Well, I had figured out the Lidless Eye thing already. Yay. But atlseal made it so obvious to anyone looking that it made me doubt that this would be a Cop item, because, why would a Cop essentially announce his item like that? Plus, and here I have to go back and check, but it just didn't seem like atlseal was acting towards his "investigation" targets like I would have thought he would. Besides being strongly pro-Vamp today, that is.
It seems like we are claiming now. This will be fun.
I am The Sovereign.
I have three items. One of each.
My artifact is called the Jade ****** (and the only reason I am not saying its full name is on the off chance that knowing the name of an item allows scum to mess with it. I think we've seen some of this already) This artifact emits an aura so terrifying that it prevents others from copying/stealing or otherwise messing with any other items I have. This only stops someone trying to mess with items, nothing else.
My spell is called Sanctuary. I am going ahead and saying it's name because this spell does nothing. I querried Dagger extensively on this in the hope that maybe it actually did something I was unaware of, but it really appears to do nothing. Dagger has apparently placed a number of dummy items like this in the game.
My follower is caller the ***********. This is a 1-shot vig. item. I have NOT used him yet this game.
What's that you say? Another vig item you say? I call BS you say? Well, yeah, I might be skeptical myself frankly. But there it is.
I pseudo-subclaimed my whole role in my first 4 posts of the game, though I didn't make it so anyone could ever figure it out this time (as opposed to spelling something out, which I figure I've overdone).
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I decree the RVS hereby reinstated.
The "I decree" part is a reference to my title as the Sovereign.
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You are trembling with fear. I sense it.
This is a reference to the Jade Artifact.
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Unvote;
Vote: Arcadic
Let the smiting begin!
"Smiting" here is a reference to the vig. ability.
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I'm feeling somewhat useless atm.
Should hopefully be more back on track soon.
"Useless" here is a reference to the Sancuary Spell that does not do anything.
Normally, I would have used the vig item well before now, but I really, really didn't want to screw it up, and was determined to review extensively before firing it off. Plus, I've just been busy.
Still busy, in fact. Be back later.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, I had figured out the Lidless Eye thing already. Yay. But atlseal made it so obvious to anyone looking that it made me doubt that this would be a Cop item, because, why would a Cop essentially announce his item like that? Plus, and here I have to go back and check, but it just didn't seem like atlseal was acting towards his "investigation" targets like I would have thought he would. Besides being strongly pro-Vamp today, that is.
What this says to me: Let's try to cast doubt on the cop (oh yeah, after we cast doubt on the super saint). == "I am scum"
Aradic, you could target Axelrod tonight if you like.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
What this says to me: Let's try to cast doubt on the cop (oh yeah, after we cast doubt on the super saint). == "I am scum"
"That's how I read it. Also, only his 1 shot vig actually lets him perform night actions, the other ones just sort of sit there. Why didn't he try to vig DKD on night 2? Or Vampyr at any point in this game, especially because of his suspicions of him? This claim is terrible, even TFF's claim is more plausible."
"Now his buddy Eco will probably claim something equally convenient and useful."
@Arcadic - "Sepiriel is not the scummiest out of he, Eco, and Axelrod. I say this because posts like the following have given me a good feeling about Sep:"
I lied about Interpretation being one-shot. I can use it on even numbered days. I hit magwald with it (1) Because it looked like AI was going to be lynched very quickly and I didn't want to miss a chance to use it (2) As I said, because I didn't think there were two repeatable info/vulnerable items in the game (3) Because I thought AI was likely getting lynched regardless, so using it on him seemed like a waste of the ability
I lied about it being one-shot before in hopes that scum would let there guard down today and try false claiming a name. -We'll see how that goes.
For all that he claimed to be, Axelrod sure didn't seem like much kneeling on the ground gripping his chest and dry-retching to kingdom come. His breaths were short and painful, each wheeze causing him physical pain. His movements were jerky and abrupt, seemingly motions arrested in a mockery of a man. Worse were his eyes, as they glazed off into the distance at a hell only he could perceive.
There was a bated breath from the collective. The scene seemed disturbingly familiar.
As if a phase had passed and the strings were cut, it ended as suddenly as it began. Axelrod's body stiffened, his eyes rolled backward into his head, and his limbs lost all grip. There was an understanding which burned into your mind even as he stopped moving.
Axelrod laid still on the floor, the only sound heard was his breathing. Miraculously, he was still alive, even as he began to struggle weakly to get up.
Hmm... that wasn't particularly helpful. Don't like another claimed kill ability. And the Jade item seems pointless with the rest of what he claimed. But his name doesn't sound as scummy as the other scum. Of course, that might be putting too much on the flavor.
If RR flips town, I think axel should shoot sep and arc should hold his. If RR flips scum, maybe arc hits axel and axel hits arc, or maybe axel hits eco depending on the claim. With 3 cleared townies, 3 potential vig shots tonight, and a living cop and doc, we should be able to plan out a way to POE a guaranteed win over the next few days.
@Axel: Full reveal on your items, your Jade ******* already ensures your items can't be messed with, this seems as a role perfect for scum since it appears to block my RB (as in i cannot exhaust his items), it also seems to be designed so Shalako would not have been able to use his copy ability had we wanted Sanctuary verified, in short a rather scummy Ability.
All this Vig shots seems scary, that's 4 potential vigs 2 repeatable and two one shots.
I lied about Interpretation being one-shot. I can use it on even numbered days. I hit magwald with it (1) Because it looked like AI was going to be lynched very quickly and I didn't want to miss a chance to use it (2) As I said, because I didn't think there were two repeatable info/vulnerable items in the game (3) Because I thought AI was likely getting lynched regardless, so using it on him seemed like a waste of the ability
I lied about it being one-shot before in hopes that scum would let there guard down today and try false claiming a name. -We'll see how that goes.
Convenient.
The only way it could have been a waste is because you would have lost a vulnerable target, which makes me suspicious of why you would use it on Mags the claimed Cop at the time.
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As for the wining POE I have some ideas regarding this but i want to see eco's claim first.
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Eh what the heck ill just go ahead and give my thoughts on this now.
Here's what i think should happen:
Arcadic Shoots Axel
Axel Shoots either Eco or TFF
Raf shoots the other one (we need to coordinate this).
Vampyr targets either Eco or from TFF.
This way almost all unverified roles are down, even accounting for night kill that leaves us 6 alive, odds being then that the remaining scum (if any) would be between Shalako, Magwald and I.
Any deviation from the kill pattern results in lynch tomorrow.
Thoughts?
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So, right, TFF has supposedly had this in his pocket since the start of the day just "waiting" for me to claim my title so he can "catch" me in a lie. I am not buying that at all. This is the guy who said Sep. was scum for claiming "Dark Matriarch" which meant he must have believed that scum were not afraid to claim their "real" titles anymore. Shoot, Arcadic claimed the "Lich Lord". But somehow my claim of Sovereign seemed suspicious? And RobRoy, who claimed "The Divine Voice" + has been under the most suspicious all day, TFF completely ignores.
I have to view this as a parting shot from a scum who knows he's likely going down soon. And now I guess I get to sit here and worry about what being "vulnerable" means. Joy.
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You think you have an item that makes the scum more concerned over it when both the doc and cop having been revealed?
I full revealed all my items. I kept the complete name back, because who knows what scum might have. We've seen abilities that do stuff with items and abilities that needed the name of the item to work. You think the scum would/could have nothing like that? There simply appears to be no benefit in saying. And it's not like the names make you believe their existance, is it? So, you think I kept the names back because...why? As a scum (who is, what, claiming truthfully?) I'm afraid someone in the Town (who is secretly hiding a hypothetical ability) is secretly going to mess with me?
If someone wants to claim there actually is a reason for me to say the names, well, I'd certainly consider it. I may be being overcautious. Apparently, the thing I shouldn't have said was my Title, in as much as it gave TFF that bogus reason for making me vulnerable.
I'm going to try running some numbers under a "atlseal" is telling the truth scenario and see what comes up.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
1. Arcadic 2. atlseal 3. Axelrod 4. Ecophagy 5. Magwald 6. RafaelK 7. RobRoy 8. Sepiriel 9. Shalako 10. TheFooFish 11. Vampyr 12. Wolf with a Bass
So, atlseal, being our "Cop" means he's out, along with the three people he cleared. With the obvious caution/concern that one could be a Godfather type. But still, that would still be a mimimum of three towns out of that group of four. Leaving:
1. Arcadic - Lich Lord. Kill Self to Kill a player + has an item he can move around that makes someone -2 to lynch and himself +2. 4. Ecophagy - not claimed yet. Except said he had something he wanted to get rid of and said something else about looking for "Aides". 5. Magwald - Underbroker. 1-shot vig a vulnerable town/Jail a vulnerable scum. Also has a Bouncer. Had an item he passed to WWaB which looks good for him under this scenario. Also got hit by TFF which looks good for him in this scenario. 7. RobRoy - The Divine Voice. Had a 1-shot Doc. Has a Jailing ability. 8. Sepiriel - Grim Matriarch. RB item. Follower who could make ability permanent. Has Stones of Mafia daytalk. 9. Shalako - untargetable. Had ability to copy a Follower. Coppied the Bouncer. Also had magic Stones of Mafia daytalk. 10. TheFooFish - The 1st Arcanist. Odd Night mandatory vig. Even days can make someone vulnerable + reveal name in thread. Has item that makes himself vulnerable if not voting first or last.
We have the capability of eliminating a very large portion of this set right now. So much that it becomes a bit worrying. Arc can take out himself +1 more. Raf. can vig. I can vig. We have a lynch. Atlseal can even "clear" one more for tomorrow. That's 6 people dead or cleared out of this group of 7 (or 8 if you include me, yeah, yeah).
I have a problem here because four of these people I had good reads on for Town, namely Magwald, Arcadic, Eco, and Sep. That doesn't seem to leave enough possible scum, even if RR turns up scum.
I guess if the scum were RR, TFF, Shak + a GF role out of Vamp. WWaB and Raf. it could still work out that I was 100% right, but that seems rather unlikely.
Got to go again. I'm just throwing out thoughts atm. Please let's not lynch anyone quite yet. There may still be an unbeaetable plan in here somewhere.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am the Forgemaster. The title indicates that I am among the premier artificers of the nation. Unfortunately, this means that I am forced to spend my time dealing with politicians rather than smithing.
I began the game with two followers, which are both transferable:
Tactical Aide, which gives the bearer +1 to lynch
Political Aide, which gives the bearer an additional vote
I also have a spell:
Solemn Vow, which nullifies the abilities of Aides in my possession. It also allows me to recall my Aides at night.
On Night 1, I gave Axelrod my Political Aide. On Night 2, I attempted to recall it (in case someone could exhaust my Solemn Vow), but it failed. Intrigued, I tried the same thing Night to the same end. Presumably, these were both stopped by the Jade thingy Axel has.
Axelrod: Why didn't you mention him in your supposedly full claim?
I'm not particularly enthused by Sepiriel's plan - it can kill four townies(!) and still not test Shalako. I don't see the need to go so all in. (Although if we are going mad, WWaB can now kill Axelrod).
I'd prefer RaK to test Shalako, and one of Axel or Arc to keep it in their pants. Let Atlseal's investigation do the work risk-free.
Oh, right. I received the extra vote item on N1, and it's an Aide! I totally forgot about that. wow.
I haven't used it (obviously). The wording on the item made it sound like it could just leave at any time, (something about the Aide not staying long in my service) and I had this thought that if I used it it would move on (randomly?) to someone else, so I just sat on it.
I think Eco's claim is at least consistent with his play/comments thus far. Will check more in a bit.
I ought to mention, I suppose, that both my Artifact and Follower are Transferrable also.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Eco: Well i could try and RB him that would also test untargetability, i can also make use of my last follower tonight, though that would likely not prove the shroud it will help in handling him.
As for the plan, yes it is risky, it was the best i could come up with which is why i asked for thoughts.
This is interesting, why wouldn't Axel claim the Aide? and why not make use of it? Is the Aide a one shot? static effect?
TFF and Axel are not looking good, Axel specially, I am still voting RR today.
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The only way it could have been a waste is because you would have lost a vulnerable target, which makes me suspicious of why you would use it on Mags the claimed Cop at the time.
It would have been a waste because he was being lynched regardless -it would have accomplished nothing (-should atlseal cop someone who is being shot tonight?). And I used it on "the claimed Cop" because I was pretty sure he was lying and wanted to see what his role actually was.
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So, right, TFF has supposedly had this in his pocket since the start of the day just "waiting" for me to claim my title so he can "catch" me in a lie. I am not buying that at all. This is the guy who said Sep. was scum for claiming "Dark Matriarch" which meant he must have believed that scum were not afraid to claim their "real" titles anymore. Shoot, Arcadic claimed the "Lich Lord". But somehow my claim of Sovereign seemed suspicious? And RobRoy, who claimed "The Divine Voice" + has been under the most suspicious all day, TFF completely ignores.
I figured scum might have been afraid to false claim before because of my reveal ability, and I was hoping they might be less afraid now and willing to false claim something I could catch if they believed my ability was exhausted. As for RR, -okay that's a pretty big screw up on my part. I was hoping to use it on him, but I didn't think he had name claimed yet -just given his abilities. I was trying to get his title from him today , but he just restated his abilities and then disappeared.
It would have been a waste because he was being lynched regardless -it would have accomplished nothing (-should atlseal cop someone who is being shot tonight?). And I used it on "the claimed Cop" because I was pretty sure he was lying and wanted to see what his role actually was.
This is so wrong!
First of you are not an info role (Gem not withstanding) at best you can catch a lie, but that still is not a downright info role.
A cop is an info role, you at best are a pseudo-flavor-cop, that being said suspicion was high on AI why would you then not target him is beyond me, you say its because it would have been a wasted shot, but making sure a claim to be real or not, specially on someone who could have potentially been left alive had the title been revealed as truthful seemed a much better choice.
You trying to linken your role to Atl is fallacious, atl cannot know who is gonna get shot tonight, so that question does not work, you on the other hand have a hand in the actual lynching process and clearing/condemning a possible lynch is never a wasted shot, again the only way it would have been a wasted shot would have been because you then would not have been able to shoot the vulnerable target last night.
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Come on, to have anyone think that Axelrod is town at this juncture is just silly. The most logical explanation is that he was trying to save the extra vote for a surprise win.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Come on, to have anyone think that Axelrod is town at this juncture is just silly. The most logical explanation is that he was trying to save the extra vote for a surprise win.
/barn.
This is the reason why i said he was looking worst than TFF.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
that being said suspicion was high on AI why would you then not target him is beyond me, you say its because it would have been a wasted shot, but making sure a claim to be real or not, specially on someone who could have potentially been left alive had the title been revealed as truthful seemed a much better choice.
I thought he would end up being lynched even if his title was actually Ship Captain.
you on the other hand have a hand in the actual lynching process and clearing/condemning a possible lynch is never a wasted shot, again the only way it would have been a wasted shot would have been because you then would not have been able to shoot the vulnerable target last night.
I target AI and it reveals "Pirate Captain" -oh good, he's lying, let's lynch him.
I target AI and it reveals "Ship Captain" -he's telling the truth about that, but maybe not about his abilities, and he's only a claimed neutral, let's lynch him anyway.
I don't target AI -possibly lying claimed neutral, lynch him.
Those are the scenarios I saw, and I didn't see my ability doing anything either way.
No, I'm not a cop, but it's still an info ability.
You wanna call it that go ahead, i think of it as at best a vulnerable enabler ability.
I thought he would end up being lynched even if his title was actually Ship Captain.
We will never know now, one of the arguments being presented was the disparity in the items of the claim and the title, had the Title been verified you cannot tell us for sure he may not have perhaps been allowed to live through the day.
I meant someone we were planning to point a vig at. And it really is about the same.
It really isn't.
And yes it wouldn't be a waste, say Axel does shoot someone but Arcadic's fail for X reason (The scenario here is Arcadic Shoots Axel and Axel shoots someone else), should he [Arcadic] come in next day claiming shenanigans it would at least clear Axel saving us a possible mislynch/vig.
I target AI and it reveals "Pirate Captain" -oh good, he's lying, let's lynch him.
I target AI and it reveals "Ship Captain" -he's telling the truth about that, but maybe not about his abilities, and he's only a claimed neutral, let's lynch him anyway.
I don't target AI -possibly lying claimed neutral, lynch him.
Those are the scenarios I saw, and I didn't see my ability doing anything either way.
You know this argument can be made also for why killing you either now or tonight is just as viable right?
Also could you please address the question posited by Atl (i believe) in regards to the difference of lynching you now and vigging RR tonight in contrast to lynching RR now and vigging you tonight.
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Come on, to have anyone think that Axelrod is town at this juncture is just silly. The most logical explanation is that he was trying to save the extra vote for a surprise win.
Because...? I had forgotten I received the vote item back on N1?
Because I didn't claim it at the time I got it?
Because I haven't used it yet?
Because I'm cautious and don't blindly accept everything people claim?
Which of these do you find "silly" (I'm just asking for told-you-sos at the end).
You think I got this item (from a townie?) and then sat on it hoping that (A) the townie who gave it to me wouldn't say anything - and you realize I wouldn't know who gave it to me and wouldn't know when this person died and (B) I would then make it to an end game situtation with this item still unrevealed and be able to "surprise" people with a sudden lynching vote.
That is your "most logical" conclusion? Just walk me through it, please. For someone who seems to find it suspicious that I'm not immediately accepting his claim you are showing a remarkably closed mind.
I'm starting to hate this game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
"I really want to lynch Axelrod today. He's clearly lying and I see no reason why he should be allowed to go to night.
unvote, vote Axelrod."
Oh screw you.
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Vote: RobRoy
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You wanna call it that go ahead, i think of it as at best a vulnerable enabler ability.
We will never know now, one of the arguments being presented was the disparity in the items of the claim and the title, had the Title been verified you cannot tell us for sure he may not have perhaps been allowed to live through the day.
I like how you say it's not an info ability, and then yell at me for not using it to get the info from AI.
And yes it wouldn't be a waste, say Axel does shoot someone but Arcadic's fail for X reason (The scenario here is Arcadic Shoots Axel and Axel shoots someone else), should he [Arcadic] come in next day claiming shenanigans it would at least clear Axel saving us a possible mislynch/vig.
Are you arguing that we should have atlseal cop someone we're planning to vig, just in case it doesn't work out?
Also could you please address the question posited by Atl (i believe) in regards to the difference of lynching you now and vigging RR tonight in contrast to lynching RR now and vigging you tonight.
I did. -But if you want to lynch me now, go ahead. Otherwise, letting me share the gem info is probably best. You can always lynch me tomorrow, and my answer will either catch scum, or narrow our POE down even further.
Sorry for my unprofessionalism. You people who are Town and think I'm scum are off your rocker and need to seriously reevaluate exactly how you decide someone is scum or not, but I still love you.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Sorry for my unprofessionalism. You people who are Town and think I'm scum are off your rocker and need to seriously reevaluate exactly how you decide someone is scum or not, but I still love you.
"Then unvote one of your votes. Currently RR is at L-1. If he self hammers before you unvote, I'm holding you accountable for his ninja lynch."
"Then unvote one of your votes. Currently RR is at L-1. If he self hammers before you unvote, I'm holding you accountable for his ninja lynch."
Holding me accountable? That's a little funny. You just said you wanted to lynch me. Based on what you feel is a bad claim, I guess, because I know it's not anything else.
Are you holding me accountable if he flips scum? Does this then become, in your ever suspicious eyes, just a big bus to cut short the day?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Oh, just thought. If RR's ability is not able to return his followers, it means that my Lidless Eye would get stuck on Axelrod. Hmm, just another thing I don't like.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Oh, just thought. If RR's ability is not able to return his followers, it means that my Lidless Eye would get stuck on Axelrod. Hmm, just another thing I don't like.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
To avoid crossfire/hitting atlseal's target, I'll just say it's my current intention to shoot TFF tonight, unless I hear people jumping up and down screaming I shouldn't.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
To avoid crossfire/hitting atlseal's target, I'll just say it's my current intention to shoot TFF tonight, unless I hear people jumping up and down screaming I shouldn't.
I'll go through the motions of being ignored.
I'm against TFF being shot, still.
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The entire assemblage jerked in surprise. Granted, the current discussion was almost concluded, but apparently RobRoy wasn't going to take his damnation without a fight. Some of you darted away from RobRoy in a hurry. Most of you lunged for his throat. Tables and chairs were knocked aside as the mad scramble backward and forward began.
Too late.
RobRoy ended his incantation with a short harsh prayer and extended both his hands in your general direction with a snarl. Something coalesced at the end of his arms. For one terrifying moment, you could only see the sight before you that curved into various warped angles and then-
CRACK!
A violent yell. A muffled groan. You blinked.
RobRoy was lying on the ground, his hair was matted with blood and a small pool of red was slowly expanding beneath his head. Magwald was standing above RobRoy, breathing heavily with half a broken chair gripped firmly in his hands, the tip of which was smeared with blood.
RobRoy twitched and let out a soft moan. Magwald brought the chair down again on RobRoy's head, hard. There was another distinct crack that split the silence of the hall. RobRoy stopped twitching and moaned no more.
RobRoy, The Divine Voice (Mafia) was lynched on Day 4.
Name: RobRoy Alignment: Mafia Title: The Divine Voice Domain: The Holy Tabernacles are the voices of heavens, linking the hope and prayers of the billions to the Divinities above. With such an encompassing grip upon the entire world’s faith and belief, they are a power in their own right, and one that equally affects the common folk as well as the upper classes. Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Spell: Pillars Note: This is a prayer invoking the might of a Divine, casting a single person within a column of invisible light so intense it feels almost solid. Within the active duration, the person is protected from all lethal harm but also unable to affect the outside world. To prevent panic and hysteria, that person’s consciousness is forcibly blanked out. Ability: Night, protect target player from all kills. That player is prevented from using any actions. The targeted player cannot be you.
~~~ Spell: Silver Mark Note: A cantrip invocation that blesses another person from all danger and harm. While it originates from a midwife’s repertoire of folk charms and minor remedies, this particular cantrip’s power has been seriously augmented to the extent of being able to ward off anything that would outright kill. Alas, such a boost reduces its effective length. Ability: Transferable,One-shot, Night, protect target player.
~~~ Follower: Fanatic (Exhausted) Note: The best type of follower to have around is one that would be willing to die for you. A much better one is one that would be willing to kill for you. This particular follower is so devoted to Light that it is willing to kill only those whom it perceived to be Evil or weak. Ability: Transferable, One-shot, Night, kill target player. This is only successful if target player is non-town or has Vulnerability status.
Another one then.
This sick conspiracy was nearing its end.
You collapsed tiredly into the nearest chair and cradled your head.
A break sounded good right about now.
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It is now Night 4.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 5 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
Oh, right. I received the extra vote item on N1, and it's an Aide! I totally forgot about that. wow.
I haven't used it (obviously). The wording on the item made it sound like it could just leave at any time, (something about the Aide not staying long in my service) and I had this thought that if I used it it would move on (randomly?) to someone else, so I just sat on it.
I ought to mention, I suppose, that both my Artifact and Follower are Transferrable also.
Bleeeh. I don't really like that you "forgot", but it doesn't exactly make sense for you to hope that it doesn't come out before LyLo.
If your items are transferable, you might consider passing on one of them.
@Eco: Well i could try and RB him that would also test untargetability, i can also make use of my last follower tonight, though that would likely not prove the shroud it will help in handling him.
Yeah, but the point of using the vig to test him is that it's efficient - he's lying, he dies.
I still agree with TFF dying, using the reveal on Axelrod was pretty bad.
There was a murmur of excitement. Of surprise. Of delight even.
You forced yourself to fully wake up from your quick nap.
Apparently one of those responsible had been found dead. Brutally murdered.
Everyone was in a twitter. This was unprecedented. Is the end getting nearer than ever?
You yourself rushed forward to the aforementioned scene to confirm for yourself.
Indeed. Shalako’s body was horrifyingly battered into a near pulp, in a pool of his own blood no less. The entire corpse looked almost desiccated even.
Shalako, The Emperor (Mafia) was bloodied on Night 4.
Name: Shalako Alignment: Mafia Title: The Emperor Domain: The lineage of the Emperors is the birthright of Heavens, with each successive holder of the Golden Throne anointed by the Mandate handed down from fathers to sons, unbroken through the generations. Their blood is divine and their rule absolute. Long live the Empire, most sacred of kingdoms, and may their blood hold true and pure for all eternity. Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Artifact: Mandate of Heaven Note: This perfectly circular white disc symbolizes the favor of Heavens upon you, rendering you entirely immune to whatever machinations that may be done covertly against you. Legends passed down from the lore state that it was crafted from the scales of a white dragon, slain by the first owner of the Mandate of Heaven. Ability: All actions performed upon you will fail.
~~~ Follower: Spymaster Note: Sometimes, circumstances dictate that your allies must be protected as well. So while the Mandate of Heaven may or may not be yours, it would serve a greater good in someone else’s hands for a while. This is where the Spymaster comes in. Though of course, when said circumstances have passed, the Mandate must be returned to you. Ability: One-shot, Night, target player receives the Mandate of Heaven if it has yet to be discarded, no matter where it may be. At the end of night, Mandate of Heaven will be returned to you if it has yet to be discarded.
~~~ Follower: Bouncer Note: It smacks its fist into its palm and leers at everyone that walks by. A total brute, with all muscles and no brain, but it serves its function rather well. It does have the propensity to go around at nights thrashing up any poor unfortunate souls whom it perceives to be weak and in need of a good beating. Ability: At the end of every Night, the living player with the least amount of total posts will gain Vulnerability status. This ability could be used repeatedly on the same player.
In the midst of absolute glee however, there was tragically another death. Wolf with a Bass had been found nearby, its throat punctured through with a blade, kneeling down onto the floor in the mockery of a prayer, surrounded by his own pool of red.
Wolf with a Bass, The Monarch (Town) was impaled on Night 4.
Name: Wolf with a Bass Alignment: Town Title: The Monarch Domain: The Monarchy is one of the major political powers in the world. It is also the most ancient and longest lasting of all established political realms, richly steeped in cultural history and traditions. For those more informed, it is also the place where one is most likely to obtain esoteric items as well as obscure rituals. Win Condition: Eliminate the scums.
Artifact: Insignia of the Wind Note: For something called Insignia of the Wind, it is neither an insignia nor has it anything to do with the wind. Still, it is an artifact of potent power, able to reduce the probability of death occurring to a single person. Repeated usage on the same person has been noted to increase said probability however, so caution is advised. Ability: Night, protect target player without Vulnerability status from all kills. If the protected player is the target of a kill, that player will gain Vulnerability status instead of dying. If instead, target player has Vulnerability status, kill that player.
~~~ Spell: Sanctification Note: This is a spell ritual known only to a select few. While it doesn’t mend the body or heal the bones and thus of less interest to those pursuing the noble arts of healing, it does one thing remarkably well. It strengthens both the mind and the soul, two rather insubstantial attributes to most people. Ability: Transferable, One-shot, Night, remove Vulnerability status from target player.
~~~ Spell: Tinker and Tools Note: An enchantment that cycles the state of an existence back to a previous state. Due to the chaotic nature of temporal magic, spells like this are severely regulated and restricted. There is no denying that if such an enchantment is properly applied, the benefits could be tremendous. Alas, some people are not interested in only benefits. Ability: Transferable, Discard, Night, remove all Exhausted status from target player’s Artifacts, Spells and Followers.
Well, I sorta picked the right target. I pseudo-copped shal, in case he was untargetable, and saw that 0 town aligned players had a follower-copying item.
Well, I sorta picked the right target. I pseudo-copped shal, in case he was untargetable, and saw that 0 town aligned players had a follower-copying item.
So, you didn't "Bloody" Shalako like you did to WoD N1?
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
I currently have, however, no vote to put forward towards this cause. I am assuming for the moment that Arc elected to do this to me instead of Saccing himself. I am not horribly upset by this.
Also, I did not shoot TFF last night in case that was not obvious.
It is somewhat interesting that Shak was "Bloodied" as WoD was Bloodied on N1, but TFF was supposedly off his killing cycle. This leaves Raf. as possible killer, but I was under the impression that their kill methods were different.
Raf?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
RafK, did you shoot Shalako? How did it get past the Mandate of Heaven?
Arcadic, I see you're not dead. Care to explain why you didn't bomb last night?
I can actually help here, remember the follower i was talking about?
Well that follower allowed me to Exhaust Shalako, so apparently that is what let the kill shot go through.
I was kinda worried for a moment because i thought i might have screw things up but yay me!
So since the Follower is Exhausted I can go ahead and claim it, name was The Black Cat, its a one shot that says actions i take tonight cannot be prevented.
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I can actually help here, remember the follower i was talking about?
Well that follower allowed me to Exhaust Shalako, so apparently that is what let the kill shot go through.
I was kinda worried for a moment because i thought i might have screw things up but yay me!
So since the Follower is Exhausted I can go ahead and claim it, name was The Black Cat, its a one shot that says actions i take tonight cannot be prevented.
That's pretty darn impressive actually.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I can actually help here, remember the follower i was talking about?
Well that follower allowed me to Exhaust Shalako, so apparently that is what let the kill shot go through.
I was kinda worried for a moment because i thought i might have screw things up but yay me!
So since the Follower is Exhausted I can go ahead and claim it, name was The Black Cat, its a one shot that says actions i take tonight cannot be prevented.
Well, that actually explains it quite nicely, thank you.
See Arcadic, this is why I wanted you to suicide bomb Axel last night. That would leave one unknown and town would win. Anyway, if tonight you bomb Axel and Vampyr Lures TFF, we can't lose.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
If Eco is truly Mafia #5, then that ought to be all of them. Six mafia in 20 would really be too much.
So, we either win outright, or have to go SK hunting.
Except, there's not any actual evidence for a SK in this game in as much as their aren't any unclaimed/unexplained kill.
Which means, from my way of thinking, that the only possible explanation (again, if we don't just win) is that one (or both?) of the 1/2 vigs is some kind of SK scum.
This would seem to be easy enough to check tonight via one of our multiple available vig. shots.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So much for post #5000 being something grand and impressive.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
If Eco is truly Mafia #5, then that ought to be all of them. Six mafia in 20 would really be too much.
So, we either win outright, or have to go SK hunting.
Except, there's not any actual evidence for a SK in this game in as much as their aren't any unclaimed/unexplained kill.
Which means, from my way of thinking, that the only possible explanation (again, if we don't just win) is that one (or both?) of the 1/2 vigs is some kind of SK scum.
This would seem to be easy enough to check tonight via one of our multiple available vig. shots.
Right, so with what I've stated, game plays out like this:
We lynch Eco today, and everyone does what I stated before, we're left with:
- RafK
- Sepiriel
- Magwald
If the town still hasn't won by that point, lynch RafK. Easy peasy.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
It seems like we are claiming now. This will be fun.
I am The Sovereign.
I have three items. One of each.
My artifact is called the Jade ****** (and the only reason I am not saying its full name is on the off chance that knowing the name of an item allows scum to mess with it. I think we've seen some of this already) This artifact emits an aura so terrifying that it prevents others from copying/stealing or otherwise messing with any other items I have. This only stops someone trying to mess with items, nothing else.
My spell is called Sanctuary. I am going ahead and saying it's name because this spell does nothing. I querried Dagger extensively on this in the hope that maybe it actually did something I was unaware of, but it really appears to do nothing. Dagger has apparently placed a number of dummy items like this in the game.
My follower is caller the ***********. This is a 1-shot vig. item. I have NOT used him yet this game.
What's that you say? Another vig item you say? I call BS you say? Well, yeah, I might be skeptical myself frankly. But there it is.
I pseudo-subclaimed my whole role in my first 4 posts of the game, though I didn't make it so anyone could ever figure it out this time (as opposed to spelling something out, which I figure I've overdone).
The "I decree" part is a reference to my title as the Sovereign.
This is a reference to the Jade Artifact.
"Smiting" here is a reference to the vig. ability.
"Useless" here is a reference to the Sancuary Spell that does not do anything.
Normally, I would have used the vig item well before now, but I really, really didn't want to screw it up, and was determined to review extensively before firing it off. Plus, I've just been busy.
Still busy, in fact. Be back later.
What this says to me: Let's try to cast doubt on the cop (oh yeah, after we cast doubt on the super saint). == "I am scum"
Aradic, you could target Axelrod tonight if you like.
"That's how I read it. Also, only his 1 shot vig actually lets him perform night actions, the other ones just sort of sit there. Why didn't he try to vig DKD on night 2? Or Vampyr at any point in this game, especially because of his suspicions of him? This claim is terrible, even TFF's claim is more plausible."
"Now his buddy Eco will probably claim something equally convenient and useful."
@Arcadic - "Sepiriel is not the scummiest out of he, Eco, and Axelrod. I say this because posts like the following have given me a good feeling about Sep:"
I lied about Interpretation being one-shot. I can use it on even numbered days. I hit magwald with it (1) Because it looked like AI was going to be lynched very quickly and I didn't want to miss a chance to use it (2) As I said, because I didn't think there were two repeatable info/vulnerable items in the game (3) Because I thought AI was likely getting lynched regardless, so using it on him seemed like a waste of the ability
I lied about it being one-shot before in hopes that scum would let there guard down today and try false claiming a name. -We'll see how that goes.
For all that he claimed to be, Axelrod sure didn't seem like much kneeling on the ground gripping his chest and dry-retching to kingdom come. His breaths were short and painful, each wheeze causing him physical pain. His movements were jerky and abrupt, seemingly motions arrested in a mockery of a man. Worse were his eyes, as they glazed off into the distance at a hell only he could perceive.
There was a bated breath from the collective. The scene seemed disturbingly familiar.
As if a phase had passed and the strings were cut, it ended as suddenly as it began. Axelrod's body stiffened, his eyes rolled backward into his head, and his limbs lost all grip. There was an understanding which burned into your mind even as he stopped moving.
Axelrod laid still on the floor, the only sound heard was his breathing. Miraculously, he was still alive, even as he began to struggle weakly to get up.
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Axelrod is The Sovereign.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Hmm... that wasn't particularly helpful. Don't like another claimed kill ability. And the Jade item seems pointless with the rest of what he claimed. But his name doesn't sound as scummy as the other scum. Of course, that might be putting too much on the flavor.
If RR flips town, I think axel should shoot sep and arc should hold his. If RR flips scum, maybe arc hits axel and axel hits arc, or maybe axel hits eco depending on the claim. With 3 cleared townies, 3 potential vig shots tonight, and a living cop and doc, we should be able to plan out a way to POE a guaranteed win over the next few days.
You think you have an item that makes the scum more concerned over it when both the doc and cop having been revealed?
@TFF: I knew something was fishy.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
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All this Vig shots seems scary, that's 4 potential vigs 2 repeatable and two one shots.
Convenient.
The only way it could have been a waste is because you would have lost a vulnerable target, which makes me suspicious of why you would use it on Mags the claimed Cop at the time.
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As for the wining POE I have some ideas regarding this but i want to see eco's claim first.
Eh what the heck ill just go ahead and give my thoughts on this now.
Here's what i think should happen:
Arcadic Shoots Axel
Axel Shoots either Eco or TFF
Raf shoots the other one (we need to coordinate this).
Vampyr targets either Eco or from TFF.
This way almost all unverified roles are down, even accounting for night kill that leaves us 6 alive, odds being then that the remaining scum (if any) would be between Shalako, Magwald and I.
Any deviation from the kill pattern results in lynch tomorrow.
Thoughts?
So it is over 48 hours, i am ready to vote RR and lynch but am awaiting full claims by Eco and those missing.
Recap Claim:
I am The Grim Matriarch, a Town Roleblocker, Have 1 Spell, 2 Followers and 1 Artifact, 1 Follower, the toad, is exhausted.
I have to view this as a parting shot from a scum who knows he's likely going down soon. And now I guess I get to sit here and worry about what being "vulnerable" means. Joy.
I full revealed all my items. I kept the complete name back, because who knows what scum might have. We've seen abilities that do stuff with items and abilities that needed the name of the item to work. You think the scum would/could have nothing like that? There simply appears to be no benefit in saying. And it's not like the names make you believe their existance, is it? So, you think I kept the names back because...why? As a scum (who is, what, claiming truthfully?) I'm afraid someone in the Town (who is secretly hiding a hypothetical ability) is secretly going to mess with me?
If someone wants to claim there actually is a reason for me to say the names, well, I'd certainly consider it. I may be being overcautious. Apparently, the thing I shouldn't have said was my Title, in as much as it gave TFF that bogus reason for making me vulnerable.
I'm going to try running some numbers under a "atlseal" is telling the truth scenario and see what comes up.
2. atlseal
3. Axelrod
4. Ecophagy
5. Magwald
6. RafaelK
7. RobRoy
8. Sepiriel
9. Shalako
10. TheFooFish
11. Vampyr
12. Wolf with a Bass
So, atlseal, being our "Cop" means he's out, along with the three people he cleared. With the obvious caution/concern that one could be a Godfather type. But still, that would still be a mimimum of three towns out of that group of four. Leaving:
1. Arcadic
3. Axelrod
4. Ecophagy
5. Magwald
7. RobRoy
8. Sepiriel
9. Shalako
10. TheFooFish
In this group of 8, there are likely 2-3 scum. I can take myself out of this particular equation, though no one else can.
1. Arcadic
4. Ecophagy
5. Magwald
7. RobRoy
8. Sepiriel
9. Shalako
10. TheFooFish
From these 7 these are the claims:
1. Arcadic - Lich Lord. Kill Self to Kill a player + has an item he can move around that makes someone -2 to lynch and himself +2.
4. Ecophagy - not claimed yet. Except said he had something he wanted to get rid of and said something else about looking for "Aides".
5. Magwald - Underbroker. 1-shot vig a vulnerable town/Jail a vulnerable scum. Also has a Bouncer. Had an item he passed to WWaB which looks good for him under this scenario. Also got hit by TFF which looks good for him in this scenario.
7. RobRoy - The Divine Voice. Had a 1-shot Doc. Has a Jailing ability.
8. Sepiriel - Grim Matriarch. RB item. Follower who could make ability permanent. Has Stones of Mafia daytalk.
9. Shalako - untargetable. Had ability to copy a Follower. Coppied the Bouncer. Also had magic Stones of Mafia daytalk.
10. TheFooFish - The 1st Arcanist. Odd Night mandatory vig. Even days can make someone vulnerable + reveal name in thread. Has item that makes himself vulnerable if not voting first or last.
We have the capability of eliminating a very large portion of this set right now. So much that it becomes a bit worrying. Arc can take out himself +1 more. Raf. can vig. I can vig. We have a lynch. Atlseal can even "clear" one more for tomorrow. That's 6 people dead or cleared out of this group of 7 (or 8 if you include me, yeah, yeah).
Let's say RR is lynched.
1. Arcadic
4. Ecophagy
5. Magwald
8. Sepiriel
9. Shalako
10. TheFooFish
I have a problem here because four of these people I had good reads on for Town, namely Magwald, Arcadic, Eco, and Sep. That doesn't seem to leave enough possible scum, even if RR turns up scum.
I guess if the scum were RR, TFF, Shak + a GF role out of Vamp. WWaB and Raf. it could still work out that I was 100% right, but that seems rather unlikely.
Got to go again. I'm just throwing out thoughts atm. Please let's not lynch anyone quite yet. There may still be an unbeaetable plan in here somewhere.
I began the game with two followers, which are both transferable:
Tactical Aide, which gives the bearer +1 to lynch
Political Aide, which gives the bearer an additional vote
I also have a spell:
Solemn Vow, which nullifies the abilities of Aides in my possession. It also allows me to recall my Aides at night.
On Night 1, I gave Axelrod my Political Aide. On Night 2, I attempted to recall it (in case someone could exhaust my Solemn Vow), but it failed. Intrigued, I tried the same thing Night to the same end. Presumably, these were both stopped by the Jade thingy Axel has.
Axelrod: Why didn't you mention him in your supposedly full claim?
I'm not particularly enthused by Sepiriel's plan - it can kill four townies(!) and still not test Shalako. I don't see the need to go so all in. (Although if we are going mad, WWaB can now kill Axelrod).
I'd prefer RaK to test Shalako, and one of Axel or Arc to keep it in their pants. Let Atlseal's investigation do the work risk-free.
I haven't used it (obviously). The wording on the item made it sound like it could just leave at any time, (something about the Aide not staying long in my service) and I had this thought that if I used it it would move on (randomly?) to someone else, so I just sat on it.
I think Eco's claim is at least consistent with his play/comments thus far. Will check more in a bit.
I ought to mention, I suppose, that both my Artifact and Follower are Transferrable also.
As for the plan, yes it is risky, it was the best i could come up with which is why i asked for thoughts.
This is interesting, why wouldn't Axel claim the Aide? and why not make use of it? Is the Aide a one shot? static effect?
TFF and Axel are not looking good, Axel specially, I am still voting RR today.
It would have been a waste because he was being lynched regardless -it would have accomplished nothing (-should atlseal cop someone who is being shot tonight?). And I used it on "the claimed Cop" because I was pretty sure he was lying and wanted to see what his role actually was.
I figured scum might have been afraid to false claim before because of my reveal ability, and I was hoping they might be less afraid now and willing to false claim something I could catch if they believed my ability was exhausted. As for RR, -okay that's a pretty big screw up on my part. I was hoping to use it on him, but I didn't think he had name claimed yet -just given his abilities. I was trying to get his title from him today , but he just restated his abilities and then disappeared.
This is so wrong!
First of you are not an info role (Gem not withstanding) at best you can catch a lie, but that still is not a downright info role.
A cop is an info role, you at best are a pseudo-flavor-cop, that being said suspicion was high on AI why would you then not target him is beyond me, you say its because it would have been a wasted shot, but making sure a claim to be real or not, specially on someone who could have potentially been left alive had the title been revealed as truthful seemed a much better choice.
You trying to linken your role to Atl is fallacious, atl cannot know who is gonna get shot tonight, so that question does not work, you on the other hand have a hand in the actual lynching process and clearing/condemning a possible lynch is never a wasted shot, again the only way it would have been a wasted shot would have been because you then would not have been able to shoot the vulnerable target last night.
This is the reason why i said he was looking worst than TFF.
No, I'm not a cop, but it's still an info ability.
I thought he would end up being lynched even if his title was actually Ship Captain.
I meant someone we were planning to point a vig at. And it really is about the same.
I target AI and it reveals "Pirate Captain" -oh good, he's lying, let's lynch him.
I target AI and it reveals "Ship Captain" -he's telling the truth about that, but maybe not about his abilities, and he's only a claimed neutral, let's lynch him anyway.
I don't target AI -possibly lying claimed neutral, lynch him.
Those are the scenarios I saw, and I didn't see my ability doing anything either way.
We will never know now, one of the arguments being presented was the disparity in the items of the claim and the title, had the Title been verified you cannot tell us for sure he may not have perhaps been allowed to live through the day.
It really isn't.
And yes it wouldn't be a waste, say Axel does shoot someone but Arcadic's fail for X reason (The scenario here is Arcadic Shoots Axel and Axel shoots someone else), should he [Arcadic] come in next day claiming shenanigans it would at least clear Axel saving us a possible mislynch/vig.
You know this argument can be made also for why killing you either now or tonight is just as viable right?
Also could you please address the question posited by Atl (i believe) in regards to the difference of lynching you now and vigging RR tonight in contrast to lynching RR now and vigging you tonight.
".........."
"I really want to lynch Axelrod today. He's clearly lying and I see no reason why he should be allowed to go to night.
unvote, vote Axelrod."
Because...? I had forgotten I received the vote item back on N1?
Because I didn't claim it at the time I got it?
Because I haven't used it yet?
Because I'm cautious and don't blindly accept everything people claim?
Which of these do you find "silly" (I'm just asking for told-you-sos at the end).
You think I got this item (from a townie?) and then sat on it hoping that (A) the townie who gave it to me wouldn't say anything - and you realize I wouldn't know who gave it to me and wouldn't know when this person died and (B) I would then make it to an end game situtation with this item still unrevealed and be able to "surprise" people with a sudden lynching vote.
That is your "most logical" conclusion? Just walk me through it, please. For someone who seems to find it suspicious that I'm not immediately accepting his claim you are showing a remarkably closed mind.
I'm starting to hate this game.
Oh screw you.
Vote: RobRoy
Vote: RobRoy
I like how you say it's not an info ability, and then yell at me for not using it to get the info from AI.
Are you arguing that we should have atlseal cop someone we're planning to vig, just in case it doesn't work out?
I did. -But if you want to lynch me now, go ahead. Otherwise, letting me share the gem info is probably best. You can always lynch me tomorrow, and my answer will either catch scum, or narrow our POE down even further.
It's supposed to be fun!
Sorry for my unprofessionalism. You people who are Town and think I'm scum are off your rocker and need to seriously reevaluate exactly how you decide someone is scum or not, but I still love you.
"Then unvote one of your votes. Currently RR is at L-1. If he self hammers before you unvote, I'm holding you accountable for his ninja lynch."
Holding me accountable? That's a little funny. You just said you wanted to lynch me. Based on what you feel is a bad claim, I guess, because I know it's not anything else.
Are you holding me accountable if he flips scum? Does this then become, in your ever suspicious eyes, just a big bus to cut short the day?
Lynching Axelrod before RR == no-no. RR is a RBer. Axelrod is not.
Eco's
unvote
vote RobRoy "
I'll go through the motions of being ignored.
I'm against TFF being shot, still.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
RobRoy (7) - atlseal, Arcadic, Arcadic, Shalako, Axelrod, Axelrod, Magwald
TheFooFish (1) - Ecophagy
Sepiriel (1) - TheFooFish
It takes 7 to Lynch with 12 alive.
As of this post, RobRoy has been lynched.
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RobRoy was muttering an incantation.
The entire assemblage jerked in surprise. Granted, the current discussion was almost concluded, but apparently RobRoy wasn't going to take his damnation without a fight. Some of you darted away from RobRoy in a hurry. Most of you lunged for his throat. Tables and chairs were knocked aside as the mad scramble backward and forward began.
Too late.
RobRoy ended his incantation with a short harsh prayer and extended both his hands in your general direction with a snarl. Something coalesced at the end of his arms. For one terrifying moment, you could only see the sight before you that curved into various warped angles and then-
CRACK!
A violent yell. A muffled groan. You blinked.
RobRoy was lying on the ground, his hair was matted with blood and a small pool of red was slowly expanding beneath his head. Magwald was standing above RobRoy, breathing heavily with half a broken chair gripped firmly in his hands, the tip of which was smeared with blood.
RobRoy twitched and let out a soft moan. Magwald brought the chair down again on RobRoy's head, hard. There was another distinct crack that split the silence of the hall. RobRoy stopped twitching and moaned no more.
RobRoy, The Divine Voice (Mafia) was lynched on Day 4.
Name: RobRoy
Alignment: Mafia
Title: The Divine Voice
Domain: The Holy Tabernacles are the voices of heavens, linking the hope and prayers of the billions to the Divinities above. With such an encompassing grip upon the entire world’s faith and belief, they are a power in their own right, and one that equally affects the common folk as well as the upper classes.
Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Spell: Pillars
Note: This is a prayer invoking the might of a Divine, casting a single person within a column of invisible light so intense it feels almost solid. Within the active duration, the person is protected from all lethal harm but also unable to affect the outside world. To prevent panic and hysteria, that person’s consciousness is forcibly blanked out.
Ability: Night, protect target player from all kills. That player is prevented from using any actions. The targeted player cannot be you.
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Spell: Silver Mark
Note: A cantrip invocation that blesses another person from all danger and harm. While it originates from a midwife’s repertoire of folk charms and minor remedies, this particular cantrip’s power has been seriously augmented to the extent of being able to ward off anything that would outright kill. Alas, such a boost reduces its effective length.
Ability: Transferable,One-shot, Night, protect target player.
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Follower: Fanatic (Exhausted)
Note: The best type of follower to have around is one that would be willing to die for you. A much better one is one that would be willing to kill for you. This particular follower is so devoted to Light that it is willing to kill only those whom it perceived to be Evil or weak.
Ability: Transferable, One-shot, Night, kill target player. This is only successful if target player is non-town or has Vulnerability status.
This sick conspiracy was nearing its end.
You collapsed tiredly into the nearest chair and cradled your head.
A break sounded good right about now.
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It is now Night 4.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 5 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Bleeeh. I don't really like that you "forgot", but it doesn't exactly make sense for you to hope that it doesn't come out before LyLo.
If your items are transferable, you might consider passing on one of them.
Yeah, but the point of using the vig to test him is that it's efficient - he's lying, he dies.
I still agree with TFF dying, using the reveal on Axelrod was pretty bad.
You forced yourself to fully wake up from your quick nap.
Apparently one of those responsible had been found dead. Brutally murdered.
Everyone was in a twitter. This was unprecedented. Is the end getting nearer than ever?
You yourself rushed forward to the aforementioned scene to confirm for yourself.
Indeed. Shalako’s body was horrifyingly battered into a near pulp, in a pool of his own blood no less. The entire corpse looked almost desiccated even.
Shalako, The Emperor (Mafia) was bloodied on Night 4.
Name: Shalako
Alignment: Mafia
Title: The Emperor
Domain: The lineage of the Emperors is the birthright of Heavens, with each successive holder of the Golden Throne anointed by the Mandate handed down from fathers to sons, unbroken through the generations. Their blood is divine and their rule absolute. Long live the Empire, most sacred of kingdoms, and may their blood hold true and pure for all eternity.
Win Condition: Mafia must be equal to or more than non-Mafia.
Artifact: Mandate of Heaven
Note: This perfectly circular white disc symbolizes the favor of Heavens upon you, rendering you entirely immune to whatever machinations that may be done covertly against you. Legends passed down from the lore state that it was crafted from the scales of a white dragon, slain by the first owner of the Mandate of Heaven.
Ability: All actions performed upon you will fail.
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Follower: Spymaster
Note: Sometimes, circumstances dictate that your allies must be protected as well. So while the Mandate of Heaven may or may not be yours, it would serve a greater good in someone else’s hands for a while. This is where the Spymaster comes in. Though of course, when said circumstances have passed, the Mandate must be returned to you.
Ability: One-shot, Night, target player receives the Mandate of Heaven if it has yet to be discarded, no matter where it may be. At the end of night, Mandate of Heaven will be returned to you if it has yet to be discarded.
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Follower: Bouncer
Note: It smacks its fist into its palm and leers at everyone that walks by. A total brute, with all muscles and no brain, but it serves its function rather well. It does have the propensity to go around at nights thrashing up any poor unfortunate souls whom it perceives to be weak and in need of a good beating.
Ability: At the end of every Night, the living player with the least amount of total posts will gain Vulnerability status. This ability could be used repeatedly on the same player.
Wolf with a Bass, The Monarch (Town) was impaled on Night 4.
Name: Wolf with a Bass
Alignment: Town
Title: The Monarch
Domain: The Monarchy is one of the major political powers in the world. It is also the most ancient and longest lasting of all established political realms, richly steeped in cultural history and traditions. For those more informed, it is also the place where one is most likely to obtain esoteric items as well as obscure rituals.
Win Condition: Eliminate the scums.
Artifact: Insignia of the Wind
Note: For something called Insignia of the Wind, it is neither an insignia nor has it anything to do with the wind. Still, it is an artifact of potent power, able to reduce the probability of death occurring to a single person. Repeated usage on the same person has been noted to increase said probability however, so caution is advised.
Ability: Night, protect target player without Vulnerability status from all kills. If the protected player is the target of a kill, that player will gain Vulnerability status instead of dying. If instead, target player has Vulnerability status, kill that player.
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Spell: Sanctification
Note: This is a spell ritual known only to a select few. While it doesn’t mend the body or heal the bones and thus of less interest to those pursuing the noble arts of healing, it does one thing remarkably well. It strengthens both the mind and the soul, two rather insubstantial attributes to most people.
Ability: Transferable, One-shot, Night, remove Vulnerability status from target player.
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Spell: Tinker and Tools
Note: An enchantment that cycles the state of an existence back to a previous state. Due to the chaotic nature of temporal magic, spells like this are severely regulated and restricted. There is no denying that if such an enchantment is properly applied, the benefits could be tremendous. Alas, some people are not interested in only benefits.
Ability: Transferable, Discard, Night, remove all Exhausted status from target player’s Artifacts, Spells and Followers.
You frowned thoughtfully.
There were still 9 of you left alive.
And the net continued to tighten further for all.
tick.
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It is now Day 5.
It takes 5 to Lynch with 9 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Vote: Ecophagy
Arcadic, I see you're not dead. Care to explain why you didn't bomb last night?
So, you didn't "Bloody" Shalako like you did to WoD N1?
I am saddened by my terrible read.
I currently have, however, no vote to put forward towards this cause. I am assuming for the moment that Arc elected to do this to me instead of Saccing himself. I am not horribly upset by this.
Also, I did not shoot TFF last night in case that was not obvious.
It is somewhat interesting that Shak was "Bloodied" as WoD was Bloodied on N1, but TFF was supposedly off his killing cycle. This leaves Raf. as possible killer, but I was under the impression that their kill methods were different.
Raf?
Nope. Wasn't me. I can't vig until tonight.
Well that follower allowed me to Exhaust Shalako, so apparently that is what let the kill shot go through.
I was kinda worried for a moment because i thought i might have screw things up but yay me!
So since the Follower is Exhausted I can go ahead and claim it, name was The Black Cat, its a one shot that says actions i take tonight cannot be prevented.
That's pretty darn impressive actually.
Well, that actually explains it quite nicely, thank you.
So, by my count:
Town:
- RafK
- Vampyr
- atlseal
- Sepiriel
- Magwald
Mafia:
- Ecophagy
Unknowns:
- TFF
- Axelrod
- Arcadic
See Arcadic, this is why I wanted you to suicide bomb Axel last night. That would leave one unknown and town would win. Anyway, if tonight you bomb Axel and Vampyr Lures TFF, we can't lose.
So, we either win outright, or have to go SK hunting.
Except, there's not any actual evidence for a SK in this game in as much as their aren't any unclaimed/unexplained kill.
Which means, from my way of thinking, that the only possible explanation (again, if we don't just win) is that one (or both?) of the 1/2 vigs is some kind of SK scum.
This would seem to be easy enough to check tonight via one of our multiple available vig. shots.
Right, so with what I've stated, game plays out like this:
We lynch Eco today, and everyone does what I stated before, we're left with:
- RafK
- Sepiriel
- Magwald
If the town still hasn't won by that point, lynch RafK. Easy peasy.