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Gigas1 (7) - Scarius, Sepiriel, NightArcher, Wolf with a Bass, tezzeret12, Anaklusmos, pinkys_brian
Sir Mu (2) - pinkfloyd, kill-joy
It takes 7 votes to Lynch with 12 alive.
As of this post, Gigas1 has been lynched.
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It started out with an argument on the feasibility of the offer.
It ended with a cold dead corpse lying on the ground, blood trailing slowly in a single stream toward a metal bowl.
Some would claim it was an accident.
But those of us who were there knew better.
As was the norm, in the midst of arguments, emotions ran high and tense. But to the extent of someone grabbing a kitchen knife to slash at another’s throat?
We were desperate. Truly desperate. And terribly frightened.
But Gigas1 did not think so, it seemed. His eyes were in disbelief. Accusing. Regretting. Glassy.
We all stared at Gigas1 as he desperately tried to stem the flow of his lifeblood leaking out, gurgling futilely as he drowned in it, struggling on the floor as his eyes begged us to just do anything to help save him.
None moved forward to try and stop the bleeding.
None moved forward to offer any aid.
None moved at all.
We all just watched as Gigas1 breathed his last, and ceased to be.
Since when were we reduced to deliberately taking another’s life to save our own?
But what was worse was that we picked wrongly.
And thus the nightmare must continue.
Gigas1, Town Mason was lynched Day 1.
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It is now Night 1.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 2 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
The first clue we had that something was wrong was when a river of red streamed in from another room toward the metal bowl.
Those of us who saw it let out terrified shouts and rapidly paled.
As for me, I prayed. Long and hard. For a savior. Or something to deliver us from this nightmare. Or any God who was willing to listen and had not forsaken us to this monstrosity.
It was with a morbid curiosity that we finally trailed the stream of red back to its source. And that was when we discovered the desperate truth. We would not be the only ones doing the killing. The traitors within us were equally desperate, if not more so.
pinkfloyd was dead. His head was caved in to a bloody pulp. And right next to the gory corpse, was a hammer coated with red. Why did no one hear anything? Who amongst us did it?
I could almost see when the situation sunk in for everyone.
Distrustful glances were furtively thrown. Personal spaces suddenly became wider. People were more withdrawn and silent. Most of all, who to trust and who not to?
Beyond the room, the metal bowl hungrily slurped in its latest victim.
vote: scarius
I sense this was lurking scum amoung the votes on Gigas wagon.
Didn't say anything with the vote and avoid the game altogether there after.
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vote: scarius
I sense this was lurking scum amoung the votes on Gigas wagon.
Didn't say anything with the vote and avoid the game altogether there after.
Quickly, someone contact the spirit of pinkfloyd and ask who the killer was.
What do you mean we can't do that?
Grumble grumble.
Vote NightArcher
You're funny. I already explained why a claimed informational role is useless because of this exact scenario. You can have fun ignoring the obvious and spreading confusion when you're dead. Vote Sir Mu.
For the record this is not an OMGUS vote, I said I wanted to lynch Sir Mu before the day ended yesterday.
Oh, and Gigas1's mason partner: Don't claim. You can claim later and we don't want the mafia to know who you are yet.
You're funny. I already explained why a claimed informational role is useless because of this exact scenario. You can have fun ignoring the obvious and spreading confusion when you're dead. Vote Sir Mu.
For the record this is not an OMGUS vote, I said I wanted to lynch Sir Mu before the day ended yesterday.
Oh, and Gigas1's mason partner: Don't claim. You can claim later and we don't want the mafia to know who you are yet.
Did your hat tell you I'm scum or something? At this point the only thing that can explain away your actions in this game are you being scum. I shutter to think that you would act this way as a townie and actually believe you're helping the town. You've been screaming 'lynch me, lynch me' since the start of day 1, and you have yet to do something even remotely pro-town. I'd be honored to fulfill that request.
And for those following the show at home:
Scarius is another chart topper on my scum-o-meter. With only one post day one, with no content and a vote. Someone needs to explain themselves.
Wolf with a bass also has provided very little content this game and hopped onto the wagon once it picked up.
Did your hat tell you I'm scum or something? At this point the only thing that can explain away your actions in this game are you being scum. I shutter to think that you would act this way as a townie and actually believe you're helping the town. You've been screaming 'lynch me, lynch me' since the start of day 1, and you have yet to do something even remotely pro-town. I'd be honored to fulfill that request.
And for those following the show at home:
Scarius is another chart topper on my scum-o-meter. With only one post day one, with no content and a vote. Someone needs to explain themselves.
Wolf with a bass also has provided very little content this game and hopped onto the wagon once it picked up.
The only thing that can explain my actions, really? Ha, let me laugh some more. Ha ha.
I've done more for this town than you have, twitter toes. Now please, do me a favor and vote for yourself, it'll make this whole process go a lot smoother.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm rereading a few things. Some questions to NightArcher
What changed your view from Sir Mu idiot to Sir Mu = scum
Also I don't see how a "disruptive force" is worth lynching.
Backing off of someone from a claim, especially an informational claim is craplogic.
4. Sir Mu & Gigas have been causing confusion in the town with their 'jokes'. I hate it when people intentionally create a big stink at the beginning of the game that doesn't contain info other than possible gut reads.
Why have you not called out Anaklusmos for unvoting and backing off Gigas like you did with gigas and Sir Mu.
I also don't know point 4 = scum. You think they did this on purpose as scum? Have you seen scum cause chaos before?
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These votes on Scarius are a waste of time, I doubt he's coming back and we're going to have to wait on his replacement.
I could see NA being scum. Really don't think Sir Mu is, and the way NA tried to push Gigas for unvoting pinkfloyd after his watcher claim was very scummy in my opinion.
@Mod: Prod for Scarius pls? While the day just started when you add it to his absent time from D1 i think it is warranted.
Currently I want Scarius to come in here and give us a detailed list of his Town/Scum placements as well as his top three choices for a lynch.
I want pressure on Night Archer, the miscount could be accidental but then again it ma not be.
Aside from that pressure today should be on Anak and Pinkys since they are the ones who went over L-2 and Hammered.
I know. In my defense I had no idea I was hammering when I voted.
From the start I found gigas scummy since the with asking for a claim from me and I didn't see anything in the regards to the case on PF. Also faking a double vote and then backing off when PF claimed without asking for more information all = scum to me.
Right now I'm leaning on NightArcher, Anak and Scarius as scum.
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I know. In my defense I had no idea I was hammering when I voted.
From the start I found gigas scummy since the with asking for a claim from me and I didn't see anything in the regards to the case on PF. Also faking a double vote and then backing off when PF claimed without asking for more information all = scum to me.
Right now I'm leaning on NightArcher, Anak and Scarius as scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I know. In my defense I had no idea I was hammering when I voted.
Not really a defense.
From the start I found gigas scummy since the with asking for a claim from me and I didn't see anything in the regards to the case on PF.
Ok, however we now know your idea was wrong, and here's the problem i have even if you made the mistake of not counting Scarius' vote it still meant you intended to place him from L-2 to L-1 there was no need reason for this, it was a completely non townish thing to do and it would mean you wanted to push an un-cc'd pr lynch.
Also faking a double vote and then backing off when PF claimed without asking for more information all = scum to me.
Again how does this now align with the knowledge you were wrong?
Right now I'm leaning on NightArcher, Anak and Scarius as scum.
Ok, however we now know your idea was wrong, and here's the problem i have even if you made the mistake of not counting Scarius' vote it still meant you intended to place him from L-2 to L-1 there was no need reason for this, it was a completely non townish thing to do and it would mean you wanted to push an un-cc'd pr lynch.
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pinkfloyd (3) - Anaklusmos, kill-joy, Gigas1
Gigas1 (1) - Scarius
Sir Mu (1) - pinkfloyd
Anaklusmos (1) - Sir Mu
It takes 7 votes to Lynch with 12 alive.
What I'm getting at I did not count each vote cast on Gigas I read what was being said and my own feelings and read on Gigas and voted.
Are you saying you count votes before casting a vote?
Also while I'm asking questions to you. Is there any reason you didn't say much about anyone else in the game. I noted on my reread all you focased on for the majority of day 1 was Gigas and said nothing about anyone else but NightArcher.
My reason for why I found the 3 I mentioned scummy:
Scarius - lurking scum. Votes gigas with no reasoning and disappears.
Anaklusmos - first post he calls gigas town
Gigas is town. Why? He is the only one who is actually, and there are people that are trying to call him out on it.
but as the tide turns he is quick to vote gigas.
Gigas, that is bad and you know it. On top of everything else, if pinkfloyd is falseclaiming scum, then he has to fabricate results every night. He would likely get himself killed trying to fake the results. Counter-claiming is not the only way to figure out if he is lying, making the fact that countering was the first thing you came to even worse. Not to mention the fact that you pushed someone to claim when a quarter of the game isn't even up to speed.
however he never mentioned an issue when gigas did this the first time.
NightArcher - Right away this post reads as lining up lynches http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7076072&postcount=277
He thinks both gigas and Sir Mu scum for joking around and states that no matter Gigags alignment he would lynch Sir Mu. He doesn't explain why anything they did was scummy just reads as more complaining about the choas. He also talks about Gigas and Sir Mu's quick unvote after the claim, but I don't see why Sir Mu is scummy for unvoting. Who wants to see a claim PR hammered?
Also I find is suspicious that he does not call Anaklusmos out for the unvoting quickly on Gigas. Why complain about 2 people doing this but not the third. Very suspect
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Sorry for the double post but I forgot one more thing
Sepiriel: Are you calling me scum based on a hammer or my case? You voted for Gigas too so calling me wrong on my views and reasoning doesn't make your reasons for voting any more right.
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What I'm getting at I did not count each vote cast on Gigas I read what was being said and my own feelings and read on Gigas and voted.
Apparently you just brisked through it all because you only knew of scarius voting and failed to see the other people Bolding the words VOTE and Gigas
Are you saying you count votes before casting a vote?
Yes i actually do, i don't want to end up speed or ninja lynching someone, i though this was a basic fact, before casting a vote you make sure the person is not within threshold.
Also while I'm asking questions to you. Is there any reason you didn't say much about anyone else in the game. I noted on my reread all you focased on for the majority of day 1 was Gigas and said nothing about anyone else but NightArcher.
Because prior to the incident that got me focused on Gigas i was honestly not wanting to get involved in anything D1, the whole thing had turned into a miserable spam fest of epic proportions, i hate play styles like the ones that dominated D1, and the most civil answer i could have provided was to not comment or get involved.
I'll go back to your choice's reasoning later after class.
Sepiriel: Are you calling me scum based on a hammer or my case? You voted for Gigas too so calling me wrong on my views and reasoning doesn't make your reasons for voting any more right.
First of all this is not an argument, you are attempting to use a TuQuoQue Fallacy.
Simply because i voted for Gigas1 does not mean i cannot wrung you up for your vote, you now admit to willingly and negligently vote without regards of game state, also you are completely underplaying the positioning of the votes, I was Vote #2 you where the hammer, i had a legitimate reason for voting Gigas at the time, you and Anak pushed him past threshold and into the lynch, regardless of Anak's reasoning for voting at the time you voted with complete disregards of the game state which is not a town action, and reads more of scum looking for a quick lynch.
In short yes im currently finding you to be scum due to your opportunistic hammer.
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Hey guys, I didn't want to make it seem as though I had just voted and then just gone. Work and RL stuffed me around and as such I just wanted to get my vote in quick and then go to sleep... Anyways, when I first read through the first posts I was reading it as gigas was scum, clearly I now know differently and as such I kinda feel like a jerk for voting him...
Hey guys, I didn't want to make it seem as though I had just voted and then just gone. Work and RL stuffed me around and as such I just wanted to get my vote in quick and then go to sleep... Anyways, when I first read through the first posts I was reading it as gigas was scum, clearly I now know differently and as such I kinda feel like a jerk for voting him...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
These votes on Scarius are a waste of time, I doubt he's coming back and we're going to have to wait on his replacement.
I could see NA being scum. Really don't think Sir Mu is, and the way NA tried to push Gigas for unvoting pinkfloyd after his watcher claim was very scummy in my opinion.
I'm happy with a vote: NightArcher
I want everyone to pay attention to my response to this, since my earlier explanation doesn't seem to have sunk in.
Informational roles also become useless once claimed, especially when there are no protection roles. If a person claims an informational role like cop or watcher, more than likely they will die before they get a chance to share their results because the mafia can't afford to let them live.
More importantly though, if you think someone is scum their claim should mean absolutely nothing to you. The very idea that you think they're scum means you think they're lying about being town. Something as easy to make up as your role should never make you unvote unless you have reason to believe them. (no cc is not a reason)
It's not that I want to see a pr hammered, it's that the reason they unvote is because the person claimed a power role.
He doesn't explain why anything they did was scummy just reads as more complaining about the choas.
The goal of the town is to find scum. Creating unproductive spamfests directly conflicts with this goal by distracting everyone. How is this something the town wants to do?
Also I find is suspicious that he does not call Anaklusmos out for the unvoting quickly on Gigas. Why complain about 2 people doing this but not the third. Very suspect
FTR, anaklusmos's unvote came after the last time I posted that day. I must have missed it in the day transition. I honestly didn't realize he unvoted gigas until you pointed it out. I thought previous mentions of it were in reference to his unvote of PF.
Hey guys, I didn't want to make it seem as though I had just voted and then just gone. Work and RL stuffed me around and as such I just wanted to get my vote in quick and then go to sleep... Anyways, when I first read through the first posts I was reading it as gigas was scum, clearly I now know differently and as such I kinda feel like a jerk for voting him...
Vote: Sir Mu
WOOOOOOW. If voting someone while providing absolutely no content wasn't fishy the first time, let me do it again. This almost looks like you're doing it on purpose. Congratulations on jumping to the top of my scumlist.
Unvote, Vote Scarius.
I still maintain my FoS on Sir Mu, but I'm not liking the number of votes he's getting without just explanation. Wolf with a Bass still is providing no content and I maintain my FoS on him too.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I have cast my vote the way that I have because; the amount of stuff that he is posting are not only outlandish claims but things that he would have no actuall knowledge of. Also he is providing disinfomation at a rediculas rate that most people would have trouble to sort out the difference between what he is actually posting and what random crap he is sprouting off the top of his head
Hey guys, I didn't want to make it seem as though I had just voted and then just gone. Work and RL stuffed me around and as such I just wanted to get my vote in quick and then go to sleep...
That still does not explain why you dissapeared completely for so long, nor why you felt the need to simply put a vote with no basis or explanation at the time and just leave it hanging, at the very least if you where that busy you could have come in stated RL is being a ***** and unvoted but you didnt.
Anyways, when I first read through the first posts I was reading it as gigas was scum,
So let me get this straight, your RL and other miscellaneous made it impossible for you to read or reply to the thread but you still had enough time to catch up on 130 posts and drop a completely unsupported vote? Give me right now at least two posts from Giga that support the above statement of yours, if you really read 130 of the initial posts you should be able to provide at least that.
clearly I now know differently and as such I kinda feel like a jerk for voting him...
I have cast my vote the way that I have because; the amount of stuff that he is posting are not only outlandish claims but things that he would have no actuall knowledge of.
Such as? you cannot simply claim things to be so, provide examples of said actions during your next post.
Also he is providing disinfomation at a rediculas rate that most people would have trouble to sort out the difference between what he is actually posting and what random crap he is sprouting off the top of his head
How do you know it is disinformation? the only way you could know this is if you had in-game knowledge or if you were the mod/reviewer.
You also managed to completely bypass my post directed at you before, correct this immediately.
FoS Scarius, note intent to vote if his next post fails to address this post as well as my prior request.
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I have cast my vote the way that I have because; the amount of stuff that he is posting are not only outlandish claims but things that he would have no actuall knowledge of. Also he is providing disinfomation at a rediculas rate that most people would have trouble to sort out the difference between what he is actually posting and what random crap he is sprouting off the top of his head
So you're saying you're voting me because you don't like the way I post.
Yes i actually do, i don't want to end up speed or ninja lynching someone, i though this was a basic fact, before casting a vote you make sure the person is not within threshold.
So noted
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Because prior to the incident that got me focused on Gigas i was honestly not wanting to get involved in anything D1, the whole thing had turned into a miserable spam fest of epic proportions, i hate play styles like the ones that dominated D1, and the most civil answer i could have provided was to not comment or get involved.
Disagree. If you don't state an opinion or talk about what is going on or whom else you find scummy it looks more like floating by.
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you and Anak pushed him past threshold and into the lynch, regardless of Anak's reasoning for voting at the time you voted with complete disregards of the game state which is not a town action, and reads more of scum looking for a quick lynch.
Did not know I was hammering. You can say how it looks but not realizing where the vote count is, was not something I did on purpose or with malice.
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The goal of the town is to find scum. Creating unproductive spamfests directly conflicts with this goal by distracting everyone. How is this something the town wants to do?
After it was all done and said he talked about what he saw and whom he found town. I have seen players do this style and find scum by how people react to the chaos. Are you saying he didn't do this? Are you saying in all the chaos he is not scum hunting?
Scarius:
Whom else do you find scummy and why?
@SirMu: In regards to NightArcher. I have one vote and it is needed against Scarius currently.
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@SirMu: I believe they are both scum, but I'm willing to push a bit further on this
Unvote:
vote: NightArcher
So far the only thing I see people talking about with SirMu is his playstyle in this game but that does not = scummy.
I don't like the votes or reasoning thus far. I suspect Scarius now voting on the biggest BW for crap reasoning and NightArcher on this wagon.
@Tezz: Do you really think scum are antagonistic, ala Sir Mu?
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No, but the fact that he's been a. jumping onto random people and b. jumping town who would've actually been quite useful (a.k.a. Gigas).
And Sir Mu, no, I don't suppose it does. I'm not the one up for debate here.
That's you.
You're a laugh and a half. I'm just going to put you down a tiny notch from confirmed town to very much probably town with the tiniest possibility of scum, but I doubt it.
Gigas1 (7) - Scarius, Sepiriel, NightArcher, Wolf with a Bass, tezzeret12, Anaklusmos, pinkys_brian
Sir Mu (2) - pinkfloyd, kill-joy
It takes 7 votes to Lynch with 12 alive.
As of this post, Gigas1 has been lynched.
~~~
It started out with an argument on the feasibility of the offer.
It ended with a cold dead corpse lying on the ground, blood trailing slowly in a single stream toward a metal bowl.
Some would claim it was an accident.
But those of us who were there knew better.
As was the norm, in the midst of arguments, emotions ran high and tense. But to the extent of someone grabbing a kitchen knife to slash at another’s throat?
We were desperate. Truly desperate. And terribly frightened.
But Gigas1 did not think so, it seemed. His eyes were in disbelief. Accusing. Regretting. Glassy.
We all stared at Gigas1 as he desperately tried to stem the flow of his lifeblood leaking out, gurgling futilely as he drowned in it, struggling on the floor as his eyes begged us to just do anything to help save him.
None moved forward to try and stop the bleeding.
None moved forward to offer any aid.
None moved at all.
We all just watched as Gigas1 breathed his last, and ceased to be.
Since when were we reduced to deliberately taking another’s life to save our own?
But what was worse was that we picked wrongly.
And thus the nightmare must continue.
Gigas1, Town Mason was lynched Day 1.
~~~
It is now Night 1.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 2 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
How long should we wait before making this decision?
...We forgot about Scarius.
He was town???
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
The first clue we had that something was wrong was when a river of red streamed in from another room toward the metal bowl.
Those of us who saw it let out terrified shouts and rapidly paled.
As for me, I prayed. Long and hard. For a savior. Or something to deliver us from this nightmare. Or any God who was willing to listen and had not forsaken us to this monstrosity.
It was with a morbid curiosity that we finally trailed the stream of red back to its source. And that was when we discovered the desperate truth. We would not be the only ones doing the killing. The traitors within us were equally desperate, if not more so.
pinkfloyd was dead. His head was caved in to a bloody pulp. And right next to the gory corpse, was a hammer coated with red. Why did no one hear anything? Who amongst us did it?
I could almost see when the situation sunk in for everyone.
Distrustful glances were furtively thrown. Personal spaces suddenly became wider. People were more withdrawn and silent. Most of all, who to trust and who not to?
Beyond the room, the metal bowl hungrily slurped in its latest victim.
pinkfloyd, Town Watcher was killed Night 1.
~~~
It is now Day 2.
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]Also where is scarius[/color]
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
What do you mean we can't do that?
Grumble grumble.
Vote NightArcher
vote: scarius
I sense this was lurking scum amoung the votes on Gigas wagon.
Didn't say anything with the vote and avoid the game altogether there after.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Reading is tech.
You're funny. I already explained why a claimed informational role is useless because of this exact scenario. You can have fun ignoring the obvious and spreading confusion when you're dead. Vote Sir Mu.
For the record this is not an OMGUS vote, I said I wanted to lynch Sir Mu before the day ended yesterday.
Oh, and Gigas1's mason partner: Don't claim. You can claim later and we don't want the mafia to know who you are yet.
You are terrible scum.
And for those following the show at home:
Scarius is another chart topper on my scum-o-meter. With only one post day one, with no content and a vote. Someone needs to explain themselves.
Wolf with a bass also has provided very little content this game and hopped onto the wagon once it picked up.
The only thing that can explain my actions, really? Ha, let me laugh some more. Ha ha.
I've done more for this town than you have, twitter toes. Now please, do me a favor and vote for yourself, it'll make this whole process go a lot smoother.
What are you talking about? You can totally hear him calling out the name of his killer.
Although, it sounds like a cow.
Muuuuuuuu... Muuuuuuuu...
Vote Sir Mu because he's scum, like I've been saying the whole game.
Hey, as town it's your job to hunt scum, not people you think are scum because they don't talk pretty to you.
BAH!!
LOL
Did I say that? No.
You don't have to say it.
What changed your view from Sir Mu idiot to Sir Mu = scum
Also I don't see how a "disruptive force" is worth lynching.
Why have you not called out Anaklusmos for unvoting and backing off Gigas like you did with gigas and Sir Mu.
I also don't know point 4 = scum. You think they did this on purpose as scum? Have you seen scum cause chaos before?
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Currently I want Scarius to come in here and give us a detailed list of his Town/Scum placements as well as his top three choices for a lynch.
I want pressure on Night Archer, the miscount could be accidental but then again it ma not be.
Aside from that pressure today should be on Anak and Pinkys since they are the ones who went over L-2 and Hammered.
Thus my vote for pinksys because he ninja hammered.
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
These votes on Scarius are a waste of time, I doubt he's coming back and we're going to have to wait on his replacement.
I could see NA being scum. Really don't think Sir Mu is, and the way NA tried to push Gigas for unvoting pinkfloyd after his watcher claim was very scummy in my opinion.
I'm happy with a vote: NightArcher
Ugh, our two confirmed town are bloody useless.
Oooooh nooooo, Sir Mu waved his hands around and made silly posts, he muuuuust be scuuuuum!
Stop corking an open bottle for three seconds and look for scum.
I know. In my defense I had no idea I was hammering when I voted.
From the start I found gigas scummy since the with asking for a claim from me and I didn't see anything in the regards to the case on PF. Also faking a double vote and then backing off when PF claimed without asking for more information all = scum to me.
Right now I'm leaning on NightArcher, Anak and Scarius as scum.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Yeah, you're town.
Third confirmed town.
I'm confused, so you want them to scumhunt as long as it isnt you?
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
What brought you to the conclusion that we're confirmed town?
You never explained that.
What about that post confirms pinky's as town? It gives off a town vibe, sure. Not confirms him.
I agree here. We should wait until Scarius starts posting/gets replaced before dealing with him.
Sidepoint: I've been rethinking my vote, and I think I'm voting him because his playstyle this game is bothering me.
So Unvote pending a reread.
They're scumhunting?
Not really a defense.
Ok, however we now know your idea was wrong, and here's the problem i have even if you made the mistake of not counting Scarius' vote it still meant you intended to place him from L-2 to L-1 there was no need reason for this, it was a completely non townish thing to do and it would mean you wanted to push an un-cc'd pr lynch.
Again how does this now align with the knowledge you were wrong?
Could you tell me your reasons for this?
How does that post make him town? even more how does it make him confirmed town?
@Everyone: Top 3 Lynch choices for the day with reasons.
I'll be going back and rereading a few things will post more after class once i finish rereads.
Last vote count I saw in the game:
What I'm getting at I did not count each vote cast on Gigas I read what was being said and my own feelings and read on Gigas and voted.
Are you saying you count votes before casting a vote?
Also while I'm asking questions to you. Is there any reason you didn't say much about anyone else in the game. I noted on my reread all you focased on for the majority of day 1 was Gigas and said nothing about anyone else but NightArcher.
My reason for why I found the 3 I mentioned scummy:
Scarius - lurking scum. Votes gigas with no reasoning and disappears.
Anaklusmos - first post he calls gigas town
but as the tide turns he is quick to vote gigas.
however he never mentioned an issue when gigas did this the first time.
NightArcher - Right away this post reads as lining up lynches
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7076072&postcount=277
He thinks both gigas and Sir Mu scum for joking around and states that no matter Gigags alignment he would lynch Sir Mu. He doesn't explain why anything they did was scummy just reads as more complaining about the choas. He also talks about Gigas and Sir Mu's quick unvote after the claim, but I don't see why Sir Mu is scummy for unvoting. Who wants to see a claim PR hammered?
Also I find is suspicious that he does not call Anaklusmos out for the unvoting quickly on Gigas. Why complain about 2 people doing this but not the third. Very suspect
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town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Sepiriel: Are you calling me scum based on a hammer or my case? You voted for Gigas too so calling me wrong on my views and reasoning doesn't make your reasons for voting any more right.
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town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Yes i actually do, i don't want to end up speed or ninja lynching someone, i though this was a basic fact, before casting a vote you make sure the person is not within threshold.
Because prior to the incident that got me focused on Gigas i was honestly not wanting to get involved in anything D1, the whole thing had turned into a miserable spam fest of epic proportions, i hate play styles like the ones that dominated D1, and the most civil answer i could have provided was to not comment or get involved.
I'll go back to your choice's reasoning later after class.
First of all this is not an argument, you are attempting to use a TuQuoQue Fallacy.
Simply because i voted for Gigas1 does not mean i cannot wrung you up for your vote, you now admit to willingly and negligently vote without regards of game state, also you are completely underplaying the positioning of the votes, I was Vote #2 you where the hammer, i had a legitimate reason for voting Gigas at the time, you and Anak pushed him past threshold and into the lynch, regardless of Anak's reasoning for voting at the time you voted with complete disregards of the game state which is not a town action, and reads more of scum looking for a quick lynch.
In short yes im currently finding you to be scum due to your opportunistic hammer.
How are you not?
Vote: Sir Mu
Your reasons for voting Mu are...?
Give us some reasons plz.
I'm pretty sure no one is CONFIRMED yet. Why do you think we are?
You are the one that said it, now I'm sure people would like some reasons.
I want everyone to pay attention to my response to this, since my earlier explanation doesn't seem to have sunk in.
Informational roles also become useless once claimed, especially when there are no protection roles. If a person claims an informational role like cop or watcher, more than likely they will die before they get a chance to share their results because the mafia can't afford to let them live.
More importantly though, if you think someone is scum their claim should mean absolutely nothing to you. The very idea that you think they're scum means you think they're lying about being town. Something as easy to make up as your role should never make you unvote unless you have reason to believe them. (no cc is not a reason)
It's not that I want to see a pr hammered, it's that the reason they unvote is because the person claimed a power role.
The goal of the town is to find scum. Creating unproductive spamfests directly conflicts with this goal by distracting everyone. How is this something the town wants to do?
FTR, anaklusmos's unvote came after the last time I posted that day. I must have missed it in the day transition. I honestly didn't realize he unvoted gigas until you pointed it out. I thought previous mentions of it were in reference to his unvote of PF.
WOOOOOOW. If voting someone while providing absolutely no content wasn't fishy the first time, let me do it again. This almost looks like you're doing it on purpose. Congratulations on jumping to the top of my scumlist.
Unvote, Vote Scarius.
I still maintain my FoS on Sir Mu, but I'm not liking the number of votes he's getting without just explanation. Wolf with a Bass still is providing no content and I maintain my FoS on him too.
Please, give me some reasons why you're not.
I see what you're trying to do here, and it's not working.
You made the claim. Back it up.
So let me get this straight, your RL and other miscellaneous made it impossible for you to read or reply to the thread but you still had enough time to catch up on 130 posts and drop a completely unsupported vote? Give me right now at least two posts from Giga that support the above statement of yours, if you really read 130 of the initial posts you should be able to provide at least that.
Feels like fake remorse.
you almost feel like a Naka.
Such as? you cannot simply claim things to be so, provide examples of said actions during your next post.
How do you know it is disinformation? the only way you could know this is if you had in-game knowledge or if you were the mod/reviewer.
You also managed to completely bypass my post directed at you before, correct this immediately.
FoS Scarius, note intent to vote if his next post fails to address this post as well as my prior request.
So you're saying you're voting me because you don't like the way I post.
You receive an F in scumhuntology.
Why haven't we lynched NightArcher yet?
So noted
Disagree. If you don't state an opinion or talk about what is going on or whom else you find scummy it looks more like floating by.
Did not know I was hammering. You can say how it looks but not realizing where the vote count is, was not something I did on purpose or with malice.
After it was all done and said he talked about what he saw and whom he found town. I have seen players do this style and find scum by how people react to the chaos. Are you saying he didn't do this? Are you saying in all the chaos he is not scum hunting?
Scarius:
Whom else do you find scummy and why?
@SirMu: In regards to NightArcher. I have one vote and it is needed against Scarius currently.
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town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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No, you answer me.
@pinkys: Scarius may or may not be scum; I don't really care today, because I know NightArcher is scum, and therefor needs to be lynched.
Because the message Dagger sent to you said you were.
Unvote:
vote: NightArcher
So far the only thing I see people talking about with SirMu is his playstyle in this game but that does not = scummy.
I don't like the votes or reasoning thus far. I suspect Scarius now voting on the biggest BW for crap reasoning and NightArcher on this wagon.
@Tezz: Do you really think scum are antagonistic, ala Sir Mu?
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town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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I have my reasons. Do they matter?
You're a laugh and a half. I'm just going to put you down a tiny notch from confirmed town to very much probably town with the tiniest possibility of scum, but I doubt it.