Anyway like I said tomorrow, I'll look into why CPE is dead.
I can help with that...
The full quote for context if you don't want to click the link. Infinis says he's going to look into why CPE is dead and DKD says "I can help with that." (like, he knows something).
This is immediately followed by Arcadic speculating that CPE was killed by a counterpart compulsory vig to Raf, and DKD's
No, not looking good at all....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
And, of course, precisely nothing on Day 2 about WWaB. Nothing that hints at a failed kill attempt. No talk of suspicion of WWaB (for his kill failing). Only the above quote which is completely inconsistent with his claim. And a major attack on Mags as being the SK (which a scum could honestly believe).
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I do not like this claim. Of course, I didn't like Jskura's claim either.
What "smiley" were you attemting to click, DKD?
I have much trouble believing in a mechanic that makes sure that an kill attempts on the lowest posters go through unimpeded. Especially given the Bouncer mechanic that is already beating the crap out of the low poster and making him vulnerable.
This smacks of "I killed CPE, but I have to come up with a different excuse for why I targeted him..."
DKD, you did not claim your "item" that requires you to kill. What is it? A Follower? A spell? An artifact? What form does it take?
I have not checked his posts, but I also don't think there has been any hinting of this from DKD to date. Seems like there ought to have been something if you tried to kill someone and couldn't find them.
All in all, not good.
I was trying to click the sad face smiley.
I did not target CPE.
I have an Artifact named Bloodthirsty Dagger that requires me to kill.
I din't want to try breadcrumbing this game. I didn't want to have to get to claim range with my Decree Spell, because I didn't want the Mafia to know about it.
I was trying to follow the bait, without being too transparent. There were a lot of kills flying around and I was trying to get some other thoughts on them.
"First of all, I'm not a vig. Devourer is hardly close to a vig shot when it can't even kill scum. Nice misrep. You tried tooth and nail to save AI yesterday, if you thought my claim was bad based on your own role, why not state this then? It would likely have prevented Sepiriel from using his Toad on you."
"Second, fail claim is terrible. We don't even know that RafK has a mechanical counterpart in this game, that was only theorycrafting, and you claiming it just smacks of convenience. It's almost as bad as AI's claim."
"Third, on the off chance you're actually telling the truth, Sepiriel has made you useless. There is 0 incentive to keep a scummy player with a convenient claim around, especially when their claimed ability will just be RBed forever."
Like I said, I didn't want the Mafia coming close to my role or having any reason to RoleCop me. I was trying to get you lynched without having to claim my own role.
How are you not hinting that you have killed CPE here? What else could this mean?
I was trying to point to what I thought explained it. I figured Infinis would give my opinion some weight, but I didn't want to make it sound like I was the one who came up with the idea.
And, of course, precisely nothing on Day 2 about WWaB. Nothing that hints at a failed kill attempt. No talk of suspicion of WWaB (for his kill failing). Only the above quote which is completely inconsistent with his claim. And a major attack on Mags as being the SK (which a scum could honestly believe).
I have been on the record for a while that I thought WWaB was scum, but was called scummy for it. I wanted him dead, but had nothing more than what I had on Day 1. Again, I didn't want Decree outed.
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Sep perma blocking me is actually a good thing at this point. Even though I'm convinced that WWaB and Mags are scum and would love to execute them, I can now claim without fear of being used. Lynch me if you wish, my analytical skills haven't been too "good" (read: accepted by the majority) anyways, and that's all I am now.
@Vamp: Axel is pointing out that DKD explains away the third kill N1 with the compulsory kill (his subsequent claim) when he knew it failed [if we was telling the truth].
I'm pretty sure he's asking you to extrapolate on the flavor and how it ties into the mechanics of your role.
People get caged by light. They can't do anything, and also can't be hurt.
Not feeling the claim by dkd. There's a difference between not breadcrumbing and saying something that isn't true. Axel's find is a definite inconsistency. I'm also willing to vote him whenever we're ready to end the day.
I was trying to follow the bait, without being too transparent. There were a lot of kills flying around and I was trying to get some other thoughts on them.
I do not know what this means. What "bait?"
You supposedly knew (unlike everyone else) that there would have been even more kills "flying around" but for the fact that your own kill mysteriously failed to work.
Also, your post was a general summary type post. It was not an inquiry. You were not questioning anyone. I see no evidence of you trying to get anyone's thoughts on the large # of kills. I see a completely misleading post if what you say is true.
I was trying to point to what I thought explained it. I figured Infinis would give my opinion some weight, but I didn't want to make it sound like I was the one who came up with the idea.
I also do not know what this means. You were trying to point to what? Infinis said he would try to look into why CPE died. What are you pointing to when you say "I can help with this?"
I have been on the record for a while that I thought WWaB was scum, but was called scummy for it. I wanted him dead, but had nothing more than what I had on Day 1. Again, I didn't want Decree outed.
What about that part where...I don't know...you tried to KILL him, and it FAILED? This did not raise your suspicions even slightly?
Sep perma blocking me is actually a good thing at this point. Even though I'm convinced that WWaB and Mags are scum and would love to execute them, I can now claim without fear of being used. Lynch me if you wish, my analytical skills haven't been too "good" (read: accepted by the majority) anyways, and that's all I am now.
Your wish, my command, yada yada.
I don't know what the vote is, and I don't know if anyone else has anything they want to do/say before the day ends, but this is where the day is ending.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Honestly, I think the former. You're welcome to your opinion as well, but I don't see how someone pro-Town can fake a Cop result like that, I just don't. And if others, like DYH and myself, considered the claim to farfetched to be fake, AI gets a temporary pass. And when he is eventually lynched, Mags still gets the Town points.
Gasp as Cyan fakes an investigation on Andelijah in Dictionary mafia. Laugh as Tilde fake investigates Toastboy in Sybiote mafia. Cry as Nom_Anor false claims to have investigated someone (Az?) in Doha mafia.
These are but three examples of town players running this exact gambit. You will of course notice that never before has scum false claimed a scum result on a buddy.
You are beaten not only by logic, but by precedent too.
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I most certainly did not kill cpe. Are you guys totally insane? I'm not that thick fer cryin' out loud! He was an obvious investigative role. I actually clicked the wrong smiley (damn phone) in that post. You'll see why I'm partially at fault in just a sec.
I'm sorry we didn't read your mind and work out what smiley you meant to put there? From your post, it is clear that you hinted at killing CPE. Raging because you wrote the post wrong is mind boggling.
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I am The Dark Patriarch, an Assassin. I am Rafk's counterpart. That is to say, I am a compulsive vig that can only target on odd-numbered Nights. I have a Spell called Decree that auto targets the lowest poster each Night a makes sure that any kill actions on the target are undisturbed. I only claim this now because Sep has made it effectively useless, and the Mafia cannot make use of it. N1 I tried to kill WWaB, but was told that I could not find him.
Things which this claim lacks: Flavour. To wit: Flavour of role, flavour of Decree, both actual item and flavour behind compulsory kill. Preview Edit: Still no flavour for compulsory kill...
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Now you see why I did not like Mag's claim. Three Town vigs (Raf, myself, and presumably Mags) after a 3 kill N1 in which none of the three hit anyone? not likely.
Uh...Mags isn't a vig - he has a restricted one shot which might kill, and you and Raf together make one vigilante role. So, not exactly convincing. You also don't mention the rather-obvious-vig-shot WoD (which would actually add weight to the "too-many-vigs theory"), which implies you're just making this stuff up as you go along.
Further, this:
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And, of course, precisely nothing on Day 2 about WWaB. Nothing that hints at a failed kill attempt. No talk of suspicion of WWaB (for his kill failing).
is incredibly damning - you shot WWaB and, when he didn't die, just let him be? Really? At the very least, you'd continue to vote him. You keep saying "oh I didn't want the scum to know about Shade", but you could have always, you know, not claimed it.
Basically, this claim looks half-baked - totally lacking in flavour, having to be prodded to provide an item. I have no qualms about DKD being today's lynch.
I would like to be on the lynch this time. Anyone else got something to say, now's the time.
Raf. has a compulsory vig tonight, yes? Perhaps we should vote on that? (or at least express opinions)
I think I'm liking Infinis still.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I was trying to follow the bait, without being too transparent. There were a lot of kills flying around and I was trying to get some other thoughts on them.
Sep perma blocking me is actually a good thing at this point. Even though I'm convinced that WWaB and Mags are scum and would love to execute them, I can now claim without fear of being used. Lynch me if you wish, my analytical skills haven't been too "good" (read: accepted by the majority) anyways, and that's all I am now.
"You're getting lynched because you're scummy, your actions don't match your claimed role, and now you're trying to backtrack on what you said earlier. It has nothing to do with your reads."
Raf. has a compulsory vig tonight, yes? Perhaps we should vote on that? (or at least express opinions)
"I thought his vig shot was only even numbered nights. Remember, last night he tried to kill DKD."
"I really have nothing more to say today, only that I'm all out of Cuban cigars. We need to finish up here so I can resume my underworld dealings. Goodnight all."
@Vamp: Axel is pointing out that DKD explains away the third kill N1 with the compulsory kill (his subsequent claim) when he knew it failed [if we was telling the truth].
Consider my vote on DKD.
Ok, I was trying to put claimed roles together to figure out the disconnect. I wasn't thinking of trying to reconcile night actions.
You are so wrong as to what happened here that you must be town. Are you claiming that Sellword was used during D2 to allow the name reveal to trigger?
I thought so but a reread corrects me in my timing, i need to reassess the argument now, apologies for the mistake.
People get caged by light. They can't do anything, and also can't be hurt.
Sigh..... fine lets just go with that.... it is not worth the ulcer.
Not feeling the claim by dkd. There's a difference between not breadcrumbing and saying something that isn't true. Axel's find is a definite inconsistency. I'm also willing to vote him whenever we're ready to end the day.
I agree with you on this.
I have no problem with the lynch now and have nothing further to add.
If for some miracle we aren't into night by the time i come back from school (9 hours from now more or less) i'll be placing the hammer.
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So, I feel kinda stupid about my earlier read on DKD. There are a dozen and one things wrong with his claim. I have nothing more that needs to be said today, so I'm fine with his lynch whenever.
If DKD does flip scum, you might want to consider not using it at all (or only using it on someone who has already full-claimed); if he's lying about his role, but there is another actual compulsive vig out there, accidentally targeting them could turn out very badly. As for this:
Raf. has a compulsory vig tonight, yes? Perhaps we should vote on that? (or at least express opinions)
-it would be Raf's hypothetical counter-part's turn tonight, but I have no idea who would be a good target. I've kinda lost my bearing here and will likely need a thorough reread tonight.
-it would be Raf's hypothetical counter-part's turn tonight, but I have no idea who would be a good target. I've kinda lost my bearing here and will likely need a thorough reread tonight.
My reasoning: If DKD flips scum then Infinis should be a good target.
If DKD flips town: WWAB, Mags is also a reasonable target although i highly doubt he is scum and regardless of the acting his imput is rather good.
Incindentally if Infinis is shot as flips scum you are in a very bad possition because of how tightly he has tied himself to DKD and you.
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"Claims are done at L-1"
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My point was that you only brought up something from so far behind but did nothing with it, like you are trying to start stuff without actually being the one to start it.
These are the only two points I want to address. I don't know when it became the norm to claim at L-2. I started it was L-1, why... people like Kpaca won't claim until then and on top of that, the town would near enough insta lynch the "oops"/speed/whatever excuse hammerer.
A disagreement in game theory is not a lie, try again. And the point is moot, I was intentionally goading you.
The second part is that a fact stands on its own. It's a scum tell, you did it. Does it make you scum, in and of itself, no. Was my case strong enough to get you to respond in an angry, inflammatory, point by point, derision of the case, yes? Scum in my opinion, would just have brushed off the case and let others dismantle it for them. So as I said then and now, you corrected and clarified your claim so many times I had my doubts about you.
My reasoning: If DKD flips scum then Infinis should be a good target.
If DKD flips town: WWAB, Mags is also a reasonable target although i highly doubt he is scum and regardless of the acting his imput is rather good.
Incindentally if Infinis is shot as flips scum you are in a very bad possition because of how tightly he has tied himself to DKD and you.
This is highly flawed. You blindly accept that no one as scum would pull a cop gambit, and yet you think that we as scum tied each other this tightly this early? What happens when I flip town? It means nothing about mags or WwaB alignment. Sadly the same can't be said about DKD and TFF.
Out of DKD and TFF, I think TFF is more likely scum. Because of AI's claim to have watched him.
And lastly, I escaped devourer last night, I wont tonight and in the off chance I don't get devoured and <censored> is town, I'm the perfect kill to implicate him.
And if <censored> should turn up dead, who would be implicated? Me and TFF, assuming DKD is today's lynch.
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As to DKD why he didnt try and kill <censored> night 1? WwaB is his barnacle so why not sink the ship?
Lastly, Axel has made a strong point with DKD's Mafia kills + SKs statement.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
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dropkickdude (8) - atlseal, Magwald, Wolf with a Bass, Shalako, RafaelK, Ecophagy, Axelrod, Sepiriel
Arcadic (1) - Vampyr
Magwald (1) - dropkickdude
It takes 8 to Lynch with 15 alive.
As of this post, dropkickdude has been lynched.
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The gaze was cool and assessing. The lips were pursed into a thin line. The hands stopped picking at their nails.
The arguments were winding down, a course of action tentatively decided. The shift in the debates could be felt as keenly as a blade tenderly sliding through flesh.
dropkickdude was not pleased. He flapped his cloak once, soundless as the grave. He cracked his shoulders and stood up, pursed lips turning into a reassuring smile. There was a glint of steel as a small blade was produced from beneath a sleeve.
It was a sort of pregnant pause that started to steamroll as more and more of you noticed his actions.
Then he moved.
And the nearest person was you.
For a single heart-stopping moment, all you could focus on was the hypnotic sight of a dagger weaving ever nearer.
Then someone barreled into dropkickdude and the both of them went down grappling. The blade was forced to the side and flung away, then forgotten in the melee. You gasped in a breath, shocked out of your stupor.
Then some began to move, with the intention of joining in. And the first to reach was Sepiriel, who picked up the dropped dagger and plunged the wicked blade grimly into dropkickdude’s back as the opportunity presented itself. The grappling immediately ceased.
Surprised was the expression on dropkickdude as he breathed his last, finally bested in the game he so prided on.
dropkickdude, The Dark Patriarch (Mafia) was lynched on Day 3.
Name: dropkickdude Alignment: Mafia Title: The Dark Patriarch Domain: Assassination is an art of the greatest finesse. The amount of discipline it requires. The knowledge of the blades unparallel to any others. The mindset honed to such perfection. The stench of blood pervades every breath. The cloak of shadows wrapped like a second skin. The lives extinguished without a single blink. That is the creed. Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Spell: Decree Note: The blade struck; therefore the heart must have been pierced. This highly dangerous spell reverses the laws of causality so that the reverse is true. The heart pierced; therefore the blade must have struck. The act of killing is a mere formality as the blade had already pierced the heart even before the attack was initiated. Ability: Concurrent, Night, all kills targeting the player with the least amount of total posts cannot be prevented.
~~~ Spell: Shade Note: This ritual manipulates the shadows inherent in all things to seal the things themselves partially out of synch with the rest of the world. This causes the identification of those things near impossible until a sufficient enough time has passed for the effects of the ritual to unravel themselves. The beauty here is that the caster is not affected. Ability: One-shot, Concurrent, Night, all items on targeted player that died tonight will only be revealed to you and not to the game thread.
Another down.
Oh, this was a definite progress.
It was certainly time then to take a short break to ease your mind and to contemplate on the day’s events.
Paranoia. Paranoia. Paranoia.
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It is now Night 3.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 4 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
Two more were killed during the break. Suddenly it didn’t seem like a reprieve anymore.
Did the peaceful break of the previous allow the illusion of normality? And caused the slackened vigilance?
The discussion started to resume. You heard with detached interest as one of your peers detailed the gruesome discoveries to you.
DYH was found with a blade rammed through his throat, red trickling down his front in a steady drip.
DYH, The Merchant Prince (Town) was impaled on Night 3.
Name: DYH Alignment: Town Title: The Merchant Prince Domain: The Merchant Guilds are a force to be reckoned with due to the amount of wealth they command. If there are clinks of gold to be heard, rest assured their influence will be keenly felt there. It is a pity among people equally wealthy but with far more authority, you are relegated to a less prestigious position. Win Condition: Eliminate the scums.
Artifact: Ring of Command Note: A beautiful golden ring inlaid with rubies around it is certainly a sight to behold. All the rubies seem to glow with an inner light when the ring was kissed, giving hints as to its magical nature. The ring houses an elemental servant of the air that will serve its master’s every command. Ability: Linked to 1 Follower which can only be moved together with the Ring of Command.
~~~ Follower: Djinn Note: A djinn of the ring is a creature out of myths that will reluctantly serve the whims of its master. While those same myths portrayed these djinns as creatures with insidious cunning or malicious wit, the one you control is little more than a mindless magical summon that bends to your will easily enough. Ability: Linked to Ring of Command, Night, track target player.
~~~ Artifact: Chest of Gold Note: Drop a chest of gold into someone’s lap and that lap is probably crushed if said someone is a normal mortal. But that aside, that much amount of gold is not something to be brushed aside casually. It could even be used to bribe anyone away from their former master to serve you. Ability: Night, giving Chest of Gold to target player will steal for you all Followers that player owns at the end of night.
Infinis was found dead as a doornail, a puppet with its string cut, lifeless eyes staring at horrors only it could perceive.
Infinis, The Keeper of Secrets (Town) was devoured on Night 3.
Name: Infinis Alignment: Town Title: The Keeper of Secrets Domain: There is a secret sect of magicians that live in the wilds, dedicating their lives to uncovering the truth of existence. Their communion with nature is so potent that nothing could be hidden or kept from their reach for long. Unfortunately, their secrecy is so paramount that everyone knows about the existence of the secret, if not its nature. Win Condition: Eliminate the scums.
Artifact: Orb of Whispers Note: If you whisper to the orb, it will whisper back to you. If you scream at the orb, it will still whisper back to you. It is a mysterious chrome orb that thrummed with power with each word exchanged. Every single past wielder of the orb has claimed that the whispers sometimes contain shards of truth. Ability: Night, name an Artifact, Spell or Follower. If it exists in the game, you will be told every detail pertaining to it.
~~~ Spell: Resonance Note: Morphological resonance of each artifact has a unique signature to it, unduplicated by any other means. However, if one is aware of such a fact, that signature resonance can be modulated carefully from another source to retrieve that artifact from its space-time position. Regrettably, such a morphological disorder destroys the structural integrity of the base artifact used. Ability: Night, name an Artifact. If it exists in the game and has yet to be discarded, discard an Artifact you own to steal the Artifact you have named, no matter where it may be.
While it was indeed informative, the eyes levied against you even as the mouth moved were full of suspicions, trying to gauge your own reaction. You offered back a pleasant smile that never reached your eyes, detailing your own insight as was to be expected and gauging the reaction you got in turn.
Each and every one of them could be malicious scum.
None of them could be trusted.
At every turn you moved, you saw a hidden blade. At every smile offered to you, an intention to kill.
desCoures - The Guildmaster, 2 artifacts, 2 spells (Town) - Killed Night 1
AlphaInsidious - The Ship Captain The Pirate King, 3 Artifacts (Neutral Mafia) - Claimed Scum Result was due to Item Interaction. Lynched D2
Arcadic - Lich? (?)
atlseal
Axelrod
creampuffeater - The Director, 1 Artifact, 3 Followers (Town) - Killed Night 1
dropkickdude - The Dark Patriarch [Assassin], 2 Spells (Mafia) Lynched Day 3
Ecophagy
Infinis - The Keeper of Secrets, 1 Artifact, 1 Spell (Town) Claims he can find out the characteristics of Items/Followers/Spells if he has the name [Confirmed] Killed N3
jskura - High Abbot, 4 one shot goo followers (Town) - Lynched Day 1 [Confirmed]
Shalako
Magwald - The Underbroker, 2 Followers (Town) Claims to have Passed an Artifact During N2
DYH - The Merchant Prince, 2 Artifacts, 1 Follower (Town) Claims Tracker like role [Confirmed] Killed N3
Rafaelk - ?, 1 Item, 2 Followers (?) Claims to be an Even Numbered Compulsory Vig, Said he received an item N2 that does "apparently nothing", Bodyguard Follower Item is Exhausted.
RobRoy - The Divine Voice, ? (?) Claims to have an effect called Pillars, it Docs+RB's a target used it on DKD N2
Sepiriel - The Grim Matriarch, 1 Spell 2 Followers (Town) Can Roleblock
TheFooFish - ?, 1 item (?) Item claimed is source of his "First Vote or Hammer" Vote Restriction.
Vampyr - The Living Avatar, 2 Spells, 1 Follower (Town) - Claims to be a Self-Redirector and Bomb
Wolf with a Bass
Wrath of DoG - The Oracle, 1 Spell, 1 Artifact (Town) - Killed Night 1
@Mags: your take on Infinis actually being town?
Personally i would like to know where RR used his pillars.
Communion stones are still with me.
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I most definitely want to hear from arc but dkd's post lacks any sort of...sincerity. It's a blatant barn, but not enough to really make him look insanely scummy at this stage in the game. I'd like to see how his voting patterns occur throughout this game.
You're being awfully defensive for some pretty minor pressure.
It's also interesting that you bristle at being told how to play while also chiding atlseal about his wording.
Unvote the random.
I'd like everyone to post a top 3 scum/town list.
1. WWAB - slow Day 1 wagon, and bad interactions with dead scum
2. RobRoy - Very distant feel to his play over the last 2 days with 2 scum dead.
3. Shalako - Disapearance Day 3 with little content towards the DKD wagon.
Town
Ecophagy - DKD interactions and overall townie feel
Vampyr - Bad flavor vote on me aside, he still feels very town.
Atlseal - Very townie push on players all game.
I think I need to kick it into overdrive today. Once again started a review last Night that I didn't finish. But I ought to have some time now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Neither flip surprises me, though seeing Infinis dead and his kill method makes me wonder why Mags killed him?
I targeted TFF last night and received nothing in return.
Infinis and RR were the logical targets for Mags. In hindsight, and after re-reading some of Infinis exchanges (particularly with DD) I wish he had picked RR, but it's hard to criticize.
One of the reasons I don't like you still is that you have been consistently supportive of Infinis for no good reason. Infinis never did anything to deserve being considered town.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'd like everyone to post a top 3 scum/town list.
1. WWAB - slow Day 1 wagon, and bad interactions with dead scum
2. RobRoy - Very distant feel to his play over the last 2 days with 2 scum dead.
3. Shalako - Disapearance Day 3 with little content towards the DKD wagon.
Town
Ecophagy - DKD interactions and overall townie feel
Vampyr - Bad flavor vote on me aside, he still feels very town.
Atlseal - Very townie push on players all game.
"Night 2 I passed Tinker & Tools to WWAB. At the time, he seemed townie, but the fact DKD vehemently listed him as scum right before his impending lynch now leads me to believe otherwise. I do want to hear if WWAB used Tinker & Tools last night, and if so, who did he use them on? That will go far towards lifting my recent suspicions."
"As for the mostly likely scum:
TFF - Mostly how hard he pushed the jskura wagon, his defense of DKD up until his turnabout when it was clear DKD's lynch was going through, etc. No claims either.
Axelrod - Hasn't claimed anything, and has literally fished his way through this game.
Neither flip surprises me, though seeing Infinis dead and his kill method makes me wonder why Mags killed him?
I targeted TFF last night and received nothing in return.
Vamp, why are you lying to the town?
I targetted TFF last night, my action got through, and the pm stated i hit TFF even if that had not been the case you would have received the Exhaustion notice which apparently you did not, so again...
"As for him flipping town, I'm actually surprised. His scummy play, combined with how he tied himself to AI and DKD really pointed to him being scum."
"Also my Devourer is exhausted. Eating Infinis gave him some bad gas and he has yet to recover."
Really? so you are expecting him to get better?
(Joking aside, thanks for giving me your thoughts)
TFF - Mostly how hard he pushed the jskura wagon, his defense of DKD up until his turnabout when it was clear DKD's lynch was going through, etc. No claims either.
Agree i also don't feel good about TFF, however Vamps lie is more damning right now.
Axelrod - Hasn't claimed anything, and has literally fished his way through this game.
Actually he claimed Even numbered Vig (Or is that someone else?)
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Scum:
Vamp
TFF
RR
Town:
Eco
Mags
Vampyr would have been on my town pile except he lied, dont really have a third choice for town right now, although Axel for me is in the leaning town pile, so you could consider him a possible third if you will.
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I used Pillars on RafaelK. Figured that whoever tried to off him last night might try again, as that was the window to finish him off before his next vig shot. Besides, with him claiming the vig shots and the bodyguard, I thought that the potential downside of blocking him was low.
I targetted TFF last night, my action got through, and the pm stated i hit TFF even if that had not been the case you would have received the Exhaustion notice which apparently you did not, so again...
VAMP WHY ARE YOU LYING TO THE TOWN?
I must be stupid. Explain the lie to me. You RB a target by making everything they have Exhausted, correct? He lures a target to force them to target him if they use a targeted ability.
Vampyr is claiming TFF used no targeted abilities last night. That actually bolsters both your claims. Where is the lie?
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Well, my intent was to post that I wouldn't be around much for the weekend, which will continue to be the case as my wife spends crazy hours on her job during the week and the weekend is our time together, but I find I have accusations levied against me.
So I will quickly address these now and will be back Monday for more in depth answers and rebuttals.
Infinis and RR were the logical targets for Mags. In hindsight, and after re-reading some of Infinis exchanges (particularly with DD) I wish he had picked RR, but it's hard to criticize.
One of the reasons I don't like you still is that you have been consistently supportive of Infinis for no good reason. Infinis never did anything to deserve being considered town.
Since I get the indication I'm getting mud slung at me in Infinis' post because I don't have posted feels on enough people, here goes:
[B]Mostly town:[/B]
5. DYH- I had a slightly scum read on DYH early on. He wasn't doing the proactive hunting that I expect from him. But his role reveal, targets and the fact that AI had a tracker/watcher item on him makes me think that DYH is highly likely to be town.
8. Magwald- His gambit, his being hit with the name reveal instead of AI and him jumping in to stop me from revealing unnecessary info Axel asked about trumps the minor lying, as I have no issues about him lying as a cop to flush a scum out, mis rep and quote hacking.
[B]Somewhat town[/B]
3. Axelrod- I originally had a very town feel about Axel. But his badgering of me about me targeting Arcadic gave me the feel that he was trying to bait me into something he could use to start a wagon. It also seems that he's fished for role info at least once towards me, albeit after I claimed, and was rather willing to have Sep claim. I don't find these actions overly scummy, but it does give me a small amount of concern over his intentions.
6. Ecophagy- I thought his post pointing out the issues with AI as well as his post explaining why Mag's gambit makes sense were exactly what I was thinking. Therefore I believe he's coming from a town mindset.
12. Shalako- Didn't like his plan on a lark plan for going for the top poster or the reason for doing so. Thought the daytalk item might have been bogus and just been some sort of crazy gambit plan. But it seems that the item was real. His repeated push for the AI wagon when there seemed to be reluctance to finish AI off started to change my mind on Shalako.
15. Wolf with a Bass- I had Wolf strongly as town based on his Day 1 flail. But since then, he's been mostly invisible which causes me to wonder if he simply isn't coasting and hoping that he can use the 'newb' card more.
[B]Neutral[/B]
2. atlseal- At first I wasn't sure about atlseal. As I said, he wasn't doing too much scumhunting in my eyes. And surprisingly, I'm still not sure about him. His post title plan, while I don't like the premise of it, makes me feel better about him, but that's about the only thing positive or negative that's stuck out about him recently.
4. dropkickdude- I had a slightly town read on DKD before Mags brought forth his case. I can see the merits of such as scum. Unfortunately, I can also see it as someone who was simply wrong. Right now, I'm just not sure on him.
11. Sepiriel- It's been very hard for me to get a handle on Sep. His overly natural defensiveness keeps making think he's hiding something. His rocket to the top poster with out being asked to do so, also struck me as not a good thing. But it did confirm the daytalk item, and clarify it somewhat, so that cancels out the previous. I'm still not sure about him.
13. TheFooFish- I originally had TFF as leaning town because of his vote restriction. I didn't think it made sense to cripple a scum player like that. Mag's theory about AI and TFF makes some sense and TFF's response to it is confusing and the way I originally read, if accurate, doesn't sit well with me.
[B]Somewhat scum[/B]
[B]7. Infinis- His refusal till recently to look at any one but Mags doesn't sit well. His vote analysis post seems bogus as well, though I'm not the most math/probabilities oriented person, his conclusions strike me as slanted with assumptions. [/B]
9. RafaelK- Raf hasn't been the usual Raf. Maybe RL is overloading him, but that post that Axel points out that there are mistakes and/or him missing stuff makes me wonder. I'll be suspicious of him as a possible SK till the other half "vig" comes forth.
10. RobRoy- I didn't like his push on Wolf very much. I think he was a bit too self aware with the lowest posting deal. And I really don't see him doing a lot of scum hunting.
[B]Mostly scum[/B]
1. Arcadic- I still don't like the item or his reveal. Plus now he's stated he can move the Phylactery around at will. What good is that?
This is just the first post that comes to mind that would suggest your statement isn't accurate. I said once that I felt he was a truly misguided townie and that was after he came after me and then disappeared faster than smoke in a hurricane once I theorized it was him that name cop'ed Mags. To me he was coming off all arrogance and bluster, and was so sure of himself over it, that I had a gut feeling, at that time, that he was town.
I targetted TFF last night, my action got through, and the pm stated i hit TFF even if that had not been the case you would have received the Exhaustion notice which apparently you did not, so again...
[B]VAMP WHY ARE YOU LYING TO THE TOWN?[/B]
[B]Vote Vampyr[B]
I'm not. My action was successful last night. And I received nothing from TFF for my efforts.
Actually he claimed Even numbered Vig (Or is that someone else?)
You're the one with the claim list, isn't it on there?
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As for a scum list, in no particular order:
Arcadic
RR/Sepiriel: I don't believe that both roles are town. I think one of them is the scum RB'er. And I'd lean towards RR at this point, but I have nothing more than a gut feeling on this.
I'm really not sure of a third. My first inclination is to look at those that haven't claimed, but at this point those that haven't are people I had a at least a neutral read on.
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Since all of my suspects are now dead, I need to put a serious re-read and get some kind of idea of the game state. The only read I have that isn't really open to change is that of Magwald being town.
I also have no idea what Sepiriel means when he says Vampyr lied.
Vamp, I do not understand. You are acting like you are expecting to receive something for your "efforts", but aren't you using an ability that just forces a player to target you? What were you expecting?
Or is it just because you received items the other times you did this that you now believe getting items from your target is some secret part of the ability that is not listed?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
With DKD and Infinis gone and their alignments confirmed, I want to do a fresh reading before anything else. Happily, this is a long weekend for me.
I can't confirm or deny being blocked last night, but as I had no action this should nit be a surprise. The only night message I had was that the "Lidless Eye" I got the previous night vanished during the night.
It is possible this is a misrep. Like I said, I didn't review the whole thread last night, but I read most of the day 1 stuff. I suppose that may be where you seemed to be unreasonably defending unreasonably Infinis the most.
Day 2 is next on the list.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
jksura hasn't said anything else yet, which is troubling. I understand he's claiming lack of Internet which can't really be verified one way or the other, so that kind of puts me in "wait and see" mode. Still would like some opinions from him.
And also does not seem completely consistent with how jksura posted before. It seems unlikely a guy with 4 1-shot non-transferrable "followers," (why are they "goo?" What the heck is a Goo in this game?) would (A) refer to himself as a "vanilla" townie, and (B) when challenged about the vanilla remark defend it by saying that items are transferrable so it makes sense to think of us as vanilla with items.
This just doesn't seem like a way you would naturally respond with the role you have now claimed.
"Axelrod doesn't buy jskura's claim at all, fair enough, many didn't. You'll see why this is relevant soon."
CPE: please elaborate when you say jskura does have "those" four followers, are you confirming that he has four "goo" followers and that they are the colors that he stated? I understand you to say you can't confirm what they actually do, but I want to know how much exactly you are confirming of this claim.
Do not blow your ability to confirm what they do. That isn't hugely important right now.
It would be slightly more relevant if you could confirm whether they were transferrable or not, but I still don't think that's enough to lose your ability for.
I have to say that part of my problem was with the flavor of the claim, but this much appears to be confirmed, so now I guess I have less of a problem. Mechanics-wise (if true, of course) it's a role that makes somewhat less sense for scum perhaps - some of those followers seems kind of pointless for scum - but not impossible.
I'm torn.
"Not hugely important? On the cusp of a lynch Axelrod doesn't want CPE to prove jskura's claim. Why would a townie not want to clear another player? Axelrod's logic is terrible here."
The reason I'm torn is that the behavior case isn't overwhelming. There are a few points, here and there, but nothing I'd say is a smoking gun. Mainly I see (1) his we are all vanilla comment - which I still don't like given the claimed role (2) his possible slip referring to WWaB, and (3) his lack of posting much relevant opinions on other players. He's been defensive, but I don't like that much as a tell, and it negates #3 a bit as much of the attention has been on himself.
"The behavior case isn't overwhelming? Didn't Axelrod find jskura's claim to be 'bad' just a few posts earlier? That's right, he did. At this point, jskura's lynch was all but confirmed, so now Axelrod is backing away to get townie cred when jskura flipped."
I just noticed the "Axelrod is scum" at the top of this post. This annoys me. You being cryptic is also annoying me. There had better be a good point to this to be explained very shortly. If the answer is "I was just messing around to get reads" then I will be...displeased.
How can we give you an opinion on this based on what you have said?
Would you like to give us some kind of "hint" as to why you think this might be a good move? You have some kind of information? About another player? About yourself? Right now all I see is you saying you think it's correct, but are not sure.
I can't believe I'm considering letting AI live another day. That just seems sooooo wrong. Miller claim in response to a Cop claim just ought to be instant death, even if the "Cop" was totally lying.
But I guess, if he does, in fact, produce an item that shows people as scum, the Miller point would be proven, which would remove the most damning point against him. The issue there, of course, is how do we guarantee he passes it and how exactly do we "know" that the person who allegedly ends up with it is telling the truth. I know a few people are suggesting me as the target for this possible pass, but it just seems so many things can go wrong there.
Yet again, I am torn. And possibly about to go into serious busy mode again which will keep me from paying any serious attention to this game for several days. Sorry.
"Horrible fence sit on AI. Currently AI was at 6 votes, so Axelrod still had some room to manuver before the lynch went through."
This wouldn't by any chance come from an item you can transfer, would it?
“More fishing. This is where I stopped my PBPA, because I realized that all his posts were essentially like this. Basically Axelrod has done nothing but bait information this entire game and fence sit. His waffling on jskura right before the mislynch was terrible, and his fence sit on AI was equally bad, if not moreso.”
Vamp, I do not understand. You are acting like you are expecting to receive something for your "efforts", but aren't you using an ability that just forces a player to target you? What were you expecting?
Or is it just because you received items the other times you did this that you now believe getting items from your target is some secret part of the ability that is not listed?
“I’m citing the above post just to highlight that Axelrod is still fishing like crazy, even to this day.”
Death is Eternal:
1. Dagger, The Moderator (Town) - Impaled at Prelude
2. jskura, The High Abbot (Town) - Lynched Day 1
3. creampuffeater, The Director (Town) - Strangled Night 1
4. desCoures, The Guildmaster (Town) - Impaled Night 1
5. Wrath of DoG, The Oracle (Town) - Bloodied Night 1
6. AlphaInsidious, The Pirate King (Mafia) - Lynched Day 2
7. dropkickdude, The Dark Patriarch (Mafia) - Lynched Day 3
8. DYH, The Merchant Prince (Town) - Impaled Night 3
9. Infinis, The Keeper of Secrets (Town) - Devoured Night 3
“I also realized that the flavor of the scum nightkill is impalement.”
1. Arcadic, leaning town.
2. atlseal, using less aggressive playstyle; Leaning town
3. Axelrod Null can`t remember much from him.
4. Ecophagy I am suspicious of Eco but I don't know why
5. Magwald Town
6. RafaelK ???
7. RobRoy ???
8. Sepiriel Town
9. Shalako Clint Eastwood
10. TheFooFish ???
11. Vampyr Leaning town.
12. Wolf with a Bass dissipated.
[QUOTE=Sepiriel;/comments/10714406]Vamp, why are you lying to the town?
I targetted TFF last night, my action got through, and the pm stated i hit TFF even if that had not been the case you would have received the Exhaustion notice which apparently you did not, so again...
Celebrating Carolina victory. Post more later. Magwald sucks horribly. Does not know what fishing is. Probably still town.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The full quote for context if you don't want to click the link. Infinis says he's going to look into why CPE is dead and DKD says "I can help with that." (like, he knows something).
This is immediately followed by Arcadic speculating that CPE was killed by a counterpart compulsory vig to Raf, and DKD's
No, not looking good at all....
Ok, gonna have to explain why your bolded part is condemning.
I'm missing something.
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I was told I searched for him for most of the Night, but was unable to locate him before morning.
I was trying to click the sad face smiley.
I did not target CPE.
I have an Artifact named Bloodthirsty Dagger that requires me to kill.
I din't want to try breadcrumbing this game. I didn't want to have to get to claim range with my Decree Spell, because I didn't want the Mafia to know about it.
I was trying to follow the bait, without being too transparent. There were a lot of kills flying around and I was trying to get some other thoughts on them.
Like I said, I didn't want the Mafia coming close to my role or having any reason to RoleCop me. I was trying to get you lynched without having to claim my own role.
I was trying to point to what I thought explained it. I figured Infinis would give my opinion some weight, but I didn't want to make it sound like I was the one who came up with the idea.
I have been on the record for a while that I thought WWaB was scum, but was called scummy for it. I wanted him dead, but had nothing more than what I had on Day 1. Again, I didn't want Decree outed.
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Sep perma blocking me is actually a good thing at this point. Even though I'm convinced that WWaB and Mags are scum and would love to execute them, I can now claim without fear of being used. Lynch me if you wish, my analytical skills haven't been too "good" (read: accepted by the majority) anyways, and that's all I am now.
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People get caged by light. They can't do anything, and also can't be hurt.
Not feeling the claim by dkd. There's a difference between not breadcrumbing and saying something that isn't true. Axel's find is a definite inconsistency. I'm also willing to vote him whenever we're ready to end the day.
I do not know what this means. What "bait?"
You supposedly knew (unlike everyone else) that there would have been even more kills "flying around" but for the fact that your own kill mysteriously failed to work.
Also, your post was a general summary type post. It was not an inquiry. You were not questioning anyone. I see no evidence of you trying to get anyone's thoughts on the large # of kills. I see a completely misleading post if what you say is true.
I also do not know what this means. You were trying to point to what? Infinis said he would try to look into why CPE died. What are you pointing to when you say "I can help with this?"
What about that part where...I don't know...you tried to KILL him, and it FAILED? This did not raise your suspicions even slightly?
Your wish, my command, yada yada.
I don't know what the vote is, and I don't know if anyone else has anything they want to do/say before the day ends, but this is where the day is ending.
Gasp as Cyan fakes an investigation on Andelijah in Dictionary mafia. Laugh as Tilde fake investigates Toastboy in Sybiote mafia. Cry as Nom_Anor false claims to have investigated someone (Az?) in Doha mafia.
These are but three examples of town players running this exact gambit. You will of course notice that never before has scum false claimed a scum result on a buddy.
You are beaten not only by logic, but by precedent too.
I'm sorry we didn't read your mind and work out what smiley you meant to put there? From your post, it is clear that you hinted at killing CPE. Raging because you wrote the post wrong is mind boggling.
Things which this claim lacks: Flavour. To wit: Flavour of role, flavour of Decree, both actual item and flavour behind compulsory kill. Preview Edit: Still no flavour for compulsory kill...
Uh...Mags isn't a vig - he has a restricted one shot which might kill, and you and Raf together make one vigilante role. So, not exactly convincing. You also don't mention the rather-obvious-vig-shot WoD (which would actually add weight to the "too-many-vigs theory"), which implies you're just making this stuff up as you go along.
Further, this:
is incredibly damning - you shot WWaB and, when he didn't die, just let him be? Really? At the very least, you'd continue to vote him. You keep saying "oh I didn't want the scum to know about Shade", but you could have always, you know, not claimed it.
Basically, this claim looks half-baked - totally lacking in flavour, having to be prodded to provide an item. I have no qualms about DKD being today's lynch.
Vote: DKD
I would like to be on the lynch this time. Anyone else got something to say, now's the time.
Raf. has a compulsory vig tonight, yes? Perhaps we should vote on that? (or at least express opinions)
I think I'm liking Infinis still.
"Then why not edit by way of double post? Why not clarify that right away? This just reads like you're caught and trying to retcon your comments."
"Another all-too convenient answer."
"You're getting lynched because you're scummy, your actions don't match your claimed role, and now you're trying to backtrack on what you said earlier. It has nothing to do with your reads."
"I thought his vig shot was only even numbered nights. Remember, last night he tried to kill DKD."
"I really have nothing more to say today, only that I'm all out of Cuban cigars. We need to finish up here so I can resume my underworld dealings. Goodnight all."
Ok, I was trying to put claimed roles together to figure out the disconnect. I wasn't thinking of trying to reconcile night actions.
How about me and who I deal with tonight?
I'm open to suggestions and reasons behind suggesting them.
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I now see what the issue is with DKD and I'm ok with seeing him hang and willing to vote him when necessary.
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I thought so but a reread corrects me in my timing, i need to reassess the argument now, apologies for the mistake.
Sigh..... fine lets just go with that.... it is not worth the ulcer.
I agree with you on this.
I have no problem with the lynch now and have nothing further to add.
If for some miracle we aren't into night by the time i come back from school (9 hours from now more or less) i'll be placing the hammer.
If DKD does flip scum, you might want to consider not using it at all (or only using it on someone who has already full-claimed); if he's lying about his role, but there is another actual compulsive vig out there, accidentally targeting them could turn out very badly. As for this:
-it would be Raf's hypothetical counter-part's turn tonight, but I have no idea who would be a good target. I've kinda lost my bearing here and will likely need a thorough reread tonight.
My reasoning: If DKD flips scum then Infinis should be a good target.
If DKD flips town: WWAB, Mags is also a reasonable target although i highly doubt he is scum and regardless of the acting his imput is rather good.
Incindentally if Infinis is shot as flips scum you are in a very bad possition because of how tightly he has tied himself to DKD and you.
These are the only two points I want to address. I don't know when it became the norm to claim at L-2. I started it was L-1, why... people like Kpaca won't claim until then and on top of that, the town would near enough insta lynch the "oops"/speed/whatever excuse hammerer.
A disagreement in game theory is not a lie, try again. And the point is moot, I was intentionally goading you.
The second part is that a fact stands on its own. It's a scum tell, you did it. Does it make you scum, in and of itself, no. Was my case strong enough to get you to respond in an angry, inflammatory, point by point, derision of the case, yes? Scum in my opinion, would just have brushed off the case and let others dismantle it for them. So as I said then and now, you corrected and clarified your claim so many times I had my doubts about you.
This is highly flawed. You blindly accept that no one as scum would pull a cop gambit, and yet you think that we as scum tied each other this tightly this early? What happens when I flip town? It means nothing about mags or WwaB alignment. Sadly the same can't be said about DKD and TFF.
Out of DKD and TFF, I think TFF is more likely scum. Because of AI's claim to have watched him.
And lastly, I escaped devourer last night, I wont tonight and in the off chance I don't get devoured and <censored> is town, I'm the perfect kill to implicate him.
And if <censored> should turn up dead, who would be implicated? Me and TFF, assuming DKD is today's lynch.
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As to DKD why he didnt try and kill <censored> night 1? WwaB is his barnacle so why not sink the ship?
Lastly, Axel has made a strong point with DKD's Mafia kills + SKs statement.
12-11? I'm losing track
If DKD is scum, Mag is definitely off the table.
If DKD is town, then this discussion is pointless since tonight's vig would be dead.
Meh. I can understand that, but I'll deal with tomorrow, tomorrow.
No, my vig doesn't come up again until night 4.
unvote, vote dkd
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dropkickdude (8) - atlseal, Magwald, Wolf with a Bass, Shalako, RafaelK, Ecophagy, Axelrod, Sepiriel
Arcadic (1) - Vampyr
Magwald (1) - dropkickdude
It takes 8 to Lynch with 15 alive.
As of this post, dropkickdude has been lynched.
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The gaze was cool and assessing. The lips were pursed into a thin line. The hands stopped picking at their nails.
The arguments were winding down, a course of action tentatively decided. The shift in the debates could be felt as keenly as a blade tenderly sliding through flesh.
dropkickdude was not pleased. He flapped his cloak once, soundless as the grave. He cracked his shoulders and stood up, pursed lips turning into a reassuring smile. There was a glint of steel as a small blade was produced from beneath a sleeve.
It was a sort of pregnant pause that started to steamroll as more and more of you noticed his actions.
Then he moved.
And the nearest person was you.
For a single heart-stopping moment, all you could focus on was the hypnotic sight of a dagger weaving ever nearer.
Then someone barreled into dropkickdude and the both of them went down grappling. The blade was forced to the side and flung away, then forgotten in the melee. You gasped in a breath, shocked out of your stupor.
Then some began to move, with the intention of joining in. And the first to reach was Sepiriel, who picked up the dropped dagger and plunged the wicked blade grimly into dropkickdude’s back as the opportunity presented itself. The grappling immediately ceased.
Surprised was the expression on dropkickdude as he breathed his last, finally bested in the game he so prided on.
dropkickdude, The Dark Patriarch (Mafia) was lynched on Day 3.
Name: dropkickdude
Alignment: Mafia
Title: The Dark Patriarch
Domain: Assassination is an art of the greatest finesse. The amount of discipline it requires. The knowledge of the blades unparallel to any others. The mindset honed to such perfection. The stench of blood pervades every breath. The cloak of shadows wrapped like a second skin. The lives extinguished without a single blink. That is the creed.
Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Spell: Decree
Note: The blade struck; therefore the heart must have been pierced. This highly dangerous spell reverses the laws of causality so that the reverse is true. The heart pierced; therefore the blade must have struck. The act of killing is a mere formality as the blade had already pierced the heart even before the attack was initiated.
Ability: Concurrent, Night, all kills targeting the player with the least amount of total posts cannot be prevented.
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Spell: Shade
Note: This ritual manipulates the shadows inherent in all things to seal the things themselves partially out of synch with the rest of the world. This causes the identification of those things near impossible until a sufficient enough time has passed for the effects of the ritual to unravel themselves. The beauty here is that the caster is not affected.
Ability: One-shot, Concurrent, Night, all items on targeted player that died tonight will only be revealed to you and not to the game thread.
Oh, this was a definite progress.
It was certainly time then to take a short break to ease your mind and to contemplate on the day’s events.
Paranoia. Paranoia. Paranoia.
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It is now Night 3.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 4 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Did the peaceful break of the previous allow the illusion of normality? And caused the slackened vigilance?
The discussion started to resume. You heard with detached interest as one of your peers detailed the gruesome discoveries to you.
DYH was found with a blade rammed through his throat, red trickling down his front in a steady drip.
DYH, The Merchant Prince (Town) was impaled on Night 3.
Name: DYH
Alignment: Town
Title: The Merchant Prince
Domain: The Merchant Guilds are a force to be reckoned with due to the amount of wealth they command. If there are clinks of gold to be heard, rest assured their influence will be keenly felt there. It is a pity among people equally wealthy but with far more authority, you are relegated to a less prestigious position.
Win Condition: Eliminate the scums.
Artifact: Ring of Command
Note: A beautiful golden ring inlaid with rubies around it is certainly a sight to behold. All the rubies seem to glow with an inner light when the ring was kissed, giving hints as to its magical nature. The ring houses an elemental servant of the air that will serve its master’s every command.
Ability: Linked to 1 Follower which can only be moved together with the Ring of Command.
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Follower: Djinn
Note: A djinn of the ring is a creature out of myths that will reluctantly serve the whims of its master. While those same myths portrayed these djinns as creatures with insidious cunning or malicious wit, the one you control is little more than a mindless magical summon that bends to your will easily enough.
Ability: Linked to Ring of Command, Night, track target player.
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Artifact: Chest of Gold
Note: Drop a chest of gold into someone’s lap and that lap is probably crushed if said someone is a normal mortal. But that aside, that much amount of gold is not something to be brushed aside casually. It could even be used to bribe anyone away from their former master to serve you.
Ability: Night, giving Chest of Gold to target player will steal for you all Followers that player owns at the end of night.
Infinis, The Keeper of Secrets (Town) was devoured on Night 3.
Name: Infinis
Alignment: Town
Title: The Keeper of Secrets
Domain: There is a secret sect of magicians that live in the wilds, dedicating their lives to uncovering the truth of existence. Their communion with nature is so potent that nothing could be hidden or kept from their reach for long. Unfortunately, their secrecy is so paramount that everyone knows about the existence of the secret, if not its nature.
Win Condition: Eliminate the scums.
Artifact: Orb of Whispers
Note: If you whisper to the orb, it will whisper back to you. If you scream at the orb, it will still whisper back to you. It is a mysterious chrome orb that thrummed with power with each word exchanged. Every single past wielder of the orb has claimed that the whispers sometimes contain shards of truth.
Ability: Night, name an Artifact, Spell or Follower. If it exists in the game, you will be told every detail pertaining to it.
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Spell: Resonance
Note: Morphological resonance of each artifact has a unique signature to it, unduplicated by any other means. However, if one is aware of such a fact, that signature resonance can be modulated carefully from another source to retrieve that artifact from its space-time position. Regrettably, such a morphological disorder destroys the structural integrity of the base artifact used.
Ability: Night, name an Artifact. If it exists in the game and has yet to be discarded, discard an Artifact you own to steal the Artifact you have named, no matter where it may be.
Each and every one of them could be malicious scum.
None of them could be trusted.
At every turn you moved, you saw a hidden blade. At every smile offered to you, an intention to kill.
Who to trust?
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It is now Day 4.
It takes 7 to Lynch with 12 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
AlphaInsidious -
The Ship CaptainThe Pirate King, 3 Artifacts (NeutralMafia) -Claimed Scum Result was due to Item Interaction.Lynched D2Arcadic - Lich? (?)
atlseal
Axelrod
creampuffeater - The Director, 1 Artifact, 3 Followers (Town) - Killed Night 1
dropkickdude - The Dark Patriarch [Assassin], 2 Spells (Mafia) Lynched Day 3
Ecophagy
Infinis - The Keeper of Secrets, 1 Artifact, 1 Spell (Town) Claims he can find out the characteristics of Items/Followers/Spells if he has the name [Confirmed] Killed N3
jskura - High Abbot, 4 one shot goo followers (Town) - Lynched Day 1 [Confirmed]
Shalako
Magwald - The Underbroker, 2 Followers (Town) Claims to have Passed an Artifact During N2
DYH - The Merchant Prince, 2 Artifacts, 1 Follower (Town) Claims Tracker like role [Confirmed] Killed N3
Rafaelk - ?, 1 Item, 2 Followers (?) Claims to be an Even Numbered Compulsory Vig, Said he received an item N2 that does "apparently nothing", Bodyguard Follower Item is Exhausted.
RobRoy - The Divine Voice, ? (?) Claims to have an effect called Pillars, it Docs+RB's a target used it on DKD N2
Sepiriel - The Grim Matriarch, 1 Spell 2 Followers (Town) Can Roleblock
TheFooFish - ?, 1 item (?) Item claimed is source of his "First Vote or Hammer" Vote Restriction.
Vampyr - The Living Avatar, 2 Spells, 1 Follower (Town) - Claims to be a Self-Redirector and Bomb
Wolf with a Bass
Wrath of DoG - The Oracle, 1 Spell, 1 Artifact (Town) - Killed Night 1
@Mags: your take on Infinis actually being town?
Personally i would like to know where RR used his pillars.
Communion stones are still with me.
I've been re-reading the early day 1 posts. WWAB looks scummy as heck when talking about DKD. This is the post i keep coming back to
There there's this interaction
I'd like everyone to post a top 3 scum/town list.
1. WWAB - slow Day 1 wagon, and bad interactions with dead scum
2. RobRoy - Very distant feel to his play over the last 2 days with 2 scum dead.
3. Shalako - Disapearance Day 3 with little content towards the DKD wagon.
Town
Ecophagy - DKD interactions and overall townie feel
Vampyr - Bad flavor vote on me aside, he still feels very town.
Atlseal - Very townie push on players all game.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Town:
Eco
atlseal
mags
Scum:
RR
a bunch of people....
Vote: RobRoy
I think I need to kick it into overdrive today. Once again started a review last Night that I didn't finish. But I ought to have some time now.
I targeted TFF last night and received nothing in return.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
Infinis and RR were the logical targets for Mags. In hindsight, and after re-reading some of Infinis exchanges (particularly with DD) I wish he had picked RR, but it's hard to criticize.
One of the reasons I don't like you still is that you have been consistently supportive of Infinis for no good reason. Infinis never did anything to deserve being considered town.
Anyone else want to claim anything they did/that happened? I'm working on an updated diagram.
Town:
Eco
RafK
Vampyr
Mag
(I know, I know, it's 4, not 3. live with it)
Scum:
Arcadic
RR/Axelrod (I have one or the other as scum thanks to Axelrod's entrance into today)
Shalako
TFF
(Again, I know, I know. it's 4, not 3)
That should actually be:
Arcadic/Shalako (much in the same idea as RR/Axelrod)
RR/Axelrod
TFF
"You play in dirt, you get dirty."
"As for him flipping town, I'm actually surprised. His scummy play, combined with how he tied himself to AI and DKD really pointed to him being scum."
"Also my Devourer is exhausted. Eating Infinis gave him some bad gas and he has yet to recover."
"Night 2 I passed Tinker & Tools to WWAB. At the time, he seemed townie, but the fact DKD vehemently listed him as scum right before his impending lynch now leads me to believe otherwise. I do want to hear if WWAB used Tinker & Tools last night, and if so, who did he use them on? That will go far towards lifting my recent suspicions."
"As for the mostly likely scum:
TFF - Mostly how hard he pushed the jskura wagon, his defense of DKD up until his turnabout when it was clear DKD's lynch was going through, etc. No claims either.
Axelrod - Hasn't claimed anything, and has literally fished his way through this game.
They are my top 2 suspects."
"I like this list. I need to look into Arcadic again. I believe he had some notable interactions with DesCoures day 1 that demand rereads."
"I disagree that Shally is scum. He is incredibly self conscious as scum, just read Soda Mafia. Here he appears his normal unfiltered townie self."
I targetted TFF last night, my action got through, and the pm stated i hit TFF even if that had not been the case you would have received the Exhaustion notice which apparently you did not, so again...
VAMP WHY ARE YOU LYING TO THE TOWN?
Vote Vampyr
Really? so you are expecting him to get better?
(Joking aside, thanks for giving me your thoughts)
Agree i also don't feel good about TFF, however Vamps lie is more damning right now.
Actually he claimed Even numbered Vig (Or is that someone else?)
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Scum:
Vamp
TFF
RR
Town:
Eco
Mags
Vampyr would have been on my town pile except he lied, dont really have a third choice for town right now, although Axel for me is in the leaning town pile, so you could consider him a possible third if you will.
@RR: What do you make of Vampyr's lie?
I must be stupid. Explain the lie to me. You RB a target by making everything they have Exhausted, correct? He lures a target to force them to target him if they use a targeted ability.
Vampyr is claiming TFF used no targeted abilities last night. That actually bolsters both your claims. Where is the lie?
So I will quickly address these now and will be back Monday for more in depth answers and rebuttals.
I believe saying "consistently" is a misrep:
This is just the first post that comes to mind that would suggest your statement isn't accurate. I said once that I felt he was a truly misguided townie and that was after he came after me and then disappeared faster than smoke in a hurricane once I theorized it was him that name cop'ed Mags. To me he was coming off all arrogance and bluster, and was so sure of himself over it, that I had a gut feeling, at that time, that he was town.
I'm not. My action was successful last night. And I received nothing from TFF for my efforts.
PM'ing the mod about something before I say more.
You're the one with the claim list, isn't it on there?
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As for a scum list, in no particular order:
Arcadic
RR/Sepiriel: I don't believe that both roles are town. I think one of them is the scum RB'er. And I'd lean towards RR at this point, but I have nothing more than a gut feeling on this.
I'm really not sure of a third. My first inclination is to look at those that haven't claimed, but at this point those that haven't are people I had a at least a neutral read on.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
I also have no idea what Sepiriel means when he says Vampyr lied.
Or is it just because you received items the other times you did this that you now believe getting items from your target is some secret part of the ability that is not listed?
I can't confirm or deny being blocked last night, but as I had no action this should nit be a surprise. The only night message I had was that the "Lidless Eye" I got the previous night vanished during the night.
It is possible this is a misrep. Like I said, I didn't review the whole thread last night, but I read most of the day 1 stuff. I suppose that may be where you seemed to be unreasonably defending unreasonably Infinis the most.
Day 2 is next on the list.
Second, Vamp, you should be thanking Sep. Like a lot.
Third, Mag
Fourth, Vote WwaB
Unvote FoV: RR
"Fishing. Looking into neutral options - possible SK paranoia that scum tend to have?"
"Subtle wagon push."
"Axelrod doesn't buy jskura's claim at all, fair enough, many didn't. You'll see why this is relevant soon."
"Fishing for info from the information role."
"Not hugely important? On the cusp of a lynch Axelrod doesn't want CPE to prove jskura's claim. Why would a townie not want to clear another player? Axelrod's logic is terrible here."
"The behavior case isn't overwhelming? Didn't Axelrod find jskura's claim to be 'bad' just a few posts earlier? That's right, he did. At this point, jskura's lynch was all but confirmed, so now Axelrod is backing away to get townie cred when jskura flipped."
"More distancing from the lynch, despite pushing earlier."
"Fish."
"More fishing."
"Fish."
"Fish."
"Big fish."
"Fish."
"He's back to his speculation from day 1, except instead of just being a neutral, now I’m a SK."
“See posts 997, 1001, 1004, 1007, 1012, 1013. All by Axelrod, all fishing.”
"Horrible fence sit on AI. Currently AI was at 6 votes, so Axelrod still had some room to manuver before the lynch went through."
“More fishing. This is where I stopped my PBPA, because I realized that all his posts were essentially like this. Basically Axelrod has done nothing but bait information this entire game and fence sit. His waffling on jskura right before the mislynch was terrible, and his fence sit on AI was equally bad, if not moreso.”
“I’m citing the above post just to highlight that Axelrod is still fishing like crazy, even to this day.”
“I also realized that the flavor of the scum nightkill is impalement.”
“vote: Axelrod”
Vote: Axelrod
Lol.
What?
Why does this make you mad?
That`s not really a tell, most of that is justified. I read him as more lurking in plain sight.
Psst this is after you revealed you had a role that ATE PEOPLE.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Yeah, I'm not seeing anything strong in that case. And I really disagree with some of it.
Town: Mag, atlseal, vamp
Scum: RR, arcadic, eco