In life all we can do is try to make things better. Sitting lost in old ways and fearing change only makes us outdated and ignorant.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
So if we are using Nephalia Drownyard, why not throw a Jace in here? He is a nice surprise as a side wincon to mill opponent if you stall them out. I also like Karn over Sorin's Vengeance or Army of the Damned (this card sucks when your opponent drops a Massacre Wurm :().
I like a control deck with a nice amount of fatties (4 creatures + 2 planeswalkers) seems to do it for me. I don't like to run light of fatties, and I recently switched to running 27 lands ... yuck, it sucks but it feels smoother and more consistent playing this way with all the card advantage.
Counter package is fat, 10 counters (well 1 is a bounce spell).
My removal package (4 spells) is a bit light because of all the hexproof creatures running rampant in the meta. I know Victim of Night seems weird in here ... but it can actually kill more standard creatures (83%) than Doom Blade (79%) or Go for the Throat (80%). So, it seems reasonable to try this removal spell that currently has a slight edge... of course, until everyone starts playing werewolves/vamps/zombies.
Card advantage package is rather hefty too (8) with Think Twice and Forbidden Alchemy. I don't like seeing too many Alchemy's (4) so I am gleaming off slipknot72102's list and dropping in a Blue Sun's Zenith for 1 Alchemy.
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@ metalhead123
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In life all we can do is try to make things better. Sitting lost in old ways and fearing change only makes us outdated and ignorant.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
In life all we can do is try to make things better. Sitting lost in old ways and fearing change only makes us outdated and ignorant.
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
I love the egg! It's a nice mana sink that can block a lot of the early aggro critters. It also gives your opponent something to focus on when you get a few counters on it. Can't forget to mention the 13/13 trampler at the bottom of the mana hole if it does survive. I've managed to flip him when I draw him (almost every game) more than half the time.
Very simple list. I want to fit another Consecrated Sphinx in, but I'm afraid of hurting other aspects of the deck. Blue Sun's Zenith typically under performs for me, considering swapping it out for a 4th Forbidden Alchemy. I have a wide variety of removal that handle's most lists well. Though the Geth's Verdict may get swapped out for Dismember, it can be pretty mediocre top deck. Still, Thrun, The Last Troll and Dungrove Elder terrify me. Sideboard is pretty self explanatory.
Sideboard notes:
-Drownyard, Quarter, and Jace come in against control, especially the mirror.
-A second batterskull, and some cheaper removal, comes in against aggro.
-Distress comes in against planeswalker or enchantment problems.
-Spellskite comes in against aggro and ramp.
-Tribute to Hunger comes in against hexproof.
I figure he is the worst threat your opponents can play, as only 1 card in the deck can kill him, and it requires you to tap 6 mana. RDW seems like an impossible matchup, but I would almost just give it up to keep my deck as good as it is against everything else.
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4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Ghost Quarter
9 Island
2 Nephalia Drownyard
6 Swamp
3 Consecrated Sphinx
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Dissipate
4 Doom Blade
3 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Mana Leak
1 Negate
2 Ratchet Bomb
4 Think Twice
2 Wring Flesh
2 Batterskull
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Jace, Memory Adept
1 Negate
1 Nephalia Drownyard
3 Phantasmal Image
1 Ratchet Bomb
3 Spellskite
1 Volition Reins
1 Wring Flesh
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Mana leak
4 Dissipate
2 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Negate
4 Doom Blade
4 Think Twice
4 Forbidden Alchemy
2 Dismember
2 Disperse
4 Darkslick Shores
8 Island
6 Swamps
2 Ghost Quarters
2 Nephalia Drownyard
4 Flashfreeze
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Wring Flesh
1 Negate
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Spellskite
1 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Grave Titan
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Dismember
4 Dissipate
2 Doom Blade
4 Forbidden Alchemy
1 Geth's Verdict
1 Go for the Throat
4 Mana Leak
4 Think Twice
2 Visions of Beyond
1 Wring Flesh
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Ghost Quarter
7 Island
2 Nephalia Drownyard
7 Swamp
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Dismember
4 Flashfreeze
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Ratchet Bomb
3 Spellskite
2 Wring Flesh
Thanks Hero's of the Plane
Modern
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xRxAffinityxRx
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacombs
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Nephalia Drownyard
8 Island
6 Swamp
Creatures 9
2 Consecrated Sphinx
2 Grave Titan
1 Frost Titan
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Negate
4 Dissipate
3 Doom Blade
1 Geth's Verdict
3 Forbidden Alchemy
1 Disperse
4 Mana Leak
4 Think Twice
2 Wring Flesh
3 Phantasmal Image
3 Spellskite
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Negate
2 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Nephalia Drownyard
3 Flashfreeze
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Grave Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
[28 other spells]
4 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Think Twice
4 Dissipate
4 Mana Leak
3 Dismember
2 Disperse
2 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Doom Blade
1 Go for the Throat
1 Negate
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Nephalia Drownyard
9 Island
5 Swamp
3 Virulent Wound
2 Disperse
2 Flashfreeze
2 stoic rebuttal
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Negate
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
4 Think Twice
4 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Dissipate
4 Mana Leak
Creatures.
1 Grave Titan
1 Batterskull
1 Consecrated Sphinx
4 Snapcaster Mage
Other Spells:
3 Doom Blade
1 Go for the Throat
1 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Tribute to Hunger
2 Druidic Satchel
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
7 Island
6 Swamp
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Inkmoth Nexus
1 Buried Ruin
3 Flashfreeze
3 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Virulent Wound
2 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Nephalia Drownyard
Also, woo! Shiny new thread!
BRG [T2] Jund Midrange GRB
W [Modern] Mono-White Control W
I like a control deck with a nice amount of fatties (4 creatures + 2 planeswalkers) seems to do it for me. I don't like to run light of fatties, and I recently switched to running 27 lands ... yuck, it sucks but it feels smoother and more consistent playing this way with all the card advantage.
Counter package is fat, 10 counters (well 1 is a bounce spell).
My removal package (4 spells) is a bit light because of all the hexproof creatures running rampant in the meta. I know Victim of Night seems weird in here ... but it can actually kill more standard creatures (83%) than Doom Blade (79%) or Go for the Throat (80%). So, it seems reasonable to try this removal spell that currently has a slight edge... of course, until everyone starts playing werewolves/vamps/zombies.
Card advantage package is rather hefty too (8) with Think Twice and Forbidden Alchemy. I don't like seeing too many Alchemy's (4) so I am gleaming off slipknot72102's list and dropping in a Blue Sun's Zenith for 1 Alchemy.
Would love some suggestions.
2 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Frost Titan
1 Grave Titan
4 Snapcaster Mage
Instant
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Disperse
4 Dissipate
2 Doom Blade
3 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Mana Leak
1 Negate
4 Think Twice
1 Tribute to Hunger
1 Victim of Night
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Ghost Quarter
8 Island
2 Nephalia Drownyard
6 Swamp
Planeswalker
1 Karn Liberated
Sorcery
2 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Tribute to Hunger
1 Negate
1 Doom Blade
1 Steel Sabotage
1 Jace, Memory Adept
2 Batterskull
Trade Thread
Standard
UB UB Control UB
UW UW Pristine Control UW
UW Venser Control UW
@ metalhead123
Make a thread for it on the main page. discussion of specifics isn't allowed in this threat as the post that I quoted.
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Ghost Quarter
8 Island
6 Swamp
Creatures (8):
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Consecrated Sphinx
2 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Mana Leak
4 Think Twice
4 Doom Blade
4 Dissipate
3 Forbidden Alchemy
3 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Wring Flesh
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
3 Spellskite
3 Disperse
2 Negate
2 Tribute to Hunger
2 Phantasmal Image
1 Batterskull
1 Volition Reins
1 Jace, Memory Adept
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Consecrated Sphinx
2 Grave Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
Instants/Sorceries (25)
1 Negate
4 Mana Leak
4 Think Twice
4 Forbidden Alchemy
2 Dissipate
2 Despise
2 Wring Flesh
4 Go for the Throat
2 Black Sun's Zenith
8 Island
6 Swamp
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Nephalia Drownyard
3 Flashfreeze
2 Negate
2 Disperse
1 Dissipate
1 Volition Reins
1 Doom Blade
2 Tribute to Hunger
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Ratchet Bomb
Standard
Nah
Modern
UFishbowlU
10 Island
6 Swamp
3 Nephalia Drownyard
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Darkslick Shores
2 Ghost Quarter
Creatures
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Batterskull
4 Mana leak
4 Dissipate
2 Negate
4 Think Twice
3 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Doom Blade
2 Dismember
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Ratchet Bomb
3 Nihil Spellbomb
4 Despise
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Black Sun's Zenith
4 Flashfreeze
1 Psychic Barrier
1 Volition Reins
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Grave Titan
1 Consecrated Sphinx
Artifacts:
1 Batterskull
Instants:
2 Dismember
4 Think Twice
4 Mana Leak
3 Doom Blade
1 Negate
3 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Dissipate
2 Tribute to Hunger
2 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Sever the Bloodline
Planeswalkers:
1 Jace, Memory Adept
Lands:
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
2 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Buried Ruin
8 Island
4 Swamp
3 Flashfreeze
4 Surgical Extraction
1 Tribute to Hunger
1 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Sever the Bloodline
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Life's Finale
Draft My Cube!
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Grave Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
[27 other spells]
4 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Dissipate
4 Mana Leak
4 Think Twice
2 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Go for the Throat
2 Dismember
2 Disperse
2 Doom Blade
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Nephalia Drownyard
10 Island
6 Swamp
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Negate
2 Stoic Rebuttal
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Virulent Wound
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Dismember
1 Blue sun's zenith
1 Nephalia Drownyard
Albert Einstein
Thomas Jefferson
2 x Grave Titan
2 x Wurmcoil Engine
4 x SnapCaster Mage
Instants - 24
2 x Disperse
2 x Doom Blade
2 x Go For The Throat
4 x Mana Leak
4 x Dissipate
4 x Think Twice
4 x Forbidden Alchemy
1 x Blue Sun’s Zenith
2 x Black Sun’s Zenith
Lands - 26
4 x Darkslick Shore
4 x Drowned Catacomb
3 x Buried Ruin
8 x Island
7 x Swamp
Artifacts - 1
1 x BatterSkull
2 x Ratchet Bomb
3 x Surgical Extraction
4 x Negate
2 x Hex Parasite
1 x Black Sun’s Zenith
1 x Go For the Throat
2 x Tribute to Hunger
Standard
U// SoM/Inn Rotation Grixis Control W/L/D 22-7-2 (4-3 in 5k, Dropped 7th round)
Status: Reactivated
U// Inn/RtR Rotation Grixis Control Tournament W/L/D 3-1-0 Testing 1-0-0
Status: Active
Modern
Not getting into it yet. No local modern tourneys
EDH
G Azusa W/L/D 8-2-0 Status: Back! but retired for now
2 Grave Titan
2 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Frost Titan
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Spellskite
Instants
4 Doom Blade
2 Go for the Throat
1 Dismember
4 Mana Leak
3 Dissipate
4 Think Twice
2 Forbidden Alchemy
3 Black Sun's Zenith
Lands
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
9 Island
9 Swamp
1 Volition Reins
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Ratchet Bomb
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Go for the Throat
2 Dismember
2 Virulent Wound
2 Flashfreeze
4x drowned catacomb
4x darkslick shore
3x ghost quarter
2x nephalia drownyard
6x island
6x swamp
creatures (6)
3x snapcaster mage
2x grave titan
1x frost titan
2x black sun's zenith
4x ponder
instants (23)
4x go for the throat
2x dismember
1x doom blade
4x mana leak
4x dissipate
4x think twice
2x unsummon
2x blue sun's zenith
2x flashfreeze
3x negate
1x doom blade
3x tribute to hunger
1x ghost quarter
1x monomania
2x surgical extraction
1x mind rot
1x memoricide
standard
BU control
BG infect
modern:
mill
edh:
devour for power
Shizuko ramp
4 Shimmer Myr
2 Vault Skirge
2 Invisible Stalker
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Steel Hellkite
Instants (16)
2 Mana leak
2 Dissipate
2 Negate
2 Stoic Rebuttal
2 Steel Sabatoge
2 Doom Blade
2 Go for the Throat
2 Geth's Verdict
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Body and Mind
1 Batterskull
Planeswalkers (6)
2 Lilliana of the Veil
2 Jace, Memory Adept
2 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Land (25)
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
7 Island
7 Swamps
1 Buried Ruin
2 Inkmoth Nexus
2 Flashfreeze
2 Phrexian Revoker
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Grand Architect
2 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Karn Liberated
1 Spellskite
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Nephalia Drownyard
7 Island
7 Swamp
Creatures: 7
2 Consecrated Sphinx
2 Grave Titan
3 Snapcaster Mage
Plainswalkers: 1
1 Karn Liberated
Instants: 22
4 Mana leak
4 Dissipate
1 Negate
4 Think Twice
2 Forbidden Alchemy
1 Blue Suns's Zenith
2 Doom Blade
2 Tribute to Hunger
2 Go for the Throat
2 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Monomania
2 Black Sun's Zenith
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Tribute to Hunger
3 Ghost Quarter
2 Negate
1 Volition Reins
1 Doom Blade
My DCI ELO Ratings - May they rest in peace :'(
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Ghost Quarter
7 Island
7 Swamp
Creatures 11
2 Bloodline Keeper
1 Consecrated Sphinx
3 Grave Titan
2 Phantasmal Image
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Dismember
2 Dissipate
2 Doom Blade
2 Go for the Throat
4 Mana Leak
Sorcery 10
1 Army of the Damned
4 Despise
4 Gitaxian Probe
1 Ponder
2 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Dissipate
1 Doom Blade
2 Geth's Verdict
1 Go for the Throat
2 Mental Misstep
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Volition Reins
1 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacombs
2 Ghost Quarter
9 Island
7 Swamp
Creatures 10
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Grave Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Snapcaster Mage
3 Ludevic's Test Subject
1 Black Sun's Zenith
1 Negate
4 Dissipate
4 Doom Blade
2 Tribute to Hunger
4 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Mana Leak
4 Think Twice
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Disperse
4 Flashfreeze
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Go for the Throat
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Phantasmal Image
I love the egg! It's a nice mana sink that can block a lot of the early aggro critters. It also gives your opponent something to focus on when you get a few counters on it. Can't forget to mention the 13/13 trampler at the bottom of the mana hole if it does survive. I've managed to flip him when I draw him (almost every game) more than half the time.
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Grave Titan
4 Snapcaster Mage
Spells
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
3 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Think Twice
4 Dissipate
4 Mana Leak
1 Negate
4 Doom Blade
2 Geth's Verdict
2 Wring Flesh
1 Black Sun's Zenith
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Nephalia Drownyard
7 Island
7 Swamp
2 Nihil Spellbomb
3 Ratchet Bomb
3 Phantasmal Image
3 Spellskite
1 Negate
2 Wring Flesh
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Grave Titan
1 Batterskull
4 Snapcaster Mage
Counters: 9
4 Mana Leak
4 Dissipate
1 Negate
Removal: 9
2 Wring Flesh
1 Go for the Throat
2 Doom Blade
1 Tribute to Hunger
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Black Sun's Zenith
4 Think Twice
3 Forbidden Alchemy
Land: 26
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Nephalia Drownyard
1 Ghost Town
8 Island
6 Swamp
2 Distress
2 Spellskite
2 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Tribute to Hunger
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Wring Flesh
1 Steel Sabotage
1 Batterskull
1 Jace, Memory Adept
Sideboard notes:
-Drownyard, Quarter, and Jace come in against control, especially the mirror.
-A second batterskull, and some cheaper removal, comes in against aggro.
-Distress comes in against planeswalker or enchantment problems.
-Spellskite comes in against aggro and ramp.
-Tribute to Hunger comes in against hexproof.
:symu::symw:Destiny Aggro
:symu::symw:Control
:symu::symu:Mono Blue Fish
:symr::symb:Vampires
4x drowned catacomb
4x darkslick shore
2x ghost quarter
3x Inkmoth Nexus
8x island
6x swamp
Creatures (10)
4x snapcaster mage
3x Consecrated Sphinx
2x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Batterskull
2x black sun's zenith
3x ponder
3x dismember
2x doom blade
4x mana leak
2x dissipate
4x Despise
2x Negate
1x Psychic Barrier
2x Distress
2x Surgical Extraction
3x Ratchet Bomb
1x Dissipate
1x Bloodgift Demon
3x Phantasmal Image
2x Spellskite
1x Go For The Throat
This is still a theory deck, but in my head it should dominate the field.
Cards that are a problem for the deck:
Thrun, the Last Troll
I figure he is the worst threat your opponents can play, as only 1 card in the deck can kill him, and it requires you to tap 6 mana. RDW seems like an impossible matchup, but I would almost just give it up to keep my deck as good as it is against everything else.
3 Nephalia Drownyard
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
7 Island
4 Swamp
Card Draw - 4
4 Think Twice
4 Doom Blade
4 Go for the Throat
Mass Removal - 4
4 Black Sun's Zenith
Counterspells - 18
4 Mana Leak
4 Dissipate
3 Cancel
3 Stoic Rebuttal
4 Negate
2 Volition Reigns
2 Steel Sabotage
3 Mental Misstep
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Flashfreeze
2 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Elixir of Immortality