Her obfuscations aren't helping her case, I'll say that. But you're not out of the park yet.
I understand that. But, I had no indication or clue she was a power role. How/Why on earth would I roleblock her AND THEN KNOW what the roleblock said? She's twisting everything I've been open about. Using it to her advantage.
There still is a scenario that we are BOTH town. Basically there is a scum that makes people fall asleep when we target that person. So if we both targeted the same person, we both would've gotten the same roleblock.
However, that would require Manders a) revealing her power role and b) revealing the information of who she targeted.
And there's another tidbit there...
Manders told me not to "mod the game" earlier. If she also was a town Power Role, she would know what I was talking about when I tried to disprove Marr, which would explain why she got so upset.
This is me being logical about the situation when I have illogical posts to deal with.
I understand that. But, I had no indication or clue she was a power role. How/Why on earth would I roleblock her AND THEN KNOW what the roleblock said? She's twisting everything I've been open about. Using it to her advantage.
She's breadcrumbing pretty hard.
There still is a scenario that we are BOTH town. Basically there is a scum that makes people fall asleep when we target that person. So if we both targeted the same person, we both would've gotten the same roleblock.
To be honest I can't see that role being in a basic. I think it sounds cool and I might steal it from you though for when I design my normal. However, a Jailer role might explain it, though I doubt we have one.
However, that would require Manders a) revealing her power role and b) revealing the information of who she targeted.
I understand that. But, I had no indication or clue she was a power role. How/Why on earth would I roleblock her AND THEN KNOW what the roleblock said? She's twisting everything I've been open about. Using it to her advantage.
Wrong. Outright refusing to claim because it would help scum screams PR. Even if you didn't realize it, one of your buddies obviously did.
There still is a scenario that we are BOTH town. Basically there is a scum that makes people fall asleep when we target that person. So if we both targeted the same person, we both would've gotten the same roleblock.
Wrong. Roleblockers block who they target, not who targets their target. That's a jailer.
Oshi...I could have been jailed. Who did you target Arnnaria?
However, that would require Manders a) revealing her power role and b) revealing the information of who she targeted.
I will not be doing either, but since you've already claimed a, you should claim b.
Manders told me not to "mod the game" earlier. If she also was a town Power Role, she would know what I was talking about when I tried to disprove Marr, which would explain why she got so upset.
Wrong. You were trying to fish for power roles with, "Hey, guys, there's something only town power could know"
Guess what? No mod worth their salt would tell the town power roles how many power roles the town has. That taints the integrity of the game, and Iso knows that.
This is me being logical about the situation when I have illogical posts to deal with.
Keep on attacking me personally, buddy. It just makes you look even more like scum.
Edit: Oh, you say you didn't target me? Then, yeah, I wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Now, it's POSSIBLE you didn't target me, but only if Iso put the roleblock flavor PM into the QT instead of a PM to the roleblocker. Either way, though, your scum, as there's no possible way for you to know the roleblock flavor if you are town.
Oshi...I could have been jailed. Who did you target Arnnaria?
I don't like how you suddenly came to that realization.
Edit: Oh, you say you didn't target me? Then, yeah, I wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Now, it's POSSIBLE you didn't target me, but only if Iso put the roleblock flavor PM into the QT instead of a PM to the roleblocker. Either way, though, your scum, as there's no possible way for you to know the roleblock flavor if you are town.
So you accept a jailer but still say it was a roleblock?
If you're really town and a Jailer doesn't step forward, sure.
Also @Arnn: Jailer protects a person from being killed, at the expense of roleblocking them.
And I highly doubt a Jailer, given that it would give the scumteam both a rolecop and RB'er while the town gets a Jailer instead of a doc.
Well there's also the fact that Manders posted her version of the roleblock AFTER I posted my version of the roleblock. Sequentially, she has the burden of proof that she's not lying.
I don't fully understand this Jailer stuff. I'm just surprised someone took up the bloody flag so quickly after the night was over.
Reading from my phone right now, I want to do some of my own research on some of this information that has come out (potential jailers) to help sort out the aftermath. Expect more from me sometime this weekend.
How likely is it for there to be a roleblock on both teams?
I don't know.
But Manders is claiming town, and she was roleblocked.
I'm claiming town, and I was roleblocked.
So, the question then becomes either a) who is lying? or b) what's the possibility that the scum have TWO roleblock characters.
I haven't put a vote on Manders because I'm not entirely convinced that there isn't a scum with an ability that makes people "fall asleep" and roleblock them when targeted.
But I've already claimed that I targeted Zenjo.
She refuses to claim her role and who she targeted.
There is a third possibility: neither of us were "roleblocked" and the "falling asleep" is some sort of flavor for a failed action. I.e. - Zenjo is vanilla town and he didn't target anyone, so I just fell asleep and get zero information.
I understand that. But, I had no indication or clue she was a power role. How/Why on earth would I roleblock her AND THEN KNOW what the roleblock said? She's twisting everything I've been open about. Using it to her advantage.
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Then I have to question whether you're reading the game. I'm on my phone, but i'm 99% sure Manders put out a breadcrumb that she was a PR. I'll try and find it.
Then I have to question whether you're reading the game. I'm on my phone, but i'm 99% sure Manders put out a breadcrumb that she was a PR. I'll try and find it.
Are you talking about the time I asked if she was "bored with her role?" and she responded "I refuse to answer this question as it is fishing"?
Actual case would be a good reason. You guys are choosing to vote me because there's a deadline and my lynch would give some good insights into alignments of others. I disagree because I'm being attacked by a bunch of people who've never played before because I like to make jokes in my posts. Seriously, I'm being accused of not providing content, which is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard in my life.
So, again, pile the votes on, but I refuse to tell the scum who/what I am.
I read that as scum being backed into a corner and claws coming out, not a breadcrumb. I suppose if she is town, it is a breadcrumb. But after she stormed out of the gates on this one when my role STILL hasn't been counterclaimed makes me wary.
Edit: Oh, you say you didn't target me? Then, yeah, I wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Now, it's POSSIBLE you didn't target me, but only if Iso put the roleblock flavor PM into the QT instead of a PM to the roleblocker. Either way, though, your scum, as there's no possible way for you to know the roleblock flavor if you are town.
If you're really town and a Jailer doesn't step forward, sure.
Also @Arnn: Jailer protects a person from being killed, at the expense of roleblocking them.
And I highly doubt a Jailer, given that it would give the scumteam both a rolecop and RB'er while the town gets a Jailer instead of a doc.
...epic slip, dude.
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Basically, he's never once considered the possibility Arnnaria's scum in this. He's posting from the mindset that Arnnaria's town, and is completely accepting the Tracker claim. He knows Arnnaria's town and has decided to go after me because I'm refusing to claim.
My bad, Arn. I'm not sure what happened last night, but we were both roleblocked. Either there's a RBer on both teams, or town has a jailer. If the town does have a jailer, try to target scum with it, not town.
How likely is it for there to be a roleblock on both teams?
Before WG's slip, I'd have said almost zero and that, if there was, I would be kicking Iso's shin when I see him. But that's much more likely now, and I'm disappointed.
There is a third possibility: neither of us were "roleblocked" and the "falling asleep" is some sort of flavor for a failed action. I.e. - Zenjo is vanilla town and he didn't target anyone, so I just fell asleep and get zero information.
I read that as scum being backed into a corner and claws coming out, not a breadcrumb. I suppose if she is town, it is a breadcrumb. But after she stormed out of the gates on this one when my role STILL hasn't been counterclaimed makes me wary.
Dude, not being counterclaimed doesn't guarantee you're town. I learned that lesson in Indiana Jones Mafia.
You can see the realization as it came to me, so I don't see how you don't like it.
...epic slip, dude.
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Basically, he's never once considered the possibility Arnnaria's scum in this. He's posting from the mindset that Arnnaria's town, and is completely accepting the Tracker claim. He knows Arnnaria's town and has decided to go after me because I'm refusing to claim.
My bad, Arn. I'm not sure what happened last night, but we were both roleblocked. Either there's a RBer on both teams, or town has a jailer. If the town does have a jailer, try to target scum with it, not town.
What does this mean?
Before WG's slip, I'd have said almost zero and that, if there was, I would be kicking Iso's shin when I see him. But that's much more likely now, and I'm disappointed.
No, this isn't possible.
Dude, not being counterclaimed doesn't guarantee you're town. I learned that lesson in Indiana Jones Mafia.
Basically, he's never once considered the possibility Arnnaria's scum in this. He's posting from the mindset that Arnnaria's town, and is completely accepting the Tracker claim. He knows Arnnaria's town and has decided to go after me because I'm refusing to claim.
I don't get what your supposed "slip" is.
My PoV on all this: You set up yourself vs. Arnnaria. All the evidence points to it. As you acted scummier, thus Arnnaria was townier.
Plus when people claim PR's it's hard to get out of my head they might be lying. But in this case I think Arnn is probably town, while I'm thinking that you are definitely scum, trying to push a mislynch before you yourself are lynched.
I'm going to make at least 2 posts I think...because I wanted to break up a few things.
The first thing I wanted to mention was the NK...One of you (long term players) can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that (obviously) scum took out one, but maybe Vig took out the other? Just due to the differences in deaths? The only point in bringing this up is this, think who would want Art or Chicken dead?
My next thoughts are on the roleblocking vs jailer shenanigans.
Wheat is the first one to mention a jailer role at 7:26. Manders makes her post 2 minutes later at 7:28, with the same conclusion that she *COULD* have been jailed. As she was in the middle of her post, I doubt she could have seen Wheats exact conclusion. So why is it OK for Wheat to come to that conclusion, but not Manders?
Also, this just looks, well BAD, to say the least.
Also @Arnn: Jailer protects a person from being killed, at the expense of roleblocking them.
I'm Confused Wheat? If I'm reading that correctly, you just jumped Manders for saying she couldn't have been roleblocked by a jailer, but then describe a jailer as someone who roleblocks?
I was put to sleep before I could do anything I had planned.
@ Arn. You said you targetted Zen because he was the only person you had a "cohesive scumhunt" on. What did you mean by that? I just went looking back at several of your posts, and didn't find anything that was remotely cohesive or definitive on Zen. I know you were looking for ties to Manders at one point, but really that's about all I could see.
Bleh, too tired to finish, I can't think anymore. This will have to do for now.
I should have brought this up in my other post, but I just noticed it when I was re-reading the notes I took of the aftermath.
Arn and Manders Roleblock notes are different. Granted they are both paraphrased so they don't get in trouble. Something else to think about.
@ Arn. You said you targetted Zen because he was the only person you had a "cohesive scumhunt" on. What did you mean by that? I just went looking back at several of your posts, and didn't find anything that was remotely cohesive or definitive on Zen. I know you were looking for ties to Manders at one point, but really that's about all I could see.
Bleh, too tired to finish, I can't think anymore. This will have to do for now.
At one point I tried to build a case against Zenjo for targeting three people who we believed to be town, thus making him scum. Let me find it.
Okay, at this point Gamora is no longer in the game and has been replaced by Artifice 101. Artifice has yet to post anything substantial that would lead me to believe him town or scum, but he did comment that Zenjo and he (or I) could not possibly be on a "scum team" together.
The FOS pointed toward me is very pointed because I had very little to do with that interaction. It was just basically Gamora setting me up for a vote and then redacting his vote later. So why a FOS on me? I didn't really do anything here except say I fence sit. However, a lot of people found me suspicious at this point in the game, so I will say that this is a null read.
Chickenfish is on his watch list at this point. This was before the "altruistic suicide townie" actions which pretty much convinced a few of us that he is town.
So what does it all add up to? If you believe Artifice 101's claim that Zenjo and he couldn't be on a scum team together. If you believe my claim is genuine and not made up. And if you believe Chickenfish is altruistic and not backed into a corner.
If you believe all three, you have ONE post accusing three town of being scummy.
Manders, you said not to draw conclusions until people flip.
Well, Artifice just flipped town.
Chickenfish just flipped town.
If you believe I am town, then Zenjo is targeting three different town in his first post.
So we have Arnnaria, who is towntelling/dumbtelling like mad.
He's going back and forth with Manders, who is doing some classic flailing. She breadcrumbed way too hard yesterday, and now today she's jumped off from voting her counterclaim. The only way I can see Manders as town is if we have a town roleblocker, but if we have a town roleblocker, then that's at least four town PRs right there and I'm absolutely not buying that.
Foxlet is just trying to solve this.
Meanwhile, Wheat_Grinder is nearly-confirmed town.
Finally, there's a pile of people I need to read up on: Miracule, Zenjo, KittyCupCake, and EronTheRelentless.
Regardless of what power role Manders claims to be, she would make the town too powerful to be balanced.
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I'm Confused Wheat? If I'm reading that correctly, you just jumped Manders for saying she couldn't have been roleblocked by a jailer, but then describe a jailer as someone who roleblocks?
She accepts the possibility of a Jailer but insists that she was RB'd, not Jailed:
Edit: Oh, you say you didn't target me? Then, yeah, I wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Now, it's POSSIBLE you didn't target me, but only if Iso put the roleblock flavor PM into the QT instead of a PM to the roleblocker. Either way, though, your scum, as there's no possible way for you to know the roleblock flavor if you are town.
So there is almost certainly a jailer and a presumably town roleblocker in this game, right? Since it's highly improbable that there were two mafia roleblockers? Is this coming too close to mod gaming? Is this mod gaming?
The only way I can see Manders as town is if we have a town roleblocker, but if we have a town roleblocker, then that's at least four town PRs right there and I'm absolutely not buying that.
Regardless of what power role Manders claims to be, she would make the town too powerful to be balanced.
I wouldn't put too much into this idea. -If the scum have a rolecop AND a roleblocker, we need something above the norm to balance that. Plus, it's Iso.
Meanwhile, Wheat_Grinder is nearly-confirmed town.
How so? -I'm not seeing it.
the RB counterclaim could, at best, get Arn mislynched. When Arn flips town, MH is shown to be lying, and gets lynched/vigged. 1 for 1 trade is a bad play for scum. I think MH is smart enough to not suicide like this for no reason.
with only 2 scum left, one who performed the NK (likely on Art) and one who RBed Arn, this is impossible.
then she must have been jailed or RBed by town. The setup then is: Scum have a rolecop and RBer, Town have Vig, Tracker, Jailer/RBer, and whatever MH is. -It's a little power heavy for a basic, but not unreasonable.
Conclusion: If Arn is Town, MH is almost certainly Town as well.
then MH was jailed/RBed by town. But, since Arn claimed the RB flavor correctly before MH said anything about it, this is basically impossible.
then he knows the RB claim will be CCed. At best, he holds his ground and gets MH mislynched. Then, when MH flips town, he is shown to be lying and gets lynched/vigged. 1 for 1 trade is bad for the scum. -I'm not sure if Arn knows that this is a bad idea yet, but his scumbuddy and/or mentor likely would have informed him that this was stupid.
Plus, this would means the scum have a rolecop AND a RBer, and the town has no info roles to balance.
So, considering both of those, I find this very unlikely.
then MH was jailed/RBed by Town. And Arn was RBed by scum. It makes the game a little power heavy, but it's not unreasonable.
If MH is town, Arn is very likely town as well.
-So, I believe them both. I think they are both acting like they were truly RBed (MH's CC reaction was very sincere, and Arn's semi-confusion seemed genuine) and neither of their play makes much sense from scum anyway. And yes, this would mean the game is a bit power heavy, but it's not that bad, especially for Iso.
I wouldn't put too much into this idea. -If the scum have a rolecop AND a roleblocker, we need something above the norm to balance that. Plus, it's Iso.
How so? -I'm not seeing it.
the RB counterclaim could, at best, get Arn mislynched. When Arn flips town, MH is shown to be lying, and gets lynched/vigged. 1 for 1 trade is a bad play for scum. I think MH is smart enough to not suicide like this for no reason.
with only 2 scum left, one who performed the NK (likely on Art) and one who RBed Arn, this is impossible.
then she must have been jailed or RBed by town. The setup then is: Scum have a rolecop and RBer, Town have Vig, Tracker, Jailer/RBer, and whatever MH is. -It's a little power heavy for a basic, but not unreasonable.
Conclusion: If Arn is Town, MH is almost certainly Town as well.
then MH was jailed/RBed by town. But, since Arn claimed the RB flavor correctly before MH said anything about it, this is basically impossible.
then he knows the RB claim will be CCed. At best, he holds his ground and gets MH mislynched. Then, when MH flips town, he is shown to be lying and gets lynched/vigged. 1 for 1 trade is bad for the scum. -I'm not sure if Arn knows that this is a bad idea yet, but his scumbuddy and/or mentor likely would have informed him that this was stupid.
Plus, this would means the scum have a rolecop AND a RBer, and the town has no info roles to balance.
So, considering both of those, I find this very unlikely.
then MH was jailed/RBed by Town. And Arn was RBed by scum. It makes the game a little power heavy, but it's not unreasonable.
If MH is town, Arn is very likely town as well.
-So, I believe them both. I think they are both acting like they were truly RBed (MH's CC reaction was very sincere, and Arn's semi-confusion seemed genuine) and neither of their play makes much sense from scum anyway. And yes, this would mean the game is a bit power heavy, but it's not that bad, especially for Iso.
-So, I believe them both. I think they are both acting like they were truly RBed (MH's CC reaction was very sincere, and Arn's semi-confusion seemed genuine) and neither of their play makes much sense from scum anyway. And yes, this would mean the game is a bit power heavy, but it's not that bad, especially for Iso.
LOL. I guess I can't rationalize with the irrational. I hope everyone can see through this as much as I can.
Her obfuscations aren't helping her case, I'll say that. But you're not out of the park yet.
I understand that. But, I had no indication or clue she was a power role. How/Why on earth would I roleblock her AND THEN KNOW what the roleblock said? She's twisting everything I've been open about. Using it to her advantage.
There still is a scenario that we are BOTH town. Basically there is a scum that makes people fall asleep when we target that person. So if we both targeted the same person, we both would've gotten the same roleblock.
However, that would require Manders a) revealing her power role and b) revealing the information of who she targeted.
And there's another tidbit there...
Manders told me not to "mod the game" earlier. If she also was a town Power Role, she would know what I was talking about when I tried to disprove Marr, which would explain why she got so upset.
This is me being logical about the situation when I have illogical posts to deal with.
I highly doubt it, since you targeted me.
I'm not claiming, but I provided the flavor of my roleblocking below.
Personal attacks won't help your case.
Eh, I was being a ***** while I waited for Iso to respond.
I was put to sleep before I could do anything I had planned.
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I did not target you. I targeted Zenjo.
She's breadcrumbing pretty hard.
To be honest I can't see that role being in a basic. I think it sounds cool and I might steal it from you though for when I design my normal. However, a Jailer role might explain it, though I doubt we have one.
She kind of has to anyway.
Speaking of which, who did you target, anyway?
I targeted the only person I provided a cohesive scumhunt on: Zenjo.
Wrong. Outright refusing to claim because it would help scum screams PR. Even if you didn't realize it, one of your buddies obviously did.
Wrong. Roleblockers block who they target, not who targets their target. That's a jailer.
Oshi...I could have been jailed. Who did you target Arnnaria?
I will not be doing either, but since you've already claimed a, you should claim b.
Wrong. You were trying to fish for power roles with, "Hey, guys, there's something only town power could know"
Guess what? No mod worth their salt would tell the town power roles how many power roles the town has. That taints the integrity of the game, and Iso knows that.
Keep on attacking me personally, buddy. It just makes you look even more like scum.
Edit: Oh, you say you didn't target me? Then, yeah, I wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Now, it's POSSIBLE you didn't target me, but only if Iso put the roleblock flavor PM into the QT instead of a PM to the roleblocker. Either way, though, your scum, as there's no possible way for you to know the roleblock flavor if you are town.
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Whoops missed that before I posted.
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Ok. Go right ahead. Just lynch him when I flip town.
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Manders, this is the third time I've said it: I targeted Zenjo.
I don't like how you suddenly came to that realization.
So you accept a jailer but still say it was a roleblock?
Okeedokee then.
If you're really town and a Jailer doesn't step forward, sure.
Also @Arnn: Jailer protects a person from being killed, at the expense of roleblocking them.
And I highly doubt a Jailer, given that it would give the scumteam both a rolecop and RB'er while the town gets a Jailer instead of a doc.
Well there's also the fact that Manders posted her version of the roleblock AFTER I posted my version of the roleblock. Sequentially, she has the burden of proof that she's not lying.
I don't fully understand this Jailer stuff. I'm just surprised someone took up the bloody flag so quickly after the night was over.
I'm sorry to see the loss of Art and Chicken
I don't know.
But Manders is claiming town, and she was roleblocked.
I'm claiming town, and I was roleblocked.
So, the question then becomes either a) who is lying? or b) what's the possibility that the scum have TWO roleblock characters.
I haven't put a vote on Manders because I'm not entirely convinced that there isn't a scum with an ability that makes people "fall asleep" and roleblock them when targeted.
But I've already claimed that I targeted Zenjo.
She refuses to claim her role and who she targeted.
Then I have to question whether you're reading the game. I'm on my phone, but i'm 99% sure Manders put out a breadcrumb that she was a PR. I'll try and find it.
Are you talking about the time I asked if she was "bored with her role?" and she responded "I refuse to answer this question as it is fishing"?
There's one of them.
I read that as scum being backed into a corner and claws coming out, not a breadcrumb. I suppose if she is town, it is a breadcrumb. But after she stormed out of the gates on this one when my role STILL hasn't been counterclaimed makes me wary.
Psst, read my whole posts:
I saw it.
You can see the realization as it came to me, so I don't see how you don't like it.
...epic slip, dude.
Unvote Vote: Wheat_Grinder
Basically, he's never once considered the possibility Arnnaria's scum in this. He's posting from the mindset that Arnnaria's town, and is completely accepting the Tracker claim. He knows Arnnaria's town and has decided to go after me because I'm refusing to claim.
My bad, Arn. I'm not sure what happened last night, but we were both roleblocked. Either there's a RBer on both teams, or town has a jailer. If the town does have a jailer, try to target scum with it, not town.
What does this mean?
Before WG's slip, I'd have said almost zero and that, if there was, I would be kicking Iso's shin when I see him. But that's much more likely now, and I'm disappointed.
No, this isn't possible.
Dude, not being counterclaimed doesn't guarantee you're town. I learned that lesson in Indiana Jones Mafia.
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I'm never surprised if someone I was sure was scum flips town anymore.
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Well, you might be drunk, but that's a slip if I've ever seen one.
I don't get what your supposed "slip" is.
My PoV on all this: You set up yourself vs. Arnnaria. All the evidence points to it. As you acted scummier, thus Arnnaria was townier.
Plus when people claim PR's it's hard to get out of my head they might be lying. But in this case I think Arnn is probably town, while I'm thinking that you are definitely scum, trying to push a mislynch before you yourself are lynched.
The first thing I wanted to mention was the NK...One of you (long term players) can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that (obviously) scum took out one, but maybe Vig took out the other? Just due to the differences in deaths? The only point in bringing this up is this, think who would want Art or Chicken dead?
My next thoughts are on the roleblocking vs jailer shenanigans.
Wheat is the first one to mention a jailer role at 7:26. Manders makes her post 2 minutes later at 7:28, with the same conclusion that she *COULD* have been jailed. As she was in the middle of her post, I doubt she could have seen Wheats exact conclusion. So why is it OK for Wheat to come to that conclusion, but not Manders?
Also, this just looks, well BAD, to say the least.
I'm Confused Wheat? If I'm reading that correctly, you just jumped Manders for saying she couldn't have been roleblocked by a jailer, but then describe a jailer as someone who roleblocks?
Arn and Manders Roleblock notes are different. Granted they are both paraphrased so they don't get in trouble. Something else to think about.
@ Arn. You said you targetted Zen because he was the only person you had a "cohesive scumhunt" on. What did you mean by that? I just went looking back at several of your posts, and didn't find anything that was remotely cohesive or definitive on Zen. I know you were looking for ties to Manders at one point, but really that's about all I could see.
Bleh, too tired to finish, I can't think anymore. This will have to do for now.
At one point I tried to build a case against Zenjo for targeting three people who we believed to be town, thus making him scum. Let me find it.
Part of my case against Zenjo: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8131627&postcount=618
Manders, you said not to draw conclusions until people flip.
Well, Artifice just flipped town.
Chickenfish just flipped town.
If you believe I am town, then Zenjo is targeting three different town in his first post.
Does this mean scum, or does it mean noob?
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So we have Arnnaria, who is towntelling/dumbtelling like mad.
He's going back and forth with Manders, who is doing some classic flailing. She breadcrumbed way too hard yesterday, and now today she's jumped off from voting her counterclaim. The only way I can see Manders as town is if we have a town roleblocker, but if we have a town roleblocker, then that's at least four town PRs right there and I'm absolutely not buying that.
Foxlet is just trying to solve this.
Meanwhile, Wheat_Grinder is nearly-confirmed town.
Finally, there's a pile of people I need to read up on: Miracule, Zenjo, KittyCupCake, and EronTheRelentless.
Regardless of what power role Manders claims to be, she would make the town too powerful to be balanced.
Vote Manders.
MandersHex (2): Wheat_Grinder, Seppel
Wheat_Grinder (2): MandersHex, EronTheRelentless
With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I was until WheatGrinder scum slipped like a pro.
Obviously not watching closely enough.
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She accepts the possibility of a Jailer but insists that she was RB'd, not Jailed:
I was thinking it was possible he targeted me as well which, if I was jailed, would...oh wait.
No, since he claimed Tracker, he still would have been able to target me. I just can't be killed while jailed.
Then, yeah, I could have been jailed or RBd. But Arnnaria knowing the RB flavor either means he did it, or he was also RBd.
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I wouldn't put too much into this idea. -If the scum have a rolecop AND a roleblocker, we need something above the norm to balance that. Plus, it's Iso.
How so? -I'm not seeing it.
the RB counterclaim could, at best, get Arn mislynched. When Arn flips town, MH is shown to be lying, and gets lynched/vigged. 1 for 1 trade is a bad play for scum. I think MH is smart enough to not suicide like this for no reason.
with only 2 scum left, one who performed the NK (likely on Art) and one who RBed Arn, this is impossible.
then she must have been jailed or RBed by town. The setup then is: Scum have a rolecop and RBer, Town have Vig, Tracker, Jailer/RBer, and whatever MH is. -It's a little power heavy for a basic, but not unreasonable.
then MH was jailed/RBed by town. But, since Arn claimed the RB flavor correctly before MH said anything about it, this is basically impossible.
then he knows the RB claim will be CCed. At best, he holds his ground and gets MH mislynched. Then, when MH flips town, he is shown to be lying and gets lynched/vigged. 1 for 1 trade is bad for the scum. -I'm not sure if Arn knows that this is a bad idea yet, but his scumbuddy and/or mentor likely would have informed him that this was stupid.
Plus, this would means the scum have a rolecop AND a RBer, and the town has no info roles to balance.
So, considering both of those, I find this very unlikely.
then MH was jailed/RBed by Town. And Arn was RBed by scum. It makes the game a little power heavy, but it's not unreasonable.
-So, I believe them both. I think they are both acting like they were truly RBed (MH's CC reaction was very sincere, and Arn's semi-confusion seemed genuine) and neither of their play makes much sense from scum anyway. And yes, this would mean the game is a bit power heavy, but it's not that bad, especially for Iso.
KCC - in your opinion is it possible that the are both scum? One being a roleblocker and able to share the flavor in scumchat?
That'd be an interesting gambit. -Though we'd still be short an info role without Arn as Tracker.
Nothing else to say but "wow".
Read his posts today, then.
Where are you going with this?