The vig shot isn't what's going to win this game for the town. What use is the vig shot without information to aim it? The scum using the vig shot won't have nearly as much impact as a pair of well-placed investigations will, especially if we can pin down two scum with it.
The only thing you're doing here is trying to derail the plan. First by spreading around vague suspicion with "I'm not going to follow it because of some uneasy feeling" and now by trying to say "hey, why don't you consider veering away from a fairly good plan to possibly obtain the vig shot instead of confirming town and/or catching scum".
A decent plan should cover all bases and point out any flaws to let everyone make the best possible decision. I don't recall (but could have missed it) either of you saying "give us coins to get investigation".
Currently if town gets investigation we either get a confirmed town that the scum won't lynch for a little while (we hope) or a scum to lynch D3.
I was going to mention how if Iso flips town then scum having a 2 kills come N3 would pretty much hose the town unless we get some good (ie scum) lynches. But no one apparently wants to hear that, it's just fear mongering.
@ Pinky - It is why I said I wasn't going to do anything Obviously scum isn't going to kill me because I'm "scummy", if I COULD have investigated someone on the list no one would have listened. So why bother? (and yes that's a rhetorical question)
Also Caex you agreed with me that 3 people bidding for the cop check would be good. I'm stopping people that most think are scum in case of mylo from winning the game. I see nothing wrong with planning something that scum can use to their advantage.
Except there's just about a 0% chance of that happening. Both greymon and I are going to bid on the cop shot. We've been given coins, so we should have more coins than any other player except the scum.
Whoever the scum kill tonight, the other one will, by default, win the investigation.
If the scum somehow win the investigation, they'll have to have spent a lot of coins to do it, which means they won't be able to buy the vig shot. It's a win-win, and the scum can't stop it without sacrificing coins.
Everyone else is encouraged to bid simply because they're not going to be using their small amount of coins for anything anyway. If something strange happens tonight and someone else gets the bid, they'll have to bid higher than 2 coins, which again means they'll probably miss out on the vig shot.
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A decent plan should cover all bases and point out any flaws to let everyone make the best possible decision. I don't recall (but could have missed it) either of you saying "give us coins to get investigation".
I.... What.... That's....
The entire point of the plan was to give greymon and me coins so we can guarantee we win the investigation. I spelled it out like four times. We've been discussing it for like three pages. There's no way you could have missed that.
Am I misreading this? Please tell me I am somehow misinterpreting what you said.
Currently if town gets investigation we either get a confirmed town that the scum won't lynch for a little while (we hope) or a scum to lynch D3.
Uh... That's the point of the plan.
You've commented on the plan, specifically saying you weren't interested in following it! Were you just not reading anything anyone posted? I'm honestly at a loss for words. I just hope I'm missing something here.
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This is Caex's first formulation of a plan. It specifically mentions buying an investigation. Here is the revised plan. Again, specifically mentions investigations.
Iso brings up a possible flaw with the plan, namely the mafia could NK Caex or greymon and vig the other.
I analyze the feasibility of the mafia already having the vig shot for use tonight. I conclude it's possible. Dagger later confirms that we'll know when the vig shot is purchased and that it cannot be purchased during twilight. Frankly the vig shot is a non-entity at this point because the mafia, if they can buy it now, need to buy it before the hammer vote.
I so want to lynch you Iso. You know the plan was for an investigation, not the cop shot. Why else would you point out that Caex and greymon could both get vigged under this plan?
Same with you Foxlet. In this post you comment on the original incarnation of the plan and even address how Caex's investigation targets don't change if Iso is scum. If you knew then that the plan was to make sure the town gets an investigation tonight why do you think now we're going for the vig shot? Big time FoS: Foxlet.
On the surface that seems like a good idea, but I'll tell you why it's not:
Buying protection makes the next time cost more. If both greymon and I buy protection, then yes it forces the scum to spend a coin to hit us. But when they kill one of us, they'll get their coins back because we'll have enough coins to make the Guild of Coins pay out again. They lose nothing, and the survivor now has to shell out more coins on protecting themselves if they need to do it again.
That means the next time one of us wants to buy the protection, it'll cost 2 coins instead of 1. And if it's late-game and the survivor of tonight's plan buying the protection is the difference between the town winning and losing, we want to ensure we can afford it.
It's much better for us to not buy protection and take the nightkill. One of us dies no matter what happens. I'd rather keep the cost of the protection down for later in the game than waste it here.
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At least I wasn't the only one confused then @ Iso
Right now the scum has their whole team, why would the scum waste a single coin on protection when we just said we are not trying to get Vig shot at all?
@ Nis - to me the plan was NOT about pooling coins to be USED to investigate people. I already re-read the plan. It said "We use the investigation to narrow the remaining scum down and his interactions to narrow it down even more."
In my mind it was Lets pool coins...One subject... why would you need to pool coins except for Vig (because it takes so many), doh.
THEN...Lets then discuss who to investigate depending on Iso's flip. Separate subject.
You don't know what I thought, and everyone with common sense would know that by telling people to send them coins that Caex and grey put targets on themselves by asking for coins.
@ Nis - to me the plan was NOT about pooling coins to be USED to investigate people. I already re-read the plan. It said "We use the investigation to narrow the remaining scum down and his interactions to narrow it down even more."
In my mind it was Lets pool coins...One subject... why would you need to pool coins except for Vig (because it takes so many), doh.
THEN...Lets then discuss who to investigate depending on Iso's flip. Separate subject.
Preferences because there are only *TWO* cop shots left would be pinky and Wheaties. And this is for regardless of how Iso flips. That's because if they are both confirmed town, they would be a strong asset to the town.
I didn't include the popular choice AE because is too much of a lurker at this moment to waste an investigation on, IMO. I know he's a good player, but he's so disassociated with this game, that even if he was confirmed town...what exactly would that do for us? Not much since he's lurking so much right now
Shark is trying and has a few good points here and there, but if he's scum he wouldn't be a dangerous as pinky or Wheaties, nor quite the asset either if confirmed town.
You are giving your thoughts on the plan about how tonight's investigation should be used. You even point at that since we just have two investigations left they should not be wasted.
In addition, pinky states that he wouldn't trust an investigation result from anybody on Caex's list, which includes you, or zind if anybody on that list + zind managed to get the investigation tonight. You respond. At this point you know you're on Caex's list which means you read the plan. You also have pieced together pinky's insinuation that if the plan doesn't go through anybody on the plan's list isn't to be trusted. I'm not sure how you didn't understand the plan at that time since you acted like you did.
Something important: zindabad is still on V/LA until the 12th. I think we should wait until he's back so he doesn't miss his opportunity to send a coin, if he hasn't already.
@ Pinky - It is why I said I wasn't going to do anything Obviously scum isn't going to kill me because I'm "scummy", if I COULD have investigated someone on the list no one would have listened. So why bother? (and yes that's a rhetorical question)
Apparently I'm the only one who thinks WG is scummy here. I think his reason's for finding Iso scummy are weak and he backtracked completely and he investigated someone and no one else is thinking that is scummy but sure lets ignore all that and believe that no one would find is suspicious because no one but me does today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Lets verify with the mod about one last thing.
mod: If someone wins the bid for investigation but is killed during the night, will the person with the next highest bid get the investigation?
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Apparently I'm the only one who thinks WG is scummy here. I think his reason's for finding Iso scummy are weak and he backtracked completely and he investigated someone and no one else is thinking that is scummy but sure lets ignore all that and believe that no one would find is suspicious because no one but me does today.
No, I'm pretty sure I mentioned before that some of the Iso/Wheaties was suspicious and I was going to re-read it. I just haven't had more than 2 brain cells to rub together recently to make a decent showing of it (which is why I haven't).
No, I'm pretty sure I mentioned before that some of the Iso/Wheaties was suspicious and I was going to re-read it. I just haven't had more than 2 brain cells to rub together recently to make a decent showing of it (which is why I haven't).
Yeah, my reread hasn't happened. Too much new stuff going on and I have not yet found a routine or way to function with my new schedule.
I can add depression but then I get into stuff no one cares about and isn't mafia related.
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That either there are already 2 scum on my wagon and/or the scum are scared ****less of when I flip town because they will be implicated.
Just a reminder to everyone that I'm being lynched because I had to read the OP several times (which people are STILL asking about, btw, so not sure how that's scummy exclusively on me since no one else is getting called out for it) and asked for coins.
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Currently my scum list is zindabad, Nis, and greymon.
I haven't been paying attention to Shark's posts.
What happened to the absolute certainty you had with Foxlet and Wheat_Grinder?
@greymon: I think we should keep to the original plan, even if Iso flips town. His new reads are too far off from the originals and it could dilute the plan too much. I could maybe see replacing AE with zindabad if Iso is indeed town.
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Whoops, I forgot Wheat was scum. Yeah make greymon take a backseat to that. As for Foxlet, she's been so consistently off that she's probably not scum.
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Whoops, I forgot Wheat was scum. Yeah make greymon take a backseat to that. As for Foxlet, she's been so consistently off that she's probably not scum.
You've been calling for my lynch above all others and you forgot to put me in your scum list?
Whoops, I forgot Wheat was scum. Yeah make greymon take a backseat to that. As for Foxlet, she's been so consistently off that she's probably not scum.
Cmon. Your talk of scum on your wagon. Ignoring Shark. Just throwing names out there.
Anyway, since that's a lynch, I'm just gonna say everything I have said is true and that I gave one of my coins to the guys in the plan.
For the record, I don't have faith in the rest of the town to pull this off. Prove me wrong. Don't forget Nis's bad hammer and zindabad's non-existent reason for voting me. Or the fact that Wheat is confirmed scum after I flip.
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To make myself absolutely clear: THERE IS NO REASON GOOD ENOUGH, NOT EVEN A GUILTY COP INVESTIGATION, THAT ANYONE OTHER THAN WHEAT SHOULD BE LYNCHED TOMORROW.
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You really couldn't have waited one more day for zindabad to show up?
For what? Would anything have changed? Just because day has ended doesn't mean he doesn't have to explain himself. Plus Zindabad takes his time posting. He's not a very active poster.
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For what? Would anything have changed? Just because day has ended doesn't mean he doesn't have to explain himself. Plus Zindabad takes his time posting. He's not a very active poster.
Explain myself? Explain myself for what? You make it sound like there's some accusation against me. All I can see is Iso calling me scum (and also saying he hadn't read the previous 5 pages, wherein was contained my one and only post during vacation, so how did he come to that conclusion, exactly? Oh yes, he had no idea what was going on because he'd stopped paying attention) and pinky claiming I "have nothing on Iso." We'll get to pinky in a moment, but for now, I think I'd like to hear why you couldn't wait one more day for me to get back.
73 (Iso): Wow, this was an awful response. I'm used to seeing more composure from you. The game isn't even 100 posts old yet. I thought this wagon was puffball nonsense but I'm reconsidering fast. 83 (Iso): This is devolving into WIFOM. First "oh I would never have drawn this attention to myself as scum" and now "why would E_P reveal the information in question?" Oh, I don't know. Because you asked him? 94 (Iso): Let me guess, in about another 50 posts of this nonsense, deflection and WIFOM, Iso will announce he's been playing scummy on purpose to generate discussion/form a wagon on himself/etc etc. 105 (Iso): See? It was a trap after all. He asked E_P just in the hope that E_P would respond and he'd have to quiz him on his motivation for doing so. Give me a break. Vote would be on Iso at this point with only minor reservations re: poggy. 131 (Art): I threw up a little in my mouth when I saw Art using my lingo. YT is something only I say. Let's have it remain that way. He's right about Iso's repeated use of self-meta and WIFOM, though. 164 (PB): Slippery slope there. "It's just kpaca" gave him a free SK win in CCMIV. "It's just Iso" helped his team to win Starcraft Mafia (although the town could've been me and 18 copies of Pale Mage and we STILL would've lost that game.) Be careful. 270 (Iso): This looked a bit like self-exculpation. The impending mislynch of Albus forced Iso to try to preempt some of the suspicion.
276 (CK): Pretty much echoes me. It's been all lynch Albus, lynch Albus and then he begins to back out...while still saying he's going through with the wagon. P.S. in 277 he finds PB suspicious. Don't agree. She's been fairly pro-town for me.
Top scum: Iso, Wheat, Shark, AE in a very close fourth
Top townies: CK, greymon, PB in distant third.
vote Iso.
There's all the times in my notes when I discussed why I thought Iso was scum. But you knew all of that already, because you claimed to have read my catchup post here:
@Zin: I looked through your notes can you explain why you believe Iso is scum this game exactly?
I don't know how you could have read it and failed to notice the things I outlined above, but that's OK, because I was kind enough to give you a summary here:
He [Iso] instigated the wagon on Albus (who was being legitimately scummy, but the connection is there nonetheless), tried to get everyone to give him the coins (why, exactly? Why shouldn't we be doing abilities by consensus? This is an open setup), made a number of false-sounding, simulated posts (esp. responses to early pressure in posts 73 and 94), and tried to pull out of his own impending mislynch.
Then there's this "oh trust me and lynch Fox today, I'll let you lynch me tomorrow." Sure, I've heard that line before. Tomorrow, it'll be "oh my reads were off." And why shouldn't it be? If Iso were really town, he would know not to sacrifice himself if Fox had been town, because that'd be a third mislynch to heap on top of the one he himself began. The offer is intrinsically flawed. When someone makes offers he knows he'll never follow through on, that's a sign that he is trying to manipulate events, and I just don't see a pro-town mentality that explains this behavior.
There are no hidden abilities in this game. We had that in black and white from Dagger already. This is meaningless fearmongering since the same situation cannot possibly be repeated.
I think I may have put the wrong post number there. I didn't care for "you don't see it?" but this doesn't look like the one I was thinking of.
Did you ever stop voting Albus? No. You just threw out a few token "I'm not really happy with this wagon, feels too easy" posts while keeping your vote on him. You didn't try to disband anything.
I think I just got done explaining that you are not actually "laying down your life" and that this is just rhetoric.
This is why the Fox lynch isn't happening, and why it probably still won't happen even if Iso is lynched and flips town. Because there's nothing there. No case, no evidence, nothing empirical that any of us can look at and go "hmm, he may have been on to something there." It's just "trust me, Fox is scum." I blindly trust definitely 1, maybe 2 players on this site. Neither is in this game.
But, nevertheless, you continue to pretend like I have given no reasoning for my continued suspicion of Iso in this post:
1) I asked you what about your post makes Iso scum. I read your post and it didn't say ****.
2) I have been saying I think the wagon is crap for 2 days now. I'm sure your part of the scum team at this point and your reaching with your statement there.
Why because I'm against a crap wagon? Wow like that is sooooo scummy. And I'm against it with reason's unlike some people who say nothing about there reason's in this game or explain things when asked. Like you or WG.
So you claim I had nothing to say in my notes, which is obviously untrue as I have just shown above, which means either you didn't read them or you pretended to find nothing. This isn't going too well for you at this point.
Then you claim that I have given no reasons and not explained anything when asked, which I obviously have done, as I have shown above.
In summary, you are scum who tried to stand off an impending mislynch while crying woe and blaming everyone who was on the wagon. That doesn't even cover your suspect D1 behavior, including your L-1 vote on Albus and your rush to get him lynched before I could contribute after I had just replaced in.
You might have survived that, but you committed the fatal error of making patently false accusations against me. Ask - oh, I don't know, everyone who's ever made anything up about me - how that went.
Consider my vote on pinky pending greymon's report.
I sent my coin to Greymon last night by the way. Waiting on the investigation.
That's actually an interesting path to take. I think everybody should note who they sent a coin to. We might be able to catch scum later as people in the two groups are cleared. We know that at most four townies sent coins yesterday (because Iso was mislynched his Courier Post never went through). zindabad didn't send a coin yesterday because AE hammered. Caex and greymon probably didn't send a coin (although correct me if I'm wrong greymon).
Also, I received two coins last night. I bid 3 on the Beggar's Sect. I reread the thread, and after Iso flipped town I looked at his suspects, and pinky's and saw that WG kept coming up, so I decided I'd investigate him and it was the best case scenario. My thinking process was that he'd either come up town and then we could do the investigation chain thing that Iso was talking about, or he'd come up scum and then we'd pretty much have the game in the bag.
I nearly fell out of the chair when I saw he came up scum. Nobody else should vote quite yet, because we need this time to figure out a possible lynch for the next day and our plans for the night tonight.
I felt the tiniest twinge because historically guilty investigations at LyLo have proven to be disastrous for me, but I'm set on this one. poggy was almost 100% lurker scum and Wheat's seemingly botched investigation claim, not to mention the coin mixup, lock him as scum for me.
I notice pinky said nothing about sending her coin. How convenient. She's definitely scum.
Which means, that scum is unlikely to amass enough coins for the vig shot!
Well, that means they were unlikely to get the shot D2 (and they didn't). They have 3 extra coins today so they most likely have enough for the vig shot now. Remember, the mafia is +6 coins over their starting number. -2 from Wheat (or some other scum member) means +4. It's highly likely the scum started with at least 1 coin.
A decent plan should cover all bases and point out any flaws to let everyone make the best possible decision. I don't recall (but could have missed it) either of you saying "give us coins to get investigation".
Currently if town gets investigation we either get a confirmed town that the scum won't lynch for a little while (we hope) or a scum to lynch D3.
I was going to mention how if Iso flips town then scum having a 2 kills come N3 would pretty much hose the town unless we get some good (ie scum) lynches. But no one apparently wants to hear that, it's just fear mongering.
@ Pinky - It is why I said I wasn't going to do anything Obviously scum isn't going to kill me because I'm "scummy", if I COULD have investigated someone on the list no one would have listened. So why bother? (and yes that's a rhetorical question)
Except there's just about a 0% chance of that happening. Both greymon and I are going to bid on the cop shot. We've been given coins, so we should have more coins than any other player except the scum.
Whoever the scum kill tonight, the other one will, by default, win the investigation.
If the scum somehow win the investigation, they'll have to have spent a lot of coins to do it, which means they won't be able to buy the vig shot. It's a win-win, and the scum can't stop it without sacrificing coins.
Everyone else is encouraged to bid simply because they're not going to be using their small amount of coins for anything anyway. If something strange happens tonight and someone else gets the bid, they'll have to bid higher than 2 coins, which again means they'll probably miss out on the vig shot.
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I.... What.... That's....
The entire point of the plan was to give greymon and me coins so we can guarantee we win the investigation. I spelled it out like four times. We've been discussing it for like three pages. There's no way you could have missed that.
Am I misreading this? Please tell me I am somehow misinterpreting what you said.
Uh... That's the point of the plan.
You've commented on the plan, specifically saying you weren't interested in following it! Were you just not reading anything anyone posted? I'm honestly at a loss for words. I just hope I'm missing something here.
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Iso brings up a possible flaw with the plan, namely the mafia could NK Caex or greymon and vig the other.
I analyze the feasibility of the mafia already having the vig shot for use tonight. I conclude it's possible. Dagger later confirms that we'll know when the vig shot is purchased and that it cannot be purchased during twilight. Frankly the vig shot is a non-entity at this point because the mafia, if they can buy it now, need to buy it before the hammer vote.
I so want to lynch you Iso. You know the plan was for an investigation, not the cop shot. Why else would you point out that Caex and greymon could both get vigged under this plan?
Same with you Foxlet. In this post you comment on the original incarnation of the plan and even address how Caex's investigation targets don't change if Iso is scum. If you knew then that the plan was to make sure the town gets an investigation tonight why do you think now we're going for the vig shot? Big time FoS: Foxlet.
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On the surface that seems like a good idea, but I'll tell you why it's not:
Buying protection makes the next time cost more. If both greymon and I buy protection, then yes it forces the scum to spend a coin to hit us. But when they kill one of us, they'll get their coins back because we'll have enough coins to make the Guild of Coins pay out again. They lose nothing, and the survivor now has to shell out more coins on protecting themselves if they need to do it again.
That means the next time one of us wants to buy the protection, it'll cost 2 coins instead of 1. And if it's late-game and the survivor of tonight's plan buying the protection is the difference between the town winning and losing, we want to ensure we can afford it.
It's much better for us to not buy protection and take the nightkill. One of us dies no matter what happens. I'd rather keep the cost of the protection down for later in the game than waste it here.
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Right now the scum has their whole team, why would the scum waste a single coin on protection when we just said we are not trying to get Vig shot at all?
@ Nis - to me the plan was NOT about pooling coins to be USED to investigate people. I already re-read the plan. It said "We use the investigation to narrow the remaining scum down and his interactions to narrow it down even more."
In my mind it was Lets pool coins...One subject... why would you need to pool coins except for Vig (because it takes so many), doh.
THEN...Lets then discuss who to investigate depending on Iso's flip. Separate subject.
You don't know what I thought, and everyone with common sense would know that by telling people to send them coins that Caex and grey put targets on themselves by asking for coins.
That doesn't jive with your own words:
You are giving your thoughts on the plan about how tonight's investigation should be used. You even point at that since we just have two investigations left they should not be wasted.
In addition, pinky states that he wouldn't trust an investigation result from anybody on Caex's list, which includes you, or zind if anybody on that list + zind managed to get the investigation tonight. You respond. At this point you know you're on Caex's list which means you read the plan. You also have pieced together pinky's insinuation that if the plan doesn't go through anybody on the plan's list isn't to be trusted. I'm not sure how you didn't understand the plan at that time since you acted like you did.
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What isn't to understand?
Yes, I read the plan, I'm telling you HOW I read the plan.
Apparently I'm the only one who thinks WG is scummy here. I think his reason's for finding Iso scummy are weak and he backtracked completely and he investigated someone and no one else is thinking that is scummy but sure lets ignore all that and believe that no one would find is suspicious because no one but me does today. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Lets verify with the mod about one last thing.
mod: If someone wins the bid for investigation but is killed during the night, will the person with the next highest bid get the investigation?
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No, I'm pretty sure I mentioned before that some of the Iso/Wheaties was suspicious and I was going to re-read it. I just haven't had more than 2 brain cells to rub together recently to make a decent showing of it (which is why I haven't).
Yeah, my reread hasn't happened. Too much new stuff going on and I have not yet found a routine or way to function with my new schedule.
I can add depression but then I get into stuff no one cares about and isn't mafia related.
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What was that?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Just a reminder to everyone that I'm being lynched because I had to read the OP several times (which people are STILL asking about, btw, so not sure how that's scummy exclusively on me since no one else is getting called out for it) and asked for coins.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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I haven't been paying attention to Shark's posts.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What happened to the absolute certainty you had with Foxlet and Wheat_Grinder?
@greymon: I think we should keep to the original plan, even if Iso flips town. His new reads are too far off from the originals and it could dilute the plan too much. I could maybe see replacing AE with zindabad if Iso is indeed town.
{Magic: The RPG}
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You've been calling for my lynch above all others and you forgot to put me in your scum list?
Cmon. Your talk of scum on your wagon. Ignoring Shark. Just throwing names out there.
unvote vote iso.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Anyway, since that's a lynch, I'm just gonna say everything I have said is true and that I gave one of my coins to the guys in the plan.
For the record, I don't have faith in the rest of the town to pull this off. Prove me wrong. Don't forget Nis's bad hammer and zindabad's non-existent reason for voting me. Or the fact that Wheat is confirmed scum after I flip.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay I love you buh-bye!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You really couldn't have waited one more day for zindabad to show up?
{Magic: The RPG}
Gotta work until 10 pm central time tonight, will try to check in when I can.
For what? Would anything have changed? Just because day has ended doesn't mean he doesn't have to explain himself. Plus Zindabad takes his time posting. He's not a very active poster.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
To make sure he's sent his coin for the plan and maybe make a post or two about the current situation.
The irony of this statement just made my head implode.
{Magic: The RPG}
That is correct, my Lady.
~~~
Votecount
Iso (6) - Wheat_Grinder, Caex Kothar, zindabad, greymon90210, SharkFinnigan, Archmage Eternal
Wheat_Grinder (2) - pinkys_brain, Iso
It takes 6 to Lynch with 10 alive.
As of this post, Iso has been lynched.
~~~
Six emblems were stamped onto the document.
Six signatures were flourished onto the sheet.
Six denouncements were directed in the name of the King.
The Millstone Lord. The Wolf Lord. The Salamander Lord. The Lizard Lord. The Shark Lord. The Skulls Lord.
Presumptuous upstarts.
Arrogant bastards.
The threat was clear enough.
Stand down to face the justice of the assembly.
By own free will or be forced to.
By a self-styled impromptu coalition.
Assets would be confiscated.
Estates would be divided.
The blood of the fathers would be gone.
But the soldiers and the small folks would be spared.
Who would dare oppose?
More than half the might of the current Kingdom arrayed against a single House, great it may be.
Still a single House.
Rage.
Helpless helpless rage.
Lord of House Iso (Town) was eliminated on Day 2.
The tokens owned by the Guild of Coins has increased by 2.
The tokens owned by the Guild of Coins is now 2.
~~~
It is now Night 2.
There is a deadline of 72 hours for night action submissions. Day 3 will begin after all the night actions have been processed.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Like a hot knife through butter.
It was so sudden, so unexpected, that the eyes only had time to bulge out in shock.
Mouth opened and closed, emitting only the gurgles of a dying man.
And a line of red gushed downward from the throat, drenching everything in slick hot blood.
The man flopped around on the ground trying to stem the red tide.
Like a fish out of water.
Like a pig for slaughter.
The blade flicked, and the blood splattered.
More victims.
More murders.
The whole House must be wiped out tonight.
All that scheming, all the plots, all the intrigue in the name of the King.
All ended with a single physical power play.
Assassination.
And the Silver Wolf lay forgotten, as the blood congealed into a dark red mess.
Lord of House Caex Kothar (Town) was eliminated on Night 2.
The tokens owned by the Guild of Coins have increased by 3.
The tokens owned by the Guild of Coins are now 5.
All living players have gained 1 additional token.
The tokens owned by the Guild of Coins are now reset to 0.
The threshold amount for the Guild of Coins is now 7.
The number of remaining services for the Beggars Sect is now 1.
~~~
It is now Day 3.
It takes 5 to Lynch with 8 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
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Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I didn't send a coin yesterday, because AE hammered while I was still on vacation. Let's talk about that for a second.
Explain myself? Explain myself for what? You make it sound like there's some accusation against me. All I can see is Iso calling me scum (and also saying he hadn't read the previous 5 pages, wherein was contained my one and only post during vacation, so how did he come to that conclusion, exactly? Oh yes, he had no idea what was going on because he'd stopped paying attention) and pinky claiming I "have nothing on Iso." We'll get to pinky in a moment, but for now, I think I'd like to hear why you couldn't wait one more day for me to get back.
Now, pinky.
Well, it's totally not like me to say "show me the evidence", but, uh, show me the evidence. I'll go first, shall I?
There's all the times in my notes when I discussed why I thought Iso was scum. But you knew all of that already, because you claimed to have read my catchup post here:
I don't know how you could have read it and failed to notice the things I outlined above, but that's OK, because I was kind enough to give you a summary here:
Then I further responded to Iso's points here:
But, nevertheless, you continue to pretend like I have given no reasoning for my continued suspicion of Iso in this post:
So you claim I had nothing to say in my notes, which is obviously untrue as I have just shown above, which means either you didn't read them or you pretended to find nothing. This isn't going too well for you at this point.
Then you claim that I have given no reasons and not explained anything when asked, which I obviously have done, as I have shown above.
In summary, you are scum who tried to stand off an impending mislynch while crying woe and blaming everyone who was on the wagon. That doesn't even cover your suspect D1 behavior, including your L-1 vote on Albus and your rush to get him lynched before I could contribute after I had just replaced in.
You might have survived that, but you committed the fatal error of making patently false accusations against me. Ask - oh, I don't know, everyone who's ever made anything up about me - how that went.
Consider my vote on pinky pending greymon's report.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
We're on mylo, put that vote away! No voting until we're all certain of who we're going to lynch. +scum points to you.
Also as others said, there is only one remaining use of the Beggar's Sect per Dagger's update, therefore Greymon probably got the investigation.
I sent my coin to Greymon last night by the way. Waiting on the investigation.
That's actually an interesting path to take. I think everybody should note who they sent a coin to. We might be able to catch scum later as people in the two groups are cleared. We know that at most four townies sent coins yesterday (because Iso was mislynched his Courier Post never went through). zindabad didn't send a coin yesterday because AE hammered. Caex and greymon probably didn't send a coin (although correct me if I'm wrong greymon).
I sent a coin to greymon.
Sent to Caex
Wheat
Sent to greymon
Nis
Didn't send a coin
zindabad (no fault)
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Put Wheat's name down in wrong group.
Sent to Caex
Sent to greymon
Wheat
Nis
Didn't send a coin
zindabad (no fault)
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—Lazav
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Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Shark
Sent to greymon
Wheat
Nis
Didn't send a coin
zindabad (no fault)
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He's mafia,
Vote: Wheat_Grinder
We should take some time and reread him and try and figure out who his scumbuddies are before we lynch.
Also, I received two coins last night. I bid 3 on the Beggar's Sect. I reread the thread, and after Iso flipped town I looked at his suspects, and pinky's and saw that WG kept coming up, so I decided I'd investigate him and it was the best case scenario. My thinking process was that he'd either come up town and then we could do the investigation chain thing that Iso was talking about, or he'd come up scum and then we'd pretty much have the game in the bag.
I nearly fell out of the chair when I saw he came up scum. Nobody else should vote quite yet, because we need this time to figure out a possible lynch for the next day and our plans for the night tonight.
Shark
Sent to greymon, received 2 coins
Wheat
Nis
Didn't send a coin
zindabad (no fault)
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For the moment:
Everyone claim who you gave coins to last night.
Also, if it turns out WG, Foxlet, and whoever I missed Iso saying as 3rd scum are scum, Iso deserves town MVP for pegging scum as he got lynched.
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Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I notice pinky said nothing about sending her coin. How convenient. She's definitely scum.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
If Wheat_Grinder is scum, that means that scum lost 2 coins to investigation.
Which means, that scum is unlikely to amass enough coins for the vig shot!
That's definitely a benefit for us. So long as they cannot get there, we are in the clear.
This also helps a town case for me, unless you think W_G and I pulled a gambit together with the investigation claim thing D2.
—Lazav
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Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Well, that means they were unlikely to get the shot D2 (and they didn't). They have 3 extra coins today so they most likely have enough for the vig shot now. Remember, the mafia is +6 coins over their starting number. -2 from Wheat (or some other scum member) means +4. It's highly likely the scum started with at least 1 coin.
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