you didn't do this on purpose.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Vote Keifru
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My interpretation is that the neutrals' win cons only count the number of living Goo whose colors have been changed.
You definitely said that you turned Gold. Were you lying?
Also, does anyone remember the last time TACKY gave us some content? You bored or something TACKY?
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I swear I'm not going crazy.
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Tells people not to target Vezok, which would effectively neuter his role. Puts suspicion on Bilbro (now T3).
Sticks up for Zinda when Syrenz questions him. So Kpaca...you had Zinda figured out as scum for sure by post 108? Must be nice being you.
Is already against claiming. This makes sense in the early game, but kpaca is still against himself claiming, which doesn't make sense for a neutral. It's the start of a pattern of him being against himself claiming this game.
Just got a project at work so I'm going to be busy for the rest of my shift. Was hoping to get this done at work, but will try to finish it up today. Please read this if you are town. I'll add notes to the rest later in another post. Here's the thing I really want you guys to read, so I'll put it out here.
Sticks up for Zinda when Syrenz questions him. So Kpaca...you had Zinda figured out as scum for sure by post 108? Must be nice being you.
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unvote: Vote Keifru.
I'm not even going to read/respond to that btw.
Keifru (5) - Archmage Eternal, TACKY, Top3ReasonsWhy, Zebi, kpaca
AsianInvasion (1) - Keifru
kpaca (1) - falkonn
With 8 Goo alive, it’s 5 Goo to Lynch.
As of this post, a Lynch has occurred.
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bounce
bounce
Even as he bounced, there was an aura of wistfulness surrounding Keifru.
He knew what was coming.
The arguments began to dwindle around him.
For a single quiet instant, the only sound was that of his bouncing.
bounce
bounce
You tensed.
Keifru bounced up.
You lunged.
SLAM!!
It was a bounce that was never finished.
Keifru was flattened against the wall.
A gasp.
A whimper.
A soft chuckle.
You were throttling him.
You snarled.
SLAM!!
SLAM!!
SLAM!!
More Goo joined in.
You felt yourself flattened against Keifru.
A mob was forming.
A lynch was occurring.
There was rage.
Oh, but there was a frenzied rage.
Your misgivings of yesterday had vanished.
All that remained was white hot rage.
That you had to endure this torment.
Goo by Goo, your number dwindled.
You wanted it to end.
You needed it to end.
Limbs reached out.
Pressure exerted.
Clawing.
Ripping.
Tearing.
Pieces by pieces.
Keifru continued to wheeze out in laughter even as he was being torn apart.
A gurgling that slowly dwindled.
To nothingness.
The rage remained.
The end must be in sight.
It must.
For was it not that it was justified?
Keifru - Silver Goo, The Goop (Mafia) has been lynched.
Perfectly justified.
You went to rest for the night.
The rage continued to smoulder.
Even as you rest, you dreamed of violent clashes of colors.
Of a primeval battle fought between two teams of ancient foes.
And in the midst of it all, a Green Goo made its mark upon the Game.
Every beginning must have an ending.
And the ending is nigh.
~~~~~
It is now Night 5.
Action choices have to be submitted by PM before 72 hours have lapsed. Night 5 will end when all action choices have been resolved. No posting in the game thread during the Night phase.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
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Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
RIP Krensae Fluidtail: Sleep well with the fish
A sea of Green.
Celebrating.
And in the midst of it all, a Green Goo stood smugly.
A new era had dawned.
There were whoops of joy of a victory earned.
There were screams of elation that rumbled throughout the masses.
Long endless wail of the pained and dying.
The stink of flesh being consumed by flames.
You jolted up.
Startled.
Looked around wildly.
A new day had dawned.
You almost despaired at not seeing it again.
The sound of explosion.
The feeling of a shockwave reverberating through you.
The sudden ceasing of the scream.
It was relatively close this time.
You darted into action.
Around you, the others did the same.
The scene of the crime was similar again.
A scorched spot littered flaming pieces of Goo flesh.
Hesitantly, you checked for the identity of the perished.
Archmage Eternal – Gold Goo, The InvestiGootor (Town) has been killed.
Another had fallen.
Around you were five others.
Out of more than twenty, you were reduced to six.
But if there were still six, then the mysterious second death was missing.
A boon or a curse?
You pondered as you exchanged glances with the others.
Almost assuredly, your number would be reduced further.
Time to string another Goo up.
~~~~~
It is now Day 6.
With 6 Goo alive, it’s 4 Goo to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Kpaca- might still be scum, but I'm definitely having second thoughts given that he just hammered Keifru. Given that he did that I'm very willing to look other places today personally. If he isn't lying, this will give him another day to recruit someone else tonight and that should cement your win correct Kpaca?
Did a reread of DM/Keifru. The people that it makes look bad are zebi mostly, with like one post each for Kpaca and tacky. He mentions AI somewhat frequently, but I feel like the scum have been trying to get rid of AI this game rather then trying to bus him. I really don't think Keifru would go after AI that hard in lylo if he was scum. That plus Zinda also wanted AI's head on a platter.
Sooo...analysis of the Keifru wagon indicates that unless you think the last three scum were Keifru, tacky, and me then at least one scum was on his wagon. The people that were on both wagons were Zebi, t3, and Kpaca. Personally I think Zebi might be our best bet.
Tacky: I said it at the end of yesterday and I don't want it getting forgotten. You haven't really been posting much content since you wagoned Zinda. If your town please post more. If not keep at things the way you have been so its obvious that you bussed a buddy and then went into coast mode.
Kpaca: Like I said, I don't want to lynch you today. I would like you to answer my question about why you pushed people away from voting Zinda in post 108 however.
Right now I think the scum are two of the three: Zebi, tacky, kpaca.
Okay...now that all said. Obviously I look terrible for yesterday. Instead of trying to pretend it didn't happen I would like to put it out in the open and get it over with. I'm sure the scum would be happy to push a quick wagon on me if they can. If you want me lynched start arguing for it now. If I'm going to be lynched I want it to be something that the town can use for information later when I turn up town.
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I agree. As I stated yesterday, I'm pretty sure that the entire AI wagon outed our scum. I think the news that Kpaca was going to side with the scum and hammer AI whenever lead to overeager actions by the scum team. My highest remaining suspects are Zebi, T3 and you, because I can't dismiss your actions at the end of day yesterday.
I dunno why you think I haven't been posting, I've been around every day and shared all the content I can. I was distracted for a few days by moving, and that may have cut into my gameplay for a short bit, but for the most part I've been a pretty solid provider. I wasn't adding any more content at the end of yesterday because I had said everything that needed to be said, I explained my scum-AI-train theory, and that's what I'm sticking to with the lynch result. Like AE yesterday, I just had nothing more to say.
Something of note here, and I think it may be a scum slip, but it's minor. The post you quoted, where Kpaca was defending Zindabad against Syrenz, Syrenz was scum. He was replaced by PRox, who was scum. Your points against Kpaca seem to lean in the direction that you're siding a bit with Syrenz, but there's more information to be had from why Kpaca was defending scum from scum. Honestly, I'm not sure why. I need to think about it a bit more, but I thought I'd point out that fact.
Ugh. It's WIFOM, but I think this is a townie statement. It's just gut though, as you could easily be gambiting scum, but I don't think that scum would put themselves out there like this so close to the end. You had some scummy actions at the end of the day yesterday, such as defending Keifru, pushing for an AE lynch and distracting from a scum wagon in general, but I've seen you play as misguided townie a couple of times now, so this isn't totally uncommon for your town play. I feel obligated to consider you a suspect this close to the end, but I would feel better pursuing someone else. I've had a fairly town read on you all game, but nobody gets a free pass.
Current scum/townlist (not including myself): Zebi, T3, Falkonn/Kpaca, AI
I'm spending the rest of the night getting wasted, but tomorrow I plan on posting some of yesterday's Zebi moments. Expect a mini case tomorrow night.
I like the lynch Zebi plan. More later.
Tried to turn him orange last night. Was stopped.
Of course, that would be the reason that my action didn't work on you last night :rolleyes:.
I should have figured that you were just going to claim RB yet again and stick with your story that it's the RB making you untargetable, but I figured I could catch you in a lie. It makes me sad that you don't seem to have a chance of getting lynched.
@falkonn: I think you were a bit scummy for your actions yesterday but I don't think you're scum because there's no place for you being scum.