I'd say so, yeah. See if you can get them for around $3-5.
Is it possible for them to go lower?
Well if you consider that the ally lands all stayed around the $3-5 range until they were reprinted, I'd say $3-5 is the perfect time to pick them up. I don't see these being reprinted as WOTC likes to keep enemy colors lands "special," but the only thing that might bring them LOWER is the ammount that this set will be opened over the next 10 months. Even then, they'll be usable in tournament play so people aren't as willing to trade them off.
In summation.....Star Trek wins a prolonged naval battle against superior, yet less technologically advanced, numbers, with Picard leading the assault, while Kirk takes your soul by laying out Solo and probably his manservant Chewy as well, before impregnating and ditching your Princess.
Not really, the best case scenario is probably something like:
- it gains in popularity over the next couple years in both Standard and older formats
- they don't reprint it
$20 and up would be no problem. But realistically I think that even though they probably won't reprint them, they'll only be moderately popular, and won't go over $10 anytime in the next few years.
If you want them for a deck, this is probably the best time to get them. If you're looking to speculate, they're a bit more iffy.
How come everyone is saying that it'll probably won't get reprinted?
I had assumed that it was gonna eventually get reprinted in the next core set or so. Basing this on nothing other than that they kinda complete the cycle of M10 dual lands...so I could be completely wrong. I kinda just assumed it would. lol
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
When something is format-warping (or is, potentially), they tend not to want to reprint it, obviously. Which is why most don't believe in a reprint in a next core set anytime soon.
I wouldn't buy SCM just yet, especially if you don't need them now. Make no mistake, it *will* be down to 15$ at some point, and I don't think it's going to take years.
Not really, the best case scenario is probably something like:
- it gains in popularity over the next couple years in both Standard and older formats
- they don't reprint it
$20 and up would be no problem. But realistically I think that even though they probably won't reprint them, they'll only be moderately popular, and won't go over $10 anytime in the next few years.
If you want them for a deck, this is probably the best time to get them. If you're looking to speculate, they're a bit more iffy.
Up front -- now is a great time to get Enemy M10 lands, as lands tend to gain value once they're out of print the easiest (just ask Scars duals), and everyone is dumping their copies now because enemy color decks don't make up a significant portion of Standard and there's a glut of them being opened, not to mention the coming MODO redemptions.
However, $20 and up? M10 duals, during their heyday in Standard at first printing in a core set that was drafted only over the course of the summer and during a product shortage didn't hit that high. Fetchlands, cards immediately playable in all formats they were legal in, didn't stay over $20 beyond presale, and didn't hit more than $12 while they were Standard legal, and are all still under $20.
In older formats (but let's not mix words here, the only value-relevant formats essentially are Modern and older), there are Dual lands and Ravnica or actual dual lands. Or Filter lands.
I think your guesstimate of up-to-and-around $10, going from M13 and forward, is the best bet. Acquiring them for sub-$5 and waiting until M13 or Hook to see if they pay off is your best bet. The current low for them is around $2, and "investing" $2 in rare, first-print non-basic lands is incredibly safe.
Don't be sucked into the "he'll have the same price pattern over time as Dark Confident did, because he's 2/1 and a rare" line of thinking. Spectral Lynx, Joiner Adept, and others didn't follow that pattern. I think Snapcaster is better than they are, I'm just saying it isn't destined for greatness just because it's 2/1 and rare.
Are you kidding? A 2/1 creature in a relevant creature type plus an additional awesome and useful ability for two mana is great in blue. Snapcaster will stay above $12 even following the infatuated boom with it. I say $14 will be its bottom.
Blue rarely gets aggressively-costed creatures along those lines. When it does they tend to be really high dollar-wise.
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Are you kidding? A 2/1 creature in a relevant creature type plus an additional awesome and useful ability for two mana is great in blue. Snapcaster will stay above $12 even following the infatuated boom with it. I say $14 will be its bottom.
Blue rarely gets aggressively-costed creatures along those lines. When it does they tend to be really high dollar-wise.
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I would do you one better and say that it goes to Confidant/Clique levels post-rotation, but that would not likely be for at least a year after its rotation (or more, compensating for people selling off additional copies from Standard, and also assuming it doesn't get b& [a very real proposition, given how ban-happy WOTC has been in eternal formats lately and the kind of discussion/s it's been fostering since seeing print]).
Snapcaster Mage has outperformed hype, at least in non-Standard formats (although it is really awesome in Standard in the "only" control deck of the format [lumping Solar Flare and UB together]). People claiming he's full of hype, that he's just a bubble that will burst, etc, haven't actually played with it, nor have they been paying attention to results from Legacy events.
It would be awesome, in my opinion, if his price dropped below $15 while he's standard-legal, but we've seen that Snapcaster Mage has exceeded any expectations previously had of him two months out, so any predictions you make are essentially lucky guesses at this point, as his value is doing things that no post-Mythic rare has done since the introduction of Mythics to date.
I would do you one better and say that it goes to Confidant/Clique levels post-rotation, but that would not likely be for at least a year after its rotation (or more, compensating for people selling off additional copies from Standard, and also assuming it doesn't get b& [a very real proposition, given how ban-happy WOTC has been in eternal formats lately and the kind of discussion/s it's been fostering since seeing print]).
Snapcaster Mage has outperformed hype, at least in non-Standard formats (although it is really awesome in Standard in the "only" control deck of the format [lumping Solar Flare and UB together]). People claiming he's full of hype, that he's just a bubble that will burst, etc, haven't actually played with it, nor have they been paying attention to results from Legacy events.
It would be awesome, in my opinion, if his price dropped below $15 while he's standard-legal, but we've seen that Snapcaster Mage has exceeded any expectations previously had of him two months out, so any predictions you make are essentially lucky guesses at this point, as his value is doing things that no post-Mythic rare has done since the introduction of Mythics to date.
I agree with this but with one caveat. I think snapcaster is above clique level and maybe even above confidant level. Cards like that are the most at risk for the banhammer especially a card that will limit the quality of future soceries/instants during design.
I agree with this but with one caveat. I think snapcaster is above clique level and maybe even above confidant level. Cards like that are the most at risk for the banhammer especially a card that will limit the quality of future soceries/instants during design.
It certainly sees more play than Dark Confidant to greater successes in the limited time it's been legal. However, I also imagine that more copies of Snapcaster Mage will be available than were of Clique and Confidant, as Magic is in a boon period (assuming OP rules don't reverse the trend) likely greater than Ravnica and Morningtide. Also, each of the aforementioned older cards were "rarer" because they were printed before the addition of Mythic rares and decreases in set sizes. Snapcaster is also in a large expansion that will be opened for nine months, whereas Clique was only available in a small expansion that was followed-up with a large expansion removed from Morningtide's limited pool.
These factors inhibit it's price growth. If your implication was that it being above Confidant and Clique level means it's more likely to be banned, that would also limit price growth, particularly if it's banned in the Eternal markets.
That said, I think people are a bit ban-happy and quick to jump on anything that is newly introduced as a format staple as a candidate for banning, but my opinion about how liberal bans are applied now doesn't coincide with Wizards' plans for Legacy.
Just a quick point to make, whats going on with Olivia. The peeps I follow on twitter are raving about her at worlds...and she's now at $10 on CFB with 3 in stock. Anyone know whats going on?
How far do you think Olivia Voldaren will go? In the last hour all the one's off tcgplayer that were under $5 are gone and the ones on eBay are dissapearing.
It beats Illusions, Tokens, Humans et and can steal fatties. She's immune to doom blade, can outgrow dismember.
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Every major retailer online is sold, out, and Channel Fireball already has her at 20. Theres a big pop here, especially with how Chapin talked about how amazing she was to play.
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Insane. 15-20 bucks! I didn't think a 3 toughness black/red creature would do that well in the standard? Do people just not sideboard Celestial Purge? I thought Mirran Crusader would give her problems.
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Insane. 15-20 bucks! I didn't think a 3 toughness black/red creature would do that well in the standard? Do people just not sideboard Celestial Purge? I thought Mirran Crusader would give her problems.
She flies and is in a deck with Tribute to Hunger. If the only creature left on the board is Mirran Crusader, it doesn't matter.
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Incidentally, the only match Chapin dropped yesterday was against UW humans. But I agree that she doesn't feel particularly threatened by Mirran Crusader.
Yikes, what a difference and evening makes. I had them at $5 at the beginning of the day, upped them to $6, then $8, and now I wake up to see them at $15 O.o... Crazy. I doubt they will go up much more from here, but Ill be curious to see how my customers react to the change later today.
Incidentally, the only match Chapin dropped yesterday was against UW humans. But I agree that she doesn't feel particularly threatened by Mirran Crusader.
Chapin went 6-0. He only dropped 1 game, not a match.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
(Key: The card's most recent move is the rightmost one. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. The data is taken from here.)
Heartless Summoning and Reaper from the Abyss fell off the tally this update as they are both now worth less than the booster packs they come out of.
Liliana fell to $29, lower than even her initial price during presales. Garruk is close behind at $25, retaking second place from Snapcaster which fell to $24. Olivia Voldaren is the big news this update, tripling her price overnight! See above posts for more info on that. Geist finally moved off the #4 spot to #5. Stromkirk is cooling, Mikaeus also. All the dual lands settled just a bit more this update, to $3-5, with Isolated Chapel in the lead. Army of the Damned is holding value quite well, as is Bloodline Keeper. Red and black both did well this update. Another red card rising is Past in Flames.
Overall, sales for the set have slowed, and prices are drooping. That trend looks to continue with MTGO redemptions coming soon.
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
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Well if you consider that the ally lands all stayed around the $3-5 range until they were reprinted, I'd say $3-5 is the perfect time to pick them up. I don't see these being reprinted as WOTC likes to keep enemy colors lands "special," but the only thing that might bring them LOWER is the ammount that this set will be opened over the next 10 months. Even then, they'll be usable in tournament play so people aren't as willing to trade them off.
- it gains in popularity over the next couple years in both Standard and older formats
- they don't reprint it
$20 and up would be no problem. But realistically I think that even though they probably won't reprint them, they'll only be moderately popular, and won't go over $10 anytime in the next few years.
If you want them for a deck, this is probably the best time to get them. If you're looking to speculate, they're a bit more iffy.
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I had assumed that it was gonna eventually get reprinted in the next core set or so. Basing this on nothing other than that they kinda complete the cycle of M10 dual lands...so I could be completely wrong. I kinda just assumed it would. lol
I wouldn't buy SCM just yet, especially if you don't need them now. Make no mistake, it *will* be down to 15$ at some point, and I don't think it's going to take years.
Up front -- now is a great time to get Enemy M10 lands, as lands tend to gain value once they're out of print the easiest (just ask Scars duals), and everyone is dumping their copies now because enemy color decks don't make up a significant portion of Standard and there's a glut of them being opened, not to mention the coming MODO redemptions.
However, $20 and up? M10 duals, during their heyday in Standard at first printing in a core set that was drafted only over the course of the summer and during a product shortage didn't hit that high. Fetchlands, cards immediately playable in all formats they were legal in, didn't stay over $20 beyond presale, and didn't hit more than $12 while they were Standard legal, and are all still under $20.
In older formats (but let's not mix words here, the only value-relevant formats essentially are Modern and older), there are Dual lands and Ravnica or actual dual lands. Or Filter lands.
I think your guesstimate of up-to-and-around $10, going from M13 and forward, is the best bet. Acquiring them for sub-$5 and waiting until M13 or Hook to see if they pay off is your best bet. The current low for them is around $2, and "investing" $2 in rare, first-print non-basic lands is incredibly safe.
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Are you kidding? A 2/1 creature in a relevant creature type plus an additional awesome and useful ability for two mana is great in blue. Snapcaster will stay above $12 even following the infatuated boom with it. I say $14 will be its bottom.
Blue rarely gets aggressively-costed creatures along those lines. When it does they tend to be really high dollar-wise.
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I would do you one better and say that it goes to Confidant/Clique levels post-rotation, but that would not likely be for at least a year after its rotation (or more, compensating for people selling off additional copies from Standard, and also assuming it doesn't get b& [a very real proposition, given how ban-happy WOTC has been in eternal formats lately and the kind of discussion/s it's been fostering since seeing print]).
Snapcaster Mage has outperformed hype, at least in non-Standard formats (although it is really awesome in Standard in the "only" control deck of the format [lumping Solar Flare and UB together]). People claiming he's full of hype, that he's just a bubble that will burst, etc, haven't actually played with it, nor have they been paying attention to results from Legacy events.
It would be awesome, in my opinion, if his price dropped below $15 while he's standard-legal, but we've seen that Snapcaster Mage has exceeded any expectations previously had of him two months out, so any predictions you make are essentially lucky guesses at this point, as his value is doing things that no post-Mythic rare has done since the introduction of Mythics to date.
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I agree with this but with one caveat. I think snapcaster is above clique level and maybe even above confidant level. Cards like that are the most at risk for the banhammer especially a card that will limit the quality of future soceries/instants during design.
It certainly sees more play than Dark Confidant to greater successes in the limited time it's been legal. However, I also imagine that more copies of Snapcaster Mage will be available than were of Clique and Confidant, as Magic is in a boon period (assuming OP rules don't reverse the trend) likely greater than Ravnica and Morningtide. Also, each of the aforementioned older cards were "rarer" because they were printed before the addition of Mythic rares and decreases in set sizes. Snapcaster is also in a large expansion that will be opened for nine months, whereas Clique was only available in a small expansion that was followed-up with a large expansion removed from Morningtide's limited pool.
These factors inhibit it's price growth. If your implication was that it being above Confidant and Clique level means it's more likely to be banned, that would also limit price growth, particularly if it's banned in the Eternal markets.
That said, I think people are a bit ban-happy and quick to jump on anything that is newly introduced as a format staple as a candidate for banning, but my opinion about how liberal bans are applied now doesn't coincide with Wizards' plans for Legacy.
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You've certainly missed the speculation pop, but pick them up at the LGS cheap if you can.
He's actually playing 3 of them:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/worlds11/videodt1
It beats Illusions, Tokens, Humans et and can steal fatties. She's immune to doom blade, can outgrow dismember.
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
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She flies and is in a deck with Tribute to Hunger. If the only creature left on the board is Mirran Crusader, it doesn't matter.
If you have copies you are not using, I would deposit them into a cash-reformatting machine ASAP.
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Chapin went 6-0. He only dropped 1 game, not a match.
Think you're right. Thought I read he lost a match to a mono-Red w/ great draws in a last or later rounds.
tcgplayer has him listed as undefeated which is why probably most are assuming.
Watch all the Vamps. I see significant support in DKA.
After some tournament results and a full repricing of every card in the set, the running tally sees movement:
1) Liliana of the Veil / / / / / / /
2) Garruk Relentless the Veil-Cursed / / / / / / /
3) Snapcaster Mage / / / / / / /
4) Olivia Voldaren / / / / / / /
5) Geist of Saint Traft / / / / / / /
6) Stromkirk Noble / / / / / / /
7) Mikaeus, the Lunarch / / / / / / /
8) Isolated Chapel / / / / / / /
9) Army of the Damned / / / / / / /
10) Hinterland Harbor / / / / / / /
11) Skaab Ruinator / / / / / / /
12) Woodland Cemetery / / / / / / /
13) Bloodline Keeper Lord of Lineage / / / / / / /
14) Champion of the Parish / / / / / /
15) Sulfur Falls / / / / / / /
16) Kessig Wolf Run / / / /
17) Angelic Overseer / / / / / / /
18) Mayor of Avabruck / / / / / /
19) Tree of Redemption / / / / / / /
20) Past in Flames / / / / / / /
21) Clifftop Retreat / / / / / / /
22) Gavony Township / / /
23) Grimgrin, Corpse-Born / / / / / / /
24) Grimoire of the Dead / / / / / / /
25) Mentor of the Meek / / / / / / /
(Key: The card's most recent move is the rightmost one. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. The data is taken from here.)
Heartless Summoning and Reaper from the Abyss fell off the tally this update as they are both now worth less than the booster packs they come out of.
Liliana fell to $29, lower than even her initial price during presales. Garruk is close behind at $25, retaking second place from Snapcaster which fell to $24. Olivia Voldaren is the big news this update, tripling her price overnight! See above posts for more info on that. Geist finally moved off the #4 spot to #5. Stromkirk is cooling, Mikaeus also. All the dual lands settled just a bit more this update, to $3-5, with Isolated Chapel in the lead. Army of the Damned is holding value quite well, as is Bloodline Keeper. Red and black both did well this update. Another red card rising is Past in Flames.
Overall, sales for the set have slowed, and prices are drooping. That trend looks to continue with MTGO redemptions coming soon.
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