JCS' role could be any of several things. In one some ways, it seems sort of like a redirector or perhaps more accurately someone who uses others' roles, tying up HR and using his ability last night. On the other hand, the "reporter" and database speak towards a reporter-style role with a list of all or many of the rolenames (if this is the case, false cop is probably a godfather-thing or perhaps something else entirely). So I'm about what was going on there. All I know is that my ORIGINAL instinct - that Highroller had claimed his "scum brother's" role - is almost certainly wrong.
I defintely hope RafK's vote works, and also I await Axelrod's analysis.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I demand a vote count! (I'm sure it will be funny, unless I've hit the target in which case it will be cool)
And so that I don't need to keep doing this, can we just get a confirmation of the total number of starting roles in the game and the total number of roles remaining in the game?
Rafaelk shouts for the group to quiet down, so you can listen to his inspired poetry reading:
I once had a buddy named Kevin,
We were friends; a match made in heaven.
Then one day he went pyscho,
Killed the geko from Geico,
And had sex with some dude called Sven.
(The end)
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And so that I don't need to keep doing this, can we just get a confirmation of the total number of starting roles in the game and the total number of roles remaining in the game?
You will excuse me for not necessarily accepting the page 1 list as all-encompassing, given that you originally didn't list yourself on it after all...
Also, your poetry sucks.
Nonetheless, I guess that's all we're going to get out of you on this. If it turns out after all this that Kevin really is another "invisible" player, I will be seriously peeved.
Also, the poetry sucked. Really.
OK, so unless Az has stepped over the line from "twisted & evil" to "outright refusing to let us kill the SK", Kevin is definitely one of the last eight.
Given the huge effect the SK has had on this game (not just in terms of killing two mafia, but also killing several townies and generally being a focus of voting and discussion), I find it hard to believe the game would have worked too well without at least some extra kills from the SK getting in. Plus I think Az would probably power up the SK, he's aware that the role generally has it really tough and the flavour makes sense to have a strong SK.
What I'm getting at here is that the more I think about it, the more it seems likely that the SK would have nightkill immunity of some sort or other, to ensure they didn't catch a random kill early and tilt the game. Which brings us back to Axelrod and CF again. Wouldn't you know it.
Awaiting Axelrod's big revelations, then. Should be fun.
Well Carolina lost, and I'm depressed, and it's also after midnight. So I can't say everything I have to say just now, but I'll try to get something out there.
On Draygn_mage: so here's the main thing that got me looking back at him. Clearly there was suspicion on him right from the start of Day 3. This was the morning "Death Description"
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But oddly enough, Fayul's room is empty. Doesn't even look slept in, to tell the truth. Since he's not around, you take the opportunity to pry around.
A single word, pain-stakingly carved into the wall.
"Vengeance."
A collection of fine-looking coats. No weapons. You move on to Sorryguy's room. And here you find something a little more interesting.
Fayul, sprawled unmoving on the floor. His blood spilled all over the room, from a cut throat. Sorryguy, lying next to him, very pale, with his throat crushed to a pulp. No obvious weapons to be found in this room, either.
We have Fayul with cut throat and SorryGuy with crushed throat. Incidental evidence suggests Fayul was "Marv" due to the nice coats, no weapons and the word "vengence." Check?
In his first post of the morning, DM says nothing that would indicate he might have any knowledge of this unfortunate situation. Remember, as a townie, he would know that there was apparantly no mafia kill. Just Fayul's and his own. That might be important for the town to know. He'd already breadcrumbed his "Miho" role the day before. But his first post of the day was this:
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What the hell is an over-zealous vig? that sounds like a sk with the townie win condition.
What exactly is he trying to accomplish with this post? Create confusion over what happened during the night?
CropCircles reveals his subliminal claim before DM can post again, so we'll never know what else DM might have said. He accumulated 5 votes rather quickly and was immediately on the defensive. He then claimed:
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OK freeze. I am Miho. I am a bodyguard of sorts. I can choose a player to watch over then I can kill anyone who attacks them. I am most definitely a townie. I have been trying to watch over people I think the scum would want to kill and have been slightly dissappointed with the results. Night 1 I watched over fadeblue (seeing as how everyone wanted to kill him so badly in HS mafia) and nothing. Night 2 I tailed RafaelK and no one went after him. Night 3 I watched over SG and was treated to watching a large form enter his room and murder him. I reacted by killing the murderer. I didn't know it who it was till after I killed them.
So the basic claim appears to be, you can "watch" someone, and then, if someone kills the person you are watching, you can choose to kill the killer.
Immediate problems arise. The town had talked quite a bit about "testing" the mason claim of Chamber and SorryGuy by "vigging" one of them. Why would you assume that it was mafia who killed Fayul? DM's response:
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I thought the concessus was that the vig should go after chamber. I thought the scum were trying to get both masons the same night. When I read the description of SG's kill I thought I had caught scum for sure.
For some reason, he thought the town had agreed to go after Chamber (it hadn't). Plus, the "description" of the manner of Fayul's death was such that he didn't think a townie could have done it.
I assume he received this description in a PM from Azrael, yes?
Another problem, wait, why did you target someone on a "No Kill" night if your ability is only to kill killers? Response:
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I am a watcher first with the choice of killing anyone who kills the person I am watching.
So he's a "Watcher" first. He can watch, but also kill if the person he watches gets killed. With me?
Here's a crucial post. DM is still backpedaling as far as I can tell and seems to make a slip:
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Yes. I can get a description of ANYONE who targets them during the night, and what happens, and I can choose to kill one of the targeters if I choose. The way that SG was killed clinched it for me that he was scum-killed. I watched over SG as opposed to MJM because I thought the scum would have to be insane to go after MJM while he was being doc protected. I got the impression that most of the town was wanting the vig to hit chamber not SG. By putting myself in the shoes of the scum, I figured I had the best chance of killing one of them by watching SG. How was I to know that our vig would cut someone's throat and leave them choking on their own blood. I thought I caught someone evil.(bolding mine)
So, the reason you decided to kill Fayul, the terrible manner of death which you didn't think could belong to a townie was cutting the victim's throat?. Was that what Fayul did to SorryGuy?
Actually no. That's what you did to Fayul. Fayul didn't kill that way. Fayul apparently crushed SorryGuy's throat with his bare hands. So, how could you make a mistake like this? You said you got a PM from Az. You said the method of death was so bad that you believed the killer to be mafia. But the method you said he used, was not his actual method. It was your method.
Also, Hawkeye7 was a townie bodyguard.
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@JCS- NOT knowing why Hawkeye was killed by throwing stars makes me look SCUMMIER to you??? Dude, seriously, detox, then come back, 'cause that is some serious craplogic. If Hawkeye hadn't died yesterday, I was going to watch him last night.
Now you say you were planning to watch Hawkeye7? Why? Because you were suspicious of him? Why would you watch someone who you were suspicious of if your ability is:
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I can get a description of ANYONE who targets them during the night, and what happens, and I can choose to kill one of the targeters if I choose.
It seems to me you forgot what kind of watcher you were claiming to be for a minute here. You posted like you were the type who watches a person and sees who they target, as opposed to who targets them.
And then this:
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I'll third the motion that LJustus should claim. I'll hold my vote for now. More likely than not I'm dead as soon as we go to night anyway, but at least I might take a scum with me.
Now you appear to be claiming that you get to kill anyone who tries to kill you too. This ability keeps getting better and better doesn't it?
Why didn't he bodyguard the claimed Cop, MatJoe instead of SorryGuy? His answer:
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Until last night, I was under the impression that if a person was targetted by more than one other person, I would have to choose blindly which one to kill or let them both go. Now I know that I get descriptions of the players involved and a brief scene as to what they do to my target. I didn't want to accidentally kill the doc (who I figured would be protecting the cop). Make more sense now?
So now he's saying he didn't understand how the ability worked. He thought he could kill someone who only "targeted" his target, as opposed to actually killing his target. Which is, of course, completely different from what he said before.
So then he comes up with a "plan" to clear himself:
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I have the perfect way to clear me. I will protect Matjoeman tonight. If the scum kill me, then you don't have to worry about my claim 'cause I'll be dead. If they kill Matjoeman, I kill them (here's hoping they don't have a role-blocker). The doc protects anyone he wants to anonymously. The scum have to either attempt to kill me, matjoeman, or fire into the crowd. They run the risk of going 1-for-1 if they hit Matjoeman. They run the risk of Matjoeman catching one of them if they *don't* kill him. They run the usual risk of getting screwed by doc protection anyway regardless of what they do.
It was known at the time that the scum had a role-blocker. It was used on Hawkeye7 Night 1 and 2. He claimed it. He was also dead and known townie. Townie Bodyguard.
Next Night DM claimed he watched MatJoe. He also claimed he got "roleblocked." But he didn't claim that particular piece of information in his first post of the morning, did he?
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Mat you had better have good news for us today.
It's after this that Raf. revealed he watched DM, and that DM got NO MOD PM. DM then comes up with the Role-Block explanation:
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The way I read it, I get a PM if anyone targets my charge at all. however, either RafaelK is lying or the PM I got didn't count towards his ability. I got a PM telling me that I got no results last night. So apparently the scum have a role-blocker? I thought we knew who was forcing Hawkeye to vote for random people?
Now, if the scum "role-blocked" you. Why didn't they KILL MatJoe right then? What on earth was the point of role-blocking you otherwise? Also, why are you making it a question? You are acting here like you aren't even sure that you were role-blocked. And yet later, you clarify even further:
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According to my PM I got a note telling me my ability was blocked.
So there was no question at all then. Right.
There's more, but this is already longer then I meant for it to be, and I have to go to bed.
'Night folks.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well Carolina lost, and I'm depressed, and it's also after midnight. So I can't say everything I have to say just now, but I'll try to get something out there.
On Draygn_mage: so here's the main thing that got me looking back at him. Clearly there was suspicion on him right from the start of Day 3. This was the morning "Death Description"
Good a place to start as any I suppose
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We have Fayul with cut throat and SorryGuy with crushed throat. Incidental evidence suggests Fayul was "Marv" due to the nice coats, no weapons and the word "vengence." Check?
Recall that I had not seen the movie yet at this point and had no idea what the evidence suggested.
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In his first post of the morning, DM says nothing that would indicate he might have any knowledge of this unfortunate situation. Remember, as a townie, he would know that there was apparantly no mafia kill. Just Fayul's and his own. That might be important for the town to know. He'd already breadcrumbed his "Miho" role the day before. But his first post of the day was this:
What exactly is he trying to accomplish with this post? Create confusion over what happened during the night?
Considering the reception that WOLG got last game, would YOU have been eager to tell the town you were a mis-firing vig? I figured by not saying anything I might be able to try again that night and hit scum to even up my record. My first post was simply that- I still have no idea why a "over-eager vig" is anything but a SK with a townie win condition.
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CropCircles reveals his subliminal claim before DM can post again, so we'll never know what else DM might have said. He accumulated 5 votes rather quickly and was immediately on the defensive. He then claimed:
So the basic claim appears to be, you can "watch" someone, and then, if someone kills the person you are watching, you can choose to kill the killer.
I didn't want to give away my entire role at once. If the scum thought they could target my target with something OTHER than a kill then I might get lucky there. It wasn't in the town's best interest to reveal my whole role. With all the weird roles we had seen so far (namely DYH) I figured the scum had a good set of abilities to counter us.
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Immediate problems arise. The town had talked quite a bit about "testing" the mason claim of Chamber and SorryGuy by "vigging" one of them. Why would you assume that it was mafia who killed Fayul? DM's response:
For some reason, he thought the town had agreed to go after Chamber (it hadn't). Plus, the "description" of the manner of Fayul's death was such that he didn't think a townie could have done it.
True
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I assume he received this description in a PM from Azrael, yes?
Yes. Pre-emptive rebuttal- I still hadn't seen the movie yet, so the descriptions of the people involved meant nothing to me. I only saw a brutal murder and reacted.
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Another problem, wait, why did you target someone on a "No Kill" night if your ability is only to kill killers? Response:
So he's a "Watcher" first. He can watch, but also kill if the person he watches gets killed. With me?
Again, I was trying to withold as much info about my role as possible. I wasn't COMPLETELY useless yet if I could still get the scum to believe that only a kill would trigger my ability.
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Here's a crucial post. DM is still backpedaling as far as I can tell and seems to make a slip:
So, the reason you decided to kill Fayul, the terrible manner of death which you didn't think could belong to a townie was cutting the victim's throat?. Was that what Fayul did to SorryGuy?
Actually no. That's what you did to Fayul. Fayul didn't kill that way. Fayul apparently crushed SorryGuy's throat with his bare hands. So, how could you make a mistake like this? You said you got a PM from Az. You said the method of death was so bad that you believed the killer to be mafia. But the method you said he used, was not his actual method. It was your method.
Ok. The basic dilemma is still there. I watched some guy choke on his own blood and thought "that doesn't seem to be a very nice way to kill someone." All I had to go by was my role PM which stated that I killed cleanly unless I was angry. (I'm not quoting it even though its straight from the movie.)
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Also, Hawkeye7 was a townie bodyguard.
True. As far as the game of mafia is concerned, we have totally different MO's. Hawkeye was the kind of bodyguard that takes a bullet for someone. (Normally found in mafia games) I am something else entirely.
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Now you say you were planning to watch Hawkeye7? Why? Because you were suspicious of him? Why would you watch someone who you were suspicious of if your ability is:
It seems to me you forgot what kind of watcher you were claiming to be for a minute here. You posted like you were the type who watches a person and sees who they target, as opposed to who targets them.
No. YOU'RE forgetting what kind of watcher I am. I was planning to go back to the town and let them know if Hawkeye was telling the truth. I had no real reason to think that scum would be targetting him at that point, but if I could confirm him as telling the truth, then yay me.
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And then this:
Now you appear to be claiming that you get to kill anyone who tries to kill you too. This ability keeps getting better and better doesn't it?
At the time, I was trying to force the scum to go after someone else so I could hit them. No scum wants to trade one-for-one when they can just make the town doubt me and get them to lynch me.
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Why didn't he bodyguard the claimed Cop, MatJoe instead of SorryGuy? His answer:
So now he's saying he didn't understand how the ability worked. He thought he could kill someone who only "targeted" his target, as opposed to actually killing his target. Which is, of course, completely different from what he said before.
Changed tactics. Instead of making the mafia feel safe with killing anyone BUT my target, I tried to make them nervous about targetting ANYONE.
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So then he comes up with a "plan" to clear himself:
It was known at the time that the scum had a role-blocker. It was used on Hawkeye7 Night 1 and 2. He claimed it. He was also dead and known townie. Townie Bodyguard.
I don't buy it. Hawkeye clearly knew that he was being beaten up and told to vote for someone the next day. I got none of that, just no PM at all until I asked for it. If I had a ready-made roleblock to emulate, I could have just claimed to be beaten up and fake it by voting for someone.
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Next Night DM claimed he watched MatJoe. He also claimed he got "roleblocked." But he didn't claim that particular piece of information in his first post of the morning, did he?
Its morning, the person I was supposed to watch was still alive, and I still had no PM when I made my first post of the day. I had no clue what happened. I sent a PM to Az asking about it and posted in the thread.
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It's after this that Raf. revealed he watched DM, and that DM got NO MOD PM. DM then comes up with the Role-Block explanation:
Now, if the scum "role-blocked" you. Why didn't they KILL MatJoe right then? What on earth was the point of role-blocking you otherwise? Also, why are you making it a question? You are acting here like you aren't even sure that you were role-blocked. And yet later, you clarify even further:
So there was no question at all then. Right.
I got a PM from Az stating that my action was countered. I explained to the best of my ability what happened. I still don't know if this is a player controlled thing or something flavorful that happened because you all know I'm here now. On the other hand, it makes a kind of weird sense that the scum would role-block me and leave me and my charge alive to cast suspicion on me. Did they know about Raf at that point?
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There's more, but this is already longer then I meant for it to be, and I have to go to bed.
There's also the fact that you have a scummy, unverifiable roleclaim, and a rolename that doesn't seem to fit the pattern of rolenames we've seen so far.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Is this the endgame? We presumably have 8 players, 2 of which are scum, and approximately allied. This is the basic starting setup for a lot of newb games. Hardly an endgame. Or maybe you know something we don't?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Unfortunately, I left all my notes at my other computer this morning, so I can't follow up too much right now. Hopefully more tonight.
I do remember another point I was going to make though. If DM is telling the truth, the mafia have two role-blockers. Which seems very wrong.
Role-blocker #1, who I'm calling "role X" would be the blocker who also makes you vote for someone the following day, but you can immediately unvote. This blocker we know without question is mafia--he hit Hawkeye7 the first 2 days, and then MatJoe. (We also know it's not me for whatever that's worth, as Armlx "watched" me Night 1).
But then, there's this "other" role-blocker, who appears to have only hit DM for the entire game, but he's hit DM twice. The one who made his ability "fizzle" and whose "block" did not even merit a Night PM from Az.--only a clarification the next morning that he had been "countered." Where have the other blocks from this person gone?
Well, I call BS on that.
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Ok. The basic dilemma is still there. I watched some guy choke on his own blood and thought "that doesn't seem to be a very nice way to kill someone." All I had to go by was my role PM which stated that I killed cleanly unless I was angry.
LOL. The "basic" dilemma is still there? It's completely different from what you said. Did you "forget" that the person who killed SorryGuy didn't cut his throat? You said it was the method that convinced you the killer was anti-town. And then you said it was that he cut the guy's throat leaving him to drown in his own blood. It was in a PM from Az. Was that just a "mistake?"
And you actually had a note in your own role PM that your kill would be "clean?" So this "messy" kill looked more suspicious? That's ridiculous.
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On the other hand, it makes a kind of weird sense that the scum would role-block me and leave me and my charge alive to cast suspicion on me. Did they know about Raf at that point?
Oh yes, it makes sense. To cast suspicion on you they cleverly didn't kill the person you were guarding, even when they supposedly could have and he's a Cop. As opposed to killing him and leaving you to explain why you failed so miserably.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You can call BS on it all day. I don't have any more info to give you. If there is still a scum left, then I'm still useful. If not then the town can go ahead and lynch me because I only function at night and Kevin is a daykiller.
I buy a lot of what Axel is saying, but I would since I made a lot of that case originally (although it's a VERY nice pickup on the point that the kill method that draygn was allegedly pm'd doesn't match up with the actual kill method). The mystery of the "fizzled" roleblock that would have to have showed up several days in and has only been used on DM continues to be problematic for the case that DM is innocent, as does the fact that his kill doesn't even make much sense as a mis-fire, and the fact that he'd been gunning for Fayul the day before so it's quite the coincidence that Fayul happened to be the person he killed "by accident".
Against that, there's really only two things.
1) JCS appeared to gun for him, although I really should read back and see if JCS gunned for him when he was in danger or just as a distancing thing.
2) Miho claim. This is much, much weaker now as evidence. JCS claimed Lucille and was lying. cp is much more believably townie than DM due to the fadeblue thing, and has claimed Manute on the side of the town. DM is both very possibly lying about Miho, and alternately very possibly not townie even if Miho. What would be interesting is if DM is an SK of sorts (or was turned so by the eviction of Azrael/Dwight?). He even just said he had a thing about clean kills except when angry.
THe thing with the daykilling is the inconsistency. DYH, matjoe and JCS killed "Kevin style" although the ninja star in matjoe almost suggested Shredder or Miho more than Kevin. Similarly ninja stars on Hawkeye. And fadeblue was poisoned. It continues to suggest either multiple daykillers or someone who writes their own kills.
I think DM works as SK for sure, and also works as mafia if JCS wasn't actually trying to get him. There's a lot of evidence to suggest he's a liar. There's a lot which makes more sense if he's lying (ie. the "fizzle" roleblock, his kill and perhaps other daykills). There's not a lot dm can point to as evidence of townieness except that his claimed kill of a townie was done in the style of Miho.
I can buy into bandwagons on either DM or CF right now because I think lynching either is a good move. I think one's our SK and one's a remaining mafia, and if there's a second remaining mafia then it's probably Rhino. Obviously future events could mess me up on that, but that's my opinion right now.
There's a bandwagon of three right now on CF, and 0 on DM. I suppose it would be simpler in the circumstances to lynch CF than to convince y'all to get on the DM train with me and Axel.
Actually, I thought you and JCS were in it together because you guys were both attacking me so vehemently. I'm glad to see that I was right about at least one of you.
I'm kind of worried about the AS thing. I stand by the fact that it makes sense flavorwise for Kevin to come back good to investigation due to eating his victims and and stuff.
I'm starting to think that with JCS gone (seems like a role-blocker) that I may be able to be active again tonight. If not, you guys may as well lynch me tomorrow.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
It's not so much that as I haven't quite finished saying everything I meant to say yet. He's definitely a target.
I think part of my "case" against him, in addition to what CropCircles did, is found in post #1072.
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I'm not sure how far I'm going to trust DM, because I find it hard to believe that he'd do that bad townie-play. But the subliminal claim does make him look better, as does the quickness of the wagon. Also, by reading the wiki entry, I got the impression Miho would be more townie in this game. But also after reading the wiki entry, I think it should be quite clear the kill method doesn't mean a thing in this game. I guess a FoS draygn_mage is in order but I'm not sure enough to turn it into a vote. Especially in the situation we're in.
Btw, if we had a vig kill and a bodyguard kill last night, where's the mafia kill?
Oh, and I'm not from TMNT. I think the ones who claimed the green comic could confirm that true or untrue though, so we wouldn't have to go through everyone.
And yeah, got sarnathed by Axel with the scum kill mystery I see.
Again, this makes it sould like you are "from" somewhere, since you can say with such specificity that you're NOT from TMNT. But it turns out you're the "Street Bum?"
There was something else too, but I still got to check my notes.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I can buy into bandwagons on either DM or CF right now because I think lynching either is a good move. I think one's our SK and one's a remaining mafia, and if there's a second remaining mafia then it's probably Rhino. Obviously future events could mess me up on that, but that's my opinion right now.
There's a bandwagon of three right now on CF, and 0 on DM. I suppose it would be simpler in the circumstances to lynch CF than to convince y'all to get on the DM train with me and Axel.
vote CF
There's one thing I don't like about the CF Wagon: the "contradiction". A large part of the CF wagon is based upon his contradiction. The thing is, I could see myself as a generic townie (one of you is going to say "so you're not?" and I'll say "that's not what I meant :mad:" and you'll say "LALA amirite?!") saying what he said originally. Azrael said at the beginning of the game that traditional strategies wouldn't work. One of these strategies is induitably mass claiming. Therefore, anyone playing in this game would have a reason to be interested in how az would prevent mass claims from breaking the game. I do not see why not being a generic role would prevent you from being curious. That's like saying, "A townie would never be interested in the mafia's makeup!" Or rather, perhaps, that is the logical extension of the line of reasoning I see here.
Of course, despite this the eagerness of CF to claim a generic role and be cleared is suspicious. What are the chances of CropCircles guessing and finding one of the maybe 3 or 4? So I do think he has a good chance of being scum here; I just DON'T think that the line of reasoning that a generic townie had no reason to wonder about how breaking claims would be disabled is at all correct.
In terms of DM vs. CF, I don't feel good about either being town, although I feel that DM is more likely to be scum (partially just vibes, partially I think there's more evidence against DM). I think there are worse decisions we could make today than a CF bandwagon today.
But as we are 1 vote from a lynch I don't think I'll end the day, in case there's more talkin' to be done.
I totally previewed that. Weird.
I'll give Ax some more time since he appears to have more to say.
Rhinocero claimed he wasn't from TMNT too. #1073. Right after CF.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Rhinocero claimed he wasn't from TMNT too. #1073. Right after CF.
meaning that I'm not from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Frankly, I don't think your argument makes sense (commenting on your post here rather than editing it in). If you're from TMNT, you're probably a main character from that series. If you're not from TMNT, that just means you're not a main character. There's some people who AREN'T "from" anywhere. Like me, and, supposedly, Crippled_fist.
You're post, and CF's post, implied that you were a character from somewhere. This is consistent with what Einsteinmonkey said at the beginning of the game. It is not consistent with being an ex-con Geezer.
And your description of how your ability worked was fataly flawed.
That said, I'm concerned you all can't be mafia, because there's someone else I'm worried about (duh duh duhhhhhhhh). And I think that would make too many mafia if all you guys were scum.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
A quick look back reveals that actually a slip I was counting against CF was actually by Rhino (or actually by Einstein before Rhino replaced him). For some reason I'd been thinking that it was CF who had said something about not being sure if his character was in(and then turning out to not have a character name). That was actually Einstein/Rhino on day 1.
That said, CF's role-claim is still dodgy and I still find it hard to believe both he and Axel can both be telling the truth about their abilities, plus the "contradiction".
Rhino's defence of CF (while having a bit each way by still saying CF is scummy) might be telling. Last two scum?
I think CF is still the right lynch.
I'm happy to wait for Axelrod to finish his analysis, though. I don't think we're in a massive rush. Any incentive to finish early vanished once the daykill occurred.
So, another thing I'm trying to do is compile a list of actions taken by Night (as opposed to by "person"). Scum actions along with town actions which we could compare to what everyone has now claimed. See if everything fits or not.
Night 1 (the "No Kill" night)
Armlx "watched" Axelrod, who got no Mod. PM
Axelrod did nothing.
Carrion Pigeons did not target anyone.
"Dark Horse" posts his introductory message.
DM "watched" Fadeblue, who was not targeted.
DYH "blocks/watches" Fayul by locking in closet.
JC claims Doc protect on Puzzle.
Rafaelk "watched" Highroller, who got no Mod. PM
"Role X" (mafia) targeted Hawkeye7, role-blocking and vote-forcing him.
Day 1
Azrael votes for Highroller.
Einsteinmonkey (now Rhinocero) "forced" Chamber and SorryGuy to make Azrael vote for Highroller.
Daykiller kills DYH
DYH "resurrected" for one post. We think this was Cropcircles.
Night 2
Armlx watches Hawkeye7. Result was gnawed on bloody note. + eeire presence.
Axelrod hides. No one targets him.
Bateleur nightkilled.
Carrion Pigeons blocks Hawkeye7.
"Dark Horse" posts message to cast doubt on this.
DM watches Raf. No one targeted.
Highroller posts message that he is innocent.
JC claims to protect Fayul.
MatJoe investigates both Aurorasparrow and Azrael.
Raf. watched Aurorasparrow. Has not revealed results.
"Role X" targets Hawkeye7 again, role-block/vote force.
Day 2
Daykiller tries to kill MatJoe.
Hawkeye7 bodyguards Matjoe.
Night 3
No Night Posts from anyone.
Axelrod does not hide.
CP blocks Fadeblue Chamber receives a PM stating that he and SorryGuy were both attacked, he was knocked out, and when he woke up, SorryGuy was dead--post #1007 (DM has said nothing about this, of course).
DM watches SorryGuy, Kills Fayul.
Fayul kills SorryGuy.
JC claims protect on MatJoe
Matjoe investigates LJustus.
Raf. watches Ljustus. No Mod. PMs.
"Role X" apparently does not target anyone. This despite the fact that MatJoe was out in the open.
"Mafia" kill no one (if you believe DM).
Day 3
Daykiller kills Fadeblue. (via poisoning, which we haven't seen before or since)
Night 4
Axelrod does not hide.
Carrion Pigeons blocks WoLG.
CropCircles nightkilled.
Dark Horse posts a message.
DM watches MatJoe. Claims being blocked.
Highroller posts his analysis.
JC claims protect on Carrion PigeonsMatjoe blocked.
Raf. watched DM. No PM from Mod.
"Role X" blocks/vote-forces Matjoe.
Day 4
Day-killer kills Matjoe.
Night 5
Axelrod Hides. No one targets him.
Carrion Pigeons blocks CF.
Chamber nightkilled.
CF claims he received no Mod. PM.
DM watches Aurorasparrow. Claims he is blocked again.
Highroller posts (Hail Caesar!). Observes JC outside his door.
JC claims protect on Highroller.
Raf. watched CF. No PM from Mod.
"Role X" apparantly does not target anyone.
Day 5
Daykiller kills JC.
And that's where we are more or less right now. I think there are several rather interesting points to be made here. One of which I bolded.
Also, it's evident to me that JC was actually Dark Horse, and that he had another "targeting" ability along with his ability to night-post. Based on his death description, it seems like he might have had some kind of investigative ability.
So then, we look at everyone who is left alive who "might" have taken one of the action listed above that we don't know about. Who's left alive?
Now, forgive me for taking myself out at this point. I know I didn't do anything. And at the very least you know that I'm not "Role X" because Armlx watched me Night 1 when Role X was active, and I got no PM. I'll also take out Highroller, who's ability is self-evident. And Raf., who's ability was confirmed by Armlx as well as others.
Who could be "Role X?" I can't believe it's Aurorasparrow, and it's possible we have confirmation of this, since Raf. watched him on a Night Role X was active (Night 2).
Rhinocero also has an ability that's more or less "confirmed" by Chamber and SorryGuy. Used Day 1. So it seems less likely that he'd also have a role-block/vote force Night ability that he could use the same night. I can't completely rule it out, but it seems unlikely.
DM clearly killed Fayul. He admitted as much. Now this could have simply been the regular mafia Night kill, which would mean that DM probably wouldn't get to use any extra ability he might have. It's noteworthy that Role X apparently did nothing this night. But the next night seems to rule it out. Raf. watched DM and he got no Mod. PM. Role X blocked Matjoe for certain that night. So DM is not Role X.
3. Carrion Pigeons
8. Crippled_Fist
It must be one of these two. And when you really look at the night actions, I think it becomes obvious.
Carrion Pigeons is Role X. He is Manute. Who ties up people and tortures them. This is exactly what Hawkeye7 described as happening to him. Now CP admitted targeting Hawkeye Night 2, but denied it Night 1. The implication being that Hawkeye7 was "double-targeted" Night 2. But Hawkeye7 himself said nothing about that.
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I’m getting pretty tired of having somebody’s trained gorilla use me for a play toy, then leave me tied up all night with instructions to vote: Rafaelk
or take a dirt nap. Muss me up once, shame on you. Muss me up twice and you have to watch your back from now on. I don’t know why you want me to vote for Raffie and I don’t know why you didn’t put this old dog down when you twice had the chance. Your mistake pal.
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Last night the same tough guy catches up with me, knocks me around, ties me up and tells me to vote for you again or die and I’m wonderin what you think about that.
That's Manute's MO, as admitted by Carrion Pigeons. And Hawkeye said nothing about being hit by two separate people. It's pretty clear it's the same thing that happened Night 1.
Look at CP's other Night actions. Night 3 he claims a block on Fadeblue (obviously if they are in it together, Fade won't counter this--I'll also say more about this later).
Night 4--WOLG. Again, someone who won't counter him.
Night 5--Crippled Fist. Who has countered him, but is under strong suspicion of being the Day-killer.
The town had a role-blocker this game. It was DYH. If CP is telling the truth, then we had 2 role-blockers, which seems almost as unlikely to me as the mafia having 2 blockers.
Why would CP "out" Fadeblue though? That's what's got him as cleared to so many. Seems like a very stupid play for a mafia to make, to give up one of their own like that (and the "leader" to boot.) But let's remember the circumstances. This was right after DM was caught in his subliminal claim and admitted killing Fayul. He was on the hot-seat. Really on the hot-seat. It is entirely possible that the mafia saw this and decided on a gambit. Mafia get day communication remember. They can coordinate these things. If it looks like one of you is going down anyway, why not give someone up in a way that makes at least 2 others look better.
By "outing" fadeblue, CP not only cleared himself, but gave DM cover. Everyone assumed fadeblue had done the Night-kill and been blocked. That meant there was no mafia kill. That meant that DM's claim suddenly looked a hell of a lot better.
Risky play? Perhaps. But a calculated risk. Especially if it looked like one of them was going down anyway. I see nothing that confirms CP, and a lot of incriminating stuff at this point. I think all his claimed actions fit perfectly with him actually being Role X.
Wow. It's getting late again. Got to stop for now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Now, forgive me for taking myself out at this point. I know I didn't do anything. And at the very least you know that I'm not "Role X" because Armlx watched me Night 1 when Role X was active, and I got no PM. I'll also take out Highroller, who's ability is self-evident. And Raf., who's ability was confirmed by Armlx as well as others.
There is evidence for you on this list, but as for Raf and Highroller, we have no reason to believe they don't have extra abilities. In fact, if your speculation about jcs is accurate, we have substantial reason to believe that Highroller has another, major ability. It's perfectly possible that Raf has a second ability as well; we never found anything concrete about armlx's full role.
Who could be "Role X?" I can't believe it's Aurorasparrow, and it's possible we have confirmation of this, since Raf. watched him on a Night Role X was active (Night 2).
Sure. It's a little late in the game to be proposing conspiracy theories between 3 players that are still alive, so I can accept this.
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Rhinocero also has an ability that's more or less "confirmed" by Chamber and SorryGuy. Used Day 1. So it seems less likely that he'd also have a role-block/vote force Night ability that he could use the same night. I can't completely rule it out, but it seems unlikely.
Nice of you not to rule out Rhino. Oh, wait, you did. You also ruled out HR and Raf.
DM clearly killed Fayul. He admitted as much. Now this could have simply been the regular mafia Night kill, which would mean that DM probably wouldn't get to use any extra ability he might have. It's noteworthy that Role X apparently did nothing this night. But the next night seems to rule it out. Raf. watched DM and he got no Mod. PM. Role X blocked Matjoe for certain that night. So DM is not Role X.
Bolding added. That said, I tend to think you're right on this count.
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3. Carrion Pigeons
8. Crippled_Fist
It must be one of these two. And when you really look at the night actions, I think it becomes obvious.
Carrion Pigeons is Role X. He is Manute. Who ties up people and tortures them. This is exactly what Hawkeye7 described as happening to him. Now CP admitted targeting Hawkeye Night 2, but denied it Night 1. The implication being that Hawkeye7 was "double-targeted" Night 2. But Hawkeye7 himself said nothing about that.
This may be WIFOM, but if you remember, I was the last person to claim. Why would I claim someone who fit this role that you've designed for me so well? Why on earth would I claim someone who tortured people when people have been looking for a torturer, if I could avoid it? My role did not mention torture anywhere in it, and I was unaware that Manute was that kind of character when I claimed him.
On the other hand, C_F has claimed a role that very much makes it look like he's hiding something.
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That's Manute's MO, as admitted by Carrion Pigeons. And Hawkeye said nothing about being hit by two separate people. It's pretty clear it's the same thing that happened Night 1.
I've speculated about this already; this is nothing new. There are a number of reasons for this to have happened.
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Look at CP's other Night actions. Night 3 he claims a block on Fadeblue (obviously if they are in it together, Fade won't counter this--I'll also say more about this later).
Night 4--WOLG. Again, someone who won't counter him.
Night 5--Crippled Fist. Who has countered him, but is under strong suspicion of being the Day-killer.
The town had a role-blocker this game. It was DYH. If CP is telling the truth, then we had 2 role-blockers, which seems almost as unlikely to me as the mafia having 2 blockers.
One way or another, there are at least three roleblockers. This doesn't mean anything. And I apologize if I've been targeting too many scum for you. I guess I should stop.
If I'm lying about my target on Night 1, then how am I lying about my target last night? Anyone else want to claim they were tied up?
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Why would CP "out" Fadeblue though? That's what's got him as cleared to so many. Seems like a very stupid play for a mafia to make, to give up one of their own like that (and the "leader" to boot.) But let's remember the circumstances. This was right after DM was caught in his subliminal claim and admitted killing Fayul. He was on the hot-seat. Really on the hot-seat. It is entirely possible that the mafia saw this and decided on a gambit. Mafia get day communication remember. They can coordinate these things. If it looks like one of you is going down anyway, why not give someone up in a way that makes at least 2 others look better.
By "outing" fadeblue, CP not only cleared himself, but gave DM cover. Everyone assumed fadeblue had done the Night-kill and been blocked. That meant there was no mafia kill. That meant that DM's claim suddenly looked a hell of a lot better.
Risky play? Perhaps. But a calculated risk. Especially if it looked like one of them was going down anyway. I see nothing that confirms CP, and a lot of incriminating stuff at this point. I think all his claimed actions fit perfectly with him actually being Role X.
I may not be confirmed, but I think you've made way too many assumptions to be able to consider this a fair case. If I were going to out a mafia member, why not out WoLG, who was under sporadic suspicion anyway? Fade was the leader, and probably a godfather, and who knows what else. The play makes no sense if I was scum.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
There is evidence for you on this list, but as for Raf and Highroller, we have no reason to believe they don't have extra abilities. In fact, if your speculation about jcs is accurate, we have substantial reason to believe that Highroller has another, major ability. It's perfectly possible that Raf has a second ability as well; we never found anything concrete about armlx's full role.
Highroller might have another ability. But the point is that he's posting messages on Nights that Role X is out there tying people up and role-blocking them. He can't be role X unless he could use both abilitites the same night. Is that impossible? No. Is it likely? Not very. It would be quite unusual, in fact, for someone with multiple abilities to get to use them all each night. They have to pick.
Plus, JC was mafia. Do you doubt he's "Dark Horse" with his typewriter and paper and title of "Mafia Reporter?" So unless the mafia had two roles that could post night messages, in addition to using other abilities at the same time, and one poster decided to use his post to cast doubt on the other poster Night 1, Highroller is clear. You trying to cast doubt on him doesn't help you at all.
Raf. had the ability to communicate with Armlx at night as well as watch for Mod PMs. You think he has something else? What if he does. He still can't be role X unless he can use 2 abilities at the same time.
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Nice of you not to rule out Rhino. Oh, wait, you did. You also ruled out HR and Raf.
For the same reason. Rhinocero used an ability Day 1. A different ability from what Role X does. Do we think he could role-block someone during Night 1 (forcing Hawkeye7 to temporarily vote Raf.) and then vote-force Azrael on Day 1? It defies common sense. Which you normally have.
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This may be WIFOM, but if you remember, I was the last person to claim. Why would I claim someone who fit this role that you've designed for me so well? Why on earth would I claim someone who tortured people when people have been looking for a torturer, if I could avoid it? My role did not mention torture anywhere in it, and I was unaware that Manute was that kind of character when I claimed him.
On the other hand, C_F has claimed a role that very much makes it look like he's hiding something.
Why did I claim my true role of Yawgmoth in Random 2 when there was clear evidence of Zombie deaths? The truth is always better than a lie, if you can get away with it. Plus, you weren't the last to claim. Aururasparrow still hasn't claimed.
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I've speculated about this already; this is nothing new. There are a number of reasons for this to have happened.
What were those reasons again? I don't think you explained why Hawkeye never saw 2 people, but instead saw the same guy he saw Night 1 on Night 2.
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One way or another, there are at least three roleblockers. This doesn't mean anything. And I apologize if I've been targeting too many scum for you. I guess I should stop.
How are there three role-blockers "one way or another?" I count two--you and DYH. I think DM is full of it regarding his fizzling role-blocker.
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If I'm lying about my target on Night 1, then how am I lying about my target last night? Anyone else want to claim they were tied up?
I don't understand your point. Your "target" last night is denying that he was tied up. It appears to me you didn't target anyone--at least not with that ability.
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I may not be confirmed, but I think you've made way too many assumptions to be able to consider this a fair case. If I were going to out a mafia member, why not out WoLG, who was under sporadic suspicion anyway? Fade was the leader, and probably a godfather, and who knows what else. The play makes no sense if I was scum.
Well, it is WIFOM. And the play does make sense from a certain point of view. Got you this far, didn't it?
Also, your claim that you never get "confirmation" PMs from Az. when you use your ability is completely inconsistent with everything else in the game. Armlx said he asked Azrael and that Azrael confirmed to him that all Night actions will get confirmation PMs. I also know this is true, because I got confirmation PMs even with my passive ability on Nights when No one targeted me. You and DM are the only people who have claimed not to get PMs from the Mod. on nights you used an ability.
I think CP and DM are clearly in it together. Which makes someone else the Day-killer, either Rhinocero or CF. And Rhinocero's use of ability means he really is less likely to be the daykiller. CF is much more suspect at this point, and has a convenient Night Protect claim to go along with it.
I'm almost ready to send Crippled_Fist over the edge, unless people want to reconsider. The potential "danger" I see is that CP, DM and Rhinocero could all be mafia. That seems like too many, but if it were true somehow, the mafia might win tomorrow. Which wouldn't be bad for me (assuming they wouldn't be so foolish as to try and Night-kill me tonight) but would suck for the town.
The fact that Rhinocero didn't put CF over the edge when he could have is a point against that particular conspiracy theory. Makes Rhinocero look much better actually.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well with what seems to be a mafia roleblocker dead, I can see if I got my ability back. I plan to target HR tonight. If Rafael will consent to watch my PMs we can try to clear both me and Raf completely while double-checking HR. If the scum try to kill HR then I get to kill them. If the scum kill me, then I am one less person to worry about tomorrow when you lynch Axelrod. If the scum kill RafaelK then HR and I will still be confirmed and we can try to figure out whether to lynch Rhinocero or Axelrod. My scum list in order right now is:
Well with what seems to be a mafia roleblocker dead, I can see if I got my ability back. I plan to target HR tonight. If Rafael will consent to watch my PMs we can try to clear both me and Raf completely while double-checking HR. If the scum try to kill HR then I get to kill them. If the scum kill me, then I am one less person to worry about tomorrow when you lynch Axelrod. If the scum kill RafaelK then HR and I will still be confirmed and we can try to figure out whether to lynch Rhinocero or Axelrod. My scum list in order right now is:
Crippled_Fist
Axelrod
Rhinocero
Why the hell will we lynch Axelrod tomorrow?
If he's snowing us, he has me snowed but good. You would have to convince me that Axelrod is lying and is mafia. We can't afford to be going around killing non-killing neutrals right now. Only the mafia would want to lynch Axelrod right now, since that's one more day with a lynch that's not a mafia, and the closer they get to a majority.
Once again you act scummy, dm. You keep on doing that. If not for your miho claim you'd have been dead long ago.
Lynching you would also pretty much test cp by default (obviously if you're town then Axelrod's theory of him outing fade to protect you is a load of bullpucky, if you're scum we lynch cp next). Axelrod's theory is quite nice, actually, but quite a bit of it relies on you being a scummy liar (also the point that both you and cp didn't didn't get night confirmation PMs, for example).
AS, if you daykilled fade and still have a shot left, please daykill DM so we can test that forthwith. Otherwise, as we were.
unvote. I said earlier I would be happy lynching both of CF and DM and thus would go for whichever was easier to get a majority for. But I'm now more certain of DM than of CF. On the other hand, the scum didn't put CF over the edge when he was at 4 votes which could be a sign. On the other hand, maybe they didn't want to rush it... very WIFOM territory.
And then there's the issue of why Axelrod, who allegedly doesn't care who wins as long as he survives, didn't put the finisher on CF. If he's telling the truth about his role, he's refusing to finish the alleged SK and risking bringing the mafia's wrath on this head. WHY?
(yes, my opinion on Axel has turned a little within the space of 15 minutes typing. Deal with it.)
This is confusing. I'd like a "kill everyone but me, AS and Highroller" button. That's about the limits of my trust.
Believe it or not, I was actually acting in what I perceived to be the best interests of the town right there. And I was going to allow the town to dictate whoever they wanted to lynch. But, in fact, I really don't care.
Vote: Crippled_Fist
Now you can make the decision.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
That's very interesting you were willing to do that, Axelrod. That you and CF both claimed self-protects led me to believe one of you was lying, and I've been reasonable sure it was him... and that it seemed you were unwilling to test him and reveal whether he was the one telling the truth was a factor in my doubts.
If CF comes up town with a self-protect, I'd definitely take another look at you. But that's for tomorrow, and frankly it seems we have no end of suspects.
vote crippled fist. Night all, and hopefully we'll all still be here in the morning.
The town is decided. They advance upon Crippled_Fist as one, weapons held at the ready. He backs away into the corner, desperation and fear plainly written upon his face. He begins babbling to himself, speaking nonsense.
"I know what I have to do, Sam. The ring was entrusted to me. It's my task. Mine! My own!"
You look at one another, baffled by his strange reaction.
He stares back at you, eyes filled with a terrible light. "The ring is mine." And with a ear-splitting shriek of rage, he withdraws his hands from his pockets, revealing blood-stained, razor-sharp fingernails. You instinctively recoil in horror, and he takes the opportunity to charge into your midst.
The town takes aim and fires a series of wild, rapid shots, but he evades them with the agility of a panther, and his claws rip deeply into Aurorasparrow and Carrion Pigeons, the two nearest to him. You try to take aim, but he's too close. It's impossible to fire without hitting other members of the town.
He moves on to Rhinocero and Highroller, like a whirlwind of death, spinning, kicking, dodging, clawing. Rhinocero takes a wicked jumping front kick to the jaw, and flies backwards in a heap. He takes a swipe at Highroller as he lands, but he managed to roll out of the way.
The path is clear for more shooting, and you unload on him. But it's no use. Time after time, you put him between your sights, only to have him dance away just in time, leaving only a bullet hole in his wake. You understand now how Hartigan emptied his entire arsenal without once hitting home. Crippled_Fist is terrifyingly fast. And ever since he began, he hasn't made a single sound. He just smiles a secretive, eerie, knowing smile at all of you. As if wondering what you'll taste like.
Axelrod and Draygn_Mage move to cut him off, as he circles his away around the room, using the tables and desks for cover. He backtracks in the opposite direction.
Highroller picks himself up off the floor, and stays beside Rafaelk to cut him off from the opposite direction. But Crippled_Fist sees what's coming, and sprints in between the two groups. You're forced to hold back, to avoid cross-fire. Once he's past, you start to bring your weapons back to bear, but he reaches into his pocket for something, then disappears into thin air.
The only sounds are your own heavy breathing, and the raindrops trickling from the ceiling. You look around anxiously for any trace of him, nervously reloading weapons, ears straining for any tell-tale clue. Nothing.
Then, Rafaelk shouts and brings his weapon up, firing a stream of steady shots directly in front of him, close enough to spatter himself with blood from an invisible enemy. There's a horrifying scream, then Crippled_Fist rematerializes and collapses in front of him, with half a dozen holes through his chest, and a hand with a shattered, dangling finger. Impossibly, he rises to his knees and springs on top of Rafaelk, clawing at his neck. The rest of you rush forward, kick him off of Rafaelk, and pump him full of lead until he stops twitching.
You catch your breath for a few moments, reeling from the exertion. Kevin, aka Frodo Baggins, the Serial Killer, is no more. He left a trail of bloody bodies in his wake, but at last his rampage has been halted.
One more barrier to victory removed, you each think, as you sweep his body and his severed finger (with a cheap-looking gold ring that no one feels like taking) into the trash bin.
Dead: 1. DYH-Townie Lunatic/Roleblocker/Investigator. Slashed to ribbons on day 1.
2. Kenji-Townie Paranoid. Died of a sudden heart attack day 1. (Modkill)
3. Puzzle- Neutral Pacifist. Lynched by the town day 1.
4. Bateleur-Townie, the Doctor's Daugher. Throat slashed night 2.
5. Hawkeye7-Townie Bodyguard. Sliced and diced by ninja stars day 2.
6. Armlx-Townie Mailman. Lynched by the town day 2.
7. Fayul- Townie, Overzealous Vigilante. Turned into a pez dispenser, night 3.
8. Sorryguy-Townie, Neutral Mason. Throat crushed night 3.
9. Fadeblue-Mafia, False Cop, Mafia Leader. Poisoned day 3. 10. LJustus, Neutral Hitman, aka "The Salesman", lynched day 3. 11. Cropcircles, Townie Psychic. Throat slit night 4. 12. Matjoeman, Townie, Hartigan, the Last Honest Cop. Cut to ribbons day 4. 13. WellofLostGnomes, Shredder, Mafia Lurker. Lynched Day 4. 14. Chamber, Townie, Neutral Mason. Stabbed in the gut, night 5. 15. JCSuperstar, Mafia Reporter, Strangled Day 5. 16. Crippled_Fist, Kevin, the Serial Killer, Lynched Day 5.
MIA:
1. Dwight McCarthy-Townie Mod Persona. Chased out of town, shot, and possibly killed, day 2.
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The deadline set for four days time, on Monday, February 13th, at 2:00 P.M. EST.
The rain has passed in the night, leaving a sharp, crisp tension in the air. Dark clouds still brood overhead, casting long shadows and shutting out the light, but only silence fills the town hall. It creates a mood more ominous then the crashing of thunder and the trickling of rain. The long silences, and the empty, blood-soaked rooms, the absences where people ought to be standing: these are not the loud, crashing enemies you are accustomed to, the enemies you can feel and touch and fight. These are the creeping, eerie hallmarks of an unseen enemy, stalking its prey with implacable patience. The trap is set, and the springs are wound. All it needs is a mouse. Or a rat.
And as you gather, perhaps for the last time, in the town hall, you notice the absence of one more mouse. There is only empty space where Highroller used to stand.
One by one, you solemnly retrace the path to his room, like a funeral procession. Inside it is a sight that rivals even the most gruesome and horrific deaths you have seen during this nightmare.
Highroller's body is lashed naked to a chair by ropes. Her yellow jumpsuit ripped in shreds upon the floor. Her hands are tied behind her back, but her fingers are stacked in a little pile on the floor in front of her, along with her toes, her teeth, and her pried-off fingernails.
Lacerations criss-cross her entire body, like a crazy patchwork quilt. She looks as if someone had painted her red, from her head, to her toes. Her toothless mouth hangs open in a soundless scream, and an incision in her throat reveals that her voice box was expertly ruined by a knife. Inside her mouth, her eyeballs are lodged in the back of her throat, choking her, and her sightless sockets gaze back, accusing you all.
Most of you stumble into the hall and immmediately vomit onto the floor. A few of you, more jaded than the rest, look on in disgust for a moment longer, then turn and leave.
The group slowly makes its way back to the conference chamber, feeling sick. The town hall no longer feels like a ramshackle, broken-down battleground, it feels like a mausoleum, like a slaughterhouse, or a graveyard. You would give anything to escape it and breath the free air again, anything. But you are bound tight by the cords of duty and responsibility, and self-preservation. Seventeen dead bodies stand as a testament that there can be no victory until the enemy is annihilated completely. No quarter, no mercy. Not till every last rat-bastard is dead.
The clock chimes for high noon. Time for a show-down.
Dead: 1. DYH-Townie Lunatic/Roleblocker/Investigator. Slashed to ribbons on day 1.
2. Kenji-Townie Paranoid. Died of a sudden heart attack day 1. (Modkill)
3. Puzzle- Neutral Pacifist. Lynched by the town day 1.
4. Bateleur-Townie, the Doctor's Daugher. Throat slashed night 2.
5. Hawkeye7-Townie Bodyguard. Sliced and diced by ninja stars day 2.
6. Armlx-Townie Mailman. Lynched by the town day 2.
7. Fayul- Townie, Overzealous Vigilante. Turned into a pez dispenser, night 3.
8. Sorryguy-Townie, Neutral Mason. Throat crushed night 3.
9. Fadeblue-Mafia, False Cop, Mafia Leader. Poisoned day 3. 10. LJustus, Neutral Hitman, aka "The Salesman", lynched day 3. 11. Cropcircles, Townie Psychic. Throat slit night 4. 12. Matjoeman, Townie, Hartigan, the Last Honest Cop. Cut to ribbons day 4. 13. WellofLostGnomes, Shredder, Mafia Lurker. Lynched Day 4. 14. Chamber, Townie, Neutral Mason. Stabbed in the gut, night 5. 15. JCSuperstar, Mafia Reporter, Strangled Day 5. 16. Crippled_Fist, Kevin, the Serial Killer, Lynched Day 5. 17. Highroller, April O'Neill, Townie Reporter. Tied up and bled to death, night 6.
MIA:
1. Dwight McCarthy-Townie Mod Persona. Chased out of town, shot, and possibly killed, day 2.
*Axelrod wonders if the remaining mafia are going to try and make a deal with him*
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Wow, thats disgusting. I would crack in a second under torture <_<.
On one hand, DMs highly suspicious. On the other hand, DM is clearly the best target for the mafia to block.
My suspects are:
Rhinocero
Axelrod
Carrion Pigeons
however, it looks like were gonna have a big axelrod/DM fight and one of them will be the lynch target. So I guess I'll vote axelrod. With CF as the SK, its quite possible that both he and Axel came up with self-protect claims independently.
This "Role X" is interesting. It has opted not to act for a few nights, why we don't know. Its doubtful that its a "limited use" ability, since it was thrown away against Hawkeye nights 1 and 2.
My question: If both DM and Role X are in the mafia, why doesn't DM pretend to be blocked by Role X when role X decides not to act?
On the other hand, DM has been conveniently blocked every night since his misguided murder. There is no explanation for where these blocks have been coming from, and DM is quite demanding that someone watch him to verify his lack of activity.
This makes me think that if DM kills a townie, he loses all his powers. Claiming this would have probably lead to his lynch day 3, so he lied about still having his powers to stay alive.
If there are 2 mafia left, were in lynch or lose today. I personally think there are. My feeling is its Axel and carrion pigeons. Seriously, we have an unknown mafia roleblocker, in addition to a townie roleblocker who hasnt done much IN ADDITION to having claimed Manute? That isnt suspicious?
Here is my thinking for today. If I were scum and I heard the vengeance vig say he was going to target HR, I would probably roleblock the townie roleblocker and kill off the town's last night-killer, especially once he admitted lying about taking out any killer who went after him. That makes me suspicious of carrion pigeons (Manute) who incidentally tells one of his cronies in the move "Go get my knives" while he has the hooker from old-town tied up. So I'm going with
actually, CP-axelrod makes more and more sense to me. CP's claim as Manute gives him WIFOM townieness in addition to supporting a case against DM's claim as Miho. fos CP
Okay, I blocked D_M last night. So whether or not he was faking it in the past, he isn't pretending to be blocked today. I figured the mafia had to be between Axel or D_M, at this point, and I figured that the inability to call D_M on his bluff was worth it if I prevented another kill. No luck, apparently.
Also, AS, I think I've done quite a bit as a townie roleblocker. Just because we only know of one thing that I prevented (which was, incidentally, a nightkill) doesn't mean there weren't other things also. Even if I hadn't, we'd be in a much worse position if I hadn't called fade out.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Hopefully Raf and Rhino show up at some point. At least we don't have to worry about a daykill today.
Dude. The day has been open for four hours. Patience.
I am fine with attacks on either Axelrod or Carrion Pigeons at this point. Axelrod has been lurking and making a lot of noncommital positions, and claims to have a role that encourages it (and, it seems, that it's really really easy to win with). Carrion Pigeons is the roleblocker, a role often included amongst the ranks of the mafia, and Manute apparently has a history of this sort of kill. however, carrion pigeons did out Fadeblue - an action that carries some significance, I suppose.
If CP is town, DM must be town as well (obv if he was roleblocked there would have been no kill). If CP is not town, all bets are off. However, now DM is claiming that CP is lying, either about his block last night or the two nights before - which makes me trust DM, because he COULD be cleared but he is avoiding it, and suspect CP. so I am fairly comfortable with a vote: CP at this time.
Also, I'd sort of like to see a claim from Aurorasparrow unlesss I am forgetting myself and he did claim, I'm sort of tired. It's Day 6, the endgame now, and I don't think there's any role strong enough to warrant not claiming at this point.
Well, it certainly appears someone is trying to create as much confusion as possible. Nice.
That's a pretty bad vote though, Aurorasparrow. Have you still got nothing for the town after 6 days? Seems like today's probably the last day no matter what. Are you saying if you claim it would "hurt" the town?
@Rhino: you think it's easy to win with this role?
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Well, D_M, you were hardly the person I was trying to convince. And didn't you say earlier that you never even got a PM the previous two nights? Or did you ask Az for another PM once the day started?
Axel: why is today the last day? If there's one mafia left, and we don't kill him, there's still tomorrow. If there are two mafia left and we do kill one, there's still tomorrow. Either you're being overly pessimistic or overly optimistic.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
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JCS' role could be any of several things. In one some ways, it seems sort of like a redirector or perhaps more accurately someone who uses others' roles, tying up HR and using his ability last night. On the other hand, the "reporter" and database speak towards a reporter-style role with a list of all or many of the rolenames (if this is the case, false cop is probably a godfather-thing or perhaps something else entirely). So I'm about what was going on there. All I know is that my ORIGINAL instinct - that Highroller had claimed his "scum brother's" role - is almost certainly wrong.
I defintely hope RafK's vote works, and also I await Axelrod's analysis.
Waiting...
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And so that I don't need to keep doing this, can we just get a confirmation of the total number of starting roles in the game and the total number of roles remaining in the game?
I once had a buddy named Kevin,
We were friends; a match made in heaven.
Then one day he went pyscho,
Killed the geko from Geico,
And had sex with some dude called Sven.
(The end)
Sure.
Official Vote Count:
2 Crippled_Fist- Aurorasparrow, Carrion Pigeons
1 Axelrod- Highroller
1 Reciting poetry-Rafaelk
4 Not Voting: Rhinocero, Crippled_Fist, Axelrod, Draygn_Mage
Also, your poetry sucks.
Nonetheless, I guess that's all we're going to get out of you on this. If it turns out after all this that Kevin really is another "invisible" player, I will be seriously peeved.
Also, the poetry sucked. Really.
OK, so unless Az has stepped over the line from "twisted & evil" to "outright refusing to let us kill the SK", Kevin is definitely one of the last eight.
Given the huge effect the SK has had on this game (not just in terms of killing two mafia, but also killing several townies and generally being a focus of voting and discussion), I find it hard to believe the game would have worked too well without at least some extra kills from the SK getting in. Plus I think Az would probably power up the SK, he's aware that the role generally has it really tough and the flavour makes sense to have a strong SK.
What I'm getting at here is that the more I think about it, the more it seems likely that the SK would have nightkill immunity of some sort or other, to ensure they didn't catch a random kill early and tilt the game. Which brings us back to Axelrod and CF again. Wouldn't you know it.
Awaiting Axelrod's big revelations, then. Should be fun.
On Draygn_mage: so here's the main thing that got me looking back at him. Clearly there was suspicion on him right from the start of Day 3. This was the morning "Death Description"
We have Fayul with cut throat and SorryGuy with crushed throat. Incidental evidence suggests Fayul was "Marv" due to the nice coats, no weapons and the word "vengence." Check?
In his first post of the morning, DM says nothing that would indicate he might have any knowledge of this unfortunate situation. Remember, as a townie, he would know that there was apparantly no mafia kill. Just Fayul's and his own. That might be important for the town to know. He'd already breadcrumbed his "Miho" role the day before. But his first post of the day was this:
What exactly is he trying to accomplish with this post? Create confusion over what happened during the night?
CropCircles reveals his subliminal claim before DM can post again, so we'll never know what else DM might have said. He accumulated 5 votes rather quickly and was immediately on the defensive. He then claimed:
So the basic claim appears to be, you can "watch" someone, and then, if someone kills the person you are watching, you can choose to kill the killer.
Immediate problems arise. The town had talked quite a bit about "testing" the mason claim of Chamber and SorryGuy by "vigging" one of them. Why would you assume that it was mafia who killed Fayul? DM's response:
For some reason, he thought the town had agreed to go after Chamber (it hadn't). Plus, the "description" of the manner of Fayul's death was such that he didn't think a townie could have done it.
I assume he received this description in a PM from Azrael, yes?
Another problem, wait, why did you target someone on a "No Kill" night if your ability is only to kill killers? Response:
So he's a "Watcher" first. He can watch, but also kill if the person he watches gets killed. With me?
Here's a crucial post. DM is still backpedaling as far as I can tell and seems to make a slip:
So, the reason you decided to kill Fayul, the terrible manner of death which you didn't think could belong to a townie was cutting the victim's throat?. Was that what Fayul did to SorryGuy?
Actually no. That's what you did to Fayul. Fayul didn't kill that way. Fayul apparently crushed SorryGuy's throat with his bare hands. So, how could you make a mistake like this? You said you got a PM from Az. You said the method of death was so bad that you believed the killer to be mafia. But the method you said he used, was not his actual method. It was your method.
Also, Hawkeye7 was a townie bodyguard.
Now you say you were planning to watch Hawkeye7? Why? Because you were suspicious of him? Why would you watch someone who you were suspicious of if your ability is:
It seems to me you forgot what kind of watcher you were claiming to be for a minute here. You posted like you were the type who watches a person and sees who they target, as opposed to who targets them.
And then this:
Now you appear to be claiming that you get to kill anyone who tries to kill you too. This ability keeps getting better and better doesn't it?
Why didn't he bodyguard the claimed Cop, MatJoe instead of SorryGuy? His answer:
So now he's saying he didn't understand how the ability worked. He thought he could kill someone who only "targeted" his target, as opposed to actually killing his target. Which is, of course, completely different from what he said before.
So then he comes up with a "plan" to clear himself:
It was known at the time that the scum had a role-blocker. It was used on Hawkeye7 Night 1 and 2. He claimed it. He was also dead and known townie. Townie Bodyguard.
Next Night DM claimed he watched MatJoe. He also claimed he got "roleblocked." But he didn't claim that particular piece of information in his first post of the morning, did he?
It's after this that Raf. revealed he watched DM, and that DM got NO MOD PM. DM then comes up with the Role-Block explanation:
Now, if the scum "role-blocked" you. Why didn't they KILL MatJoe right then? What on earth was the point of role-blocking you otherwise? Also, why are you making it a question? You are acting here like you aren't even sure that you were role-blocked. And yet later, you clarify even further:
So there was no question at all then. Right.
There's more, but this is already longer then I meant for it to be, and I have to go to bed.
'Night folks.
Good a place to start as any I suppose
Recall that I had not seen the movie yet at this point and had no idea what the evidence suggested.
Considering the reception that WOLG got last game, would YOU have been eager to tell the town you were a mis-firing vig? I figured by not saying anything I might be able to try again that night and hit scum to even up my record. My first post was simply that- I still have no idea why a "over-eager vig" is anything but a SK with a townie win condition.
I didn't want to give away my entire role at once. If the scum thought they could target my target with something OTHER than a kill then I might get lucky there. It wasn't in the town's best interest to reveal my whole role. With all the weird roles we had seen so far (namely DYH) I figured the scum had a good set of abilities to counter us.
True
Yes. Pre-emptive rebuttal- I still hadn't seen the movie yet, so the descriptions of the people involved meant nothing to me. I only saw a brutal murder and reacted.
Again, I was trying to withold as much info about my role as possible. I wasn't COMPLETELY useless yet if I could still get the scum to believe that only a kill would trigger my ability.
Ok. The basic dilemma is still there. I watched some guy choke on his own blood and thought "that doesn't seem to be a very nice way to kill someone." All I had to go by was my role PM which stated that I killed cleanly unless I was angry. (I'm not quoting it even though its straight from the movie.)
True. As far as the game of mafia is concerned, we have totally different MO's. Hawkeye was the kind of bodyguard that takes a bullet for someone. (Normally found in mafia games) I am something else entirely.
No. YOU'RE forgetting what kind of watcher I am. I was planning to go back to the town and let them know if Hawkeye was telling the truth. I had no real reason to think that scum would be targetting him at that point, but if I could confirm him as telling the truth, then yay me.
At the time, I was trying to force the scum to go after someone else so I could hit them. No scum wants to trade one-for-one when they can just make the town doubt me and get them to lynch me.
Changed tactics. Instead of making the mafia feel safe with killing anyone BUT my target, I tried to make them nervous about targetting ANYONE.
I don't buy it. Hawkeye clearly knew that he was being beaten up and told to vote for someone the next day. I got none of that, just no PM at all until I asked for it. If I had a ready-made roleblock to emulate, I could have just claimed to be beaten up and fake it by voting for someone.
Its morning, the person I was supposed to watch was still alive, and I still had no PM when I made my first post of the day. I had no clue what happened. I sent a PM to Az asking about it and posted in the thread.
I got a PM from Az stating that my action was countered. I explained to the best of my ability what happened. I still don't know if this is a player controlled thing or something flavorful that happened because you all know I'm here now. On the other hand, it makes a kind of weird sense that the scum would role-block me and leave me and my charge alive to cast suspicion on me. Did they know about Raf at that point?
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I do remember another point I was going to make though. If DM is telling the truth, the mafia have two role-blockers. Which seems very wrong.
Role-blocker #1, who I'm calling "role X" would be the blocker who also makes you vote for someone the following day, but you can immediately unvote. This blocker we know without question is mafia--he hit Hawkeye7 the first 2 days, and then MatJoe. (We also know it's not me for whatever that's worth, as Armlx "watched" me Night 1).
But then, there's this "other" role-blocker, who appears to have only hit DM for the entire game, but he's hit DM twice. The one who made his ability "fizzle" and whose "block" did not even merit a Night PM from Az.--only a clarification the next morning that he had been "countered." Where have the other blocks from this person gone?
Well, I call BS on that.
LOL. The "basic" dilemma is still there? It's completely different from what you said. Did you "forget" that the person who killed SorryGuy didn't cut his throat? You said it was the method that convinced you the killer was anti-town. And then you said it was that he cut the guy's throat leaving him to drown in his own blood. It was in a PM from Az. Was that just a "mistake?"
And you actually had a note in your own role PM that your kill would be "clean?" So this "messy" kill looked more suspicious? That's ridiculous.
Oh yes, it makes sense. To cast suspicion on you they cleverly didn't kill the person you were guarding, even when they supposedly could have and he's a Cop. As opposed to killing him and leaving you to explain why you failed so miserably.
Against that, there's really only two things.
1) JCS appeared to gun for him, although I really should read back and see if JCS gunned for him when he was in danger or just as a distancing thing.
2) Miho claim. This is much, much weaker now as evidence. JCS claimed Lucille and was lying. cp is much more believably townie than DM due to the fadeblue thing, and has claimed Manute on the side of the town. DM is both very possibly lying about Miho, and alternately very possibly not townie even if Miho. What would be interesting is if DM is an SK of sorts (or was turned so by the eviction of Azrael/Dwight?). He even just said he had a thing about clean kills except when angry.
THe thing with the daykilling is the inconsistency. DYH, matjoe and JCS killed "Kevin style" although the ninja star in matjoe almost suggested Shredder or Miho more than Kevin. Similarly ninja stars on Hawkeye. And fadeblue was poisoned. It continues to suggest either multiple daykillers or someone who writes their own kills.
I think DM works as SK for sure, and also works as mafia if JCS wasn't actually trying to get him. There's a lot of evidence to suggest he's a liar. There's a lot which makes more sense if he's lying (ie. the "fizzle" roleblock, his kill and perhaps other daykills). There's not a lot dm can point to as evidence of townieness except that his claimed kill of a townie was done in the style of Miho.
I can buy into bandwagons on either DM or CF right now because I think lynching either is a good move. I think one's our SK and one's a remaining mafia, and if there's a second remaining mafia then it's probably Rhino. Obviously future events could mess me up on that, but that's my opinion right now.
There's a bandwagon of three right now on CF, and 0 on DM. I suppose it would be simpler in the circumstances to lynch CF than to convince y'all to get on the DM train with me and Axel.
vote CF
I'm kind of worried about the AS thing. I stand by the fact that it makes sense flavorwise for Kevin to come back good to investigation due to eating his victims and and stuff.
I'm starting to think that with JCS gone (seems like a role-blocker) that I may be able to be active again tonight. If not, you guys may as well lynch me tomorrow.
4 Crippled_Fist- Aurorasparrow, Carrion Pigeons, Draygn_mage, RafaelK
1 Axelrod- Highroller
3 Not Voting: Rhinocero, Crippled_Fist, Axelrod
With 8 alive, it’s 5 to lynch.
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I think part of my "case" against him, in addition to what CropCircles did, is found in post #1072.
Again, this makes it sould like you are "from" somewhere, since you can say with such specificity that you're NOT from TMNT. But it turns out you're the "Street Bum?"
There was something else too, but I still got to check my notes.
Of course, despite this the eagerness of CF to claim a generic role and be cleared is suspicious. What are the chances of CropCircles guessing and finding one of the maybe 3 or 4? So I do think he has a good chance of being scum here; I just DON'T think that the line of reasoning that a generic townie had no reason to wonder about how breaking claims would be disabled is at all correct.
In terms of DM vs. CF, I don't feel good about either being town, although I feel that DM is more likely to be scum (partially just vibes, partially I think there's more evidence against DM). I think there are worse decisions we could make today than a CF bandwagon today.
But as we are 1 vote from a lynch I don't think I'll end the day, in case there's more talkin' to be done.
I totally previewed that. Weird.
I'll give Ax some more time since he appears to have more to say.
Frankly, I don't think your argument makes sense (commenting on your post here rather than editing it in). If you're from TMNT, you're probably a main character from that series. If you're not from TMNT, that just means you're not a main character. There's some people who AREN'T "from" anywhere. Like me, and, supposedly, Crippled_fist.
And your description of how your ability worked was fataly flawed.
That said, I'm concerned you all can't be mafia, because there's someone else I'm worried about (duh duh duhhhhhhhh). And I think that would make too many mafia if all you guys were scum.
That said, CF's role-claim is still dodgy and I still find it hard to believe both he and Axel can both be telling the truth about their abilities, plus the "contradiction".
Rhino's defence of CF (while having a bit each way by still saying CF is scummy) might be telling. Last two scum?
I think CF is still the right lynch.
I'm happy to wait for Axelrod to finish his analysis, though. I don't think we're in a massive rush. Any incentive to finish early vanished once the daykill occurred.
Night 1 (the "No Kill" night)
Armlx "watched" Axelrod, who got no Mod. PM
Axelrod did nothing.
Carrion Pigeons did not target anyone.
"Dark Horse" posts his introductory message.
DM "watched" Fadeblue, who was not targeted.
DYH "blocks/watches" Fayul by locking in closet.
JC claims Doc protect on Puzzle.
Rafaelk "watched" Highroller, who got no Mod. PM
"Role X" (mafia) targeted Hawkeye7, role-blocking and vote-forcing him.
Day 1
Azrael votes for Highroller.
Einsteinmonkey (now Rhinocero) "forced" Chamber and SorryGuy to make Azrael vote for Highroller.
Daykiller kills DYH
DYH "resurrected" for one post. We think this was Cropcircles.
Night 2
Armlx watches Hawkeye7. Result was gnawed on bloody note. + eeire presence.
Axelrod hides. No one targets him.
Bateleur nightkilled.
Carrion Pigeons blocks Hawkeye7.
"Dark Horse" posts message to cast doubt on this.
DM watches Raf. No one targeted.
Highroller posts message that he is innocent.
JC claims to protect Fayul.
MatJoe investigates both Aurorasparrow and Azrael.
Raf. watched Aurorasparrow. Has not revealed results.
"Role X" targets Hawkeye7 again, role-block/vote force.
Day 2
Daykiller tries to kill MatJoe.
Hawkeye7 bodyguards Matjoe.
Night 3
No Night Posts from anyone.
Axelrod does not hide.
CP blocks Fadeblue
Chamber receives a PM stating that he and SorryGuy were both attacked, he was knocked out, and when he woke up, SorryGuy was dead--post #1007 (DM has said nothing about this, of course).
DM watches SorryGuy, Kills Fayul.
Fayul kills SorryGuy.
JC claims protect on MatJoe
Matjoe investigates LJustus.
Raf. watches Ljustus. No Mod. PMs.
"Role X" apparently does not target anyone. This despite the fact that MatJoe was out in the open.
"Mafia" kill no one (if you believe DM).
Day 3
Daykiller kills Fadeblue. (via poisoning, which we haven't seen before or since)
Night 4
Axelrod does not hide.
Carrion Pigeons blocks WoLG.
CropCircles nightkilled.
Dark Horse posts a message.
DM watches MatJoe. Claims being blocked.
Highroller posts his analysis.
JC claims protect on Carrion PigeonsMatjoe blocked.
Raf. watched DM. No PM from Mod.
"Role X" blocks/vote-forces Matjoe.
Day 4
Day-killer kills Matjoe.
Night 5
Axelrod Hides. No one targets him.
Carrion Pigeons blocks CF.
Chamber nightkilled.
CF claims he received no Mod. PM.
DM watches Aurorasparrow. Claims he is blocked again.
Highroller posts (Hail Caesar!). Observes JC outside his door.
JC claims protect on Highroller.
Raf. watched CF. No PM from Mod.
"Role X" apparantly does not target anyone.
Day 5
Daykiller kills JC.
And that's where we are more or less right now. I think there are several rather interesting points to be made here. One of which I bolded.
Also, it's evident to me that JC was actually Dark Horse, and that he had another "targeting" ability along with his ability to night-post. Based on his death description, it seems like he might have had some kind of investigative ability.
So then, we look at everyone who is left alive who "might" have taken one of the action listed above that we don't know about. Who's left alive?
2. RafaelK
3. Carrion Pigeons
4. Aurorasparrow
5. Highroller
6. Axelrod
7. Draygn Mage
8. Crippled_Fist
9. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey)
Now, forgive me for taking myself out at this point. I know I didn't do anything. And at the very least you know that I'm not "Role X" because Armlx watched me Night 1 when Role X was active, and I got no PM. I'll also take out Highroller, who's ability is self-evident. And Raf., who's ability was confirmed by Armlx as well as others.
3. Carrion Pigeons
4. Aurorasparrow
7. Draygn Mage
8. Crippled_Fist
9. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey)
Who could be "Role X?" I can't believe it's Aurorasparrow, and it's possible we have confirmation of this, since Raf. watched him on a Night Role X was active (Night 2).
Rhinocero also has an ability that's more or less "confirmed" by Chamber and SorryGuy. Used Day 1. So it seems less likely that he'd also have a role-block/vote force Night ability that he could use the same night. I can't completely rule it out, but it seems unlikely.
So who's left?
3. Carrion Pigeons
7. Draygn Mage
8. Crippled_Fist
DM clearly killed Fayul. He admitted as much. Now this could have simply been the regular mafia Night kill, which would mean that DM probably wouldn't get to use any extra ability he might have. It's noteworthy that Role X apparently did nothing this night. But the next night seems to rule it out. Raf. watched DM and he got no Mod. PM. Role X blocked Matjoe for certain that night. So DM is not Role X.
3. Carrion Pigeons
8. Crippled_Fist
It must be one of these two. And when you really look at the night actions, I think it becomes obvious.
Carrion Pigeons is Role X. He is Manute. Who ties up people and tortures them. This is exactly what Hawkeye7 described as happening to him. Now CP admitted targeting Hawkeye Night 2, but denied it Night 1. The implication being that Hawkeye7 was "double-targeted" Night 2. But Hawkeye7 himself said nothing about that.
That's Manute's MO, as admitted by Carrion Pigeons. And Hawkeye said nothing about being hit by two separate people. It's pretty clear it's the same thing that happened Night 1.
Look at CP's other Night actions. Night 3 he claims a block on Fadeblue (obviously if they are in it together, Fade won't counter this--I'll also say more about this later).
Night 4--WOLG. Again, someone who won't counter him.
Night 5--Crippled Fist. Who has countered him, but is under strong suspicion of being the Day-killer.
The town had a role-blocker this game. It was DYH. If CP is telling the truth, then we had 2 role-blockers, which seems almost as unlikely to me as the mafia having 2 blockers.
Why would CP "out" Fadeblue though? That's what's got him as cleared to so many. Seems like a very stupid play for a mafia to make, to give up one of their own like that (and the "leader" to boot.) But let's remember the circumstances. This was right after DM was caught in his subliminal claim and admitted killing Fayul. He was on the hot-seat. Really on the hot-seat. It is entirely possible that the mafia saw this and decided on a gambit. Mafia get day communication remember. They can coordinate these things. If it looks like one of you is going down anyway, why not give someone up in a way that makes at least 2 others look better.
By "outing" fadeblue, CP not only cleared himself, but gave DM cover. Everyone assumed fadeblue had done the Night-kill and been blocked. That meant there was no mafia kill. That meant that DM's claim suddenly looked a hell of a lot better.
Risky play? Perhaps. But a calculated risk. Especially if it looked like one of them was going down anyway. I see nothing that confirms CP, and a lot of incriminating stuff at this point. I think all his claimed actions fit perfectly with him actually being Role X.
Wow. It's getting late again. Got to stop for now.
There is evidence for you on this list, but as for Raf and Highroller, we have no reason to believe they don't have extra abilities. In fact, if your speculation about jcs is accurate, we have substantial reason to believe that Highroller has another, major ability. It's perfectly possible that Raf has a second ability as well; we never found anything concrete about armlx's full role.
4. Aurorasparrow
7. Draygn Mage
8. Crippled_Fist
9. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey)
Who could be "Role X?" I can't believe it's Aurorasparrow, and it's possible we have confirmation of this, since Raf. watched him on a Night Role X was active (Night 2).
Sure. It's a little late in the game to be proposing conspiracy theories between 3 players that are still alive, so I can accept this.
Nice of you not to rule out Rhino. Oh, wait, you did. You also ruled out HR and Raf.
Bolding added. That said, I tend to think you're right on this count.
This may be WIFOM, but if you remember, I was the last person to claim. Why would I claim someone who fit this role that you've designed for me so well? Why on earth would I claim someone who tortured people when people have been looking for a torturer, if I could avoid it? My role did not mention torture anywhere in it, and I was unaware that Manute was that kind of character when I claimed him.
On the other hand, C_F has claimed a role that very much makes it look like he's hiding something.
I've speculated about this already; this is nothing new. There are a number of reasons for this to have happened.
One way or another, there are at least three roleblockers. This doesn't mean anything. And I apologize if I've been targeting too many scum for you. I guess I should stop.
If I'm lying about my target on Night 1, then how am I lying about my target last night? Anyone else want to claim they were tied up?
I may not be confirmed, but I think you've made way too many assumptions to be able to consider this a fair case. If I were going to out a mafia member, why not out WoLG, who was under sporadic suspicion anyway? Fade was the leader, and probably a godfather, and who knows what else. The play makes no sense if I was scum.
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Highroller might have another ability. But the point is that he's posting messages on Nights that Role X is out there tying people up and role-blocking them. He can't be role X unless he could use both abilitites the same night. Is that impossible? No. Is it likely? Not very. It would be quite unusual, in fact, for someone with multiple abilities to get to use them all each night. They have to pick.
Plus, JC was mafia. Do you doubt he's "Dark Horse" with his typewriter and paper and title of "Mafia Reporter?" So unless the mafia had two roles that could post night messages, in addition to using other abilities at the same time, and one poster decided to use his post to cast doubt on the other poster Night 1, Highroller is clear. You trying to cast doubt on him doesn't help you at all.
Raf. had the ability to communicate with Armlx at night as well as watch for Mod PMs. You think he has something else? What if he does. He still can't be role X unless he can use 2 abilities at the same time.
For the same reason. Rhinocero used an ability Day 1. A different ability from what Role X does. Do we think he could role-block someone during Night 1 (forcing Hawkeye7 to temporarily vote Raf.) and then vote-force Azrael on Day 1? It defies common sense. Which you normally have.
Why did I claim my true role of Yawgmoth in Random 2 when there was clear evidence of Zombie deaths? The truth is always better than a lie, if you can get away with it. Plus, you weren't the last to claim. Aururasparrow still hasn't claimed.
What were those reasons again? I don't think you explained why Hawkeye never saw 2 people, but instead saw the same guy he saw Night 1 on Night 2.
How are there three role-blockers "one way or another?" I count two--you and DYH. I think DM is full of it regarding his fizzling role-blocker.
I don't understand your point. Your "target" last night is denying that he was tied up. It appears to me you didn't target anyone--at least not with that ability.
Well, it is WIFOM. And the play does make sense from a certain point of view. Got you this far, didn't it?
Also, your claim that you never get "confirmation" PMs from Az. when you use your ability is completely inconsistent with everything else in the game. Armlx said he asked Azrael and that Azrael confirmed to him that all Night actions will get confirmation PMs. I also know this is true, because I got confirmation PMs even with my passive ability on Nights when No one targeted me. You and DM are the only people who have claimed not to get PMs from the Mod. on nights you used an ability.
I think CP and DM are clearly in it together. Which makes someone else the Day-killer, either Rhinocero or CF. And Rhinocero's use of ability means he really is less likely to be the daykiller. CF is much more suspect at this point, and has a convenient Night Protect claim to go along with it.
I'm almost ready to send Crippled_Fist over the edge, unless people want to reconsider. The potential "danger" I see is that CP, DM and Rhinocero could all be mafia. That seems like too many, but if it were true somehow, the mafia might win tomorrow. Which wouldn't be bad for me (assuming they wouldn't be so foolish as to try and Night-kill me tonight) but would suck for the town.
The fact that Rhinocero didn't put CF over the edge when he could have is a point against that particular conspiracy theory. Makes Rhinocero look much better actually.
Crippled_Fist
Axelrod
Rhinocero
Why the hell will we lynch Axelrod tomorrow?
If he's snowing us, he has me snowed but good. You would have to convince me that Axelrod is lying and is mafia. We can't afford to be going around killing non-killing neutrals right now. Only the mafia would want to lynch Axelrod right now, since that's one more day with a lynch that's not a mafia, and the closer they get to a majority.
Once again you act scummy, dm. You keep on doing that. If not for your miho claim you'd have been dead long ago.
Lynching you would also pretty much test cp by default (obviously if you're town then Axelrod's theory of him outing fade to protect you is a load of bullpucky, if you're scum we lynch cp next). Axelrod's theory is quite nice, actually, but quite a bit of it relies on you being a scummy liar (also the point that both you and cp didn't didn't get night confirmation PMs, for example).
AS, if you daykilled fade and still have a shot left, please daykill DM so we can test that forthwith. Otherwise, as we were.
unvote. I said earlier I would be happy lynching both of CF and DM and thus would go for whichever was easier to get a majority for. But I'm now more certain of DM than of CF. On the other hand, the scum didn't put CF over the edge when he was at 4 votes which could be a sign. On the other hand, maybe they didn't want to rush it... very WIFOM territory.
And then there's the issue of why Axelrod, who allegedly doesn't care who wins as long as he survives, didn't put the finisher on CF. If he's telling the truth about his role, he's refusing to finish the alleged SK and risking bringing the mafia's wrath on this head. WHY?
(yes, my opinion on Axel has turned a little within the space of 15 minutes typing. Deal with it.)
This is confusing. I'd like a "kill everyone but me, AS and Highroller" button. That's about the limits of my trust.
Vote: Crippled_Fist
Now you can make the decision.
That's very interesting you were willing to do that, Axelrod. That you and CF both claimed self-protects led me to believe one of you was lying, and I've been reasonable sure it was him... and that it seemed you were unwilling to test him and reveal whether he was the one telling the truth was a factor in my doubts.
If CF comes up town with a self-protect, I'd definitely take another look at you. But that's for tomorrow, and frankly it seems we have no end of suspects.
vote crippled fist. Night all, and hopefully we'll all still be here in the morning.
5 Crippled_Fist- Aurorasparrow, Carrion Pigeons, Draygn_mage, Axelrod, Rafaelk
1 Axelrod- Highroller
2 Not Voting: Rhinocero, Crippled_Fist
***
The town is decided. They advance upon Crippled_Fist as one, weapons held at the ready. He backs away into the corner, desperation and fear plainly written upon his face. He begins babbling to himself, speaking nonsense.
"I know what I have to do, Sam. The ring was entrusted to me. It's my task. Mine! My own!"
You look at one another, baffled by his strange reaction.
He stares back at you, eyes filled with a terrible light. "The ring is mine." And with a ear-splitting shriek of rage, he withdraws his hands from his pockets, revealing blood-stained, razor-sharp fingernails. You instinctively recoil in horror, and he takes the opportunity to charge into your midst.
The town takes aim and fires a series of wild, rapid shots, but he evades them with the agility of a panther, and his claws rip deeply into Aurorasparrow and Carrion Pigeons, the two nearest to him. You try to take aim, but he's too close. It's impossible to fire without hitting other members of the town.
He moves on to Rhinocero and Highroller, like a whirlwind of death, spinning, kicking, dodging, clawing. Rhinocero takes a wicked jumping front kick to the jaw, and flies backwards in a heap. He takes a swipe at Highroller as he lands, but he managed to roll out of the way.
The path is clear for more shooting, and you unload on him. But it's no use. Time after time, you put him between your sights, only to have him dance away just in time, leaving only a bullet hole in his wake. You understand now how Hartigan emptied his entire arsenal without once hitting home. Crippled_Fist is terrifyingly fast. And ever since he began, he hasn't made a single sound. He just smiles a secretive, eerie, knowing smile at all of you. As if wondering what you'll taste like.
Axelrod and Draygn_Mage move to cut him off, as he circles his away around the room, using the tables and desks for cover. He backtracks in the opposite direction.
Highroller picks himself up off the floor, and stays beside Rafaelk to cut him off from the opposite direction. But Crippled_Fist sees what's coming, and sprints in between the two groups. You're forced to hold back, to avoid cross-fire. Once he's past, you start to bring your weapons back to bear, but he reaches into his pocket for something, then disappears into thin air.
The only sounds are your own heavy breathing, and the raindrops trickling from the ceiling. You look around anxiously for any trace of him, nervously reloading weapons, ears straining for any tell-tale clue. Nothing.
Then, Rafaelk shouts and brings his weapon up, firing a stream of steady shots directly in front of him, close enough to spatter himself with blood from an invisible enemy. There's a horrifying scream, then Crippled_Fist rematerializes and collapses in front of him, with half a dozen holes through his chest, and a hand with a shattered, dangling finger. Impossibly, he rises to his knees and springs on top of Rafaelk, clawing at his neck. The rest of you rush forward, kick him off of Rafaelk, and pump him full of lead until he stops twitching.
You catch your breath for a few moments, reeling from the exertion. Kevin, aka Frodo Baggins, the Serial Killer, is no more. He left a trail of bloody bodies in his wake, but at last his rampage has been halted.
One more barrier to victory removed, you each think, as you sweep his body and his severed finger (with a cheap-looking gold ring that no one feels like taking) into the trash bin.
***
It is now Night 6.
Living 7/23:
1. RafaelK
2. Carrion Pigeons
3. Aurorasparrow
4. Highroller
5. Axelrod
6. Draygn Mage
7. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey)
Dead:
1. DYH-Townie Lunatic/Roleblocker/Investigator. Slashed to ribbons on day 1.
2. Kenji-Townie Paranoid. Died of a sudden heart attack day 1. (Modkill)
3. Puzzle- Neutral Pacifist. Lynched by the town day 1.
4. Bateleur-Townie, the Doctor's Daugher. Throat slashed night 2.
5. Hawkeye7-Townie Bodyguard. Sliced and diced by ninja stars day 2.
6. Armlx-Townie Mailman. Lynched by the town day 2.
7. Fayul- Townie, Overzealous Vigilante. Turned into a pez dispenser, night 3.
8. Sorryguy-Townie, Neutral Mason. Throat crushed night 3.
9. Fadeblue-Mafia, False Cop, Mafia Leader. Poisoned day 3.
10. LJustus, Neutral Hitman, aka "The Salesman", lynched day 3.
11. Cropcircles, Townie Psychic. Throat slit night 4.
12. Matjoeman, Townie, Hartigan, the Last Honest Cop. Cut to ribbons day 4.
13. WellofLostGnomes, Shredder, Mafia Lurker. Lynched Day 4.
14. Chamber, Townie, Neutral Mason. Stabbed in the gut, night 5.
15. JCSuperstar, Mafia Reporter, Strangled Day 5.
16. Crippled_Fist, Kevin, the Serial Killer, Lynched Day 5.
MIA:
1. Dwight McCarthy-Townie Mod Persona. Chased out of town, shot, and possibly killed, day 2.
***
The deadline set for four days time, on Monday, February 13th, at 2:00 P.M. EST.
And as you gather, perhaps for the last time, in the town hall, you notice the absence of one more mouse. There is only empty space where Highroller used to stand.
One by one, you solemnly retrace the path to his room, like a funeral procession. Inside it is a sight that rivals even the most gruesome and horrific deaths you have seen during this nightmare.
Highroller's body is lashed naked to a chair by ropes. Her yellow jumpsuit ripped in shreds upon the floor. Her hands are tied behind her back, but her fingers are stacked in a little pile on the floor in front of her, along with her toes, her teeth, and her pried-off fingernails.
Lacerations criss-cross her entire body, like a crazy patchwork quilt. She looks as if someone had painted her red, from her head, to her toes. Her toothless mouth hangs open in a soundless scream, and an incision in her throat reveals that her voice box was expertly ruined by a knife. Inside her mouth, her eyeballs are lodged in the back of her throat, choking her, and her sightless sockets gaze back, accusing you all.
Most of you stumble into the hall and immmediately vomit onto the floor. A few of you, more jaded than the rest, look on in disgust for a moment longer, then turn and leave.
The group slowly makes its way back to the conference chamber, feeling sick. The town hall no longer feels like a ramshackle, broken-down battleground, it feels like a mausoleum, like a slaughterhouse, or a graveyard. You would give anything to escape it and breath the free air again, anything. But you are bound tight by the cords of duty and responsibility, and self-preservation. Seventeen dead bodies stand as a testament that there can be no victory until the enemy is annihilated completely. No quarter, no mercy. Not till every last rat-bastard is dead.
The clock chimes for high noon. Time for a show-down.
Day 6 of Sin City Mafia has begun.
***
Living 6/23:
1. RafaelK
2. Carrion Pigeons
3. Aurorasparrow
4. Axelrod
5. Draygn Mage
6. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey)
Dead:
1. DYH-Townie Lunatic/Roleblocker/Investigator. Slashed to ribbons on day 1.
2. Kenji-Townie Paranoid. Died of a sudden heart attack day 1. (Modkill)
3. Puzzle- Neutral Pacifist. Lynched by the town day 1.
4. Bateleur-Townie, the Doctor's Daugher. Throat slashed night 2.
5. Hawkeye7-Townie Bodyguard. Sliced and diced by ninja stars day 2.
6. Armlx-Townie Mailman. Lynched by the town day 2.
7. Fayul- Townie, Overzealous Vigilante. Turned into a pez dispenser, night 3.
8. Sorryguy-Townie, Neutral Mason. Throat crushed night 3.
9. Fadeblue-Mafia, False Cop, Mafia Leader. Poisoned day 3.
10. LJustus, Neutral Hitman, aka "The Salesman", lynched day 3.
11. Cropcircles, Townie Psychic. Throat slit night 4.
12. Matjoeman, Townie, Hartigan, the Last Honest Cop. Cut to ribbons day 4.
13. WellofLostGnomes, Shredder, Mafia Lurker. Lynched Day 4.
14. Chamber, Townie, Neutral Mason. Stabbed in the gut, night 5.
15. JCSuperstar, Mafia Reporter, Strangled Day 5.
16. Crippled_Fist, Kevin, the Serial Killer, Lynched Day 5.
17. Highroller, April O'Neill, Townie Reporter. Tied up and bled to death, night 6.
MIA:
1. Dwight McCarthy-Townie Mod Persona. Chased out of town, shot, and possibly killed, day 2.
***
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
*Axelrod wonders if the remaining mafia are going to try and make a deal with him*
EBWODP- never mind, there could be 3 town, 2 scum, 1 neutral.
then again there could be 4 town and 2 scum or 4 town, 1 scum, and 1 neutral
On one hand, DMs highly suspicious. On the other hand, DM is clearly the best target for the mafia to block.
My suspects are:
Rhinocero
Axelrod
Carrion Pigeons
however, it looks like were gonna have a big axelrod/DM fight and one of them will be the lynch target. So I guess I'll vote axelrod. With CF as the SK, its quite possible that both he and Axel came up with self-protect claims independently.
This "Role X" is interesting. It has opted not to act for a few nights, why we don't know. Its doubtful that its a "limited use" ability, since it was thrown away against Hawkeye nights 1 and 2.
My question: If both DM and Role X are in the mafia, why doesn't DM pretend to be blocked by Role X when role X decides not to act?
On the other hand, DM has been conveniently blocked every night since his misguided murder. There is no explanation for where these blocks have been coming from, and DM is quite demanding that someone watch him to verify his lack of activity.
This makes me think that if DM kills a townie, he loses all his powers. Claiming this would have probably lead to his lynch day 3, so he lied about still having his powers to stay alive.
If there are 2 mafia left, were in lynch or lose today. I personally think there are. My feeling is its Axel and carrion pigeons. Seriously, we have an unknown mafia roleblocker, in addition to a townie roleblocker who hasnt done much IN ADDITION to having claimed Manute? That isnt suspicious?
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25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
vote carrion pigeons
fos CP
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BTW- I TOLD you I wasn't Kevin.
Also, AS, I think I've done quite a bit as a townie roleblocker. Just because we only know of one thing that I prevented (which was, incidentally, a nightkill) doesn't mean there weren't other things also. Even if I hadn't, we'd be in a much worse position if I hadn't called fade out.
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Dude. The day has been open for four hours. Patience.
I am fine with attacks on either Axelrod or Carrion Pigeons at this point. Axelrod has been lurking and making a lot of noncommital positions, and claims to have a role that encourages it (and, it seems, that it's really really easy to win with). Carrion Pigeons is the roleblocker, a role often included amongst the ranks of the mafia, and Manute apparently has a history of this sort of kill. however, carrion pigeons did out Fadeblue - an action that carries some significance, I suppose.
If CP is town, DM must be town as well (obv if he was roleblocked there would have been no kill). If CP is not town, all bets are off. However, now DM is claiming that CP is lying, either about his block last night or the two nights before - which makes me trust DM, because he COULD be cleared but he is avoiding it, and suspect CP. so I am fairly comfortable with a vote: CP at this time.
Also, I'd sort of like to see a claim from Aurorasparrow unlesss I am forgetting myself and he did claim, I'm sort of tired. It's Day 6, the endgame now, and I don't think there's any role strong enough to warrant not claiming at this point.
That's a pretty bad vote though, Aurorasparrow. Have you still got nothing for the town after 6 days? Seems like today's probably the last day no matter what. Are you saying if you claim it would "hurt" the town?
@Rhino: you think it's easy to win with this role?
Axel: why is today the last day? If there's one mafia left, and we don't kill him, there's still tomorrow. If there are two mafia left and we do kill one, there's still tomorrow. Either you're being overly pessimistic or overly optimistic.
My bet's on optimism. Vote Axelrod.
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