1) I'm sorry, I didn't notice that. Have you looked at my other mafia games? My posts seem pretty similar, aside from me making more jokes in my other games.
2) Please go look back over my early exchanges with la3 and tell me that I was "seeing where that vote would go." I voted him because there is a need early game to go after someone, to get conversation started. I saw something scummy, I went after it, and the response I received was scummy. I don't see what part of that you have a problem with.
1 So you're making a meta call with no meta? Very logical. And if it's a small scum tell, why make a case against me at all? What else do you find scummy?
It just never stops. Every post la3 makes is scummy. I cannot fathom how you people are giving him a pass. He may be a newb, but he's looking a lot more like newb scum than newb town.
This looks to me like scum distancing from his buddies. Mentioning that you think someone "is the best lynch" and following that up with two other random suspects is a common scum tactic.
1) I looked at everything, games and all, just the whole post history
2) So you DID think his thirdvote was scummy? Was it or wasn't it??
What part of what la2 is doing is not a logical thing for a newb town to do?
That Alpha Werewolf post you quoted BTW... I agree something seems "off" about it but I can't pinpoint. Maybe my scumdar is broken. I'll look back at that later.
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Could you explain? I agree that he shows a lot of noob tells, but a lot of them are scummy too. What would you say is the difference between a noob scum and a noob town?
I'll try to explain better... they may be scum tells but they are all in line with how a town newb might think... he hasn't done anything that makes no sense as newb town.
Are you saying that you don't want him to claim just yet? If 'yes', why are you currently voting for him? Because as a wagon builds up momentum, the only logical outcome is a claim.
I'm saying that I want to hear a response from heartwork first before he claims. He hasn't responded since the wagon really gained steam, so I think it's only fair that he be given a chance to defend himself from our accusations first. Claiming should be something that should be called for after there is consensus from the town that the person should be lynched. It should be a last resort, not the first one.
I been trying to play better since the beginning of the game, do what i needed to do it appears a lot of words or explanation is needed instead of half jobs. i can't help if i can't read people, this is my first time playing on this site.
The 'can't read people' excuse would be more understandable if you hadn't already been throwing your vote around to lots of different people earlier. The fact that you have no reads only shows, to me, that you didn't really have much to go on in the first place, which means you were just carelessly throwing your vote, seemingly on whoever seemed to be the biggest target at the time.
I dont care if i'm playing the noob factor too much, but give me an honest break. So I made mistakes, i'm human and trying to get better. Am i frustrated, you bet, its seems like anything i post is criticized.
If you think i am truly disruopted to town, fine vote me out then.
I only think you're a distraction to the town...if you actually are town. It is that 'noob factor' that you have that throws everything for a loop really. I really do want to believe that you're town. I have a soft spot for newbs, but I don't want to give a free pass on them just because of their newb-ness. I'm know you're frustrated, but I'm just as frustrated because I don't really know which way to go on you.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
1) I looked at everything, games and all, just the whole post history
2) So you DID think his thirdvote was scummy? Was it or wasn't it??
What part of what la2 is doing is not a logical thing for a newb town to do?
That Alpha Werewolf post you quoted BTW... I agree something seems "off" about it but I can't pinpoint. Maybe my scumdar is broken. I'll look back at that later.
Yes, the third vote was the scummy part. The last to confirm, and lack of funniness was sarcastic.
What la3 is doing is not logical for anyone to do.
But in all seriousness, he is acting jumpy and flailing all over the place. Newb town is confused by being under pressure. Newb scum gets upset about it, and does, well, what la3 is doing.
I'll try to explain better... they may be scum tells but they are all in line with how a town newb might think... he hasn't done anything that makes no sense as newb town.
Hmm, ok, I can see your point, but like I just said, I don't want to give a pass on him just because he's a newb. I guess for now I'll just file him under 'igmeoy'.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
Need to catch up on the thread activity, I haven't had a chance to read for nearly a day. Did read Fox's post at least, and I'm satisfied for the moment, though you still haven't explained your outburst.
This looks to me like scum distancing from his buddies. Mentioning that you think someone "is the best lynch" and following that up with two other random suspects is a common scum tactic.
I'm beginning to think that la3 was right about you and misrepresenting posts. "random" suspects? When have you last read one of my posts? I've mentioned Heartwork as a suspect before, and I've been talking about la3 for a while, marking him as a suspect starting from that post I quoted.
*sigh* Why are we letting this guy stay alive again?
Hmmm. So if I'm reading this right, the wagon on me is basically because A) I've been defending Gamerz without "giving a reason." and B) I'm apparently getting on the Fox wagon early. Is this correct?
In regards to A: I'm fairly sure I'm allowed to get town vibes from someone's posting style, demeanor, composure, etc. without having specific quotes to back up those vibes. If you don't think my evidence for him being town is sufficient, then feel free to not agree with me that he's town. I'm not going to stop thinking he's town because someone else doesn't like my reasoning, though.
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺ am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.
Hmmm. So if I'm reading this right, the wagon on me is basically because A) I've been defending Gamerz without "giving a reason." and B) I'm apparently getting on the Fox wagon early. Is this correct?
No, I'm voting you from your earlier subtle pushing of the la3 wagon. Also your reactions to both myself and others (as seen in your most recent post) are dubious at best.
Hmmm. So if I'm reading this right, the wagon on me is basically because A) I've been defending Gamerz without "giving a reason." and B) I'm apparently getting on the Fox wagon early. Is this correct?
Your wagon exists because people think your scummy. You were defending gamerz, poorly. And you were fence sitting hard on la3. I didn't comment on the fox wagon, but
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.[/quote]
That part feels more forced then Nixon's resignation.
No, I'm voting you from your earlier subtle pushing of the la3 wagon. Also your reactions to both myself and others (as seen in your most recent post) are dubious at best.
Was i pushing his wagon? One would assume I'd vote for him if I was trying to drive his wagon. All I said is that some of his posts were kind of dubious. I think that's a fair observation, given the erratic and confusing nature of both his posts and his vote placement.
1 What's your point? He has a much more casual tone in his other games than this one. In my experience someone being unusually formal is a scum tell, albeit a small one. I don't need the results of the other games to tell that.
Maybe it is the disparity between our experience, but I'm not seeing it as scumtell. I'm highly doubtful that meta-analysis is effective in newbie games, especially on a player without completed game.
2 I don't get it, I didn't quote la3 there. If you make a post that just says VOTE X and didn't say what changed your mind, I will VOTE U. I always do that.
So what kind of 'different approach' were you going to go for here? If you're just looking to avoid being accused of anything, well, good luck with that.
First all of you haven't played with me in mafia, in fact i dont think anyone here on mtgsalvation has. So claim something about me that you dont already know.
if your going by what i said about how the game was played on another site that wont cut either.
I am not trying to avoid anything, i'm trying to pick spots and post and draw attention, it unfortunate i'm still the topic of converation when i dont need to just because i am new player on mtgsalvation
Gamerz you want to know why i am voting its because of you trying to draw me and say something to get people to react bad to this post,
Congrations, i hope it succeeds
3 Because I think it has bearings on our current game?
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
I been trying to play better since the beginning of the game, do what i needed to do it appears a lot of words or explanation is needed instead of half jobs. i can't help if i can't read people, this is my first time playing on this site.
I dont care if i'm playing the noob factor too much, but give me an honest break. So I made mistakes, i'm human and trying to get better. Am i frustrated, you bet, its seems like anything i post is criticized.
If you think i am truly disruopted to town, fine vote me out then.
Firstly, if you want to be a better player, stop posting stuff like this. This is doing you no good, and also distracts the town by clustering up the thread with irrelevant stuff.
Second, just because someone is attacking your post doesn't mean that they hate you or something. This is mafia, we win by catching people making scumslips and lynching them.
Third, if you really can't stand the pressure of being attacked, and is no longer enjoying the game, please kindly ask for a replacement instead of asking the town to lynch you (though I'd rather you stay and finish the game). Cause, if you are a townie, you wouldn't want us to waste our lynch on you, would you?
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺ am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.
Nice WIFOM. Just because you joined a bad wagon, does not much you auto-town.
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
Maybe it is the disparity between our experience, but I'm not seeing it as scumtell. I'm highly doubtful that meta-analysis is effective in newbie games, especially on a player without completed game.
Thing is, you did quote la3's explanation:
Hmm, we'll just agree to disagree on that one then.
la3's explanation was posted AFTER the naked vote AFTER it was called out....
Hmm good catch, somehow I missed that... it doesn't look good. IGME on Ice King.
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@Fox: Being formal is typically a null tell. Formality in the posts all depends on the player. I typically consider myself to post semi formal, but I do it both when I am town and scum.
@Fox: Being formal is typically a null tell. Formality in the posts all depends on the player. I typically consider myself to post semi formal, but I do it both when I am town and scum.
Not if you don't usually talk that way
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I thought I had done this a while ago, but alas, I had not.
Can you give a reason? Why do you find him scummier than Heartwork?
I continue to believe that Heartwork is the best lynch for today, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Wingdamage and Fox wagons are just distraction wagons started in an attempt to save him. Under the assumption that Heartwork is scum, which of the two other wagons is the distraction wagon? Obviously we can't know today, but should Heartwork flip scum these two other wagons will make for good analysis.
After Heartwork's latest posts, I would like another vote on him to produce a claim.
Yeah, I don't think people EVER get lynched in RVS. I mean, theoretically, if there was a silly RVS wagon that four people got on, and then all three scum dogpiled for the quick mislynch, it's possible. But that pretty much guarantees that the person who hammered would get lynched the next day for being obvscum. It's just not ever gonna happen.
I don't know if it's his meta or if he's just being suuuper shady, but I'm really not liking la3's posts right now. I don't know his playstyle well enough to be yelling OMG SCUM at this point, but FoS la3
Not really buying the case on Gamerz. Jumping your vote around in the RVS is what the RVS is all about. If he was jumping his vote around like that later in the day, I'd be onboard with your suspicions, Weaver, but right now I just don't see it.
Gamerz' answers to the questions he's been asked feel pretty town to me. I think Weaver is barking up the wrong tree, though I'm not sure whether on purpose or due to a genuine misread.
la3's posts continue to be...off. I'm not sure they're even scummy, but they're certainly not productive in any way. Some of his "Y'ALL DONT KNOW ME" posts are kind of giving me scum vibes, too. Being a relative unknown doesn't mean no one can have reads on you, and it's not a valid defense to say everyone is wrong because they haven't played with you before.
Part 1 is rather general. Neutral.
Part 2: More fencesitting. Cmon, you have a vote, use it. Somewhat scummy.
If you're going to fence-sit in almost the exact same manner as me, don't get on my case about fence-sitting.
In regards to Laquatus' OMG FENCE-SITTING OMG SCUMTELL shenanigans...yes, I'm fence-sitting, because I think la3 may be scum. I also think he may just be bad at this game or bad at reading comprehension or whatever. Therefore, I'm not going to vote for him until I decide one way or the other, based on whatever content he posts. That's just playing intelligently; if you want to call it a scumtell, go for it, but you're just making yourself look silly.
Well, now he does. I don't like the implication that AL is scum ("shenanigans") or that he's playing unintelligently but the post overall seems genuine. Somewhat town.
inb4 someone posts about how me and gamerz are obviously scumbuddies barning each other.
Not quite sure how to take this post. Scum-HW might make this post to deter voting on either of them, but then again town-HW might do it to defend himself. If nothing else, it's WIFOM-inducing, and therefore slightly scummy.
I have Gamerz leaning town and la3 and wingdamage leaning scum, but likely only one or the other. I don't think they're good enough players to be faking this feud. Everyone else I'm still neutral on.
Well, it establishes his POV if nothing else. Don't like the lack of reads on the whole. Neutral to very slightly scummy overall.
I'd love to know how I'm defending him "without really defending him." Seems to me I'm pretty flagrantly defending him, and have justified my defense of him to multiple people already.
Heartwork's justifications have been weak. I honestly haven't seen a single post where he's quoted a specific phrase or post of Gamerz' that he finds townie. Moreover, I think he realizes this, and is trying to misrepresent his defenses earlier in the game. Scummy.
Wow, this post is absolutely terrible. For one, saying you "don't buy it" multiple times implies that your opinion of someone else's case on you matters; it doesn't. The only thing you should be worried about is whether that case is being "bought" by the other people who are able to vote for your death. For two, your defense is generally extremely lackluster (it can basically be summarized as "I didn't do anything wrong!"), and you finish it off by placing a vote on someone with absolutely no explanation or reasoning whatsoever.
Not a fan of this at all.
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Huh, missed that post by Fox earlier.
He's saying that he doesn't buy WD's self-defense. The "poking and prodding" was what WD stated he was doing. Also "The only thing you should be worried about..." sounds quite self-interested, definitely not a townie thing to say. First part is scummy. Everything after "For two..." is less scummy.
Hmmm. So if I'm reading this right, the wagon on me is basically because A) I've been defending Gamerz without "giving a reason." and B) I'm apparently getting on the Fox wagon early. Is this correct?
In regards to A: I'm fairly sure I'm allowed to get town vibes from someone's posting style, demeanor, composure, etc. without having specific quotes to back up those vibes. If you don't think my evidence for him being town is sufficient, then feel free to not agree with me that he's town. I'm not going to stop thinking he's town because someone else doesn't like my reasoning, though.
Well, you certainly can "get vibes". But your continued defense of Gamerz without any substantive justification is scummy. Do you know he's town?
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺ am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.
Was i pushing his wagon? One would assume I'd vote for him if I was trying to drive his wagon. All I said is that some of his posts were kind of dubious. I think that's a fair observation, given the erratic and confusing nature of both his posts and his vote placement.
See immediately above, neutral
On the whole, Heartwork appears to be playing quite conservatively; he's almost entirely unwilling to use his vote, as though he's timid of voting for some reason. (Seriously, one vote outside of RVS?) This plus the above analysis suggest to me that Heartwork is scum.
Can you give a reason? Why do you find him scummier than Heartwork?
I have yet to be convinced by the cases on Heartwork. I'd like to see his claim, as that will give me something more concrete to work with, but right now, Fox is infinitely more scummy. He attempts to paint certain people in a negative light while keeping his voting conservative. He wants to convince others to vote for him, and that is scummy.
In regards to A: I'm fairly sure I'm allowed to get town vibes from someone's posting style, demeanor, composure, etc. without having specific quotes to back up those vibes. If you don't think my evidence for him being town is sufficient, then feel free to not agree with me that he's town. I'm not going to stop thinking he's town because someone else doesn't like my reasoning, though.
What reasoning was that again? I don't recall you ever giving any actual 'evidence' about my towniness other than 'feelings', which have never been fully explained.
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺ am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.
That's kinda what my point was though...as scum, you could jump on the wagon early so that, if it gets piled on, you don't look like you're getting on it last minute. And if it goes nowhere, then no harm done.
I continue to believe that Heartwork is the best lynch for today, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Wingdamage and Fox wagons are just distraction wagons started in an attempt to save him. Under the assumption that Heartwork is scum, which of the two other wagons is the distraction wagon? Obviously we can't know today, but should Heartwork flip scum these two other wagons will make for good analysis.
Yeah, I don't really think it's worth speculating about that right now, Although, assuming Heartwork flips scum, if you think that the Fox and Wing wagons are distractions, does that mean you think that BHB and Alpha are his scumbuddies?
I have yet to be convinced by the cases on Heartwork. I'd like to see his claim, as that will give me something more concrete to work with, but right now, Fox is infinitely more scummy. He attempts to paint certain people in a negative light while keeping his voting conservative. He wants to convince others to vote for him, and that is scummy.
Wait, you want to see his claim, even though you don't think he's scum?
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
My vote is leaning towards Reya, the amount of posts made and not talkng much has followed a usual scum pattern. However i am open to other scum ideas.
My vote is leaning towards Reya, the amount of posts made and not talkng much has followed a usual scum pattern. However i am open to other scum ideas.
Okay, what do you feel about the cases against Fox and WingDamage?
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
I'm not sure about wingdamage, and i'm putting aside our earlier conflict as i have done seconds on that matter. It could be possible he was trying to feel me out and used my third vote in rvs to see how i would react to soemthing.
Obviously your read evrythng since.
About fox i am still not sure and need to reread his posts.
Heartwork remain on my list of possible suspects
The oen thing i dont like which still bothers me is why Wingdamage and i were engaged in a little scuffle. Why did heartwork and gamerz get into one. My theory is maybe wingdamage was trying to get me to reveal as scum or osmething. Believe me the way i posted earlier in the game, i wouldn't be surprised
The one thing is i think gamerz and heartwork could be scum, trying to deflect what happened between me and heartwork. Bear in mind though this i a low possibilty.
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
You shouldn't be concerned with information. Pending certain things that only matter in a basic, a claim shouldn't exonerate him, just because you like it. The reason someone gets to the claim is because enough people found him suspicious to begin with.
Just a quickie lesson, now back to the claim. Heartwork, please stop slow rolling so we can figure out what were doing. Oh, and grrr for being the most inactive basic I have ever been in...:mad:
If someone claims that they are an unlynchable, unkillable, octa-voter, with 4 daykills and 6 doc-protects, then technically lynching that person solely based on his claim would be gaming the mod, but I would be just fine doing that.
He was busing a buddy. I first thought it was Gamerz, but now that we know that Heart is the scum. I was wrong on who but I dont think I am wrong on the bus overall. I see him as being the logical choice for tom.
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"You have finally come to terms with what I have always seen to be. You have decided to cast the traitor and impostor from Olympus, down to the pits of Tartarus. There, she shall join Ares and the Titans. Eris, Goddess of Chaos is no longer welcome on Olympus. A traitor to the gods has been banished, but they still infiltrate your ranks. Take a break, for it has just begun..."
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1) I looked at everything, games and all, just the whole post history
2) So you DID think his thirdvote was scummy? Was it or wasn't it??
What part of what la2 is doing is not a logical thing for a newb town to do?
That Alpha Werewolf post you quoted BTW... I agree something seems "off" about it but I can't pinpoint. Maybe my scumdar is broken. I'll look back at that later.
I'll try to explain better... they may be scum tells but they are all in line with how a town newb might think... he hasn't done anything that makes no sense as newb town.
Don't worry too much about what others think, it's all part of the game! Stop taking things personal and you'll have more fun
I'm saying that I want to hear a response from heartwork first before he claims. He hasn't responded since the wagon really gained steam, so I think it's only fair that he be given a chance to defend himself from our accusations first. Claiming should be something that should be called for after there is consensus from the town that the person should be lynched. It should be a last resort, not the first one.
The 'can't read people' excuse would be more understandable if you hadn't already been throwing your vote around to lots of different people earlier. The fact that you have no reads only shows, to me, that you didn't really have much to go on in the first place, which means you were just carelessly throwing your vote, seemingly on whoever seemed to be the biggest target at the time.
I only think you're a distraction to the town...if you actually are town. It is that 'noob factor' that you have that throws everything for a loop really. I really do want to believe that you're town. I have a soft spot for newbs, but I don't want to give a free pass on them just because of their newb-ness. I'm know you're frustrated, but I'm just as frustrated because I don't really know which way to go on you.
Yes, the third vote was the scummy part. The last to confirm, and lack of funniness was sarcastic.
What la3 is doing is not logical for anyone to do.
But in all seriousness, he is acting jumpy and flailing all over the place. Newb town is confused by being under pressure. Newb scum gets upset about it, and does, well, what la3 is doing.
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Hmm, ok, I can see your point, but like I just said, I don't want to give a pass on him just because he's a newb. I guess for now I'll just file him under 'igmeoy'.
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I'm beginning to think that la3 was right about you and misrepresenting posts. "random" suspects? When have you last read one of my posts? I've mentioned Heartwork as a suspect before, and I've been talking about la3 for a while, marking him as a suspect starting from that post I quoted.
*sigh* Why are we letting this guy stay alive again?
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In regards to A: I'm fairly sure I'm allowed to get town vibes from someone's posting style, demeanor, composure, etc. without having specific quotes to back up those vibes. If you don't think my evidence for him being town is sufficient, then feel free to not agree with me that he's town. I'm not going to stop thinking he's town because someone else doesn't like my reasoning, though.
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺ am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.
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No, I'm voting you from your earlier subtle pushing of the la3 wagon. Also your reactions to both myself and others (as seen in your most recent post) are dubious at best.
I see newb town get upset about it way more than scum... newbscum doesn't talk that way, it seems pretty obvious to me he has the town in his mind.
Who needs to explain what outburst now?
Your wagon exists because people think your scummy. You were defending gamerz, poorly. And you were fence sitting hard on la3. I didn't comment on the fox wagon, but
In regards to B: I don't really see how I'm jumping on a wagon here. Only one person managed to get their vote on him before me, and that was because they had that vote on him before I had even read Fox's post. I posted why I'm voting Fox, and since the only other person voting him has since unvoted, this is officially the worst wagon of all time. If I'm scum and jumping on a mislynch wagon, holy ☺☺☺☺ am I ever terrible at picking viable wagons.[/quote]
That part feels more forced then Nixon's resignation.
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Was i pushing his wagon? One would assume I'd vote for him if I was trying to drive his wagon. All I said is that some of his posts were kind of dubious. I think that's a fair observation, given the erratic and confusing nature of both his posts and his vote placement.
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Maybe it is the disparity between our experience, but I'm not seeing it as scumtell. I'm highly doubtful that meta-analysis is effective in newbie games, especially on a player without completed game.
Thing is, you did quote la3's explanation:
See the first part.
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Firstly, if you want to be a better player, stop posting stuff like this. This is doing you no good, and also distracts the town by clustering up the thread with irrelevant stuff.
Second, just because someone is attacking your post doesn't mean that they hate you or something. This is mafia, we win by catching people making scumslips and lynching them.
Third, if you really can't stand the pressure of being attacked, and is no longer enjoying the game, please kindly ask for a replacement instead of asking the town to lynch you (though I'd rather you stay and finish the game). Cause, if you are a townie, you wouldn't want us to waste our lynch on you, would you?
Nice WIFOM. Just because you joined a bad wagon, does not much you auto-town.
Where are your scumhunting and stuff?
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Hmm, we'll just agree to disagree on that one then.
la3's explanation was posted AFTER the naked vote AFTER it was called out....
Hmm good catch, somehow I missed that... it doesn't look good. IGME on Ice King.
Ummm....uhh:
@Fox: Being formal is typically a null tell. Formality in the posts all depends on the player. I typically consider myself to post semi formal, but I do it both when I am town and scum.
Still really satisfied with my vote.
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Not if you don't usually talk that way
Would like to see more from Reya, and Tordeck (when he catches up). Thank you.
@Fox: Why do you have your eye on me?
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I thought I had done this a while ago, but alas, I had not.
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Can you give a reason? Why do you find him scummier than Heartwork?
I continue to believe that Heartwork is the best lynch for today, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Wingdamage and Fox wagons are just distraction wagons started in an attempt to save him. Under the assumption that Heartwork is scum, which of the two other wagons is the distraction wagon? Obviously we can't know today, but should Heartwork flip scum these two other wagons will make for good analysis.
After Heartwork's latest posts, I would like another vote on him to produce a claim.
Neutral until we get more information
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Good post. Somewhat townie.
Why not vote here? Mildly scummy.
OK. Good to see statement of opinion.
Part 1 is rather general. Neutral.
Part 2: More fencesitting. Cmon, you have a vote, use it. Somewhat scummy.
Accurate but doesn't address the fencesitting (which AL mentioned...)
Well, now he does. I don't like the implication that AL is scum ("shenanigans") or that he's playing unintelligently but the post overall seems genuine. Somewhat town.
Not quite sure how to take this post. Scum-HW might make this post to deter voting on either of them, but then again town-HW might do it to defend himself. If nothing else, it's WIFOM-inducing, and therefore slightly scummy.
Well, it establishes his POV if nothing else. Don't like the lack of reads on the whole. Neutral to very slightly scummy overall.
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This isn't an actual defense of Gamerz, just a statement of feeling. Somewhat scummy.
AL is right, scummy posts -> scummy player day 1. We don't have anything else to go off of. This isn't a "giant misrep." Scummy.
Heartwork's justifications have been weak. I honestly haven't seen a single post where he's quoted a specific phrase or post of Gamerz' that he finds townie. Moreover, I think he realizes this, and is trying to misrepresent his defenses earlier in the game. Scummy.
Huh, missed that post by Fox earlier.
He's saying that he doesn't buy WD's self-defense. The "poking and prodding" was what WD stated he was doing. Also "The only thing you should be worried about..." sounds quite self-interested, definitely not a townie thing to say. First part is scummy. Everything after "For two..." is less scummy.
Well, you certainly can "get vibes". But your continued defense of Gamerz without any substantive justification is scummy. Do you know he's town?
OK defense. Neutral.
See immediately above, neutral
unvote, vote Heartwork
I believe you're at L-2. Please claim.
I have yet to be convinced by the cases on Heartwork. I'd like to see his claim, as that will give me something more concrete to work with, but right now, Fox is infinitely more scummy. He attempts to paint certain people in a negative light while keeping his voting conservative. He wants to convince others to vote for him, and that is scummy.
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What reasoning was that again? I don't recall you ever giving any actual 'evidence' about my towniness other than 'feelings', which have never been fully explained.
That's kinda what my point was though...as scum, you could jump on the wagon early so that, if it gets piled on, you don't look like you're getting on it last minute. And if it goes nowhere, then no harm done.
Yeah, I don't really think it's worth speculating about that right now, Although, assuming Heartwork flips scum, if you think that the Fox and Wing wagons are distractions, does that mean you think that BHB and Alpha are his scumbuddies?
Wait, you want to see his claim, even though you don't think he's scum?
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Okay, what do you feel about the cases against Fox and WingDamage?
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@la3: And Heartwork, for the matter.
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I'm not sure about wingdamage, and i'm putting aside our earlier conflict as i have done seconds on that matter. It could be possible he was trying to feel me out and used my third vote in rvs to see how i would react to soemthing.
Obviously your read evrythng since.
About fox i am still not sure and need to reread his posts.
Heartwork remain on my list of possible suspects
The oen thing i dont like which still bothers me is why Wingdamage and i were engaged in a little scuffle. Why did heartwork and gamerz get into one. My theory is maybe wingdamage was trying to get me to reveal as scum or osmething. Believe me the way i posted earlier in the game, i wouldn't be surprised
The one thing is i think gamerz and heartwork could be scum, trying to deflect what happened between me and heartwork. Bear in mind though this i a low possibilty.
Right now here is my list
Town
Al
supermoo
beinghumanbeing
alpha werewolf
No read
Ice king
WingDamage
Tordeck
Fox
Possible Mafia
Gamerz
Heartwork
Reya?
I'm not convinced he's scum. He is on my scum-dar though, and I would like to see a claim to push me one way or the other.
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You're at L-2, which is claim range. A full claim would be expected at this point.
What do you think is going to come from his claim that would make you swing one way or another?
The same thing that comes from any claim. Information. If it looks fake or forced to me, I'll be more suspicious of him.
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You shouldn't be concerned with information. Pending certain things that only matter in a basic, a claim shouldn't exonerate him, just because you like it. The reason someone gets to the claim is because enough people found him suspicious to begin with.
Just a quickie lesson, now back to the claim. Heartwork, please stop slow rolling so we can figure out what were doing. Oh, and grrr for being the most inactive basic I have ever been in...:mad:
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I guess that makes sense.
I'm Hermes, god of travel and trade. Messenger of the gods, etc. Vanilla town.
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Because, yeah. This is a basic (so no mod bastardry), and no way scum Gamerz would counterclaim town Heartwork, only to die on the next day.
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Well, we have a name counterclaim, so I guess we caught our first scum. It's always nice to catch one on day 1.
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There's only 15 Olympian gods, and 12 people in this game. I figured hermes would be one of the ones likely to be in the three unused ones. GGs all.
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It was a good try, I'll give you that. Coincidentally, my cat is named Hermes. What that has to do with anything, I don't know. But it's interesting.
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He was busing a buddy. I first thought it was Gamerz, but now that we know that Heart is the scum. I was wrong on who but I dont think I am wrong on the bus overall. I see him as being the logical choice for tom.
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you have proof i'm scum, i guess you haven't closely read my latest posts recently
Which posts do you mean? He quoted a recent post of yours.
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We have one scum caught, and one confirmed town. And I got a box of Mirrodan Beseiged for judging Mid West Master Series today. Good show!
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Ambassador Laquatus, The Ice King, Gamerz, BeingHumanBeing, supermoo999, Alpha Werewolf, WingDamage9001
Foxlnbpkqgz Æenioouoa (1)
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There is a crackle and a pop, and Moera Krataia slowly fades into view.
"You have finally come to terms with what I have always seen to be. You have decided to cast the traitor and impostor from Olympus, down to the pits of Tartarus. There, she shall join Ares and the Titans. Eris, Goddess of Chaos is no longer welcome on Olympus. A traitor to the gods has been banished, but they still infiltrate your ranks. Take a break, for it has just begun..."
It is now Night. Day 2 shall begin Tuesday, April 5th at 10:30 am EST, or as soon as all night choices are in, whichever comes first. If no choice is made for a target, one will be selected at random. (Choosing to not use an ability is an option, you just have to send a PM to tell me.)
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