What are we waiting for besides Sep's ++ery? Is there something you need to discuss before we end this day and lynch some scum?
I'm not really a fan of seeing the daytalk item move to a new person, so I'd be happy to see the day end before Sep overtakes Shal.
And before I get jumped for it, I'm not saying I want a speed lynch. Just saying that I don't like the idea of moving the item move more than necessary.
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Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
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For having been reading along and swearing you'd posted, Raf, you sure have a lot of details wrong and/or missing. /quote]
Reading along the past few days. The fact that I'm blurry over the few weeks before this is not news. Keeping track of details when people are spamming the thread has never been my strong point at the best of times.
[quote]Eco's answered the questions, and Shalako isn't a low-poster, he's the top-poster.
There's also a reward (if you can call it that) for being the top poster, or so he claimed. I am having Matrix Mafia flashbacks all over again.
The underlined question is a good one, and very similar to what I commented on about your last "meaty" post - you've done far too much fence-sitting for someone so sure of himself and his reads. Busy or not, this isn't the RafK persona I'm used to seeing. You're far too tentative.
And you're being passive-aggressive.
I'm simply unsure, having had the rug taken out from under me yesterday and having had a day today which has gone from a "we have an investigated scum" to "oh wait the investigation was fake". I'm not overly thrilled with the cases on offer. I don't have time to try and build something else up from scratch (if I even had a suspect in mind, which I do not). If I had a good read to back, I would back it, but I simply don't. This game badly needs some certainty to stand on.
AI claimed standard survivor win con OR survive 3 NK attempts.
Don't see how that's opposed to his main win condition. Seems more like a "if you survive that many NK attempts as a survivor you deserve to win already" thing. It's believable.
I agree that this is possible, but with no evidence in support of it bar speculation, we really cannot pursue it before lynching AI.
Logically, yeah.
All in All, Raf, what do you think of AI? You seem to be in tentative agreement with me, yet you didn't state a definite opinion.
I agree we should lynch AI, logically, I just think there's a higher chance of him telling the truth than I would really like, because of the neutral claim- for a scum trying to avoid being lynched it's a strange, strange claim to make in conjunction with the miller item claim.
I'm not really a fan of seeing the daytalk item move to a new person, so I'd be happy to see the day end before Sep overtakes Shal.
Sorry
And before I get jumped for it, I'm not saying I want a speed lynch. Just saying that I don't like the idea of moving the item move more than necessary.
Well this move is kinda necessary since at the very least confirms the item in question and like its been explained if there's the possibility of anyone around having an item destroyer then they can then use it on me, something that apparently they cannot do with Shalako.
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Huston we have a launch (aka top poster accomplished, go ahead and do whatever you want since all my other arguments have proved useless)
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I'd use it on someone I thought was scummy who had vulnerability status. Unfortunately the only way I can tell if someone has that status is if my bouncer beats them up or they openly admit it in the thread.
If you're town, you probably shouldn't even be considering using it. I can't imagine a situation in which the reward comes anywhere near justifying the risk.
...Believe what you want. It's clear your only content from here on out is going to be WIFOM, OMGUS, and ill conceived theories. Much like the rest of your content today.
Ah ad hom and poisoning the well, better than to address the points Or even to agree to disagree.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Alpha is claimed to be L-1 lynch threshold. And yet his lynch didnt get to this point why? Even with out Sep and me cooperating that's more than enough to get him lynched.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Alpha is claimed to be L-1 lynch threshold. And yet his lynch didnt get to this point why? Even with out Sep and me cooperating that's more than enough to get him lynched.
You are mistaken, i believe him to be at actually L-2 which is equivalent as L-1 for AI not that he actually hit the L-1 threshold
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Alpha is claimed to be L-1 lynch threshold. And yet his lynch didnt get to this point why? Even with out Sep and me cooperating that's more than enough to get him lynched.
We've been keeping him at claimed l-2. I've wanted to vote but didn't want to leave him at claimed l-1. We've had enough to lynch, we just needed to work out the logistics of the day.
Alpha is claimed to be L-1 lynch threshold. And yet his lynch didnt get to this point why? Even with out Sep and me cooperating that's more than enough to get him lynched.
I can't tell if this means you thought you were hammering or not. Either way, I really dislike the fact that you felt the need to triple-post this. Only the first post was something that needed to be said, and it isn't like you aren't aware that the two of us are in contention as the low posters, and that there are several people who would rather you stay on the bottom. And yet you ignore that. Congratulations, you've taken top spot on my watch list back from dkd.
Alpha is claimed to be L-1 lynch threshold. And yet his lynch didnt get to this point why? Even with out Sep and me cooperating that's more than enough to get him lynched.
Why are you trying to tie yourself to me?
There are others who aren't voting him either why the need to just mention me?
@Shalako: feel free to post now btw i am at T+3 so you have two wonderful walls of text post available to you now.
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AlphaInsidious (7) - Ecophagy, Shalako, Vampyr, Wolf with a Bass, atlseal, RobRoy, Infinis
Magwald (1) - dropkickdude
dropkickdude (1) - Sepiriel
Wolf with a Bass (1) - DYH
To clarify, and also ++: if Infinis had a problem with me asking the town for opinions, and then posting more once people weighed in, he should have stated that he would not abide by any consensus decision. Waiting until the last minute and then trying to pass me is very self-serving.
Ok here's the deal of what happened in Annorax, Seppel was scum, Vezok a cultist, Joboman was an actual cop, and Diggy was also scum but for the mafia that won flawlessly :D.
V,J and Dig where all part of a masonry thought their pm said they where town looking to the other.
Vezok could only recruit Town, he tried to recruit Seppel and failed, coincidentially Jobo also did an inevstigation on seppel that same night and turned a scum result.
The Mason chat went like this:
J: Hey im a cop.
V: Hey so am I!!!!
J: I investigated Seppel last night and got scum.
V: Hey so did I!!!!!!
Following that Vezok tried to pull out a cop gambit, which jobo ended up outing himself as cop also and just overall made each other look stupidly scummy!
Back to Mason Chat:
V: So truth time, im actually a cultist, i cant recruit scum and failed to recruit seppel im planning to recruit you guys after this so keep it a secret so we can win together m'kay? i can work as a confirmed sanity cop guyz!!!!
Jobo outs him and Diggy keeps quiet somehow managing to turn that into a townie trait and making Jobo look super scummy in the process, we end up killing the Cultist, next day we lynched the cop and then followed that up with a vig shot on seppel (Order of events may be a bit skewed but thats more or less how it all went down)
So, essentially, it supports my argument that it's very difficult to false claim cop and get away with it. Yaey.
Even if AI is Mafia, I still want Mags dead today. Killing 1 Mafia doesn't stop their kill entirely, killing the SK does stop his. And if AI can "alibi out," then we don't need to lynch him.
Are you just totally ignoring the bit where we can't tell what alignment Magwald is until AI is dead?
What you're putting forward make zero sense - Why would a SK false claim a scum investigation? If he's wrong, he's just killed himself. This is so wrong and bad that you have earned yourself a re-read overnight.
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I don't feel super happy about Sepiriel being the new top poster, but I guess that it's more important to get the item verified.
I'm also fine with Magwald hammering, which should be the next vote.
Finally, as a reminder, if anyone can cause a (not limited use) spell of mine to become exhausted/discarded tonight, I would be immensely grateful.
DKD has been willfully ignoring the current situation for days now. It's no surprise he continues to say the same thing again and again, despite numerous explanations as to why the "pass the item" plan would likely fail.
If it fails, it fails. I think it's worth a shot, and I'd rather see you lynched first anyways. That's all I'm saying.
Are you just totally ignoring the bit where we can't tell what alignment Magwald is until AI is dead?
What you're putting forward make zero sense - Why would a SK false claim a scum investigation? If he's wrong, he's just killed himself. This is so wrong and bad that you have earned yourself a re-read overnight.
Are you reading what I'm saying at all? I'm saying exactly what you just said only I'm drawing a conclusion from it. Let me map it out yet again for everyone:
-No Pro-Town player fakes a Cop claim.
--Therefore, he must know AI's alignment.
---He has an item that can do this, but has claimed it as One Shot (only after he knew Shalako copied the other one).
----He lied about the Cop claim, so he must be lying about Devourer being One-Shot.
-----If Devourer isn't One-Shot, he combo of items would make him an SK.
------By killing the SK we stop an entire kill, as opposed to killing a sole Mafioso, which does not stop a kill at all (and I think the chance that Mags is our SK is greater than the chance that AI is Mafia regardless).
-------AI can, I'm not saying will, potentially substantiate his claim.
--------All of this combines into the conclusion that Mags is the better lynch target for Today.
To clarify, and also ++: if Infinis had a problem with me asking the town for opinions, and then posting more once people weighed in, he should have stated that he would not abide by any consensus decision. Waiting until the last minute and then trying to pass me is very self-serving.
I made my fears known. Until Magwald actually hammers and I turn up alive tomorrow I'm not down with the plan.
You brought this whole thikng up first, about posting more to avoid his bouncer.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Are you reading what I'm saying at all? I'm saying exactly what you just said only I'm drawing a conclusion from it. Let me map it out yet again for everyone:
-No Pro-Town player fakes a Cop claim.
--Therefore, he must know AI's alignment.
---He has an item that can do this, but has claimed it as One Shot (only after he knew Shalako copied the other one).
----He lied about the Cop claim, so he must be lying about Devourer being One-Shot.
-----If Devourer isn't One-Shot, he combo of items would make him an SK.
------By killing the SK we stop an entire kill, as opposed to killing a sole Mafioso, which does not stop a kill at all (and I think the chance that Mags is our SK is greater than the chance that AI is Mafia regardless).
-------AI can, I'm not saying will, potentially substantiate his claim.
--------All of this combines into the conclusion that Mags is the better lynch target for Today.
You're making a number of leaps - pro-town players do fake investigations, it's just a risky and stupid play. Therefore, he doesn't necessarily know AI's alignment. In fact, the only way he fakes an investigation on AI as scum is when he knows AI has the compass. Obviously, this cannot be true if AI is lying, so we need AI dead to find out.
The devourer would have roleblocked AI. AI did not claim RB. Ispo facto, Magwald did not use the devourer on AI.
"He must be lying about the one shot"...really? You actually believe this? To state this as a fact is truly mind boggling.
The combination of items doesn't guarantee SK - he still can't kill scum... It's a risky vig.
So, basically, you're making a number of assumptions which are clearly nowhere near true and stating them with such conviction that you need your head examined. Your reasoning is incredibly flawed and I wish to see you dead.
You're making a number of leaps - pro-town players do fake investigations, it's just a risky and stupid play. Therefore, he doesn't necessarily know AI's alignment. In fact, the only way he fakes an investigation on AI as scum is when he knows AI has the compass. Obviously, this cannot be true if AI is lying, so we need AI dead to find out.
The devourer would have roleblocked AI. AI did not claim RB. Ispo facto, Magwald did not use the devourer on AI.
"He must be lying about the one shot"...really? You actually believe this? To state this as a fact is truly mind boggling.
The combination of items doesn't guarantee SK - he still can't kill scum... It's a risky vig.
So, basically, you're making a number of assumptions which are clearly nowhere near true and stating them with such conviction that you need your head examined. Your reasoning is incredibly flawed and I wish to see you dead.
Devourer would only have RB'd AI if AI is Mafia. If he isn't, then it would have tried to kill him and failed due to the Compass. And yes, I am making assumptions, but they really are valid. My fervor is because everyone seems to be tossing my ideas aside instead of listening, and flinging a whole lot of mud in my face besides. An SK that kills Townies and "Cops" Mafia is rather elegant. It gives him a smokescreen to hide behind, especially if there isn't a straight up Cop in the mix as well. It all fits. I feel like Richard Castle right now.
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AlphaInsidious (8) - Ecophagy, Shalako, Vampyr, Wolf with a Bass, atlseal, RobRoy, Infinis, Magwald
Magwald (1) - dropkickdude
dropkickdude (1) - Sepiriel
Wolf with a Bass (1) - DYH
It takes 9 to Lynch with 16 alive.
As of this post, AlphaInsidious has been lynched with 8 votes on him.
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Spittle flew.
There was a loud roar and AlphaInsidious heaved his shoulders, trying to break out of the headlock he was in. His eyes were filled with rage and moved wildly, staring at each of you in turn. Condemnations were passed on you all.
“It be only a matter o’ time before we win, ye scurvy dogs!”
Even more spittle flew.
Magwald tightened his grip grimly on AlphaInsidious’ neck and twisted sharply to the side. There was a sudden silence and a cessation of struggle as the AlphaInsidious went limp. Magwald relaxed his grip and the body slid to the ground with a thud.
AlphaInsidious, The Pirate King (Mafia) was lynched on Day 2.
Name: AlphaInsidious Alignment: Mafia Title: The Pirate King Domain: Standing in the crow’s nest of your main warship, you looked out over your world. A violent vista of blue topped with frothing waves, ripped through by a fleet of warships with flocks of seagulls and schools of dolphins as constant companions. And you see a dream of gold and gems and ale and blades and blood overflowing. Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Artifact: Spyglass Note: A simple enough equipment, made from a series of interlocking metal tubes inserted with focusing lenses. It can be used to observe someone from far away without that person ever noticing, though more information might be gained if the person you are observing is careless enough not to cover its own tracks. Ability: Night, watch target player. If that player has Vulnerability status, then watch and track instead.
~~~ Artifact: Ancient Pennant Note: A truly beautiful creation, it was crafted using reality alloy as the core and entwining it with the magical distillation of the aspect of dread. Even when it remains hidden from sight, the emotional emanations it exudes washes all with a general sense of unease. It will only truly affect those weak of mind and spirit of course. Ability: All players with Vulnerability status have a Lynch threshold of -1.
~~~ Follower: Sellsword (Exhausted) Note: You have a mercenary under your hire although it has made it clear it will not kill for you. A mercenary with a sense of honor. You almost rolled your eyes at that but you didn’t, since that can be rather undignified. Still, you have paid so you might as well have some use out of it. Ability: Transferable, One-shot, Night, target player gains Vulnerability status.
There was a noticeable sigh of relief being passed around as everyone gave each other congratulatory nods. This was a definite progress. It was time to bring out the drinks and toast.
Another break was gladly called.
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It is now Night 2.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 3 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
It was a truly peaceful break. No screams of the dying. No paranoid accusations being hurled around. No interruption of a rather nice tea break with brownies and cakes.
It’s almost as if this whole thing was just a nightmare to be awoken from at any moment. That is if one didn’t count the score of bodies already littering the assembly room in various strategic positions.
Still, it was a truly peaceful break. A pity it had to end. There was a murmur being passed around however among the personages still alive.
The Questing Gem has disappeared from the Discarded Items List.
Someone had taken the artifact for himself or herself. It was time to get to work then in rooting out the source of all this nonsense.
Attention: I do not believe that we should be claiming vulnerability status publicly. There is a reason for this that I will be writing up in full shortly. In the meantime: Infinis, Magwald, Shalako, please do not say where the Bouncers ended up. If anyone else is vulnerable, also please do not say so.
Thoughts on a mass claim of some sort at this point?
Nay.
Also, to whoever took the Questing Gem, should you be town, might I recommend by a random happy coincidence *cough cough* questions dealing with post numbers.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Also, to whoever took the Questing Gem, should you be town, might I recommend by a random happy coincidence *cough cough* questions dealing with post numbers.
Huh? I thought the gem could only answer questions in terms of numbers (although I can't check anymore). If that's the case, a "how many people does the town still need to kill to win"-type question seems like the best bet.
Huh? I thought the gem could only answer questions in terms of numbers (although I can't check anymore). If that's the case, a "how many people does the town still need to kill to win"-type question seems like the best bet.
Yes, that is true, but the following should be a valid question:
"What is the first post title, by atlseal, after post <x>, that is true?"
It turns whomever has the item into a cop with all the post titles I've put up.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Attention: I do not believe that we should be claiming vulnerability status publicly. There is a reason for this that I will be writing up in full shortly. In the meantime: Infinis, Magwald, Shalako, please do not say where the Bouncers ended up. If anyone else is vulnerable, also please do not say so.
"My bouncer worked overtime, but I'll only reveal one of his victims at this point. That victim would be the scummy, bruised, and currently vulnerable Infinis."
The only thing that I can come up with that makes any sense at all is that Mags is an SK, Devourer isn't One-Shot, and he used it on AI last night, who didn't die, so he must be non-Town, and Mags was looking for a way to clear himself as Town and screw with the Mafia.Add in the psuedo-counterclaim and it all fits.
No one fakes a Cop result this early. He must've known somehow. I think Mags is our SK.
"AI's death proved this false. How? His item had exhausted status. Which means if I had targeted him with Devourer night 1, he'd have been roleblocked, and his item wouldn't have been exhausted as a result."
Devourer would only have RB'd AI if AI is Mafia. If he isn't, then it would have tried to kill him and failed due to the Compass. And yes, I am making assumptions, but they really are valid.
"No, they aren't. I just explained why."
"Now pair this with his almost frantic attempts to save AI, which are noted below for your viewing pleasure."
Huh? I thought the gem could only answer questions in terms of numbers (although I can't check anymore). If that's the case, a "how many people does the town still need to kill to win"-type question seems like the best bet.
Partial claim time. I started the game with a one-shot doc protect item. I used that on cpe on Night 1, figuring to keep the claimed information role around. He still died, which rather perturbed me, and also made me start thinking about how that could have happened.
When Magwald revealed what his items actually did, I thought for a minute that I had an answer. Bouncer had made cpe vulnerable; Magwald was the SK, and had an ability to make kills on anyone who was vulnerable skip doc protection. Unfortunately, the facts didn't hold up. The Bouncer was stated to work at the end of the night; this was confirmed both by AI claiming to have been made vulnerable, and by Shalako duping the Bouncer. So, back to square one.
I rearrived at this conclusion when AI flipped scum, with his Sellsword exhausted. I assume that AI wouldn't have fired off a one-shot ability instead of doing a watch if there wasn't a reason to, and we didn't have anyone other than AI claim to be vulnerable at the start of Day 2. My hypothesis, then, is that AI used the Sellsword to make cpe vulnerable so that the mafia could guarantee the kill on him, with an ability from someone who is still at large. As a result, I'd rather the scum not know who is vulnerable, as this will let them know who they are capable of killing with impunity.
"My bouncer worked overtime, but I'll only reveal one of his victims at this point. That victim would be the scummy, bruised, and currently vulnerable Infinis."
Seriously, what part of "please don't say anything yet, I have reasons, wait for me to explain" was so hard to understand?
It'd be quite pot-kettle-black of me to condemn DKD for taking the stance he did on AI yesterday, but I am quite curious to hear from him for other reasons. I'll get to that once he's posted.
I'm in agreement with RobRoy that revealing those who are vulnerable is not a great idea, and subsequently would like to avoid having more than one person hit by the Bouncers.
EBWODP: Also, whoever has the item should be looking into limiting the question to regarding my Day 2 posts. It turns you into a super cop. You get guaranteed 1 scum/night.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
My opinion is that the most obviously scummy person living is Infinis.
Vote: Infinis
People who have claimed stuff, should possibly think about claiming stuff. DYH: first, whether you "tracked" anyone, and then, depending, whether this provides any useful info.
I think it was Arcadic who claimed a RB ability? If so, in light of no deaths, perhaps knowing who was RBed could be useful.
Seems like this is an opportune moment to seize the upper hand.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axel: I was able to successfully "track" (cute, am I doing it right?) someone last night. I'm not sure it nets us anything useful, as there were no kills, and the person targeted by the person I tracked certainly wasn't at risk of being killed, which makes me think he's (the tracking target) townie.
@Axel: I was able to successfully "track" (cute, am I doing it right?) someone last night. I'm not sure it nets us anything useful, as there were no kills, and the person targeted by the person I tracked certainly wasn't at risk of being killed, which makes me think he's (the tracking target) townie.
I think you are doing it right, so far, though you probably said even more than you needed to at this point.
You are saying your target targeted someone under suspicion, leading you to the conclusion that your target is Town. We'll file that one away under, maybe/maybe not for now, I guess.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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No, why are you asking me?
I'm not really a fan of seeing the daytalk item move to a new person, so I'd be happy to see the day end before Sep overtakes Shal.
And before I get jumped for it, I'm not saying I want a speed lynch. Just saying that I don't like the idea of moving the item move more than necessary.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
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Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
There's also a reward (if you can call it that) for being the top poster, or so he claimed. I am having Matrix Mafia flashbacks all over again.
And you're being passive-aggressive.
I'm simply unsure, having had the rug taken out from under me yesterday and having had a day today which has gone from a "we have an investigated scum" to "oh wait the investigation was fake". I'm not overly thrilled with the cases on offer. I don't have time to try and build something else up from scratch (if I even had a suspect in mind, which I do not). If I had a good read to back, I would back it, but I simply don't. This game badly needs some certainty to stand on.
Logically, yeah.
I agree we should lynch AI, logically, I just think there's a higher chance of him telling the truth than I would really like, because of the neutral claim- for a scum trying to avoid being lynched it's a strange, strange claim to make in conjunction with the miller item claim.
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
Your him is refering to Mags then? Not AI? Thats how i read it.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
<literary critic>Yes, the pronoun 'him' was in reference to the most recently used noun.</literary critic> (The More You Know)
Yes, I was referring to Mag.
I disagree with this.
While there are benefits to Mags hammering i would prefer him dead.
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It does not seem so at this moment, which is kinda saddening actually.
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Sorry
Well this move is kinda necessary since at the very least confirms the item in question and like its been explained if there's the possibility of anyone around having an item destroyer then they can then use it on me, something that apparently they cannot do with Shalako.
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Huston we have a launch (aka top poster accomplished, go ahead and do whatever you want since all my other arguments have proved useless)
If you're town, you probably shouldn't even be considering using it. I can't imagine a situation in which the reward comes anywhere near justifying the risk.
What attitude? -Being suspicious of multiple players?
This is rather amusing. Despite this big discussion we just had, your vote isn't even on Mag. Explain.
Ah ad hom and poisoning the well, better than to address the points Or even to agree to disagree.
12-11? I'm losing track
12-11? I'm losing track
Prefer him dead does not mean he is my scum choice of the day, he is my sk choice of the day however.
but irregardless of all that crap as of right now AI is at L-1 Mags feel free to hammer since this has all become pointless today.
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12-11? I'm losing track
We've been keeping him at claimed l-2. I've wanted to vote but didn't want to leave him at claimed l-1. We've had enough to lynch, we just needed to work out the logistics of the day.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I can't tell if this means you thought you were hammering or not. Either way, I really dislike the fact that you felt the need to triple-post this. Only the first post was something that needed to be said, and it isn't like you aren't aware that the two of us are in contention as the low posters, and that there are several people who would rather you stay on the bottom. And yet you ignore that. Congratulations, you've taken top spot on my watch list back from dkd.
Why are you trying to tie yourself to me?
There are others who aren't voting him either why the need to just mention me?
@Shalako: feel free to post now btw i am at T+3 so you have two wonderful walls of text post available to you now.
Votecount
AlphaInsidious (7) - Ecophagy, Shalako, Vampyr, Wolf with a Bass, atlseal, RobRoy, Infinis
Magwald (1) - dropkickdude
dropkickdude (1) - Sepiriel
Wolf with a Bass (1) - DYH
It takes 9 to Lynch with 16 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
So, essentially, it supports my argument that it's very difficult to false claim cop and get away with it. Yaey.
Are you just totally ignoring the bit where we can't tell what alignment Magwald is until AI is dead?
What you're putting forward make zero sense - Why would a SK false claim a scum investigation? If he's wrong, he's just killed himself. This is so wrong and bad that you have earned yourself a re-read overnight.
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I don't feel super happy about Sepiriel being the new top poster, but I guess that it's more important to get the item verified.
I'm also fine with Magwald hammering, which should be the next vote.
Finally, as a reminder, if anyone can cause a (not limited use) spell of mine to become exhausted/discarded tonight, I would be immensely grateful.
If it fails, it fails. I think it's worth a shot, and I'd rather see you lynched first anyways. That's all I'm saying.
Are you reading what I'm saying at all? I'm saying exactly what you just said only I'm drawing a conclusion from it. Let me map it out yet again for everyone:
-No Pro-Town player fakes a Cop claim.
--Therefore, he must know AI's alignment.
---He has an item that can do this, but has claimed it as One Shot (only after he knew Shalako copied the other one).
----He lied about the Cop claim, so he must be lying about Devourer being One-Shot.
-----If Devourer isn't One-Shot, he combo of items would make him an SK.
------By killing the SK we stop an entire kill, as opposed to killing a sole Mafioso, which does not stop a kill at all (and I think the chance that Mags is our SK is greater than the chance that AI is Mafia regardless).
-------AI can, I'm not saying will, potentially substantiate his claim.
--------All of this combines into the conclusion that Mags is the better lynch target for Today.
Modern
WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
I made my fears known. Until Magwald actually hammers and I turn up alive tomorrow I'm not down with the plan.
You brought this whole thikng up first, about posting more to avoid his bouncer.
12-11? I'm losing track
You're making a number of leaps - pro-town players do fake investigations, it's just a risky and stupid play. Therefore, he doesn't necessarily know AI's alignment. In fact, the only way he fakes an investigation on AI as scum is when he knows AI has the compass. Obviously, this cannot be true if AI is lying, so we need AI dead to find out.
The devourer would have roleblocked AI. AI did not claim RB. Ispo facto, Magwald did not use the devourer on AI.
"He must be lying about the one shot"...really? You actually believe this? To state this as a fact is truly mind boggling.
The combination of items doesn't guarantee SK - he still can't kill scum... It's a risky vig.
So, basically, you're making a number of assumptions which are clearly nowhere near true and stating them with such conviction that you need your head examined. Your reasoning is incredibly flawed and I wish to see you dead.
Devourer would only have RB'd AI if AI is Mafia. If he isn't, then it would have tried to kill him and failed due to the Compass. And yes, I am making assumptions, but they really are valid. My fervor is because everyone seems to be tossing my ideas aside instead of listening, and flinging a whole lot of mud in my face besides. An SK that kills Townies and "Cops" Mafia is rather elegant. It gives him a smokescreen to hide behind, especially if there isn't a straight up Cop in the mix as well. It all fits. I feel like Richard Castle right now.
(Hooray for Post 1000)
Modern
WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
FOS Infinis + DKD for majorly scummy play today
AlphaInsidious (8) - Ecophagy, Shalako, Vampyr, Wolf with a Bass, atlseal, RobRoy, Infinis, Magwald
Magwald (1) - dropkickdude
dropkickdude (1) - Sepiriel
Wolf with a Bass (1) - DYH
It takes 9 to Lynch with 16 alive.
As of this post, AlphaInsidious has been lynched with 8 votes on him.
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Spittle flew.
There was a loud roar and AlphaInsidious heaved his shoulders, trying to break out of the headlock he was in. His eyes were filled with rage and moved wildly, staring at each of you in turn. Condemnations were passed on you all.
“It be only a matter o’ time before we win, ye scurvy dogs!”
Even more spittle flew.
Magwald tightened his grip grimly on AlphaInsidious’ neck and twisted sharply to the side. There was a sudden silence and a cessation of struggle as the AlphaInsidious went limp. Magwald relaxed his grip and the body slid to the ground with a thud.
AlphaInsidious, The Pirate King (Mafia) was lynched on Day 2.
Name: AlphaInsidious
Alignment: Mafia
Title: The Pirate King
Domain: Standing in the crow’s nest of your main warship, you looked out over your world. A violent vista of blue topped with frothing waves, ripped through by a fleet of warships with flocks of seagulls and schools of dolphins as constant companions. And you see a dream of gold and gems and ale and blades and blood overflowing.
Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Artifact: Spyglass
Note: A simple enough equipment, made from a series of interlocking metal tubes inserted with focusing lenses. It can be used to observe someone from far away without that person ever noticing, though more information might be gained if the person you are observing is careless enough not to cover its own tracks.
Ability: Night, watch target player. If that player has Vulnerability status, then watch and track instead.
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Artifact: Ancient Pennant
Note: A truly beautiful creation, it was crafted using reality alloy as the core and entwining it with the magical distillation of the aspect of dread. Even when it remains hidden from sight, the emotional emanations it exudes washes all with a general sense of unease. It will only truly affect those weak of mind and spirit of course.
Ability: All players with Vulnerability status have a Lynch threshold of -1.
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Follower: Sellsword (Exhausted)
Note: You have a mercenary under your hire although it has made it clear it will not kill for you. A mercenary with a sense of honor. You almost rolled your eyes at that but you didn’t, since that can be rather undignified. Still, you have paid so you might as well have some use out of it.
Ability: Transferable, One-shot, Night, target player gains Vulnerability status.
Another break was gladly called.
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It is now Night 2.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 3 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
It’s almost as if this whole thing was just a nightmare to be awoken from at any moment. That is if one didn’t count the score of bodies already littering the assembly room in various strategic positions.
Still, it was a truly peaceful break. A pity it had to end. There was a murmur being passed around however among the personages still alive.
The Questing Gem has disappeared from the Discarded Items List.
Someone had taken the artifact for himself or herself. It was time to get to work then in rooting out the source of all this nonsense.
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It is now Day 3.
It takes 8 to Lynch with 15 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Vote: dkd
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Sep, do you have the item?
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
Nay.
Also, to whoever took the Questing Gem, should you be town, might I recommend by a random happy coincidence *cough cough* questions dealing with post numbers.
Also nay.
Huh? I thought the gem could only answer questions in terms of numbers (although I can't check anymore). If that's the case, a "how many people does the town still need to kill to win"-type question seems like the best bet.
Yes, that is true, but the following should be a valid question:
"What is the first post title, by atlseal, after post <x>, that is true?"
It turns whomever has the item into a cop with all the post titles I've put up.
"My bouncer worked overtime, but I'll only reveal one of his victims at this point. That victim would be the scummy, bruised, and currently vulnerable Infinis."
"AI's death proved this false. How? His item had exhausted status. Which means if I had targeted him with Devourer night 1, he'd have been roleblocked, and his item wouldn't have been exhausted as a result."
"No, they aren't. I just explained why."
"Now pair this with his almost frantic attempts to save AI, which are noted below for your viewing pleasure."
vote DropKickDude
FOS Infinis
"If you're not convinced by his day 2 play, his day 1 was equally scummy. Just look at his flimsy attempt at joining the jskura wagon."
You sure can check: Dagger's Day 2 opening scene.
Check the spoiler of WoD's discarded items.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
Actually, it would need to be rephrased a little bit to ask about the post number, but you get the idea.
When Magwald revealed what his items actually did, I thought for a minute that I had an answer. Bouncer had made cpe vulnerable; Magwald was the SK, and had an ability to make kills on anyone who was vulnerable skip doc protection. Unfortunately, the facts didn't hold up. The Bouncer was stated to work at the end of the night; this was confirmed both by AI claiming to have been made vulnerable, and by Shalako duping the Bouncer. So, back to square one.
I rearrived at this conclusion when AI flipped scum, with his Sellsword exhausted. I assume that AI wouldn't have fired off a one-shot ability instead of doing a watch if there wasn't a reason to, and we didn't have anyone other than AI claim to be vulnerable at the start of Day 2. My hypothesis, then, is that AI used the Sellsword to make cpe vulnerable so that the mafia could guarantee the kill on him, with an ability from someone who is still at large. As a result, I'd rather the scum not know who is vulnerable, as this will let them know who they are capable of killing with impunity.
Significantly premature.
Seriously, what part of "please don't say anything yet, I have reasons, wait for me to explain" was so hard to understand?
Oh yes, thanks.
Wow, that's ingenious! Is that why you were doing it, or a wonderful coincidence?
I'm in agreement with RobRoy that revealing those who are vulnerable is not a great idea, and subsequently would like to avoid having more than one person hit by the Bouncers.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I think you're town, but
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Vote: Infinis
People who have claimed stuff, should possibly think about claiming stuff. DYH: first, whether you "tracked" anyone, and then, depending, whether this provides any useful info.
I think it was Arcadic who claimed a RB ability? If so, in light of no deaths, perhaps knowing who was RBed could be useful.
Seems like this is an opportune moment to seize the upper hand.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
dropkickdude (2) - atlseal, Magwald
Infinis (1) - Axelrod
It takes 8 to Lynch with 15 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I think you are doing it right, so far, though you probably said even more than you needed to at this point.
You are saying your target targeted someone under suspicion, leading you to the conclusion that your target is Town. We'll file that one away under, maybe/maybe not for now, I guess.