Ah, I didn't think about that. Um, I guess the numbers don't add up, but it gets pretty close to a lynch.
A tip then, for later games: The scum aren't the last people on the wagon all the time. Not even commonly, as the hammer is scrutinized if the person flips town.
Plus, if the scum dive on a bad wagon and it's not lylo, then they'll be lynched the next day.
A tip then, for later games: The scum aren't the last people on the wagon all the time. Not even commonly, as the hammer is scrutinized if the person flips town.
Plus, if the scum dive on a bad wagon and it's not lylo, then they'll be lynched the next day.
I'll keep that in mind. Again, that's just my interpretation of the events. I've been known to misconstrue what Manders sees, so take it with a grain of salt.
The Artifice kill is a little surprising to me, so I looked through his posts to try and see who would want to kill him. The only common thread was Zenjo. The other big candidate was ChickenFish, but with him being dead and all... Out of 13 posts, at least 3 discussed Zenjo.
So, this is what I've been thinking about the death of Art. It also has bearing on the current situation. Yes, Art placed in and still hadn't posted a TON of content up to the point of his NK. I was a bit surprised myself until I started thinking of who all is left in our "party".
I was thinking, that at least one of the 2 mafia who is left is probably one of the experienced players who has played with Art before. So, Seppel, Manders, WG or KKC.
Just because Art hadn't posted much YET, didn't mean he wouldn't later. In a basic full of in experienced players, it would be good to take out Art (someone who they could see as a later threat). Then RB Arn, since everyone was assuming he was tracker.
If there's really a Jailer then it's not the most helpful PR in the world. If it would confirm 3 townies, it's definitely worth it.
So, apparently Sep, Arn and WG all think it's worth PR to do early claims? Just to "Prove" your towniness.
Arn, You said you were on board with Sep's idea (as he was the originator of the idea). You DO realize if someone claimed that could easily get them RB or NK the next night? Do you really think that's best for the town? (Hint: Just like you were RB the first night because you claimed tracker)
@ WG and Sep, you guys have played WAY longer, I can't even believe you would throw this idea out there as being good for the town.
Arn, You said you were on board with Sep's idea (as he was the originator of the idea). You DO realize if someone claimed that could easily get them RB or NK the next night? Do you really think that's best for the town? (Hint: Just like you were RB the first night because you claimed tracker)
I dunno, I agreed with it at the time.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe more TRUTHFUL information benefits the town and more UNTRUTHFUL information benefits the scum.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe more TRUTHFUL information benefits the town and more UNTRUTHFUL information benefits the scum.
And you would be correct, however in this instance I believe its more along the lines of keeping a secret safe so town PR can keep doing what they are (hopefully) doing....without being roleblocked.
Besides, do you think the scum would tell the truth when all the town are being so honest with PR claims
And you would be correct, however in this instance I believe its more along the lines of keeping a secret safe so town PR can keep doing what they are (hopefully) doing....without being roleblocked.
Besides, do you think the scum would tell the truth when all the town are being so honest with PR claims
Duly noted. I've always had a problem keeping my mouth shut.
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Uhh... I just did a whole block of actual analysis. You know, on the situation rather than on trying to out possible PRs. -Any comments on where that logic fails? Because it points heavily towards them both being town without anyone else needing to claim.
So, apparently Sep, Arn and WG all think it's worth PR to do early claims? Just to "Prove" your towniness.
@ WG and Sep, you guys have played WAY longer, I can't even believe you would throw this idea out there as being good for the town.
Look at it as a whole:
Manders is only town if there's a Jailer. If she's scum, then she's lying about the RB.
We can confirm Manders either with a Jailer or by lynching her. Confirming her will help to confirm several other people.
Next, I at least don't find Jailers particularly useful. The best people to shoot are PRs, but to protect the PRs, they have to be RB'd by the Jailer.
If we can confirm Manders as town at the expense of a the Jailer, we can confirm like 3 different people as town on top of it. Will scum RB and kill them? Yes. But, better that we know where the kills are going, and we also become many times more likely to lynch scum.
If there's no Jailer, then Manders is scum. It's that easy.
I've already shown how WG is scum. why are you people not voting for him?!
His interactions with BM/marr really don't fit with him being scum. Plus, his "slip" isn't bad at all. -Arn is a claimed Tracker, so it's not surprising if WG has him written off as town.
If there's really a Jailer then it's not the most helpful PR in the world. If it would confirm 3 townies, it's definitely worth it.
If we have a RBer, then this is almost reasonable, though I still don't recommend it yet. But if it's a jailer, then I completely disagree -that's a fairly strong PR.
Again, without a Jailer it IS a dichotomy. However, since Manders is so convinced she's been roleblocked, if she does indeed flip town, I'm not so sure that you're scum.
-That's not what a dichotomy is, WG.
And could you walk me through the reasoning behind the bolded, because it's not making any sense to me.
I'm sure we'd figure that out by tomorrow. We could deal with it then. -And we're a solid day or two short of POE, so let's give any PRs at least another night to do something before we start massclaiming.
Leaning Town
Arn - Tracker. RBed.
MH - Jailed/RBed. Couldn't have NKed/RBed last night.
W_G - Good interactions D1
Eron - Good interactions D1
Foxlet - Good content, okay interactions D1
Seppel - Maybe Scum
Zenjo - Maybe Scum
Miracule - Low content. Bad interactions. Leaning Scum
Are we sure, though, that Arn isn't scum? I mean, sure, tracker can be a town role, but there's nothing saying he's not scum and his mentor helped him with the claim. Remember this?
He's been WIFOMing to try to deflect attention from himself and others (his scumbuddies?)
So you want to lynch a claimed power role, even when there are obviously better candidates?
I never said I didn't think Arnnaria was scum, I said we should lynch Chicken. Once we see Arnnaria's results on day 2, we can decide from there how we feel about him.
So much back and forth coaching here. "Hey, there is some doubt around Arn, let's play it up" "No, stop, that's so scummy. CF is a good mislynch too and we can deal with Arn tonight."
Manders is only town if there's a Jailer. If she's scum, then she's lying about the RB.
We can confirm Manders either with a Jailer or by lynching her. Confirming her will help to confirm several other people.
Okay, try looking at it this way:
Even if MH is scum, she would still have a scumbuddy. So we could still look for other scum today, and come back to her tomorrow, depending on night actions.
For example, if again tomorrow two people claim RBs, then we confirm MH AND the existence of a town jailer/RBer AND gave that PR another night to do useful actions AND no one had to claim.
-As opposed to outting a possible PR today for no reason.
-That's not what a dichotomy is, WG.
And could you walk me through the reasoning behind the bolded, because it's not making any sense to me.
It felt like a dichotomy earlier but not now, as I'm thinking Arnn is town regardless.
As for the bolded: I just tried to line up my logic and realized it was full of holes. I think it hinged on Manders being right about being RB'd, but she could easily have been jailed instead. (In fact, if she's town, that's the case as far as I can see it)
I'll just write down a full list so I can figure this out for my own sake.
Situation 1: Manders and Arnn are town, one RB'd, one Jailed.
Manders doesn't make a lot of sense to RB, as she was pretty heavily trying to draw the RB/NK. It would make more sense to RB the claimed Tracker. CONCLUSION: Manders was jailed.
Situation 2: Manders is town, Arnn is scum.
Scum RB'd (or town Jailed) Manders, Arnn is lying. I don't see any reason to go after Arnn until lylo, so this one will come out later if true.
Situation 3: Manders is scum, Arnn is town.
Scum RB'd (or town Jailed) Arnn, Manders is lying. I think this is the most likely outcome, and without a Jailer I can't see Manders as town.
Situation 4: Manders and Arnn are scum.
Best play ever if so. I just don't see it.
I would put Situation 3 as most likely, Situation 1 as next most likely. Situation 2 will be revealed later if true, and Situation 4 just doesn't make sense.
Conclusion: If there's a Jailer, Manders was probably jailed and she's probably town. If there ISN'T a Jailer, Manders is probably scum.
Even if MH is scum, she would still have a scumbuddy. So we could still look for other scum today, and come back to her tomorrow, depending on night actions.
For example, if again tomorrow two people claim RBs, then we confirm MH AND the existence of a town jailer/RBer AND gave that PR another night to do useful actions AND no one had to claim.
-As opposed to outting a possible PR today for no reason.
Eh, I guess that makes sense.
Unvote
I'll have to read more. Today is homework day though, and another set of midterms are around the corner (9th-12th). If I get through enough homework quick enough I should have enough time during the week, but if not...I'll have to just watch cases as they come up and judge from them until I get time again.
For example, if again tomorrow two people claim RBs, then we confirm MH AND the existence of a town jailer/RBer AND gave that PR another night to do useful actions AND no one had to claim.
-As opposed to outting a possible PR today for no reason.
:claps: thank you KItty for talking some sense into them
I don't like the blind tunneling that Mir did on Chicken, nor his unimpressive posts. Aside from that what reason do you have for voting him?
Also, thoughts on Seppel? He placed in, added to the discussion, but mostly sits back and tosses out tidbits of information. He frankly reminds me of Marr. Just a feeling.
I'll try to add to the discussion later when I'm not on my phone (assuming I finish my take home mid term)
Also, thoughts on Seppel? He placed in, added to the discussion, chose to lynch Marr over Manders, but mostly sits back and tosses out tidbits of information.
Anyway, going back to Manders taking people under her wing because they're new: I didn't notice that with me. As I stated early on, this is my first forum game. Yes, I've played in IRC. But that appears to have a totally different pacing and playstyle to forum mafia.
Given that, her proclivity towards very little content in posts, and the fact that Manders seems to be protecting those who figure on some player's scumlists, I'm going to say Manders is scum and unvote vote MandersHex accordingly.
KCC, I think I'm beginning to understand your way of thinking.
I'm pretty sure Manders and I are both town. Well, I'm sure I'm town. I'm pretty sure Manders is town.
How we both got roleblocked with the same flavor is for more adept mafia players to explain.
But I guess that leaves me questioning Zenjo. I've seen a few votes on Miracule. Does anyone want to explain that case to me? Or is it just a process of elimination vote?
So much back and forth coaching here. "Hey, there is some doubt around Arn, let's play it up" "No, stop, that's so scummy. CF is a good mislynch too and we can deal with Arn tonight."
[/spoiler] Unvote Vote Miracule
Umm what? Then wouldn't Arn have been killed at night?
I have my own thoughts about you Mir, that have you leaning potentially town after night one.
I'd like to hear what everyone elses "case" is on you before I mention it since again, it's just something I thought of after N1.
As for the quote above, I think the mafia killed Art and RB Arn. (But that's just me totally guessing of course).
I would also like to see some additional info on Miracule. The only thing I'm picking up on is lack of content in his posts. Also the most recent Miracule post didn't help the matter.
At this point I wasn't thinking Seppel as scum, more neutral to me. I would like to know your thoughts behind this statement though.
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FYI to anyone who may be considering this: there's no way Seppel is mafia. 0% chance.
I'm still working on my test, but I needed to take a breather for a sec.
I'm a bit neutral on Sep at the moment. My biggest issue is that pretty much *NO ONE* is looking hard at him. All the slight distrust of Gigas went poof as soon as Sep stepped onto the picture. Art would have pushed for a lynch of Gigas (had not Sep replaced in)....Manders and Eron both said they didnt like Gigas, but Sep is just fine!
I'm not necessarily trying to push a wagon on him because god knows I'd lose that fight, I just want a few others to start looking at everyone else instead of putting the spotlight on a few.
0% chance of Mafia? How can you know that for 100% absolute certainty Manders? Unless one of you have inside knowledge?
FYI to anyone who may be considering this: there's no way Seppel is mafia. 0% chance.
Seppel is playing as Seppel. I think I might have figured out how to read him from Kitteh Trek, but I haven't gotten around to looking in-depth at his posts yet.
The only thing you have to know to know Seppel is town is his rules on how to play as Mafia effectively. Rule #1 is "Always kill power roles." I breadcrumbed like a champ and Arnnaria claimed power, but we're both alive. Seppel is not mafia. Confirmed town ftw!!
I would go find the quote for you, but that'll help the scum team, so I won't. Just trust me. He's town.
"Hey, there is some doubt around Arn, let's play it up"
"No, stop, that's so scummy. CF is a good mislynch too and we can deal with Arn tonight."
[/spoiler] Unvote Vote Miracule
Are you voting for me for just this? I feel like there has to be more. Because you know, it's town play to not lynch power roles. To say that it's scummy that I changed my mind after he claimed is like... I don't know how to explain it, but it's really only scummy if you look at it like it's scummy, you know? Which is why I think there should be more to your case, and I think you should present that.
Right now, there are about five people I'm suspicious of. I am confident in an Arnnaria+Chickenfish team, but their plus one is either Marr965 (guy or girl btw?), Gamora, or Eron.
I'll start off by explaining the relations between Arn and Chicken, and come back to the others later. Probably day 2, when we see the lynches alignment.
I think this one has been covered by itself pretty thoroughly. Fence sitting isn't good. Self-meta. Pre-emptive defense for said sitting.
But in conjunction with :
This wouldn't be so bad, but you literally provided exactly one and a half reasons for him to be your vote. Really, really shaky.
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ErontheRelentless - been actively trying to find cracks in the dam, but without scumhunting himself.
This here is interesting. It seems like Chicken is trying to point out some inconsistencies in logic. But in a really friendly way! Also, I like how the leading question at the end is basically an answer to the question itself. If a townie has major differences in perception of people, they will think you are scum, and that's why the vote is valid, though not necessarily telling.
Also Chicken, remember how there was that whole thing where KCC was voting for you and you wanted to know why. And even though you majorly disagreed with her actions, you still thought she was town. This seems pretty familiar!
You two are working hard at not making any enemies
In the above quotes you had him listed as town. Not leaning town. Town.
I'm too tired to keep doing PBPA sorry. There was some more stuff that I encourage people to look at. Arnnaria had some strange votes around page 20 to present, voting and unvoting chickenfish for weird reasons. Also, Arnnaria also asked some leading questions to Chickenfish right after his 'lynch me' post. I would not even be a smidgen surprised if these two have daytalk.
Again, I think there is basically no way we shouldn't lynch Chickenfish today. He agrees with me, just ask him. Arnnaria would be my number two pick, though.
Also, I realized I placed my vote without blue last time, so in case it didn't count
UNVOTE VOTE CHICKENFISH
This appears to be the closest thing to a list that you've put together in around the last 20 (15ppp) pages.
Are you voting for me for just this? I feel like there has to be more. Because you know, it's town play to not lynch power roles. To say that it's scummy that I changed my mind after he claimed is like... I don't know how to explain it, but it's really only scummy if you look at it like it's scummy, you know? Which is why I think there should be more to your case, and I think you should present that.
Arn can't be a town PR and scum. Yet you repeatedly refer to him as both. -You can't be confident that he is scum while not wanting to lynch him for being a town PR. It doesn't work, he's one or the other.
To say that it's scummy that I changed my mind after he claimed is like... I don't know how to explain it, but it's really only scummy if you look at it like it's scummy, you know?
It wouldn't be scummy if you had actually changed your mind, as you're claiming here; saying "Oh, he's the Tracker, oops," would have been fine. But that's not what you did. At all. -You said you were still confident in his scumminess and that he was still your number two pick for lynch, while at the same time trying to act town by saying "lynching PRs is bad." -And it's especially telling that you said it while gently elbowing Marr in the ribs.
Mostly. There's other little things too though. Like this:
Arn can't be a town PR and scum. Yet you repeatedly refer to him as both. -You can't be confident that he is scum while not wanting to lynch him for being a town PR. It doesn't work, he's one or the other.
And if it's "town play to not lynch power roles," why was Arn still your number two pick to lynch?
It wouldn't be scummy if you had actually changed your mind, as you're claiming here; saying "Oh, he's the Tracker, oops," would have been fine. But that's not what you did. At all. -You said you were still confident in his scumminess and that he was still your number two pick for lynch, while at the same time trying to act town by saying "lynching PRs is bad." -And it's especially telling that you said it while gently elbowing Marr in the ribs.
I. (#31) No Vote
II. (#102) No Vote
III. (#184) No Vote
IV. (#207) No Vote
V. (#248) No Vote
VI. (#279) No Vote
VII. (#322) Chickenfish (confirmed town)
VIII. (#477) Chickenfish
IX. (#565) Chikenfish
X. (#794) Chickenfish
Lynch: (#827) Marr965 (confirmed scum; last vote)
XI. (#875) No Vote
XII. (#948) No Vote
***
That being said, I'm not voting until I see a vote count.
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Good thing you're likely town because this blatantly shows you're just trying to appease Seppel which, since he's town, could be a scumtell. If I wasn't so sure you were town, I would definitely call you on this.
Good thing you're likely town because this blatantly shows you're just trying to appease Seppel which, since he's town, could be a scumtell. If I wasn't so sure you were town, I would definitely call you on this.
Just so you know for future games.
Actually, it was kinda an ironic joke.
Seppel asks why I always ask questions and I respond with a question.
I guess mafia is such srs bsns there's no room for humor. Lol.:tongue:
Arn can't be a town PR and scum. Yet you repeatedly refer to him as both. -You can't be confident that he is scum while not wanting to lynch him for being a town PR. It doesn't work, he's one or the other.
And if it's "town play to not lynch power roles," why was Arn still your number two pick to lynch?
It wouldn't be scummy if you had actually changed your mind, as you're claiming here; saying "Oh, he's the Tracker, oops," would have been fine. But that's not what you did. At all. -You said you were still confident in his scumminess and that he was still your number two pick for lynch, while at the same time trying to act town by saying "lynching PRs is bad." -And it's especially telling that you said it while gently elbowing Marr in the ribs.
That was assuming Chickenfish would flip for scum. He didn't. I haven't said anything about lynching Arn day 2, have I?
Seppel asks why I always ask questions and I respond with a question.
I guess mafia is such srs bsns there's no room for humor. Lol.:tongue:
Oh, there's plenty of room for humor in Mafia. Hence all the jokes I've included. But you have to make it known it was a joke. As you did in this quoted post.
Ah, I didn't think about that. Um, I guess the numbers don't add up, but it gets pretty close to a lynch.
A tip then, for later games: The scum aren't the last people on the wagon all the time. Not even commonly, as the hammer is scrutinized if the person flips town.
Plus, if the scum dive on a bad wagon and it's not lylo, then they'll be lynched the next day.
I'll keep that in mind. Again, that's just my interpretation of the events. I've been known to misconstrue what Manders sees, so take it with a grain of salt.
So, this is what I've been thinking about the death of Art. It also has bearing on the current situation. Yes, Art placed in and still hadn't posted a TON of content up to the point of his NK. I was a bit surprised myself until I started thinking of who all is left in our "party".
I was thinking, that at least one of the 2 mafia who is left is probably one of the experienced players who has played with Art before. So, Seppel, Manders, WG or KKC.
Just because Art hadn't posted much YET, didn't mean he wouldn't later. In a basic full of in experienced players, it would be good to take out Art (someone who they could see as a later threat). Then RB Arn, since everyone was assuming he was tracker.
So, apparently Sep, Arn and WG all think it's worth PR to do early claims? Just to "Prove" your towniness.
Arn, You said you were on board with Sep's idea (as he was the originator of the idea). You DO realize if someone claimed that could easily get them RB or NK the next night? Do you really think that's best for the town? (Hint: Just like you were RB the first night because you claimed tracker)
@ WG and Sep, you guys have played WAY longer, I can't even believe you would throw this idea out there as being good for the town.
I dunno, I agreed with it at the time.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe more TRUTHFUL information benefits the town and more UNTRUTHFUL information benefits the scum.
And you would be correct, however in this instance I believe its more along the lines of keeping a secret safe so town PR can keep doing what they are (hopefully) doing....without being roleblocked.
Besides, do you think the scum would tell the truth when all the town are being so honest with PR claims
Duly noted. I've always had a problem keeping my mouth shut.
April Fool's. Carry on.
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HAHAHA. You jerk, I totally thought this was my first town win!
Ah well,
Vote Iso
Arnnaria sizes up Iso, peeved at the misleading statement.
They line up, circling each other slowly.
Iso finally darts towards Arnnaria, knife in hand!
Iso slashes at Arnnaria, but Arnnaria dodges.
Arnnaria catches Iso by the collar and throws him to the ground. He takes his hand and rams it into Iso's throat.
Iso's trachea is crushed.
Iso was killed. He was Iso, The Damn Moderator.
"Bastard," muttered Arnnaria.
Official Votecount:
MandersHex (2): Wheat_Grinder, Seppel
Wheat_Grinder (2): MandersHex, EronTheRelentless
Zenjo (1): Arnnaria
With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
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And if there is no town roleblocker or jailer?
What then?
WHAT THEN?
WHAT THEN?
We are seriously coming down to process of elimination.
Look at it as a whole:
Manders is only town if there's a Jailer. If she's scum, then she's lying about the RB.
We can confirm Manders either with a Jailer or by lynching her. Confirming her will help to confirm several other people.
Next, I at least don't find Jailers particularly useful. The best people to shoot are PRs, but to protect the PRs, they have to be RB'd by the Jailer.
If we can confirm Manders as town at the expense of a the Jailer, we can confirm like 3 different people as town on top of it. Will scum RB and kill them? Yes. But, better that we know where the kills are going, and we also become many times more likely to lynch scum.
If there's no Jailer, then Manders is scum. It's that easy.
WHOO! Zombie hi-fives all around!
Awww.
Man I knew that guy wasn't town.
I'll take the bait, why?
/barn
His interactions with BM/marr really don't fit with him being scum. Plus, his "slip" isn't bad at all. -Arn is a claimed Tracker, so it's not surprising if WG has him written off as town.
If we have a RBer, then this is almost reasonable, though I still don't recommend it yet. But if it's a jailer, then I completely disagree -that's a fairly strong PR.
-That's not what a dichotomy is, WG.
And could you walk me through the reasoning behind the bolded, because it's not making any sense to me.
I'm sure we'd figure that out by tomorrow. We could deal with it then. -And we're a solid day or two short of POE, so let's give any PRs at least another night to do something before we start massclaiming.
Leaning Town
Arn - Tracker. RBed.
MH - Jailed/RBed. Couldn't have NKed/RBed last night.
W_G - Good interactions D1
Eron - Good interactions D1
Foxlet - Good content, okay interactions D1
Seppel - Maybe Scum
Zenjo - Maybe Scum
Miracule - Low content. Bad interactions.
Leaning Scum
So much back and forth coaching here. "Hey, there is some doubt around Arn, let's play it up" "No, stop, that's so scummy. CF is a good mislynch too and we can deal with Arn tonight."
Okay, try looking at it this way:
Even if MH is scum, she would still have a scumbuddy. So we could still look for other scum today, and come back to her tomorrow, depending on night actions.
For example, if again tomorrow two people claim RBs, then we confirm MH AND the existence of a town jailer/RBer AND gave that PR another night to do useful actions AND no one had to claim.
-As opposed to outting a possible PR today for no reason.
It felt like a dichotomy earlier but not now, as I'm thinking Arnn is town regardless.
As for the bolded: I just tried to line up my logic and realized it was full of holes. I think it hinged on Manders being right about being RB'd, but she could easily have been jailed instead. (In fact, if she's town, that's the case as far as I can see it)
I'll just write down a full list so I can figure this out for my own sake.
Situation 1: Manders and Arnn are town, one RB'd, one Jailed.
Manders doesn't make a lot of sense to RB, as she was pretty heavily trying to draw the RB/NK. It would make more sense to RB the claimed Tracker. CONCLUSION: Manders was jailed.
Situation 2: Manders is town, Arnn is scum.
Scum RB'd (or town Jailed) Manders, Arnn is lying. I don't see any reason to go after Arnn until lylo, so this one will come out later if true.
Situation 3: Manders is scum, Arnn is town.
Scum RB'd (or town Jailed) Arnn, Manders is lying. I think this is the most likely outcome, and without a Jailer I can't see Manders as town.
Situation 4: Manders and Arnn are scum.
Best play ever if so. I just don't see it.
I would put Situation 3 as most likely, Situation 1 as next most likely. Situation 2 will be revealed later if true, and Situation 4 just doesn't make sense.
Conclusion: If there's a Jailer, Manders was probably jailed and she's probably town. If there ISN'T a Jailer, Manders is probably scum.
Eh, I guess that makes sense.
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I'll have to read more. Today is homework day though, and another set of midterms are around the corner (9th-12th). If I get through enough homework quick enough I should have enough time during the week, but if not...I'll have to just watch cases as they come up and judge from them until I get time again.
Unvote, vote Miracule.
:claps: thank you KItty for talking some sense into them
I don't like the blind tunneling that Mir did on Chicken, nor his unimpressive posts. Aside from that what reason do you have for voting him?
Also, thoughts on Seppel? He placed in, added to the discussion, but mostly sits back and tosses out tidbits of information. He frankly reminds me of Marr. Just a feeling.
I'll try to add to the discussion later when I'm not on my phone (assuming I finish my take home mid term)
Fixed that for you.
...wait a minute.
KCC, I think I'm beginning to understand your way of thinking.
How we both got roleblocked with the same flavor is for more adept mafia players to explain.
But I guess that leaves me questioning Zenjo. I've seen a few votes on Miracule. Does anyone want to explain that case to me? Or is it just a process of elimination vote?
Umm what? Then wouldn't Arn have been killed at night?
I have my own thoughts about you Mir, that have you leaning potentially town after night one.
I'd like to hear what everyone elses "case" is on you before I mention it since again, it's just something I thought of after N1.
As for the quote above, I think the mafia killed Art and RB Arn. (But that's just me totally guessing of course).
Fantastic defense.
I would also like to see some additional info on Miracule. The only thing I'm picking up on is lack of content in his posts. Also the most recent Miracule post didn't help the matter.
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At this point I wasn't thinking Seppel as scum, more neutral to me. I would like to know your thoughts behind this statement though.
I'm still working on my test, but I needed to take a breather for a sec.
I'm a bit neutral on Sep at the moment. My biggest issue is that pretty much *NO ONE* is looking hard at him. All the slight distrust of Gigas went poof as soon as Sep stepped onto the picture. Art would have pushed for a lynch of Gigas (had not Sep replaced in)....Manders and Eron both said they didnt like Gigas, but Sep is just fine!
I'm not necessarily trying to push a wagon on him because god knows I'd lose that fight, I just want a few others to start looking at everyone else instead of putting the spotlight on a few.
0% chance of Mafia? How can you know that for 100% absolute certainty Manders? Unless one of you have inside knowledge?
I like you all, but I don't trust any of you
Though yeah, that was a really bad defense.
Seppel is playing as Seppel. I think I might have figured out how to read him from Kitteh Trek, but I haven't gotten around to looking in-depth at his posts yet.
I would go find the quote for you, but that'll help the scum team, so I won't. Just trust me. He's town.
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Are you voting for me for just this? I feel like there has to be more. Because you know, it's town play to not lynch power roles. To say that it's scummy that I changed my mind after he claimed is like... I don't know how to explain it, but it's really only scummy if you look at it like it's scummy, you know? Which is why I think there should be more to your case, and I think you should present that.
This appears to be the closest thing to a list that you've put together in around the last 20 (15ppp) pages.
What are your reads now?
Mostly. There's other little things too though. Like this:
Arn can't be a town PR and scum. Yet you repeatedly refer to him as both. -You can't be confident that he is scum while not wanting to lynch him for being a town PR. It doesn't work, he's one or the other.
And if it's "town play to not lynch power roles," why was Arn still your number two pick to lynch?
It wouldn't be scummy if you had actually changed your mind, as you're claiming here; saying "Oh, he's the Tracker, oops," would have been fine. But that's not what you did. At all. -You said you were still confident in his scumminess and that he was still your number two pick for lynch, while at the same time trying to act town by saying "lynching PRs is bad." -And it's especially telling that you said it while gently elbowing Marr in the ribs.
Thank you for elaborating.
Unvote Vote: Miracule
@ Batman: Vote Count, please?
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I. (#31) No Vote
II. (#102) No Vote
III. (#184) No Vote
IV. (#207) No Vote
V. (#248) No Vote
VI. (#279) No Vote
VII. (#322) Chickenfish (confirmed town)
VIII. (#477) Chickenfish
IX. (#565) Chikenfish
X. (#794) Chickenfish
Lynch: (#827) Marr965 (confirmed scum; last vote)
XI. (#875) No Vote
XII. (#948) No Vote
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That being said, I'm not voting until I see a vote count.
Wheat_Grinder - Eron
Zenjo - Arn
Miracule - KCC, Seppel, Manders
Wheat_Grinder (1): EronTheRelentless
Zenjo (1): Arnnaria
Miracule (3): KittyCupCake, Seppel, MandersHex
With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because I constantly need confirmation in this game or else I get really lost.
Miracule needs to either defend or claim, or my vote will switch very soon.
That better?
Also he should do both of those things.
Good thing you're likely town because this blatantly shows you're just trying to appease Seppel which, since he's town, could be a scumtell. If I wasn't so sure you were town, I would definitely call you on this.
Just so you know for future games.
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Actually, it was kinda an ironic joke.
Seppel asks why I always ask questions and I respond with a question.
I guess mafia is such srs bsns there's no room for humor. Lol.:tongue:
That was assuming Chickenfish would flip for scum. He didn't. I haven't said anything about lynching Arn day 2, have I?
So are you not claiming?
Oh, there's plenty of room for humor in Mafia. Hence all the jokes I've included. But you have to make it known it was a joke. As you did in this quoted post.
Why didn't you claim?
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Why don't you stop being concerned with me claiming, and start being concerned with whether or not I'm actually scum?
Do it or get lynched.
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