All cards are black bordered and tournament legal. This means that these cards are legal for use in any tournaments where the original printings are still legal. For some cards, it is their first time with a black border.
the bold part got me thinking...
i hope for some $$ worthy legends in this one ( like Exiled/artifacts) and fun to play (ertai is great leak card! ) half of them new art also, wow
definately a buy
Yeah as others have said the announcement reads that some of the cards will be in black border for the first time; and Xiahou Dun being in here would make the price skyrocket like other FTVs so I'm hoping Xiahou Dun is in here. Also because I know a place where I can get this for MSRP so I want it to have good quality P3K legends. A black bordered Xiahou Dun foiled would be hot as hell too especially if it had alternate art.
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Despite my earlier post (and Dio reminding people of it), I feel that I need to elaborate on the lists of potential cards that could be reprinted in this set since people haven't been following the links. I would also love to suggest that this info could be referred to in the OP to avoid the same comments all throughout this thread.
Karn, Silver Golem was printed in FTVR in 2010 prior to Wizards amending their Official Reprint Policy. Please read the policy before making comments about Karn. With the existing Reprint Policy, Karn, Silver Golem CANNOT be printed in FTVL.
12 Legendary Creatures that would be a bit silly if printed in a limited edition set such as FTVL
Isamaru, Hound of Konda is the only card on this list that might have some "appeal". One has to remember that although the cards in this set make great EDH/Commander material, they aren't technically being marketed as such. The desire of posters to keep thinking of this set as "From The Vaults: Favourite Commander Generals We All Want" seems to drive some of the wishlists. Regardless, Isamaru would be a let down given all the other non-vanilla options available.
3 Legendary Creatures in Un-sets that cannot be printed in black borders due to their "Un" nature.
No amount of convincing will lead me to believe that these cards stand a chance. They cannot be printed in a black border now (or possibly ever) otherwise they would become tournament legal.
33 Legendary Creatures already reprinted in From The Vaults, Premium Deck Series, Duel Decks, Planechase, Archenemy, Duels of the Planeswalkers and Prerelease Events
Now, there will be arguments for and against why Wizards would reprint one of these 33 cards. I have made certain assumptions when it comes to these cards based on current knowledge
In a similar manner reprinting cards previously printed in a Premium Deck Series would be silly since they exist with the unique PDS foiling process (which is coincidently different than the FTV process). This includes Jaya Ballard, Task Mage and Sliver Overlord
Duels of the Planeswalkers was a starter level release to coincide with the digital games and gave us three legendary creature reprints. These have reminder text on them (where necessary) and therefore have potential to be reprinted with the FTV treatment. They are Ascendant Evincar, Kamahl, Pit Fighter and Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer however Molimo was not printed in foil while Kamahl and Evincar were. Unfortunately though all three of them have had multiple printings (see below)
We are finally left with all the Duel Decks, Archenemy and Planechase reprints of which only Akroma, Angel of Wrath was reprinted in alternate art foil versions. One can argue that all of these could get the FTV treatment or one could argue that they've been reprinted already (albeit not in foil) and therefore should not be in FTVL.
Multiple Printings
To top it all off, some of these have been printed more than once within the above list making them even less likely to be reprinted in FTVL.
This list of 31 has been covered extensively by Sacramento Tzar in his P3K Legends Post so I shall refer you to his/her post for a detailed analysis. My only addition is to mention that the Lu Bu, Master-at-Arms Prerelease Promos with different dates on them had the same art and were non-foil white bordered cards. So I would not assume to exclude him from the potential FTVL list.
Of those 221, 32 Legendary Creatures have already been discussed in one of the above sections and appear in the spoiler tags below. These are repeats of some mentioned above but it was difficult for me to remove them from the MagicCards.info filter. I have also added the following cards to that list
Great post.
I would quibble on the 'already being reprinted' thing. It does certainly hold some weight, but Sundering Titan was in archenemy AND FTV:Relics.
I don't think they will have legends in the Commander decks that are in the FTV decks though.
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33 Legendary Creatures already reprinted in From The Vaults, Premium Deck Series, Duel Decks, Planechase, Archenemy, Duels of the Planeswalkers and Prerelease Events
Now, there will be arguments for and against why Wizards would reprint one of these 33 cards. I have made certain assumptions when it comes to these cards based on current knowledge
I think you've done a fine job for the most part, but there is precedent that some of these assumptions are off
We are finally left with all the Duel Decks, Archenemy and Planechase reprints of which only Akroma, Angel of Wrath was reprinted in alternate art foil versions. One can argue that all of these could get the FTV treatment or one could argue that they've been reprinted already (albeit not in foil) and therefore should not be in FTVL.
Sundering Titan was in Archenemy and then put in FTV: Relics (EDIT, Seds beat me to it), I could see Memnarch get the same treatment, especially now that the EDH rules changed for him to be legal.
Multiple Printings
To top it all off, some of these have been printed more than once within the above list making them even less likely to be reprinted in FTVL.
See Shivan Dragon. If they go with someone who's been around, new art would add the wow factor to justify it. Also, it looks like were are getting Bogardan Hellkite as the foil in the Dragons v. Knight DD.
Doran, the Siege Tower for having a Champs Full Art Promo Brion Stoutarm for having a Resale Promo
And the 5 wedge-coloured dragons from Planar Chaos (as they are being reprinted in the Commander decks)
I agree the wedge dragons are very unlikely, but Niv-Mizzet had a Champ's card and that didn't stop him.
I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that this is a Commander FTV. Where does it say that? It doesn't. It's reasonable to assume the at least some of the cards will be included for flavor, storyline or tournament reasons. Also Uril isn't a shoe-in just because it's a good/popular general.
Also, just because some of the P3K legends "suck" doesn't mean they'll be excluded at all. I mean, Kird Ape was in FTV:Exiled and people whined.
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After reading all your posts and thinking about come Juicy set of 15 Unigue Legends i decide about my list. Here it is:
1. Teferi, mage of zhalfir (new art...)
2. Myojin of Life's Web (indestructible+really green ability)
3. Visara, the dreadful (essence of black destruction)
4. Iona, shield of emeria (powerfull white legend, unique ability + Angel )
5. Kiki-Jiki, mirror breaker (powerful red legend, nice ability + goblin)
6. Gaddock Teeg (popular legend in alied colors)
7. Grand arbiter augustin IV (typical UW mix of control abilities)
8. Tsabo tavoc (this legend kills other legends, c'mon )
9. Ulasht, the Hate Seed (eventually Wort, the raidmother)
10. Circu, dimir lobotomist (Or Dralnu, lich lord)
11. Card from Portal 3K
12. Card z Portal 3K
13. Progenitus (one of the most powerfull 5C legend, unique ability and cost etc.)
14. Memnarch (The One and Only Ruler of Mirrodin, has power and flavour from Mirrodin, etc.)
15. Legend from future
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My article (and guess at a list) about FTV: Legends is now up over at GatheringMagic.
I don't think this set is going to cater blatantly to commander players, since the fact that it is a bunch of special foil, new art legends caters plenty.
My list is a little iffy, I could swap out 2 to 3 cards, but I have a good feeling about the following:
I think that they need to include a 5 color legend in there, and they may just put Progenitus in. (Go big or go home, right?)
As for people naysaying on the 'value' of this box set, go check the foil values of legends. They are 4-5 times the nonfoil values, and sometimes MUCH more. These are foils too. These are certainly 'pimp' by commander standards.
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I believe at least one card will be an original legend from the set "Legends". In your list the oldest legend dates back to Invasion.
WotC, will try to showcase their entire History while complying with the reserve list. you have to go further in time when you make those lists. Don't forget a batch of legends were reprinted in Chronicles and didn't fall under the reserve list. Some of these are quite OK, if not great by Today's standards.
Very good point on the legends thing.
My original list had Xira and Merieke on it, but Rubinia is just as likely, I guess. It is kind of funny that she and Merieike have the same ability, just colorshifted to better fit the color pie in Ice Age.
Dakkon Blackblade and Sol'Kanar are the only other reprintable legends from legends I could see in there.
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I'm not sure why everyone is assuming that this is a Commander FTV. Where does it say that? It doesn't. It's reasonable to assume the at least some of the cards will be included for flavor, storyline or tournament reasons. Also Uril isn't a shoe-in just because it's a good/popular general.
Also, just because some of the P3K legends "suck" doesn't mean they'll be excluded at all. I mean, Kird Ape was in FTV:Exiled and people whined.
Okay let's get something straight with Kird Ape. For starters, a 2/3 for one mana doesn't suck. It might not be as good as it used to be "back in the day" but that is still above the curve for the average creature. Second, it was associated with a very famous deck called Zoo which still sees some play even today. Third, it had just gotten reprinted in 9th edition as an uncommon meaning there where alot of them floating around.
None of the P3K legends that are bad can say the same. Some of them are really bad mechanically and they where never associated with a famous deck so there is no reason to bring them back.
I sorta hope/think emmy will be in. thatd be a good way to show that WOTC is making this for newbies and not for commander.
I'm pretty sure WOTC is *not* making From the Vaults for newbies. 60 to 100$ (at least where I live) for 15 cards is not a product intended for new players. You want the Deckbuilder's Toolkit.
FTV is for collectors, first and foremost. We'll see old and iconic legends. Memnarch is a good guess, I'd predict Meloku the Clouded Mirror as well, and at least one of the two versions of Khamals.
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Some kind of witty comment should be here.
I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
"All cards are black bordered and tournament legal. This means that these cards are legal for use in any tournaments where the original printings are still legal. For some cards, it is their first time with a black border."
I just thought I'd throw two thoughts out there. One, this phrases is used on most/all of their other FTV products, isn't it? Is it possible that they just copied the product description and left this clause here? Second, semantically I would think this could apply to the preview card as one of the black-bordered cards. When the preview is printed, it will be its first time with a black border. I think the phrase is a little sketchy to do much speculation on.
"All cards are black bordered and tournament legal. This means that these cards are legal for use in any tournaments where the original printings are still legal. For some cards, it is their first time with a black border."
I just thought I'd throw two thoughts out there. One, this phrases is used on most/all of their other FTV products, isn't it? Is it possible that they just copied the product description and left this clause here? Second, semantically I would think this could apply to the preview card as one of the black-bordered cards. When the preview is printed, it will be its first time with a black border. I think the phrase is a little sketchy to do much speculation on.
Sword of Body and Mind was eternal legal once FTV:Relics was released.
But, if they did I would probably get out of magic again, I don't spend large investments on cards to get Yugioh'd.
Why would you invest in something that has the very real potential of being rendered absolutely worthless at the whim of someone else, and the absolute potential of being rendered approximately worthless once the game ceases production? If you're trying to invest, one would argue that there are certainly better options out there.
Furthermore, how do you see the game benefiting from restricting access to its game pieces? Wouldn't you think it would grow more if they allowed greater access to its game pieces?
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The whole notion of these legions of dedicated and same-minded Collectors who treasure the reserve list to protect their dozens of power nine sets is silly.
First of all there is only a tiny fraction of players who would identify themselves as such collectors, and secondly, it's only the P9 that matters in that way! Or maybe call it a power twenty-five or so.
They should just admit the reserve list was made for different reasons at a different time, apologize, and keep some tiny version of the list in tact.
But for goodness sake it would only be good for the game --and the value of the cards!-- if they un-reserved all the old stuff that is not broken.
Your phrasing -- "greater access to the game pieces" -- is the simplest and most persuasive way I've heard it put.
"Hey guys, let's play poker, but we can't use Jacks. I have a friend who owns an four Jacks, but since they banned Kings and Aces and Queens you can't use Jacks."
"Wanna play chess? Oh, but they stopped making Queens in 1994 so let's just play all-pawn, 'kay?"
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here is my 15 that I'm about 80% sure will be in this box set
Akroma, Angel of Wrath - Cards in this set will largely be determined by 2 factors, Ubiquity in Commander (this is easily being released as a subset suppliment to the commander precons being released this summer) and Overall popularity as a legend. Akroma has both in spades, the only real knock on her was she was recently (and by this I mean almost 2 years ago which is not very recent in magic terms) in Duel Decks: Divine vs. Demonic. However given the headliner for upcoming Duel deck: Knights vs. Dragon is very obviously Bogardan Hellkite which was also in FTV: Dragons I don't think this holds the most popular Legend ever from being in this set.
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir - After looking at the teaser art a little closer, and alot less drunk I can easily say yes this guy is in
Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed - Most people when I talk about this guy look at me funny. I think he's possibly one of the strongest MBC commanders post Braid's Banning. I don't think Horsemanship will keep him off of the set because wizards already printed him in Master's Edition 3 on Modo. The thing that will most likely keep him off of the set is his 150$ price tag, but if they want to reprint P3K cards ever they'll just have to overlook collector's inflated pricetags.
Godo, Bandit Warlord - Red doesn't offer you alot in the way of Solid Commanders, Godo is by far the best and most popular
Thelon of Havenwood - Green actually doesn't offer much in the way of iconic Legends... that haven't found their way onto the reserved list. Thelon's popularity has skyrocketed with the color identity rules change in commander.
Gerrard Capashen - Outside of Urza, you'll be very hard pressed to find a name in magic's history that carries this much weight. However I'm sure everyone will agree this will be Flat out be the worst from the vault card printed EVER (including half of the dragons in FTV: ROFLCOPTERS)
Sakashima the Imposter - Sakashima is a pretty cool dude, she clones akroma and doesn't afraid of anything. I give her the nod over Empress Galina because of another legend I'd like to see get a nod first.
Phage, the Untouchable - The antithesis of Akroma (Eff red Akroma). While her playability is only slightly higher than that of Gerrard's, she was an incredibly popular figure in post apocalypse dominaria.
Squee, Goblin Nabob - Probably the only member of the weatherlight crew that even remotely comes close to Gerrard as far as storyline importance, and general popularity. It also doesn't hurt that his card has found several gameplay uses as well.
Azusa, Lost but Seeking - She's become a rather popular General for green. and green just doesn't have alot of truely iconic legends that aren't reserved.
Captain Sisay - it's an ability that screams I'm a legend's legend, she sees some commander time, if not as a commander, as a integral part of a legend-based bant pile.
Tsabo Tavoc - The face of the Phyrexian invasion of Dominaria, and a cool legend-centric ability. This card is invaluable as a teaching tool when showing new players commander. Both in ways of giving them Commander-Control and also teaching them to not lean so heavily on their commander.
Jhoira of the Ghitu - Popular Commander, fairly intregal to the Timespiral storyline, as well as pre-apocalypse Dominiaria story. Had the Planeswalker type existed for Future Sight she would have easily been one.
Bosh, Iron Golem - Spot that would have normally gone to karn if it wasn't for that stupid reserved list. Bosh isn't any slouch either being centric to the first mirrodin storyline.
Shake Preview Card - It's Urza, and it won't make any sense except for the fact they've wanted to put urza in a for realz card (eff vanguard) for like 15 years now, but how do you do that it not read "when Urza, Planeswalking Demigod enters the battlefield you win the game" but if there is anything you can count on from Magic branding is liberal use of retcon and pigeonholing to serve a purpose.
Correct me if i'm wrong but would't you die as soon as you played Phage from the command zone? if so whats the probability of her still making the cut for Legends?
I opened one last year, got two crap worldwake packs and 8x scathe zombies, which I promptly hid around my sister's apartment for her roommates to find. But, yeah, it was a piece of crap.
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Anyone investing in a cardboard hobby game should really re-think their investments.
I mean really, why restrict the ability for players to play in legacy/eternal formats who WANT to get into it, because a few people don't want their cards they keep locked up to go down a few $ in price?
Fact is, the P9 will never be reprinted, and anyone "collecting" them wont lose any value over them, until MTG dies as a game. (the P9 are only valuable b/c people play vintage)
Hopefully the collectors realize, if they collect TOO MUCH of the P9, the portion of them in play-circulation will keep going down, less people will be able to buy them in itself, since the majority of the print will be in collections. This could cause the price of the cards to go down. If theres no supply to meet the demand, no one buys the cards, and therefore the card has less value (especially if tournaments allow X proxies in the deck).
This is the essential problem side to collecting card games. if vintage died as a format, the P9 would essentially be of no value. Would JTMS be worth $100 if there was no standard? ofc not.
I don't think that p9 is expensive because if vintage. I've only met one person who legitimately plays vintage, and it's by himself. I'm not even aware of any vintage tournaments. I think the p9 is expensive because it's the power nine, and it's a collectors item that will always bring not only nostalgia, but also the feeling of having one of THE MOST POWERFUL cards ever printed. I think that they'll be worth something even if magic as a game dies.
I've just found an art of Gerrard Capashen I'm not familiar with yet on Terese Nielsen's blog. My bet is on it's going to be in this set. Please take a look in this post, and confirm or deny my finding.
I've also attached said picture. If I shouldn't have, I'd kindly ask an admin to remove it, and my apologies to all.
Not saying it couldn't be in this set, but IIRC the art was originally for a Duelist cover.
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The whole notion of these legions of dedicated and same-minded Collectors who treasure the reserve list to protect their dozens of power nine sets is silly.
First of all there is only a tiny fraction of players who would identify themselves as such collectors, and secondly, it's only the P9 that matters in that way! Or maybe call it a power twenty-five or so.
They should just admit the reserve list was made for different reasons at a different time, apologize, and keep some tiny version of the list in tact.
But for goodness sake it would only be good for the game --and the value of the cards!-- if they un-reserved all the old stuff that is not broken.
Your phrasing -- "greater access to the game pieces" -- is the simplest and most persuasive way I've heard it put.
"Hey guys, let's play poker, but we can't use Jacks. I have a friend who owns an four Jacks, but since they banned Kings and Aces and Queens you can't use Jacks."
"Wanna play chess? Oh, but they stopped making Queens in 1994 so let's just play all-pawn, 'kay?"
Implying a COLLECTIBLE card game is anything like a game that comes with every piece from the beginning.
And if people want to play a game they have to spend money on it.
I done wanna play pokerzzzz cuz i cant afford to... so dont play. Your arguments can be used from the opposite spectrum...
Um the preview card is from "Shake" so I doubt it would have anything to do with Karn or Infect.
the bold part got me thinking...
i hope for some $$ worthy legends in this one ( like Exiled/artifacts) and fun to play (ertai is great leak card! ) half of them new art also, wow
definately a buy
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Yeah as others have said the announcement reads that some of the cards will be in black border for the first time; and Xiahou Dun being in here would make the price skyrocket like other FTVs so I'm hoping Xiahou Dun is in here. Also because I know a place where I can get this for MSRP so I want it to have good quality P3K legends. A black bordered Xiahou Dun foiled would be hot as hell too especially if it had alternate art.
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Angus Mackenzie
Asmira, Holy Avenger
Autumn Willow
Baron Sengir
Barrin, Master Wizard
Bartel Runeaxe
Boris Devilboon
Commander Greven il-Vec
Crovax the Cursed
Daughter of Autumn
Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
Ertai, Wizard Adept
Gallowbraid
General Jarkeld
Gosta Dirk
Grandmother Sengir
Gwendlyn Di Corci
Hakim, Loreweaver
Halfdane
Hazduhr the Abbot
Hazezon Tamar
Hivis of the Scale
Jacques le Vert
Karn, Silver Golem
Kaysa
Lady Caleria
Lady Evangela
Livonya Silone
Lord of Tresserhorn
Maraxus of Keld
Márton Stromgald
Morinfen
Multani, Maro-Sorcerer
Orim, Samite Healer
Phelddagrif
Purraj of Urborg
Radiant, Archangel
Ragnar
Ramses Overdark
Rashida Scalebane
Rasputin Dreamweaver
Reveka, Wizard Savant
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Rohgahh of Kher Keep
Selenia, Dark Angel
Shauku, Endbringer
Sidar Jabari
Skeleton Ship
Sliver Queen
Soraya the Falconer
Spirit of the Night
Taniwha
Telim'Tor
Tetsuo Umezawa
Tuknir Deathlock
Ur-Drago
Veldrane of Sengir
Zirilan of the Claw
Zuberi, Golden Feather
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Jasmine Boreal
Jedit Ojanen
Jerrard of the Closed Fist
Kasimir the Lone Wolf
The Lady of the Mountain
Lady Orca
Sir Shandlar of Eberyn
Sivitri Scarzam
Tobias Andrion
Torsten Von Ursus
Johnny, Combo Player
Richard Garfield, Ph.D.
Bosh, Iron Golem
Darigaaz, the Igniter
Gerrard Capashen
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician
Kaervek the Merciless
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Kuro, Pitlord
Memnarch
Razia, Boros Archangel
Reya Dawnbringer
Rith, the Awakener
Rorix Bladewing
Ryusei, the Falling Star
Treva, the Renewer
Verdeloth the Ancient
To top it all off, some of these have been printed more than once within the above list making them even less likely to be reprinted in FTVL.
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The Remaining Legendary Creatures
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Malfegor
Brion Stoutarm
Doran, the Siege Tower
Ascendant Evincar
Kamahl, Pit Fighter
Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer
Reya Dawnbringer
Korlash, Heir to Blackblade
Intet, the Dreamer
Numot, the Devastator
Oros, the Avenger
Teneb, the Harvester
Vorosh, the Hunter
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Nicol Bolas
Verdeloth the Ancient
Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
Razia, Boros Archangel
Memnarch
Bosh, Iron Golem
Bladewing the Risen
Sliver Overlord
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Rorix Bladewing
Gerrard Capashen
Darigaaz, the Igniter
Rith, the Awakener
Treva, the Renewer
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I would quibble on the 'already being reprinted' thing. It does certainly hold some weight, but Sundering Titan was in archenemy AND FTV:Relics.
I don't think they will have legends in the Commander decks that are in the FTV decks though.
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I think you've done a fine job for the most part, but there is precedent that some of these assumptions are off
Sundering Titan was in Archenemy and then put in FTV: Relics (EDIT, Seds beat me to it), I could see Memnarch get the same treatment, especially now that the EDH rules changed for him to be legal.
See Shivan Dragon. If they go with someone who's been around, new art would add the wow factor to justify it. Also, it looks like were are getting Bogardan Hellkite as the foil in the Dragons v. Knight DD.
I agree the wedge dragons are very unlikely, but Niv-Mizzet had a Champ's card and that didn't stop him.
Also, just because some of the P3K legends "suck" doesn't mean they'll be excluded at all. I mean, Kird Ape was in FTV:Exiled and people whined.
1. Teferi, mage of zhalfir (new art...)
2. Myojin of Life's Web (indestructible+really green ability)
3. Visara, the dreadful (essence of black destruction)
4. Iona, shield of emeria (powerfull white legend, unique ability + Angel )
5. Kiki-Jiki, mirror breaker (powerful red legend, nice ability + goblin)
6. Gaddock Teeg (popular legend in alied colors)
7. Grand arbiter augustin IV (typical UW mix of control abilities)
8. Tsabo tavoc (this legend kills other legends, c'mon )
9. Ulasht, the Hate Seed (eventually Wort, the raidmother)
10. Circu, dimir lobotomist (Or Dralnu, lich lord)
11. Card from Portal 3K
12. Card z Portal 3K
13. Progenitus (one of the most powerfull 5C legend, unique ability and cost etc.)
14. Memnarch (The One and Only Ruler of Mirrodin, has power and flavour from Mirrodin, etc.)
15. Legend from future
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I don't think this set is going to cater blatantly to commander players, since the fact that it is a bunch of special foil, new art legends caters plenty.
My list is a little iffy, I could swap out 2 to 3 cards, but I have a good feeling about the following:
1. Unknown “Shake” Mythic
2. Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir (new art)
3. Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero (new art)
4. Cao Cao, Lord of Wei
5. Hua Tuo, Honored Physician
6. Mirri, Cat Warrior
7. Hanna, Ship’s Navigator
8. Captain Sisay
9. Squee, Goblin Nabob (new art)
10. Memnarch
11. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
I think that they need to include a 5 color legend in there, and they may just put Progenitus in. (Go big or go home, right?)
As for people naysaying on the 'value' of this box set, go check the foil values of legends. They are 4-5 times the nonfoil values, and sometimes MUCH more. These are foils too. These are certainly 'pimp' by commander standards.
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Very good point on the legends thing.
My original list had Xira and Merieke on it, but Rubinia is just as likely, I guess. It is kind of funny that she and Merieike have the same ability, just colorshifted to better fit the color pie in Ice Age.
Dakkon Blackblade and Sol'Kanar are the only other reprintable legends from legends I could see in there.
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Okay let's get something straight with Kird Ape. For starters, a 2/3 for one mana doesn't suck. It might not be as good as it used to be "back in the day" but that is still above the curve for the average creature. Second, it was associated with a very famous deck called Zoo which still sees some play even today. Third, it had just gotten reprinted in 9th edition as an uncommon meaning there where alot of them floating around.
None of the P3K legends that are bad can say the same. Some of them are really bad mechanically and they where never associated with a famous deck so there is no reason to bring them back.
Highly doubt it. It would ruin the collector's value and I don't see WoTC doing that.
But, if they did I would probably get out of magic again, I don't spend large investments on cards to get Yugioh'd.
I'm pretty sure WOTC is *not* making From the Vaults for newbies. 60 to 100$ (at least where I live) for 15 cards is not a product intended for new players. You want the Deckbuilder's Toolkit.
FTV is for collectors, first and foremost. We'll see old and iconic legends. Memnarch is a good guess, I'd predict Meloku the Clouded Mirror as well, and at least one of the two versions of Khamals.
I'm sure you can think of something by yourself.
I just thought I'd throw two thoughts out there. One, this phrases is used on most/all of their other FTV products, isn't it? Is it possible that they just copied the product description and left this clause here? Second, semantically I would think this could apply to the preview card as one of the black-bordered cards. When the preview is printed, it will be its first time with a black border. I think the phrase is a little sketchy to do much speculation on.
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Why would you invest in something that has the very real potential of being rendered absolutely worthless at the whim of someone else, and the absolute potential of being rendered approximately worthless once the game ceases production? If you're trying to invest, one would argue that there are certainly better options out there.
Furthermore, how do you see the game benefiting from restricting access to its game pieces? Wouldn't you think it would grow more if they allowed greater access to its game pieces?
The whole notion of these legions of dedicated and same-minded Collectors who treasure the reserve list to protect their dozens of power nine sets is silly.
First of all there is only a tiny fraction of players who would identify themselves as such collectors, and secondly, it's only the P9 that matters in that way! Or maybe call it a power twenty-five or so.
They should just admit the reserve list was made for different reasons at a different time, apologize, and keep some tiny version of the list in tact.
But for goodness sake it would only be good for the game --and the value of the cards!-- if they un-reserved all the old stuff that is not broken.
Your phrasing -- "greater access to the game pieces" -- is the simplest and most persuasive way I've heard it put.
"Hey guys, let's play poker, but we can't use Jacks. I have a friend who owns an four Jacks, but since they banned Kings and Aces and Queens you can't use Jacks."
"Wanna play chess? Oh, but they stopped making Queens in 1994 so let's just play all-pawn, 'kay?"
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Correct me if i'm wrong but would't you die as soon as you played Phage from the command zone? if so whats the probability of her still making the cut for Legends?
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I mean really, why restrict the ability for players to play in legacy/eternal formats who WANT to get into it, because a few people don't want their cards they keep locked up to go down a few $ in price?
Fact is, the P9 will never be reprinted, and anyone "collecting" them wont lose any value over them, until MTG dies as a game. (the P9 are only valuable b/c people play vintage)
Hopefully the collectors realize, if they collect TOO MUCH of the P9, the portion of them in play-circulation will keep going down, less people will be able to buy them in itself, since the majority of the print will be in collections. This could cause the price of the cards to go down. If theres no supply to meet the demand, no one buys the cards, and therefore the card has less value (especially if tournaments allow X proxies in the deck).
This is the essential problem side to collecting card games. if vintage died as a format, the P9 would essentially be of no value. Would JTMS be worth $100 if there was no standard? ofc not.
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Not saying it couldn't be in this set, but IIRC the art was originally for a Duelist cover.
Implying a COLLECTIBLE card game is anything like a game that comes with every piece from the beginning.
And if people want to play a game they have to spend money on it.
I done wanna play pokerzzzz cuz i cant afford to... so dont play. Your arguments can be used from the opposite spectrum...
uh ya, hes in every format???