MTG Salvation

Quote from Miracule

I looked over the days I was gone, and I didn't see where you changed your mind/ why. Could you point it out for me?

Later half of 439 (phone again)

"I'm sure you're just dying to feast, my children."

Official Votecount:

Arnnaria (1): Foxlet
Chickenfish (3): MandersHex, Zenjo, Miracule
EronTheRelentless (2): Gamora, Gigas1
KittyCupCake (1): Marr965
Marr965 (2): Wheat_Grinder, Chickenfish

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

What's going on with Gamora?

Gamora has been replaced. I am seeking a replacement currently.

Sinice a lot of people are now suspicious of her, yet she doesn't have a single vote I'm going to Vote Manders Hex.

Quote from Arnnaria

Sinice a lot of people are now suspicious of her, yet she doesn't have a single vote I'm going to Vote Manders Hex.

So you're not voting for me because you are suspicious of me, but because others are, yet I have no votes?

Geez, man, and you wonder why you were pushed to claim range.

Quote from MandersHex

So you're not voting for me because you are suspicious of me, but because others are, yet I have no votes?

Geez, man, and you wonder why you were pushed to claim range.

No I am suspicious of you too, Manders. I include myself in "a lot of people". However, people seem to think they're bigger fish to fry and you're still an enigma.

Quote from Arnnaria

No I am suspicious of you too, Manders. I include myself in "a lot of people". However, people seem to think they're bigger fish to fry and you're still an enigma.

Are you saying you want me to claim today? If not, what is the "enigma" bit about?

Quote from MandersHex

Are you saying you want me to claim today? If not, what is the "enigma" bit about?

I'm saying people are on the fence about you. If you think claiming will prove your innocence, go ahead and do it. There's just a lot of unresolved issues with your game play so far this game.

Look, you haven't responded to other's criticisms when you get greatly offended when people don't respond to yours.

You're comments on peoples posts can borderline on spam with a simply "blah" that you don't care to explain to anyone.

You were on the wagon to lynch me.

You were on the wagon to lynch Chickenfish.

I think there's a strong case against you. I was told to use logic when voting, so I am. That's why I'm voting for you.

Quote from Arnnaria

You were on the wagon to lynch Chickenfish.

Why is this a point against her?

Quote from KittyCupCake

Why is this a point against her?

Because she's hopping from wagon to wagon on which will have the best success rate. At every vote count, the person with the most votes Manders has been on that person.

EBWODP: Manders has NOT been on the most voted for person EVERY vote count. However, Manders HAS BEEN on the most voted person from Vote Count five forward.

Quote from Arnnaria

Look, you haven't responded to other's criticisms

What have I not addressed?

when you get greatly offended when people don't respond to yours.

"Greatly offended" is a blatant exaggeration. Maybe a little annoyed, but not offended at all.

You're comments on peoples posts can borderline on spam with a simply "blah" that you don't care to explain to anyone.

I absolutely did explain that as well as anything else that's been asked of me. Again, if I missed something, re-present it, and I will address it.

You were on the wagon to lynch me.

You were on the wagon to lynch Chickenfish.

Seeing as how neither of you haave flipped town, I don't see how this can be a point against me.

I think there's a strong case against you.

In your own words, what is the case against me?

I was told to use logic when voting, so I am. That's why I'm voting for you.

So, explain the logic then? Because I am not seeing the logic behind going off and voting someone who had 0 votes when there are other suspicious people who already have wagons.

Look, if you want to get me lynched, feel free, brah. Just be prepared for battle.

Quote from MandersHex

Look, if you want to get me lynched, feel free, brah. Just be prepared for battle.

I'm not looking to get you lynched. I'm looking to put you under a microscope.

PBPA time! As a note, WG has posted much more than what is included below. What I included is only the parts of his posts which I find suspicious. Anything he has posted so far that isn't seen below, you can assume I have no issues with it.

Quote from Arnnaria

I'm not looking to get you lynched. I'm looking to put you under a microscope.

Have I not already been under a microscope? I've been asked questions and I've answered them.

Why did you ignore everything else I said?

Quote from MandersHex

What have I not addressed?

Please explain your early game of buddying up to various players. Including "Seppel 2.0".

Please explain your emotional pleas that you were gonna quit the game if it wasn't being run by Iso.

Please explain why you are allowed to tell someone that their list "sucks" but not give them concrete data.

"Greatly offended" is a blatant exaggeration. Maybe a little annoyed, but not offended at all.

Duly noted, Manders

I absolutely did explain that as well as anything else that's been asked of me. Again, if I missed something, re-present it, and I will address it.

I just want the three points answered that I had earlier.

Seeing as how neither of you haave flipped town, I don't see how this can be a point against me.

You don't think you being the common denominator in the lists of the top vote getters for the past three vote counts isn't a little scummy?

In your own words, what is the case against me?

You started the game buddying up to as many players you could. You even buddied up to Iso. As time went on, you're posts got less and less logical and more and more emotional. Until we reach now, where you're posts are more emotional than logical. People are leaving your side and you're weaker now than you were at the start of the game.

So, explain the logic then? Because I am not seeing the logic behind going off and voting someone who had 0 votes when there are other suspicious people who already have wagons.

Look, if you want to get me lynched, feel free, brah. Just be prepared for battle.

I'm just playing the game to the best of my abilities, Manders. I thought you'd appreciate that.

Quote from Arnnaria

Please explain your early game of buddying up to various players. Including "Seppel 2.0".

I'm friendly and joke around in the game. It'll continue throughout.

Please explain your emotional pleas that you were gonna quit the game if it wasn't being run by Iso.

Being accused of targeting someone for "personal reasons" pissed me the **** off. It happens far too often, and I'm sick of it.

Please explain why you are allowed to tell someone that their list "sucks" but not give them concrete data.

Because I'm cute.

No, seriously, because I'm not worried about him in the least at this moment, so I'm not going to clutter up the thread explaining why his list-making abilities sucked. Besides, he might figure it out himself and fix it, and then I'll be super proud of Seppel V.2

You don't think you being the common denominator in the lists of the top vote getters for the past three vote counts isn't a little scummy?

Not in the least, aside from the fact that I HIGHLY doubt I was the ONLY common denominator.

You started the game buddying up to as many players you could. You even buddied up to Iso. As time went on, you're posts got less and less logical and more and more emotional. Until we reach now, where you're posts are more emotional than logical. People are leaving your side and you're weaker now than you were at the start of the game.

Buddying =/= scum.
Illogical and Emotional is my SOP.
I'm never weak.

I'm just playing the game to the best of my abilities, Manders. I thought you'd appreciate that.

I do appreciate your attempt. That doesn't mean I'm not going to stand up to you when you try to start a wagon on me.

Quote from MandersHex

I do appreciate your attempt. That doesn't mean I'm not going to stand up to you when you try to start a wagon on me.

And I appreciate your quick reply. But I'm leaving my vote on you for now until a better target comes along.

Consider us "cool", but I'm still voting for you.

I never considered us not "cool", but w/e.

PBPA noted, KCC, and my response comes tomorrow, along with (hopefully) a better analysis of Manders and CF.

And while I know you say there isn't a dichotomy there, KCC, and I agree with that, I still think one of the two is scum.

No real content at the moment, my vacation is wearing me out!

My main point was that I have been trying to do quick reads on my phone so I'm not falling behind. When I get back home day after tomorrow (the 21st) I can start re-reading in depth and catching up on my content posts.

Oh, and looking forward to Gamora's replacement once he/she is found and catches up.

Quote from KittyCupCake

PBPA time! As a note, WG has posted much more than what is included below. What I included is only the parts of his posts which I find suspicious. Anything he has posted so far that isn't seen below, you can assume I have no issues with it.

Mild barning with a question that didn't need to be seconded.

Some fence sitting here. -He agrees with MH's making a big deal out of RVS tells, but is also suspicious of the early game questioning?

How did you develop this opinion of Arn?

I originally read this as WG trying to tie them together. But with Arn as unCCed tracker, and therefore unlikely scum, this isn't doesn't mean much.

Why is someone else trying to tie themselves to Gamora a point against gamora?



I really don't like the attempts at tying players together before we know any alignments.


Terrible misinterpretation of Arn's post. Attempt at drawing out the claim #1.


I don't entirely disagree with the logic. But I don't like the discrediting of his reads. WG has listed him as a suspect though, so this is a minor issue at best.

This is a meaningless point, except that CF isn't cleared by his actions. -But it has no bearing on Marr at all.


Attempt at drawing out the claim #2.

There is absolutely no dichotomy here.


This doesn't answer the relevant question.
-Why were you trying to draw a claim from someone who wasn't at L-2?


To be honest? Why did that need to be specified here? -Why wouldn't you have answered honestly?

Wow... some great insight that I hadn't picked up on. Didn't see it being WG almost exclusively getting a claim out of Arn.
Ugh... world constantly being turned upside down...
Very much coming around on the KCC front, getting to the 'scum but not totally shocked if flips town' bit of the spectrum on Manders, WG looking more suspicious...
I fear this day is dragging on, and all the old theories are becoming forgotten as the new ones come around (at least in my limited-capacity mind anyway), but maybe to our detriment.
I feel like we almost need a lynch and a night to happen so that we can take everything said by everybody and see what's still worth considering.
Here's what I propose: We each make a list assigning 3, 2 and 1 points to different people, with the most points going to the person we'd most like to lynch. Then, whoever has the most points, we lynch unanimously (unless there are some really big objections, like Arnn being top of 3 people's list and not on anybody else's).
While this seems like scum may get away with just doing what the crowd is doing, we'll get to see everybody's points systems and reflect on them.
I realise this isn't ideal, but can anybody else think of any other way to bring some new information to the game?

Quote from Foxlet

No real content at the moment, my vacation is wearing me out!

My main point was that I have been trying to do quick reads on my phone so I'm not falling behind. When I get back home day after tomorrow (the 21st) I can start re-reading in depth and catching up on my content posts.

Oh, and looking forward to Gamora's replacement once he/she is found and catches up.

Foxlet lives! And Gamora's replacement is hopefully happening, yeah...
This could be the new information we need.
Still interested to hear people's thoughts on my proposed voting system, but it seems it can wait.

Artifice 101 has replaced Gamora. Welcome!

Quote from Arnnaria

Vote Chickenfish for being so excited to lynch Manders he forgot to bold his vote.

Quick question for everyone in the game: what pronouns do you prefer? I'm a guy, and I prefer male pronouns.

Male thanks.

Quote from Iso

Artifice 101 has replaced Gamora. Welcome!

I'm on Post 120. I'll be catching up as I find time. This game looks like the content will make it pretty easy to find the scum. The moves players are making (as of where I left off) seem sort of hamfisted.

Also, please do me a favor and makes your votes and unvotes bold AND blue if it's not too much trouble, Art.

Quote from Iso

Also, please do me a favor and makes your votes and unvotes bold AND blue if it's not too much trouble, Art.

Just for that I am changing my custom title. I did read the OP although I might make them green to balance out Manders' purple.

Die in a hole.

Anyway, continue the game.

Vote Count 5

Chickenfish (2): KittyCupCake, MandersHex

Vote Count 6

Arnnaria (4): Zenjo, Wheat_Grinder, Foxlet, MandersHex

Vote Count 7

Arnnaria (4): Zenjo, Wheat_Grinder, Foxlet, MandersHex

Quote from Marr965

She is? Could you give a list of the people who've left her side due to emotional posting?

Namely Wheat Grinder and Zenjo.

Quote from Iso

Artifice 101 has replaced Gamora. Welcome!

Oh noooooo!

(j/k. Welcome, Art.)

Once I get off of class 'round 1-ish I'll actually make a decent post here.

Quote from Chickenfish

Still interested to hear people's thoughts on my proposed voting system, but it seems it can wait.

Yeah, not until we hear from more people. Artifice will definitely add a ton of new information to the game.

Quote from Iso

Artifice 101 has replaced Gamora. Welcome!

Welcome!

Quote from Artifice 101

Just for that I am changing my custom title. I did read the OP although I might make them green to balance out Manders' purple.

My purple needs no balancing out. It is glorious.

Quote from Marr965

I think I could say the same about you, Arnn. The only thing is, you managed to reverse this trend.

So you're saying I'm still posting emotionally, then?

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Okay, I believe you. I can't say I've noticed it myself, but whatever.

They both said they're not as sure that I'm town, but are nowhere near wanting to lynch me.

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Ugh, this puts me in a corner.

Manders seems to be quite good at doing that. I'm not saying its a good or bad thing; it is simply an observation.

I did a little light reading over the weekend and I would like to direct you all to Super Mario World Mafia where Gigas1 was a scum.

His posting style was identical - I.E. Not at all often and when he did he would jump in tunnel one person and go quiet again.

I don't think that we should let his non-posting continue after reveiwing that game.
FOS: GIGAS1

I'm going to catch up on what went down the last few days and post a little something later.

Quote from Marr965

Ugh, this puts me in a corner.

To be honest, I haven't noticed you posting emotionally. I was only pointing out that Arn had done quite a bit of emotional posting. Maybe you have posted emotionally. I don't know.

So, why are you agreeing with things that you don't know if they're true or not?

Quote from Arnnaria

Manders seems to be quite good at doing that. I'm not saying its a good or bad thing; it is simply an observation.

It's called scumhunting.

Quote from EronTheRelentless

I did a little light reading over the weekend and I would like to direct you all to Super Mario World Mafia where Gigas1 was a scum.

His posting style was identical - I.E. Not at all often and when he did he would jump in tunnel one person and go quiet again.

I don't think that we should let his non-posting continue after reveiwing that game.
FOS: GIGAS1

He does this regardless of alignment.

Why are you back onto wanting to go after lurkers?

Quote from MandersHex

He does this regardless of alignment.

Why are you back onto wanting to go after lurkers?

1. I didn't say go after lurkers. I said Gigas b/c his playstyle matched that of a game that he was a scum.
2. If he is not contributing it is going to hurt the town in the long run.
3. Why do you feel the need to defend him? Are you co-scum in this game as you were in Super Mario World?

Quote from EronTheRelentless

1. I didn't say go after lurkers. I said Gigas b/c his playstyle matched that of a game that he was a scum.
2. If he is not contributing it is going to hurt the town in the long run.
3. Why do you feel the need to defend him? Are you co-scum in this game as you were in Super Mario World?

Wow this rubs me all kinds of wrong.
1. Did you look up any of his town games? Why did you go all the way back to Basic 44?
2. That's true, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
3. Why do you feel the need to jump to that conclusion?

I'm just going to leave Manders and CF aside for today, I think, because you've just earned yourself a spot on my scumlist.

Quote from Marr965

Because lurking is not only scummy, it's detrimental to everyone else's enjoyment of the game.

And why do you feel the need to answer his question for him?

Quote from Wheat_Grinder

Wow this rubs me all kinds of wrong.
1. Did you look up any of his town games? Why did you go all the way back to Basic 44?
2. That's true, but that doesn't mean he's scum.
3. Why do you feel the need to jump to that conclusion?

I'm just going to leave Manders and CF aside for today, I think, because you've just earned yourself a spot on my scumlist.



And why do you feel the need to answer his question for him?

Because the Super Mario flavor intrigued me when I was going through the archives.
I also simply asked a question. What makes you think that was my conclusion?

And if I earned a spot on your scumlist for provoking conversation, so be it. You seem to want to try and shut this down as soon as you can.

Quote from EronTheRelentless

1. I didn't say go after lurkers. I said Gigas b/c his playstyle matched that of a game that he was a scum.

Are you or are you not the player that was harping about 2 people who hadn't posted towards the beginning of the game? Please don't make me go look this up.

2. If he is not contributing it is going to hurt the town in the long run.

When he posts, he contributes.

3. Why do you feel the need to defend him? Are you co-scum in this game as you were in Super Mario World?

Yes, you got me.

Quote from Marr965

Because lurking is not only scummy, it's detrimental to everyone else's enjoyment of the game.

Lurking in and of itself is not scummy. I've seen town do it a lot more than scum do.

Quote from Marr965

If it came across as an agreement, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant to be, it was merely noting that Arn had posted emotionally earlier.

This is what you said:

Quote from Marr965

I think I could say the same about you, Arnn. The only thing is, you managed to reverse this trend.

I don't see any kind of rebuttal in there, and you even go so far as to imply that I have not "managed to reverse this trend."

Quote from Wheat_Grinder

I'm just going to leave Manders and CF aside for today, I think, because you've just earned yourself a spot on my scumlist.

As much as I hate to, Chickenfish is going to have to wait until later. I'm positive that Eron is the one that was going after lurkers at the beginning of the Day. He comes back after being away for many days, and instead of posting about anything that's happened...decides to attack a lurker?

Dislike. Very much dislike.

Unvote Vote: EronTheRelentless

Quote from MandersHex

Are you or are you not the player that was harping about 2 people who hadn't posted towards the beginning of the game? Please don't make me go look this up.


When he posts, he contributes.


Yes, you got me.


Lurking in and of itself is not scummy. I've seen town do it a lot more than scum do.


This is what you said:


I don't see any kind of rebuttal in there, and you even go so far as to imply that I have not "managed to reverse this trend."


As much as I hate to, Chickenfish is going to have to wait until later. I'm positive that Eron is the one that was going after lurkers at the beginning of the Day. He comes back after being away for many days, and instead of posting about anything that's happened...decides to attack a lurker?

Dislike. Very much dislike.

Unvote Vote: EronTheRelentless

Yes, I was the one that went after 2 lurkers early. One of them being Gigas.

You and Wheat are very quick to defend Gigas' actions.

I stated that i would be re-reading and posting more later, I just found this tidbit interesting. You are very, very quick to throw everything else aside for one remark. If this is the only scummy thing that you have on me then I find this vote to be most convenient.

Quote from EronTheRelentless

I'm going to catch up on what went down the last few days and post a little something later.

He's just commentating on the lurkers. He's going to cover what went down the past two days. Give him time and put down the torches and pitchforks.

I'll take another quick run through of the last page or so because I think there were some things I wanted to take a look at, but in the meantime, my response to KCC:

Quote from Arnnaria

He's just commentating on the lurkers. He's going to cover what went down the past two days. Give him time and put down the torches and pitchforks.

I think we need to analyze the reactions of both Wheat and Manders to the simple observation that I made. This is way to strong a reaction to be nothing.

Quote from EronTheRelentless

Yes, I was the one that went after 2 lurkers early. One of them being Gigas.

You and Wheat are very quick to defend Gigas' actions.

For me, it's irrelevant that it's on Gigas. I dislike lurker hunting, period, especially on the first day. If Day 2 or 3 comes along, goes for several weeks, and he's still lurking like a champ, then we can talk.

I stated that i would be re-reading and posting more later, I just found this tidbit interesting. You are very, very quick to throw everything else aside for one remark. If this is the only scummy thing that you have on me then I find this vote to be most convenient.

You've been rubbing me the wrong way for awhile now, iirc. But the fact that you were told not to go after lurkers over a week ago, yet you come back from lurking yourself, and go after a lurker? Ridiculous.

Quote from EronTheRelentless

I think we need to analyze the reactions of both Wheat and Manders to the simple observation that I made. This is way to strong a reaction to be nothing.

I think you're right Eron, and after you're caught up with the past couple of days, you'll see that I put the screws on Manders already.

Quote from Arnnaria

He's just commentating on the lurkers. He's going to cover what went down the past two days. Give him time and put down the torches and pitchforks.

Why are you jumping to his defense?

Quote from MandersHex

Why are you jumping to his defense?

Because I think he's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's town.