Good question, KGD. Normally Jeff does an update regularly where he calculates booster value, but he hasn't done any for a while. My guess is that INN is a better purchase than DA but it depends on other factors that you haven't mentioned. Myself I'd stock up on INN if I had extra cash to blow on boosters.
Good question, KGD. Normally Jeff does an update regularly where he calculates booster value, but he hasn't done any for a while. My guess is that INN is a better purchase than DA but it depends on other factors that you haven't mentioned. Myself I'd stock up on INN if I had extra cash to blow on boosters.
As funny as it may seem, I checked with my most recent updates (since Im finally going to be getting to my ebay listings for the first time since the shop break in last october). And, I found the following:
Innistrad overall average box value:
Mythics: $24
Rares: $45
Uncommon/common sets: $9
Foils: $5
Total average box value: $83 (Respectable, but not amazing)
Dark Ascension overall average box value:
Mythics: $33
Rares: $35
Uncommons: $19
Foils: $6
Total average box value: $93 (Higher, as you can see, due to the uncommons, otherwise they would be basically equal.)
So, there you have it, uncommons put dark ascension over the top for now.
But of course, depends on what you're after. Getting a box with a Snapcaster, a Geist, a Garruk and 4 of the 5 duals is still a better box that a Huntmaster, a Dungeon Geist, 4 Strangleroots, and 3 Lingering Souls.
But of course, depends on what you're after. Getting a box with a Snapcaster, a Geist, a Garruk and 4 of the 5 duals is still a better box that a Huntmaster, a Dungeon Geist, 4 Strangleroots, and 3 Lingering Souls.
Same can be said with any box. If I got an M12 box with 4 Primevals and all the Planeswalkers then that would be a good day.
Sulfur Falls seems to have hit bottom. I know there is currently not much support for u/r in standarad but how long do you think that will last? Historically u/r has been the most popular enemy color combination, and I have no doubt constructed playable cards will be printed for this combination in the near future.
I forsee this card following the same price trajectory as seachrome coast /darkslick shores which were around $4 a year ago.
Sulfur Falls seems to have hit bottom. I know there is currently not much support for u/r in standarad but how long do you think that will last? Historically u/r has been the most popular enemy color combination, and I have no doubt constructed playable cards will be printed for this combination in the near future.
I forsee this card following the same price trajectory as seachrome coast /darkslick shores which were around $4 a year ago.
None of these will ever go as high as the highest fastlands. Though I do see (whatever M10/M11/M12 and Innistrad duals are called) becomming the more standard dual lands.
but the fastlands have become ultra popular b/c the meta of the current standards requires near perfect mana base or else they fail.
Same can be said with any box. If I got an M12 box with 4 Primevals and all the Planeswalkers then that would be a good day.
Which just wouldn't happen simply because a large set wouldn't give you more than 3-5 Mythics in a box... For whatever reason though, small sets feel like they "give up" more Mythics in their boxes. Not sure why, but it's felt like this for every middle set since WWK to me.
But anyway...
Anyone else scooping up their staples before they blow up in a year? Watching Scars change so dramatically has me REALLY nervous about ISD this time next year. Geist, Snap, Lili, lands... etc... I just see them all doubling and us wading through the land of "OMG MOST EXPENSIVE STANDARD EVER" cries in a few months.
Which just wouldn't happen simply because a large set wouldn't give you more than 3-5 Mythics in a box... For whatever reason though, small sets feel like they "give up" more Mythics in their boxes. Not sure why, but it's felt like this for every middle set since WWK to me.
But anyway...
Anyone else scooping up their staples before they blow up in a year? Watching Scars change so dramatically has me REALLY nervous about ISD this time next year. Geist, Snap, Lili, lands... etc... I just see them all doubling and us wading through the land of "OMG MOST EXPENSIVE STANDARD EVER" cries in a few months.
If you haven't been doing this since INN prices started cooling, you've been ignoring me saying the same thing every other post I make publicl. But yeah, sure, I'm excited for 40 new threads titled "*Good card from INN block*'s Value!?" to pop up in 2-8 months.
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My longshots from INN are Bloodgift Demon, Sever the Bloodline, and Curse of Death's Hold. I have over 40 of each at the moment and am steadily trading for more since they're such marginal additions to trades.
I too have been hoarding Curse of Death's Holds and more recently added Lingering Souls to the get en masse list just in case. I think if you see these at or around 1$ you should definitely pick them up. LS is already an all-star, but Curse is excellent, too. Commons-wise, Tragic Slip is a no-brainer, but people around here seem to be giving them away, so hey.
This card will be the worst rare in RTR and less remembered than skaab ruibator in three months. It struggles to be on the same power level as mass of ghouls, even in limited.
That its not simply "not good enough for competitive", or underpowered. But that this is offensively bad, the real stinker tier.
Still, my best evaluation is that its approximately on the same power level as a 4/4 for 4 vanilla beater.
I have been acquiring all of the INN lands, both do something and enemy duals. I've bought some Stensia Bloodhalls at bulk price, so I literally can't lose on those. With some people valuing Moorland Haunt at $2-3 and Gavony Township at $1-1.5, they seem like great longterm pickups. Nephalia Drownyard, a 50 cent rare by most people, seems like high potential as well with mill being popular in casual.
Pick up your INN stuff now. Once Avacyn Restored starts getting talked up, very little INN will be opened from then on out.
Moorland haunt seems criminally underpriced for it's power level. It seems poised to be in top tier decks for it's standard run.
Well the thing about that is it's not a card you'd want to run more than 2 in most builds.
Cards like Bloodgift might very well become amazing in the fall... but I think they won't jump so dramatically that it won't be hard to grab them for under $5. I think it's those already expensive cards that have the potential to jump in obscene ways (like Snapcaster). I'm actually very nervous about it, even though I'm "safe" for my own collection. We have the most fun and diverse T2 environment in ages (in many people's eyes), and last thing we need is prices to force us back into the dark ages of "OMG I can't play Standard because I don't have $70 for each Snapcaster."
If it helps any, Snapcaster sees virtually no successful block play (it shouldn't because AVR, M13, and the coming Fall Set offset any safety in that statement).
Well the thing about that is it's not a card you'd want to run more than 2 in most builds.
Cards like Bloodgift might very well become amazing in the fall... but I think they won't jump so dramatically that it won't be hard to grab them for under $5. I think it's those already expensive cards that have the potential to jump in obscene ways (like Snapcaster). I'm actually very nervous about it, even though I'm "safe" for my own collection. We have the most fun and diverse T2 environment in ages (in many people's eyes), and last thing we need is prices to force us back into the dark ages of "OMG I can't play Standard because I don't have $70 for each Snapcaster."
No way a standarad legal rare goes above $25 and does not get banned.
Wasn't Noble Hierarch around $25 while it was still in standard?
It was around $15-$18 at its peak while it was in standard (based on ebay prices). It also was from a poor-value set in terms of mythics, which caused an overly-good cross-format rare like that to continue to rise in value over time.
(Key: The card's most recent move is on the right. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. Data is from here.)
Stromkirk Noble fell off the list and was replaced by Clifftop Retreat, so there are still 12 cards worth opening. That said, most cards in the set lost another 30% or so since my last update... ouch! Liliana dropped about $10 to fall off #1 spot. Giest and Snapcaster are 17, Liliana 16, Garruk 9, and the land cycle has been holding value nicely at 7 5 5 4 and 4. A few 75c uncommons... and that's pretty much it for this set.
The expected value of a full booster box of Innistrad is about $71 according to my observations and data found on other sites. This means that unless you're the kind of person to buy lottery tickets, don't bother with unopened product - just trade for singles.
I don't know if I'll update the tally fully again, with the set pretty much dead and forgotten. But there you have it, the 12 INN cards worth opening, and their trends over time.
Thanks a lot rancored! I still apreciate your work. INN is not dead I'd say as long as a "newer" set is standart legal it should be consideret here in a tally-thread.
Good that Geist of Saint Traft is keeping it's value along with with the lands. I have a playset of both when they were low-ish and I guess they'll keep value for a while. I'm interested what you guys think about Geist of Saint Traft's long-term pricing, barring reprints. It seems to me it's pretty unique in it's setup and might keep it's price for a while.
Long term it'll probably drop, as it's mostly a standard card with a little modern application.
My guess is that it will be a $10 card long-term (from when it rotates).
I hate say this now, but pick up lilianas at 14 dollars while you can! No way a card that is heavily played in a tier one modern deck and numerous tier two decks in standard can stay that low, especially for a walker from a set that will out of print in a few months! Just traded for two more myself.
I hate say this now, but pick up lilianas at 14 dollars while you can! No way a card that is heavily played in a tier one modern deck and numerous tier two decks in standard can stay that low, especially for a walker from a set that will out of print in a few months! Just traded for two more myself.
Same for Garruck Relentless which I think is even a better card than Liliana in the comming standard format after Scar rotates.
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You know Geist is a good card because it dropped a spot on the tally and went to #1!
Pretty disappointing value for this set. I mean, it seems like all the recent sets are incredibly poor value-wise. Is there any set worth opening in standard? (As in.. being close to breaking even?)
You know Geist is a good card because it dropped a spot on the tally and went to #1!
Pretty disappointing value for this set. I mean, it seems like all the recent sets are incredibly poor value-wise. Is there any set worth opening in standard? (As in.. being close to breaking even?)
Avacyn Restored, the commons are really god awful but you have Tamiyo, Griselbrand, Bonfire, Cavern of Souls, Restoration Angel, and some other stuff.
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As funny as it may seem, I checked with my most recent updates (since Im finally going to be getting to my ebay listings for the first time since the shop break in last october). And, I found the following:
Innistrad overall average box value:
Mythics: $24
Rares: $45
Uncommon/common sets: $9
Foils: $5
Total average box value: $83 (Respectable, but not amazing)
Dark Ascension overall average box value:
Mythics: $33
Rares: $35
Uncommons: $19
Foils: $6
Total average box value: $93 (Higher, as you can see, due to the uncommons, otherwise they would be basically equal.)
So, there you have it, uncommons put dark ascension over the top for now.
Same can be said with any box. If I got an M12 box with 4 Primevals and all the Planeswalkers then that would be a good day.
I forsee this card following the same price trajectory as seachrome coast /darkslick shores which were around $4 a year ago.
None of these will ever go as high as the highest fastlands. Though I do see (whatever M10/M11/M12 and Innistrad duals are called) becomming the more standard dual lands.
but the fastlands have become ultra popular b/c the meta of the current standards requires near perfect mana base or else they fail.
Which just wouldn't happen simply because a large set wouldn't give you more than 3-5 Mythics in a box... For whatever reason though, small sets feel like they "give up" more Mythics in their boxes. Not sure why, but it's felt like this for every middle set since WWK to me.
But anyway...
Anyone else scooping up their staples before they blow up in a year? Watching Scars change so dramatically has me REALLY nervous about ISD this time next year. Geist, Snap, Lili, lands... etc... I just see them all doubling and us wading through the land of "OMG MOST EXPENSIVE STANDARD EVER" cries in a few months.
If you haven't been doing this since INN prices started cooling, you've been ignoring me saying the same thing every other post I make publicl. But yeah, sure, I'm excited for 40 new threads titled "*Good card from INN block*'s Value!?" to pop up in 2-8 months.
QUICK HITS:
My longshots from INN are Bloodgift Demon, Sever the Bloodline, and Curse of Death's Hold. I have over 40 of each at the moment and am steadily trading for more since they're such marginal additions to trades.
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Pick up your INN stuff now. Once Avacyn Restored starts getting talked up, very little INN will be opened from then on out.
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Well the thing about that is it's not a card you'd want to run more than 2 in most builds.
Cards like Bloodgift might very well become amazing in the fall... but I think they won't jump so dramatically that it won't be hard to grab them for under $5. I think it's those already expensive cards that have the potential to jump in obscene ways (like Snapcaster). I'm actually very nervous about it, even though I'm "safe" for my own collection. We have the most fun and diverse T2 environment in ages (in many people's eyes), and last thing we need is prices to force us back into the dark ages of "OMG I can't play Standard because I don't have $70 for each Snapcaster."
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No way a standarad legal rare goes above $25 and does not get banned.
It was around $15-$18 at its peak while it was in standard (based on ebay prices). It also was from a poor-value set in terms of mythics, which caused an overly-good cross-format rare like that to continue to rise in value over time.
Now that M13 has settled in, an Innistrad update:
1) Geist of Saint Traft / / / / / / / / / / / / /
2) Snapcaster Mage / / / / / / / / / / / / /
3) Liliana of the Veil / / / / / / / / / / / / /
4) Garruk Relentless the Veil-Cursed / / / / / / / / / / / / /
5) Isolated Chapel / / / / / / / / / / / /
6) Hinterland Harbor / / / / / / / / / / / / /
7) Sulfur Falls / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
8) Champion of the Parish / / / / / / / / / / / /
9) Clifftop Retreat
10) Olivia Voldaren / / / / / / / / / / / / /
11) Woodland Cemetery / / / / / / / / / / / / /
12) Bloodline Keeper Lord of Lineage / / / / / / / / / / / / /
(Key: The card's most recent move is on the right. This indicates the hottest mover of the update. indicates no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. Data is from here.)
Stromkirk Noble fell off the list and was replaced by Clifftop Retreat, so there are still 12 cards worth opening. That said, most cards in the set lost another 30% or so since my last update... ouch! Liliana dropped about $10 to fall off #1 spot. Giest and Snapcaster are 17, Liliana 16, Garruk 9, and the land cycle has been holding value nicely at 7 5 5 4 and 4. A few 75c uncommons... and that's pretty much it for this set.
The expected value of a full booster box of Innistrad is about $71 according to my observations and data found on other sites. This means that unless you're the kind of person to buy lottery tickets, don't bother with unopened product - just trade for singles.
I don't know if I'll update the tally fully again, with the set pretty much dead and forgotten. But there you have it, the 12 INN cards worth opening, and their trends over time.
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Long term it'll probably drop, as it's mostly a standard card with a little modern application.
My guess is that it will be a $10 card long-term (from when it rotates).
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Same for Garruck Relentless which I think is even a better card than Liliana in the comming standard format after Scar rotates.
You know Geist is a good card because it dropped a spot on the tally and went to #1!
Pretty disappointing value for this set. I mean, it seems like all the recent sets are incredibly poor value-wise. Is there any set worth opening in standard? (As in.. being close to breaking even?)
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Avacyn Restored, the commons are really god awful but you have Tamiyo, Griselbrand, Bonfire, Cavern of Souls, Restoration Angel, and some other stuff.