AsianInvasion AKA Crazy Tom has been kicked out of Dragon Army. Before anyone asks, town names will be blue and scum names will be red. It is now night. Your commander votes and actions are due in 72 hours, aka Thursday at 11:59 PM, or sooner if I get everyone's action in.
Crazy Tom
You are Crazy Tom. Ender is one of the few commanders you have ever respected and not caused trouble for. But seeing that Ender won’t always be your commander in this game, you wouldn’t be doing your duty if you didn’t test the other’s worth.
Ability: You cannot be targeted by Command Abilities. Any Command Abilities that target you will be roleblocked.
Command Ability: You may send me a player’s name at night. You will redirect any ability they use to target player other than themselves that you choose.
Last night TheIceMan AKA Dumper was kicked out of Dragon Army last night.
Dumper
You are Dumper, toon leader of Dragon Army. Out of everyone you are the most worshipful and loyal to Ender and truly grasp his greatness. But if this game is meant to make him even greater, then you will loyally play your role.
Ability: You have no ability if you aren’t in command.
Command Ability: You will be mod confirmed town at the beginning of the day.
Art, good morning! Would you like to explain the little interlude starting at post 529 and ending with yesterday's lynch? Please provide details regarding your thought process and frame of mind as you decided to deliberately send the game into overtime only to vote AI anyway.
TIM should've pushed a little harder to become commander with that ability. Oh well.
Art, good morning! Would you like to explain the little interlude starting at post 529 and ending with yesterday's lynch? Please provide details regarding your thought process and frame of mind as you decided to deliberately send the game into overtime only to vote AI anyway.
TIM should've pushed a little harder to become commander with that ability. Oh well.
I'm waiting to see what a couple of other people say to start this day, and then I'll answer your question more fully.
Suffice it to say I did not like the texture of what had happened leading up to the deadline. It forced me to rethink the game, plugging in new names. It had been bugging me that I couldn't decern AI's teammates. I assumed you might be one of them TBH.
For the rest, you'll have to wait. Sorry.
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@TIM you are asking me the same thing you criticized Art for. What voting for him would accomplish right now? The only one that is voting for him is you atm...
Town is undecided between AI and PF right now, please you vote one of them to solve this dilemma before deadline, voting on Art right now is actually choosing to lynch AI instead. Please stop focusing on him, is not like there's a one-man scumteam out there. What do you think about AI and PF?
We can always deal with Artifice tomorrow i assure you
@AI can you claim please? current majority agrees with your lynch and looks like the only way to dissuade them at this point is to claim, please do not die unclaimed if you are town.
@everyone can you vote on PF? between him and AI I'm much more confortable with him hanging, if he flips town on worst case we lose a non-entity, if AI dies and flips town on worst case we lose the biggest poster and a strong player overall.
Vote: Drey
Fear mongering, pushing for a lurker near the deadline, TIM turning up dead (weak but a point against nonetheless).
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I disagree with you there.
IMO, This post from Drey is townie.
Fearmongering isn't that much of a scum tell, I've actually almost never seen it coming from a scum.
His opinion about Pinkfloyd is absolutely understandable. By experience, I know that townies are often willing to act very close to the deadline.
This Week-End I have plenty of friends coming (We're partying and playing IRL Mafia.) so don't worry if I'm not at top activity.
I'm revising my opinion of Nai. I'm not really confident about him (her?) and I actually realize that the very long posts are quite ambiguous and not really helpful, paradoxically.
More when time comes.
Right now, I think the lynch is between AI and Art.
I can't safely vote AI right now, the scum would be able to quicklynch him. And yes, I know he's currently L-3. Right now, with all I've seen throughout the game, I think he's the best lynch. Between the unwillingness to actually play the game and scumhunt, his trick questions, the constant attitude (which feels like a tell to me), flavor-gaming without actually knowing the flavor? All of it feels like scum trying to use experience to excuse his own actions. Several times he's quoted said experience.
His unwillingness to vote on a townie wagon because the scum will quick lynch at L-2. LOL!
Art is my second choice. His attack on AI, while I agree with it, feels incredibly opportunistic. It also doesn't feel well put together, and the way it's done, it feels more like scum having trouble thinking like a townie to put a case together. The confirmation bias is incredible, and his reactions to being called on it are also not feeling townie. That said, this isn't enough in my eyes to put him for a lynch. He's acted scummy, but simply not enough for an actual first-choice lynch.
What is this I don't even.
I agree with it, BUT its pretty bad. Nice try Nai.
I think I'm okay with the anti-AI sentiment here, but I don't like how this was put. There's no content or case behind it. Just further 'anti-this-person' that we've been seeing all game.
Agree but disagree.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Agreeing with someone he finds scummy. I don't even know.
Just not pro-town vibes.
Thinks Zind is scummy
Interesting to note. The town seems divided on this subject, which I find odd.
Thinks Ice man could be
Fence sitting is bad. Don't do it.
Also flew
Thank you, someone picks up the thread.
Likes Infinis
Why such interest in me?
Trying to distance from DRey and he doesn't like him.
Actual response to my PBPA. Good stuff. Already went over this, moving on.
Likes Sepiriel
So lets see. Who Nai finds scummy:
Me
Art
AI
Zind
Ice Man
Flew
DRey
Let's go back for a minute, Pink, and see what you're actually picking apart, yes?
I was missing for close to a month. I decided to PBPA the entire thread in order to A.) find out what was going on, B.) discover who's been the major players, C.) find potential scum, and D.) Decide who to vote.
So yes, in the course of PBPAing 400 posts, I did call out scummy behavior on just about the entire game. I notice you didn't comment on me saying it about Kpaca. I think I also commented negatively on TIM and GD, too.
This should be rather obvious. After all, I outright said what I was doing. And while I commented negatively on what people did (and positively on others), I never gave a scumlist. Or a townlist. I didn't specifically say anyone was town or scum. I showed where they did something that feels pro-town or anti-town, but I didn't say they were scum.
As for AI? If I had voted him, he would have been at L-1. That's quicklynch territory on someone who hadn't claimed. Yes, you can go back and show that he was at L-3 before I could have voted. Yesterday, if I had voted him, he would have been at L-1.
Was there more to this case? You 'want me gone', and you voted me. But your case seems entirely pinned on the fact that I showed suspicion in multiple people while PBPAing over 400 posts, and that I didn't vote someone.
Let's go back for a minute, Pink, and see what you're actually picking apart, yes?
I was missing for close to a month. I decided to PBPA the entire thread in order to A.) find out what was going on, B.) discover who's been the major players, C.) find potential scum, and D.) Decide who to vote.
So yes, in the course of PBPAing 400 posts, I did call out scummy behavior on just about the entire game. I notice you didn't comment on me saying it about Kpaca. I think I also commented negatively on TIM and GD, too.
I must have missed those 2..
Well why are those one you specifically said are townie, townie?
Do you mind doing a T/S list right now?(considering you have lurked a majority of the game)
As for AI? If I had voted him, he would have been at L-1. That's quicklynch territory on someone who hadn't claimed. Yes, you can go back and show that he was at L-3 before I could have voted. Yesterday, if I had voted him, he would have been at L-1.
No.
In your original quotes about it you are saying that he is at L-3 (he was) and you want to vote but don't want to risk a scum quickhammer. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT L-2, NO QUICK HAMMERS UP IN HERE.
Was there more to this case? You 'want me gone', and you voted me. But your case seems entirely pinned on the fact that I showed suspicion in multiple people while PBPAing over 400 posts, and that I didn't vote someone.
Not that you specifically think certain people are town and certain people are scum. A large portion seem to be scum. Also, you were scared to vote because you knew AI was a townie.
Likes Sepiriel
So lets see. Who Nai finds scummy:
Me
Art
AI
Zind
Ice Man
Flew
DRey
BUT Infinis is town. Along with Sepiriel.
WHO KNEW MINI'S HAD 7 SCUM?
This is, by far, one of the worst trains of thought I've seen for a case. He didn't actually call anyone scum or town (as shown by his lack of lists), but you saying his pointing out scummy and townie actions is, in itself, scummy?
He put more content into the game with any one of those 5 posts than you have with all of yours combined and multiplied. Completely unprompted.
You're lucky AI & Art thrust themselves into the spotlight over you yesterday.
Pink. Listen to what I am saying and stop arguing.
Yesterday, specifically (as in, not today), if I had voted AI, that would have put him at L-2.
Apparently, I know something you don't. Take the hint.
And can you point to where I specifically say someone is 'town'? Not 'acting townie'. Not 'acting pro-town'. Specifically, 'town'.
And can you point to where I specifically say someone is 'scum'? Not 'acting scummy', not 'acting anti-town'. Specifically, 'scum'.
If I don't say someone is town or scum, I'm not specifically saying someone is town or scum. There is no 'reading between the lines' here.
During the course of this game, just about everyone has made an anti-town post. Or something that isn't particularly 'town'. I'm not pointing them out to call them scum. I'm pointing it out so others don't miss it. I'm pointing it out so that, if they turn out MORE scummy, it's easier to find the evidence later. I'm doing it so that we have a written track record of what people do, and my interpretations thereof.
As for me lurking? PF, go READ my posts instead of making stuff up. As soon as I returned, I made it clear that I had work and family issues that caused me to be unable to post. As soon as I returned, I PBPA'd the ENTIRE game. And have been active ever since. I've provided content, questioned people, and continued to act ever since I"ve returned.
It seems like you're throwing things at me to see exactly what sticks.
As for a town/scum list?
Town:
GD - Breadcrumbing, general commentary
Sep - General commentary
Scum:
Art - Quick-hammering to end day 1 after sitting and doing nothing for quite some time when HE was on the block, the way his PBPA was formed, general activity.
That's all I have. The rest is sitting neutral. I try to find one scum at a time, and then find connections from there.
Yesterday, specifically (as in, not today), if I had voted AI, that would have put him at L-2.
Yes that is what I'm saying that wouldn't have been a quick hammer
Apparently, I know something you don't. Take the hint.
You are scum? I know that!
And can you point to where I specifically say someone is 'town'? Not 'acting townie'. Not 'acting pro-town'. Specifically, 'town'.
And can you point to where I specifically say someone is 'scum'? Not 'acting scummy', not 'acting anti-town'. Specifically, 'scum'.
Did you not read what I posted?
If I don't say someone is town or scum, I'm not specifically saying someone is town or scum. There is no 'reading between the lines' here.
I think there has to be to figure a person out.
As for me lurking? PF, go READ my posts instead of making stuff up. As soon as I returned, I made it clear that I had work and family issues that caused me to be unable to post. As soon as I returned, I PBPA'd the ENTIRE game. And have been active ever since. I've provided content, questioned people, and continued to act ever since I"ve returned.
I wasn't saying you had no reason. Its still considered lurking no?
Town:
GD - Breadcrumbing, general commentary
Sep - General commentary
Scum:
Art - Quick-hammering to end day 1 after sitting and doing nothing for quite some time when HE was on the block, the way his PBPA was formed, general activity.
That's all I have. The rest is sitting neutral. I try to find one scum at a time, and then find connections from there.
Yes that is what I'm saying that wouldn't have been a quick hammer
Gah. I need to reread my posts.
Specifically: If I had voted him, it would have put him at L-1. Not L-2. That's what I'm trying to say. I have information you do not, and that's ALSO what I"m trying to say.
You are scum? I know that!
Perhaps you need to read better.
And you aren't AI. Or Kpaca. From them, this type of statement is cute, if trying. From you? It makes it sounds like you're trying too hard.
Did you not read what I posted?
I read. You're putting words in my mouth.
I think there has to be to figure a person out.
There's 'reading between the lines', and then there's 'making stuff up'.
I did not call anyone scum. Just scummy. There's a distinct difference.
I wasn't saying you had no reason. Its still considered lurking no?
No, actually, it isn't.
Someone being absent is that. Absent.
Someone lurking is actively reading the thread but not contributing.
Breadcrumbing is town?
Have you read what he's actually breadcrumbing?
It isn't the breadcrumbing. It's WHAT he's breadcrumbing.
Specifically: If I had voted him, it would have put him at L-1. Not L-2. That's what I'm trying to say. I have information you do not, and that's ALSO what I"m trying to say.
No it wouldn't have. He would have been at L-2 if you had voted in that post. Maybe I have information you do not have?
And you aren't AI. Or Kpaca. From them, this type of statement is cute, if trying. From you? It makes it sounds like you're trying too hard.
As for AI? If I had voted him, he would have been at L-1. That's quicklynch territory on someone who hadn't claimed. Yes, you can go back and show that he was at L-3 before I could have voted. Yesterday, if I had voted him, he would have been at L-1.
In your original quotes about it you are saying that he is at L-3 (he was) and you want to vote but don't want to risk a scum quickhammer. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT L-2, NO QUICK HAMMERS UP IN HERE.
Wadsworth: The game's up, Scarlet. There are no more bullets left in that gun.
Miss Scarlet: Oh, come on, you don't think I'm gonna fall for that old trick? Wadsworth: It's not a trick. There was one shot at Mr. Boddy in the Study; two for the chandelier; two at the Lounge door and one for the singing telegram.
Miss Scarlet: That's not six. Wadsworth: One plus two plus two plus one.
Miss Scarlet: Uh-uh, there was only one shot that got the chandelier. That's one plus two plus *one* plus one. Wadsworth: Even if you were right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus *two* plus one plus one.
Miss Scarlet: Okay, fine. One plus two plus one... Shut up! The point is, there is one bullet left in this gun and guess who's gonna get it!
Tell me if this conversation doesn't sound similar.
@Nai: to sum up what he's saying, PF is right. You haven't made a stand on squat. Why? That fence must be miiiighty warm.
And for my reference, you didn't cast a single vote yesterday for why exactly...? Checking in here, seeing if I'm seeing what thinking I'm seeing.
And would that be why you haven't voted me yet, even though I'm the only one listed as scum on your T/S list?
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By the time I was back and ready to vote, there were two wagons. AI, and you. AI was the one I thought was the most scummy, so I watched him. Problem was, he was too close to lynch by the time I saw him, so I couldn't vote. Doing so would put him in quicklynch range while he still needed to claim.
As for not making a stand, there hasn't been much I"ve had time to make a stand ON. When I arrived in the game, the only thing remaining was to choose a lynch. And, as I said, I wasn't safe to actually make that vote. Then day 2 started and I was immediately attacked by PF with a 'case' that doesn't even deserve the title.
As for you? The only reason I haven't voted you is that I'm not convinced that you're scum. If it comes to me naming three people that are scum in this game, you'll be on the list. But, unfortunately, there are just enough excuse that you could have for being THIS scummy that I find myself looking elsewhere.
hmm wait Nai i want to make something clear, the hesitation voer voting yesterday, was it brought about because you where commander? or is this some hesitation you always have to be wary of?
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By the time I was back and ready to vote, there were two wagons. AI, and you. AI was the one I thought was the most scummy, so I watched him. Problem was, he was too close to lynch by the time I saw him, so I couldn't vote. Doing so would put him in quicklynch range while he still needed to claim.
Ok, research time.
As for not making a stand, there hasn't been much I"ve had time to make a stand ON.
There's been plenty to take a stand on:
-The Commander votes
-The vig question (part of the above, but whatever)
-Whether you want to remain (return to being) Commander
-Who's scum, and why
-DRey's mass claim suggestion/gan_dan's partial claim suggestion
-The low overall post count and speed of this game (made obvious by the "tie")
When I arrived in the game, the only thing remaining was to choose a lynch. And, as I said, I wasn't safe to actually make that vote.
Hmph. Noted. I think.
Then day 2 started and I was immediately attacked by PF with a 'case' that doesn't even deserve the title.
Why?
As for you? The only reason I haven't voted you is that I'm not convinced that you're scum. If it comes to me naming three people that are scum in this game, you'll be on the list.
Good times. This sounds familiar (If I tell you from where, I have to kill you.)
But, unfortunately, there are just enough excuse that you could have for being THIS scummy that I find myself looking elsewhere.
Define "this scummy". Break that down for me.
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hmm wait Nai i want to make something clear, the hesitation voer voting yesterday, was it brought about because you where commander? or is this some hesitation you always have to be wary of?
ASAP, since tehres something i want to try involving Art, 5 chickens, a Llama and 5 kilos of macrame.
It may not be legal but i assure you guys it'll be awesome!
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
@Nai: When you get back online please answer this:
ASAP, since tehres something i want to try involving Art, 5 chickens, a Llama and 5 kilos of macrame.
It may not be legal but i assure you guys it'll be awesome!
Uh... wat?
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After this particular description, what with the, uh... weird "ingredients"... I'm supposed to be comfortable with this?
Is this revenge for all the tunnelvision?
All will be revealed in time, now please sign this waiver clearing me from all legal ramifications including, but not limited to, injury, dismemberment and/or death.
If you also sign this waiver saying you are willingly donating your remains to the Chthulu foundation for happy children i would deeply appreciate it
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Oreo, Glazing people better than Dunkin' Donuts since 2009
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
@PK why did you disappear at end of D1? you said somewhere you believed on AI why didn't you vote on Artifice? Also I don't remember you talking anything about Nai yesterday, why the sudden push? Also town/scum list please.
@kpaca care to play?
@infinis yesterday i remember you breadcrumbing about some scummy posts (at the most innoportune momments :sweat:), you still haven't openly talked about it, care to reveal?
@gdan I was sure both you and AI were masons (I even noticed some breadcrumbs from both of you...), why did you buddied so much with him?
@artifice anything to report?
@Nai I see you are breadcrumbing to be a double voter, please demonstrate now, also why didn't you vote anyone yesterday? you said you were afraid to put AI on L-1 because you were afraid of sudden hammers, why didn't you put Artifice on L-2 instead? at least we would have a claim.
@guardman please do a votecount after Nai votes, thanks in advance.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I'm gonna sleep soon, so that's probably my last post before the deadline, parting thoughts if I'm NKed tonight.
a)Kpaca and PF are probably scumbuddies, they are obviously giving a damn about town atm, they just don't care who is lynched s long as it's not PF.
b)Infinis has just jumped on my scumdar, making puzzles for us now? really?! great way to help us achieve nothing man. Scumteam is probably between kpaca, infinis, PF and Flew.
b)I'm not that sure anymore Artifice is scum, he's making some good points, considering the lack of interest between large portion of "town" it's likely both Artifice and AI are town.
c)anyway, it's clear todays lynch will be one of AI or Art so let me unvote
d)While Artifice has some chance of being town, he's still more scummy than AI, so I will vote him while it can make a difference. vote Artifice
If you are still here Artifice and is some strong power role claim so I can unvote if necessary. I will wait for some time before going to sleep.
@Cop: investigate the survivor between AI or Artifice
@Doc: protect me
@everyone vote either me, zinda or nai for commander today.
I cited the first already and then this post. LAL rly? You are beyond playing the n00b card at this point in your Mafia career.
Second the fishing expedition here. Art has played awhile, and he'd claim without this fish from you.
Now it's time to reveal who we voted. The commander doesnt have to reveal if they used an ability or not (especially if they didnt get any relevant) but we should now who got voted in as commander.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Now it's time to reveal who we voted. The commander doesnt have to reveal if they used an ability or not (especially if they didnt get any relevant) but we should now who got voted in as commander.
hmmm you do know the bottom part of the opening day post states DRey is the commander for today right?
I have a question for DRey but i am not sure it is something to ask today... sigh moments like this show my utter lack of growth as a player....
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I would think we're in "sudden death" overtime. If you were to "unvote" that would do it
But yeah, I'll be waiting to see how this plays out. The only reason to keep me over you that I can see is my role combos better.
Augh, this sucks.
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2. Artifice 101 (2) - Bean: Town
3. Nai (0) - Ender Wiggin: Town
4. DRey (1) - Dink Meeker: Town
5. Sepiriel (1) - Carn Carby: Town
6. AsianInvasion (0) - Crazy Tom: Town
7. zindabad (1) - Hot Soup: Meh
8. Flew (0) - Shen: Meh
9. pinkfloyd (2) - Fly Molo: Scummy
10. ganderin_dan (0) - Alai: Town
11. TheIceMan (0) - Dumper: Town
12. kpaca (1) - Petra Arkanian: Meh
The game can't be that simple...can it?
All my associations are on their ear. This is why this game has been bugging me. I couldn't pick out your team for sure. #toughgameistough
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Wake me up if I die in my sleep. :sleep:
Gan_Dan, when did you go "invisible"?
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Mafia Theory proven?
AI, did we get double duped?
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What?
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Yeah I'm revising and rethinking over Night.
Vote AsianI
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Vote Count:
AI (5): Sep, Infinis, Flew, DRey, Artifice
Artifice (4): Zind, Gand, AI, TheIceMan
Infinis (1): Pink
AsianInvasion AKA Crazy Tom has been kicked out of Dragon Army. Before anyone asks, town names will be blue and scum names will be red. It is now night. Your commander votes and actions are due in 72 hours, aka Thursday at 11:59 PM, or sooner if I get everyone's action in.
With 10 alive it is 6 to lynch.
DRey is Dragon Army's commander today.
Vote Nai
LOL
In case it's not perfectly clear: I am now in invisible mode for Cyan's Impossible Mafia, as a requisite to play.
Agreed.
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LOL
Still true.
LOL
Art, good morning! Would you like to explain the little interlude starting at post 529 and ending with yesterday's lynch? Please provide details regarding your thought process and frame of mind as you decided to deliberately send the game into overtime only to vote AI anyway.
TIM should've pushed a little harder to become commander with that ability. Oh well.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I'm waiting to see what a couple of other people say to start this day, and then I'll answer your question more fully.
Suffice it to say I did not like the texture of what had happened leading up to the deadline. It forced me to rethink the game, plugging in new names. It had been bugging me that I couldn't decern AI's teammates. I assumed you might be one of them TBH.
For the rest, you'll have to wait. Sorry.
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Vote: Drey
Fear mongering, pushing for a lurker near the deadline, TIM turning up dead (weak but a point against nonetheless).
12-11? I'm losing track
IMO, This post from Drey is townie.
Fearmongering isn't that much of a scum tell, I've actually almost never seen it coming from a scum.
His opinion about Pinkfloyd is absolutely understandable. By experience, I know that townies are often willing to act very close to the deadline.
This Week-End I have plenty of friends coming (We're partying and playing IRL Mafia.) so don't worry if I'm not at top activity.
I'm revising my opinion of Nai. I'm not really confident about him (her?) and I actually realize that the very long posts are quite ambiguous and not really helpful, paradoxically.
More when time comes.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
Reason?
His unwillingness to vote on a townie wagon because the scum will quick lynch at L-2. LOL!
What is this I don't even.
I agree with it, BUT its pretty bad. Nice try Nai.
Agree but disagree.
Agreeing with someone he finds scummy. I don't even know.
Thinks Zind is scummy
Thinks Ice man could be
Also flew
Likes Infinis
Trying to distance from DRey and he doesn't like him.
Likes Sepiriel
So lets see. Who Nai finds scummy:
Me
Art
AI
Zind
Ice Man
Flew
DRey
BUT Infinis is town. Along with Sepiriel.
WHO KNEW MINI'S HAD 7 SCUM?
LOL
Let's go back for a minute, Pink, and see what you're actually picking apart, yes?
I was missing for close to a month. I decided to PBPA the entire thread in order to A.) find out what was going on, B.) discover who's been the major players, C.) find potential scum, and D.) Decide who to vote.
So yes, in the course of PBPAing 400 posts, I did call out scummy behavior on just about the entire game. I notice you didn't comment on me saying it about Kpaca. I think I also commented negatively on TIM and GD, too.
This should be rather obvious. After all, I outright said what I was doing. And while I commented negatively on what people did (and positively on others), I never gave a scumlist. Or a townlist. I didn't specifically say anyone was town or scum. I showed where they did something that feels pro-town or anti-town, but I didn't say they were scum.
As for AI? If I had voted him, he would have been at L-1. That's quicklynch territory on someone who hadn't claimed. Yes, you can go back and show that he was at L-3 before I could have voted. Yesterday, if I had voted him, he would have been at L-1.
Was there more to this case? You 'want me gone', and you voted me. But your case seems entirely pinned on the fact that I showed suspicion in multiple people while PBPAing over 400 posts, and that I didn't vote someone.
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I must have missed those 2..
Well why are those one you specifically said are townie, townie?
Do you mind doing a T/S list right now?(considering you have lurked a majority of the game)
No.
In your original quotes about it you are saying that he is at L-3 (he was) and you want to vote but don't want to risk a scum quickhammer. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT L-2, NO QUICK HAMMERS UP IN HERE.
Not that you specifically think certain people are town and certain people are scum. A large portion seem to be scum. Also, you were scared to vote because you knew AI was a townie.
LOL
This is, by far, one of the worst trains of thought I've seen for a case. He didn't actually call anyone scum or town (as shown by his lack of lists), but you saying his pointing out scummy and townie actions is, in itself, scummy?
He put more content into the game with any one of those 5 posts than you have with all of yours combined and multiplied. Completely unprompted.
You're lucky AI & Art thrust themselves into the spotlight over you yesterday.
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Pot, kettle, etc.
Since when have I lurked?
LOL
Yesterday, specifically (as in, not today), if I had voted AI, that would have put him at L-2.
Apparently, I know something you don't. Take the hint.
And can you point to where I specifically say someone is 'town'? Not 'acting townie'. Not 'acting pro-town'. Specifically, 'town'.
And can you point to where I specifically say someone is 'scum'? Not 'acting scummy', not 'acting anti-town'. Specifically, 'scum'.
If I don't say someone is town or scum, I'm not specifically saying someone is town or scum. There is no 'reading between the lines' here.
During the course of this game, just about everyone has made an anti-town post. Or something that isn't particularly 'town'. I'm not pointing them out to call them scum. I'm pointing it out so others don't miss it. I'm pointing it out so that, if they turn out MORE scummy, it's easier to find the evidence later. I'm doing it so that we have a written track record of what people do, and my interpretations thereof.
As for me lurking? PF, go READ my posts instead of making stuff up. As soon as I returned, I made it clear that I had work and family issues that caused me to be unable to post. As soon as I returned, I PBPA'd the ENTIRE game. And have been active ever since. I've provided content, questioned people, and continued to act ever since I"ve returned.
It seems like you're throwing things at me to see exactly what sticks.
As for a town/scum list?
Town:
GD - Breadcrumbing, general commentary
Sep - General commentary
Scum:
Art - Quick-hammering to end day 1 after sitting and doing nothing for quite some time when HE was on the block, the way his PBPA was formed, general activity.
That's all I have. The rest is sitting neutral. I try to find one scum at a time, and then find connections from there.
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Yes that is what I'm saying that wouldn't have been a quick hammer
You are scum? I know that!
Did you not read what I posted?
I think there has to be to figure a person out.
I wasn't saying you had no reason. Its still considered lurking no?
Breadcrumbing is town?
LOL
Gah. I need to reread my posts.
Specifically: If I had voted him, it would have put him at L-1. Not L-2. That's what I'm trying to say. I have information you do not, and that's ALSO what I"m trying to say.
Perhaps you need to read better.
And you aren't AI. Or Kpaca. From them, this type of statement is cute, if trying. From you? It makes it sounds like you're trying too hard.
I read. You're putting words in my mouth.
There's 'reading between the lines', and then there's 'making stuff up'.
I did not call anyone scum. Just scummy. There's a distinct difference.
No, actually, it isn't.
Someone being absent is that. Absent.
Someone lurking is actively reading the thread but not contributing.
Have you read what he's actually breadcrumbing?
It isn't the breadcrumbing. It's WHAT he's breadcrumbing.
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No it wouldn't have. He would have been at L-2 if you had voted in that post. Maybe I have information you do not have?
haha just you wait.
I directly quoted what you posted.
LOL
Might want to find THAT quote.
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Um... Anyone like Clue (the 1985 spoof mystery film based on the Hasbro board game of the same title)?
If you don't have it memorized (like I do, basically), watch this:
http://movieclips.com/92CV-clue-movie-one-plus-two-plus-two-plus-one/
Miss Scarlet: Oh, come on, you don't think I'm gonna fall for that old trick?
Wadsworth: It's not a trick. There was one shot at Mr. Boddy in the Study; two for the chandelier; two at the Lounge door and one for the singing telegram.
Miss Scarlet: That's not six.
Wadsworth: One plus two plus two plus one.
Miss Scarlet: Uh-uh, there was only one shot that got the chandelier. That's one plus two plus *one* plus one.
Wadsworth: Even if you were right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus *two* plus one plus one.
Miss Scarlet: Okay, fine. One plus two plus one... Shut up! The point is, there is one bullet left in this gun and guess who's gonna get it!
Tell me if this conversation doesn't sound similar.
@Nai: to sum up what he's saying, PF is right. You haven't made a stand on squat. Why? That fence must be miiiighty warm.
And for my reference, you didn't cast a single vote yesterday for why exactly...? Checking in here, seeing if I'm seeing what thinking I'm seeing.
And would that be why you haven't voted me yet, even though I'm the only one listed as scum on your T/S list?
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By the time I was back and ready to vote, there were two wagons. AI, and you. AI was the one I thought was the most scummy, so I watched him. Problem was, he was too close to lynch by the time I saw him, so I couldn't vote. Doing so would put him in quicklynch range while he still needed to claim.
As for not making a stand, there hasn't been much I"ve had time to make a stand ON. When I arrived in the game, the only thing remaining was to choose a lynch. And, as I said, I wasn't safe to actually make that vote. Then day 2 started and I was immediately attacked by PF with a 'case' that doesn't even deserve the title.
As for you? The only reason I haven't voted you is that I'm not convinced that you're scum. If it comes to me naming three people that are scum in this game, you'll be on the list. But, unfortunately, there are just enough excuse that you could have for being THIS scummy that I find myself looking elsewhere.
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There's been plenty to take a stand on:
-The Commander votes
-The vig question (part of the above, but whatever)
-Whether you want to remain (return to being) Commander
-Who's scum, and why
-DRey's mass claim suggestion/gan_dan's partial claim suggestion
-The low overall post count and speed of this game (made obvious by the "tie")
Hmph. Noted. I think.
Why?
Good times. This sounds familiar (If I tell you from where, I have to kill you.)
Define "this scummy". Break that down for me.
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ASAP, since tehres something i want to try involving Art, 5 chickens, a Llama and 5 kilos of macrame.
It may not be legal but i assure you guys it'll be awesome!
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Nope no sneak peeks until i get my answers.
Is this revenge for all the tunnelvision?
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All will be revealed in time, now please sign this waiver clearing me from all legal ramifications including, but not limited to, injury, dismemberment and/or death.
If you also sign this waiver saying you are willingly donating your remains to the Chthulu foundation for happy children i would deeply appreciate it
Is... this... real life?
@PK why did you disappear at end of D1? you said somewhere you believed on AI why didn't you vote on Artifice? Also I don't remember you talking anything about Nai yesterday, why the sudden push? Also town/scum list please.
@kpaca care to play?
@infinis yesterday i remember you breadcrumbing about some scummy posts (at the most innoportune momments :sweat:), you still haven't openly talked about it, care to reveal?
@gdan I was sure both you and AI were masons (I even noticed some breadcrumbs from both of you...), why did you buddied so much with him?
@artifice anything to report?
@Nai I see you are breadcrumbing to be a double voter, please demonstrate now, also why didn't you vote anyone yesterday? you said you were afraid to put AI on L-1 because you were afraid of sudden hammers, why didn't you put Artifice on L-2 instead? at least we would have a claim.
@guardman please do a votecount after Nai votes, thanks in advance.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
I cited the first already and then this post. LAL rly? You are beyond playing the n00b card at this point in your Mafia career.
Second the fishing expedition here. Art has played awhile, and he'd claim without this fish from you.
Now it's time to reveal who we voted. The commander doesnt have to reveal if they used an ability or not (especially if they didnt get any relevant) but we should now who got voted in as commander.
12-11? I'm losing track
hmmm you do know the bottom part of the opening day post states DRey is the commander for today right?
I have a question for DRey but i am not sure it is something to ask today... sigh moments like this show my utter lack of growth as a player....