Reya, I think you are scum. You were pretty quick to vote lynch Vish, thats a big "He's dead anyways, but voting for him makes it look like I'm a town trying to lynch the scum."
Shouldn't you be pointing a finger at me, too, then? I thought I was hammering Vish.
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You gave reasons and had an explanation, not just a vote without reasoning.
If you get to it before night great, if not then please on day 3 can you post a detailed explanation including which posts reya has made that supports your case against him. I would like to better understand the wagon you are making.
Not Voting - 5 Vishamon, Tordeck, sXe, Kill Joy, TheEndIsNear
***
Almost as soon as the bowls have been cleared away, Vishamon stands up and proclaims his great sorrow at the events of the previous day. Deep like the ocean is his regret, and heavy as a thousand stones is the weight upon his soul. Indeed, his very eyes seems to have greyed as troubles beyond his years settle upon his very brow.
However, some upstarts claim this is all an act. They decry these crocodile tears, and jostle Vishamon. He attempts to calm them down, but his attitude only seems to inflame them.
Desperate and protesting, Viashamon is lead to the still-hanging body of InfectiousBaloth. Cutting her down (with a wet thump), Viashamon is installed in her place. Standing on the stool above the mob, the look of sorrow in his eyes flashes into pure hatred:
"You fools, you'll die unknown! No-one cares about you!"
With a jerk, the stool is kicked out and Vishamon: Luigi, Mafia Permablocker dances on the end of the rope. Someone stoops down to pick up the green hat with an "L" emblazoned upon it. Who'd have thought this most well known of sidekicks could turn traitor to the system?
It is now Night 2, please do not post. Action deadlines will be much more strictly enforced, so please make an effort to get PMs in quickly. You have approximately 72 hours.
The breakfast gong sounds mournfully through the ancient halls, and you shuffle into the dining area for more delicious, nutritious gruel. The duty Igor counts you all off on his fingers. Something is wrong though: this Igor only has 12 fingers, which means that someone is missing.
Wheat_Grinder’s bowl remains sitting in his place, empty. The man himself is nowhere to be found. Fearing the worst, you rush to his room, where you find him face down on his desk, blood pooling around him: dead as an un-animated doornail.
You sort through his belongings in an attempt to work out who he was, and someone picks up a journal resting on his desk. It is bloodied, but Wheat_Grinder appears to have fallen in such a way to avoid it. The front of the book is finely lettered and reads: “The Memoirs of Dr. J. Watson”
Wheat_Grinder: Dr. Watson, Town Chronicler has been killed.
The holder of the book casually flicks through it. It mostly contains notes in flowing cursive of cases and adventures had with the meritable Mr. Sherlock Holmes, as well as some very bad poetry about him. A page toward the back catches their eye: the smeared ink and blood flecks imply that he was writing it just before he died. The name at the top is underlined: Gaea’s Regent. You all pour over Wheat_Grinder’s notes, examining his careful analysis of Gaea’s Regent’s room, behaviour and interactions. A number of hypotheses are scrawled, with arrows connecting parts of evidence.
The evidence, while disjointed and unfinished, is clear: Gaea’s Regent is no evil-doer. Gaea's Regent is Town
It is now Day 3. With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
So anyway, Vote Digi for lurking, making preemptive excuses for scummy play in response to sXe's question early in Day 1, and slinging around buzzwords and baseless speculation as though they can take the place of an actual case.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
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The only motive scum would have to falseclaim cop at that point is to try and pull out the CC.
From this, it's simple to determine the motivation behind yesterday's play. Vishamon falseclaims cop. Someone (Wheat_Grinder) CCs, and they kill the cop. I would also go so far as to venture that there is no town doctor, and more than likely a scum one as a result. This plan would only work if they knew that the cop would likely not be protected.
As a side note, in the event there was no counterclaim, Vishamon would be as good as confirmed town.
Now, looking at Void's post directly after Vishamon's claim, it says two important things:
1. Vishamon is scum. No ifs, ands, or buts.
2. Someone might not know how to CC.
From the earlier line of logic, one can see where this would fall into place. Void claims that Vishamon is scum in order to gain town credit, and at the same time, attempts to help bait out the CC. This post of his also reads as though he knew Vishamon would be CCed.
This unacceptable from someone as experinced as you.
You believed his claim without discussion which, to me, shows that you know more about this than the town, but this does not clear Vishamon either.
Then you didn't even mention the possibility of a CC in your post. We have players here who may not be experinced enough to know what to do in a claim situation like so. You being as experienced as you are I don't see you making this mistake unless you are scum trying to get the town to follow your direction. In other words: Getting the attention away from your scum buddy.
Add this on with the comment of "This wagon was fast" and "Do we want to lynch Vishamon becasue of said fast wagon" (both paraphrased). You're trying to hard to gain town credence in this situation.
this seems like pretty shoddy analysis... AI was the first one to vote me Today. If we were scum, why would he suddenly go from turbo bus to unvoting me as soon as I claimed?
I'm not sure how you could know that without either being mafia or having a completely absurd role, and I'm pretty sure that the latter is not the case.
And I and the rest of the town are glad that you are not.
Wait. @Void: you said earlier in the game that you somehow knew that Iso is town and now he's on your scum team list. Did I miss something? Care to explain what that was about?
I only came into the picture becasue I called out AsianI as being scum. Caught scum at that for his agreeing with GR about how "I knew Iso was town" even though I never stated it that way.
It turns out that using bad logic in an attempt to get a townie lynched is a scumtell. It also turns out that pursuing said scumtell is not OMGUS. Go figure.
It turns out that using bad logic in an attempt to get a townie lynched is a scumtell. It also turns out that pursuing said scumtell is not OMGUS. Go figure.
The only motive scum would have to falseclaim cop at that point is to try and pull out the CC.
And what does this have to do with me?
From this, it's simple to determine the motivation behind yesterday's play. Vishamon falseclaims cop. Someone (Wheat_Grinder) CCs, and they kill the cop. I would also go so far as to venture that there is no town doctor, and more than likely a scum one as a result. This plan would only work if they knew that the cop would likely not be protected.
You’re basing this information on assumed information. Either that or you know more about this setup than the town does.
Please give more support on why you believe there to be a Mafia Doctor and not a Town Doctor. The information you provided is near WIFOM since the possiblities cannot be determined at this juncture.
You’re pinning information on me that is speculation at best.
Now, looking at Void's post directly after Vishamon's claim, it says two important things:
1. Vishamon is scum. No ifs, ands, or buts.
2. Someone might not know how to CC.
From the earlier line of logic, one can see where this would fall into place. Void claims that Vishamon is scum in order to gain town credit, and at the same time, attempts to help bait out the CC. This post of his also reads as though he knew Vishamon would be CCed.
This unacceptable from someone as experinced as you.
You believed his claim without discussion which, to me, shows that you know more about this than the town, but this does not clear Vishamon either.
Then you didn't even mention the possibility of a CC in your post. We have players here who may not be experienced enough to know what to do in a claim situation like so. You being as experienced as you are I don't see you making this mistake unless you are scum trying to get the town to follow your direction. In other words: Getting the attention away from your scum buddy.
Add this on with the comment of "This wagon was fast" and "Do we want to lynch Vishamon becasue of said fast wagon" (both paraphrased). You're trying to hard to gain town credence in this situation.
Unvote Vote: AsianInvasion
I'm calling the scum team now:
AsianI
Digi
Vishamon
Iso
The two bolded areas are the only places that make mention of Vishamon.
The first instant does nothing to indicate that I know Vishasmon is scum.
The second instant, while can be viewed as knowing Vishamon’s alignment, is not the case. Looking at the context of the paragraph you know that I am referring CC’s. Based on the sentences prior to this paragraph, we know that I am not certain of Vishamon’s alignment. However, based on AsianI’s response to Vishamon’s claim I am certain that both AsianI and Vishamon are scum. That is why the second instant reads me as knowing Vishamon is scum.
2. You’re going to use the argument I used against AsianI against me. Fine. Let’s take another look at the what happened.
I'm Fergee - Town Cop
My flavor is about taking my role as an honorary judge seriously, and trying to uncover the truth while Judge Dredd is away at the convention.
Last night I targeted Digi, and got a result of Town.
This unacceptable from someone as experinced as you.
You believed his claim without discussion which, to me, shows that you know more about this than the town, but this does not clear Vishamon either.
Then you didn't even mention the possibility of a CC in your post. We have players here who may not be experinced enough to know what to do in a claim situation like so. You being as experienced as you are I don't see you making this mistake unless you are scum trying to get the town to follow your direction. In other words: Getting the attention away from your scum buddy.
Add this on with the comment of "This wagon was fast" and "Do we want to lynch Vishamon becasue of said fast wagon" (both paraphrased). You're trying to hard to gain town credence in this situation.
Unvote Vote: AsianInvasion
I'm calling the scum team now:
AsianI
Digi
Vishamon
Iso
Vishamon claims.
AsianI unvoted knowing of the newbs in this game and does nothing else to explain what could happen.
Void then posts explaining how AsianI slipped in his previous post with the explanation of how Asian failed to comment on how CCing works for the newbs.
What Cyouni is doing here is trying to paint me as scum for something AsianI slipped on.
Now either Cyouni and AsianI are Masons of some sort or they are scum together based on the following exhange:
This statement is not very compelling when the information you provided wasn’t accurate. I’m very interested in both AsianI and Cyouni at the moment. AsianI more than Cyouni.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So Void, you only began to suspect Cyouni after he voted you. And you accused me of OMGUS? Classic scum deflection.
Vote Void
I had reason to suspect Cyouni based on your interaction with him prior to the end of Day 2. But do note than I am not sure of Cyouni's alignment based on his case against me.
You two are either Unconfirmed Masons (this what I meant by "Masons of some sort) or scum.
If you two are uncofirmed Masons, then you are scum while Cyouni is town.
For you to call me making an OMGUS post couldn't be more wrong, becasue I am not calling Cyouni scum at the moment. I would say I have more of a null read on Cyouni until things become more clear.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You’re basing this information on assumed information. Either that or you know more about this setup than the town does.
Please give more support on why you believe there to be a Mafia Doctor and not a Town Doctor. The information you provided is near WIFOM since the possiblities cannot be determined at this juncture.
I'm assuming that the Mafia aren't complete morons, and weren't going to go around falseclaiming cop to get CCed without a plan to actually kill the cop. To do that, they'd have had to know that the cop would be unprotected after a claim, which more than likely means they have a Doctor, and were willing to bet that the town didn't. That wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption - I've seen maybe one game where both the scum and town had a doctor at the same time (CCMIV), which was just randomly hampering the scum.
That and any half-intelligent Doctor would have protected the cop. Once again, not an unreasonable assumption.
The two bolded areas are the only places that make mention of Vishamon.
The first instant does nothing to indicate that I know Vishasmon is scum.
The second instant, while can be viewed as knowing Vishamon’s alignment, is not the case. Looking at the context of the paragraph you know that I am referring CC’s. Based on the sentences prior to this paragraph, we know that I am not certain of Vishamon’s alignment. However, based on AsianI’s response to Vishamon’s claim I am certain that both AsianI and Vishamon are scum. That is why the second instant reads me as knowing Vishamon is scum.
So you managed to assume correctly that an un-CCed cop was lying and was going to be counterclaimed. Forgive me if I find that too massive of a coincidence.
There was no reason for you to assume that the un-CCed cop was scum unless you already knew the truth.
2. You’re going to use the argument I used against AsianI against me. Fine. Let’s take another look at the what happened.
Vishamon claims.
AsianI unvoted knowing of the newbs in this game and does nothing else to explain what could happen.
Void then posts explaining how AsianI slipped in his previous post with the explanation of how Asian failed to comment on how CCing works for the newbs.
What Cyouni is doing here is trying to paint me as scum for something AsianI slipped on.
Yet based on that, once again, you somehow manage to automatically know that Vishamon would be CCed. The amount of inside knowledge makes no sense.
Now either Cyouni and AsianI are Masons of some sort or they are scum together based on the following exhange:
This statement is not very compelling when the information you provided wasn’t accurate. I’m very interested in both AsianI and Cyouni at the moment. AsianI more than Cyouni.
Mudsling more. It just makes you look worse.
TL;DR: Your actions make no sense whatsoever unless you knew that Vishamon was going to be CCed. Two posts after Vishamon falseclaims cop, you immediately assume that there's a CC out there, and use that to start an argument against AI. Your entire argument against AI was predicated on Vishamon being CCed, which makes absolutely no sense unless you knew that Vishamon was falseclaiming.
In above post, fix second quote line to: "Also, it's terribly amusing how you argue that it's all speculation when that could be argued of any case. Mudslinging."
I don't understand either of your stances. Isn't it common to wait for a CC after a claim, especially one as profound as Cop?
Generally, yes. In my case, when it's something like Cop, I generally proceed as though it's correct unless someone CCs, since the only real time you'll see scum falseclaim Cop in a big game is to lure out the Cop.
On the other hand, if you look at Void's post regarding Vishamon's claim, there's absolutely no thought that Vishamon could be telling the truth. From start to finish, the assumption is that Vishamon's lying. Even the structure of the line regarding CCs:
Quote from Void »
Then you didn't even mention the possibility of a CC in your post. We have players here who may not be experienced enough to know what to do in a claim situation like so. You being as experienced as you are I don't see you making this mistake unless you are scum trying to get the town to follow your direction. In other words: Getting the attention away from your scum buddy.
It has his mindset show through. Read the lines carefully, especially the second one. "We have players here who may not be experienced enough to know what to do in a claim situation like so." That practically screams "there's going to be someone CCing, and they might not know how to do it". The only way he'd be acting as if he knew that is if he knew Vishamon was lying from the start.
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Void was the target of the Nightkill on Night 1. This is a fact. That is all I intend to divulge about my role for the time being. Any questions will be met with accusations of fishing. Void, do you have any light to shed on the subject?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
TL;DR: Your actions make no sense whatsoever unless you knew that Vishamon was going to be CCed. Two posts after Vishamon falseclaims cop, you immediately assume that there's a CC out there, and use that to start an argument against AI. Your entire argument against AI was predicated on Vishamon being CCed, which makes absolutely no sense unless you knew that Vishamon was falseclaiming.
And Cyouni perfectly summarizes the major flaw behind Void's push against me.
Void was the target of the Nightkill on Night 1. This is a fact. That is all I intend to divulge about my role for the time being. Any questions will be met with accusations of fishing. Void, do you have any light to shed on the subject?
The game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based Mafia.
Void was the target of the Nightkill on Night 1. This is a fact. That is all I intend to divulge about my role for the time being. Any questions will be met with accusations of fishing. Void, do you have any light to shed on the subject?
Unless you have mechanical proof of that (which I highly doubt), I'm going to keep ignoring you.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fine. All you need to know is that mesa keep an eye on me friends and when bad things happen to them my grief becomes anger.
OK, I figured out which character you are, but you can't expect us to take your word for it re: Void when his behavior has been so poor and you are refusing to claim how your ability revealed that he was the target of the N1 NK.
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I dont really understand where this iso stuff is going. Why did you super soft claim for AI?
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Yes. I can't tell if you are some sort of watcher, bodyguard (elite or otherwise), or something else entirely.
I notice that people's doors aren't closed so I check in on them and see if they're okay. I assumed the way Eco generated the scenes was strictly to add flavor to my ability, but then I visited Void on Night 1 and he was alive, so. All I know is whoever is targeted with a kill - that's it.
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I notice that people's doors aren't closed so I check in on them and see if they're okay. I assumed the way Eco generated the scenes was strictly to add flavor to my ability, but then I visited Void on Night 1 and he was alive, so. All I know is whoever is targeted with a kill - that's it.
Just for 100% clarity: You are explicitly informed of each player who is the target of a Nightkill (any and all Nightkills), aside from any other abilities you may or may not have?
You can probably figure out where I'm going with this.
Just for 100% clarity: You are explicitly informed of each player who is the target of a Nightkill (any and all Nightkills), aside from any other abilities you may or may not have?
You can probably figure out where I'm going with this.
Every time the mafia (attempts to) perform(s) a kill, I will be informed of it.
And no, I don't know where you're going with this, actually.
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So you are claiming auto tracker for mafia with a ability that unlocks by doing so?
Not as much I like digi for town as the claim is just weird.
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Explain?
Shouldn't you be pointing a finger at me, too, then? I thought I was hammering Vish.
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If you get to it before night great, if not then please on day 3 can you post a detailed explanation including which posts reya has made that supports your case against him. I would like to better understand the wagon you are making.
Vishamon - 8
AsianInvasion, Cyouni, Void, Allwinapprentice, Gaea's Regent, Weat_grinder ,Iso ,Reya Cookiebringer
Iso - 1
Digi
Not Voting - 5
Vishamon, Tordeck, sXe, Kill Joy, TheEndIsNear
***
Almost as soon as the bowls have been cleared away, Vishamon stands up and proclaims his great sorrow at the events of the previous day. Deep like the ocean is his regret, and heavy as a thousand stones is the weight upon his soul. Indeed, his very eyes seems to have greyed as troubles beyond his years settle upon his very brow.
However, some upstarts claim this is all an act. They decry these crocodile tears, and jostle Vishamon. He attempts to calm them down, but his attitude only seems to inflame them.
Desperate and protesting, Viashamon is lead to the still-hanging body of InfectiousBaloth. Cutting her down (with a wet thump), Viashamon is installed in her place. Standing on the stool above the mob, the look of sorrow in his eyes flashes into pure hatred:
"You fools, you'll die unknown! No-one cares about you!"
With a jerk, the stool is kicked out and Vishamon: Luigi, Mafia Permablocker dances on the end of the rope. Someone stoops down to pick up the green hat with an "L" emblazoned upon it. Who'd have thought this most well known of sidekicks could turn traitor to the system?
It is now Night 2, please do not post. Action deadlines will be much more strictly enforced, so please make an effort to get PMs in quickly. You have approximately 72 hours.
Wheat_Grinder’s bowl remains sitting in his place, empty. The man himself is nowhere to be found. Fearing the worst, you rush to his room, where you find him face down on his desk, blood pooling around him: dead as an un-animated doornail.
You sort through his belongings in an attempt to work out who he was, and someone picks up a journal resting on his desk. It is bloodied, but Wheat_Grinder appears to have fallen in such a way to avoid it. The front of the book is finely lettered and reads: “The Memoirs of Dr. J. Watson”
Wheat_Grinder: Dr. Watson, Town Chronicler has been killed.
The holder of the book casually flicks through it. It mostly contains notes in flowing cursive of cases and adventures had with the meritable Mr. Sherlock Holmes, as well as some very bad poetry about him. A page toward the back catches their eye: the smeared ink and blood flecks imply that he was writing it just before he died. The name at the top is underlined: Gaea’s Regent. You all pour over Wheat_Grinder’s notes, examining his careful analysis of Gaea’s Regent’s room, behaviour and interactions. A number of hypotheses are scrawled, with arrows connecting parts of evidence.
The evidence, while disjointed and unfinished, is clear: Gaea’s Regent is no evil-doer. Gaea's Regent is Town
It is now Day 3. With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
After my reread to me he just seems noob scum
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Yes, TEIN, I'd say it's a pretty fair assumption that what we have seen is the Nightkill, especially given that Wheat was the Cop.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Remind me why.
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Vote AsianInvasion
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The only motive scum would have to falseclaim cop at that point is to try and pull out the CC.
From this, it's simple to determine the motivation behind yesterday's play. Vishamon falseclaims cop. Someone (Wheat_Grinder) CCs, and they kill the cop. I would also go so far as to venture that there is no town doctor, and more than likely a scum one as a result. This plan would only work if they knew that the cop would likely not be protected.
As a side note, in the event there was no counterclaim, Vishamon would be as good as confirmed town.
Now, looking at Void's post directly after Vishamon's claim, it says two important things:
1. Vishamon is scum. No ifs, ands, or buts.
2. Someone might not know how to CC.
From the earlier line of logic, one can see where this would fall into place. Void claims that Vishamon is scum in order to gain town credit, and at the same time, attempts to help bait out the CC. This post of his also reads as though he knew Vishamon would be CCed.
Ergo, Void is scum.
Here are the quotes that made me believe AsianI is scum. If you need to me explain more on anything, just let me know.
The case is only more OMGUS.
Repsonding to Cyouni and his weak case next.
You’re basing this information on assumed information. Either that or you know more about this setup than the town does.
Please give more support on why you believe there to be a Mafia Doctor and not a Town Doctor. The information you provided is near WIFOM since the possiblities cannot be determined at this juncture.
You’re pinning information on me that is speculation at best.
Who cares about a “what if” situation at this point? You should be happy that Vishamon is dead scum rather than focusing on a “what if” situation.
1. Here is the post for reference:
The two bolded areas are the only places that make mention of Vishamon.
The first instant does nothing to indicate that I know Vishasmon is scum.
The second instant, while can be viewed as knowing Vishamon’s alignment, is not the case. Looking at the context of the paragraph you know that I am referring CC’s. Based on the sentences prior to this paragraph, we know that I am not certain of Vishamon’s alignment. However, based on AsianI’s response to Vishamon’s claim I am certain that both AsianI and Vishamon are scum. That is why the second instant reads me as knowing Vishamon is scum.
2. You’re going to use the argument I used against AsianI against me. Fine. Let’s take another look at the what happened.
Vishamon claims.
AsianI unvoted knowing of the newbs in this game and does nothing else to explain what could happen.
Void then posts explaining how AsianI slipped in his previous post with the explanation of how Asian failed to comment on how CCing works for the newbs.
What Cyouni is doing here is trying to paint me as scum for something AsianI slipped on.
Now either Cyouni and AsianI are Masons of some sort or they are scum together based on the following exhange:
This statement is not very compelling when the information you provided wasn’t accurate. I’m very interested in both AsianI and Cyouni at the moment. AsianI more than Cyouni.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vote Void
Please quote the post in which you claimed your role.
I had reason to suspect Cyouni based on your interaction with him prior to the end of Day 2. But do note than I am not sure of Cyouni's alignment based on his case against me.
You two are either Unconfirmed Masons (this what I meant by "Masons of some sort) or scum.
If you two are uncofirmed Masons, then you are scum while Cyouni is town.
For you to call me making an OMGUS post couldn't be more wrong, becasue I am not calling Cyouni scum at the moment. I would say I have more of a null read on Cyouni until things become more clear.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
That and any half-intelligent Doctor would have protected the cop. Once again, not an unreasonable assumption.
See above. Also, it's terribly amusing how
Why so panicky about simple analysis of the scum motivations? You're just looking to find any way to discredit my logic.
So you managed to assume correctly that an un-CCed cop was lying and was going to be counterclaimed. Forgive me if I find that too massive of a coincidence.
There was no reason for you to assume that the un-CCed cop was scum unless you already knew the truth.
Yet based on that, once again, you somehow manage to automatically know that Vishamon would be CCed. The amount of inside knowledge makes no sense.
Mudsling more. It just makes you look worse.
TL;DR: Your actions make no sense whatsoever unless you knew that Vishamon was going to be CCed. Two posts after Vishamon falseclaims cop, you immediately assume that there's a CC out there, and use that to start an argument against AI. Your entire argument against AI was predicated on Vishamon being CCed, which makes absolutely no sense unless you knew that Vishamon was falseclaiming.
Generally, yes. In my case, when it's something like Cop, I generally proceed as though it's correct unless someone CCs, since the only real time you'll see scum falseclaim Cop in a big game is to lure out the Cop.
On the other hand, if you look at Void's post regarding Vishamon's claim, there's absolutely no thought that Vishamon could be telling the truth. From start to finish, the assumption is that Vishamon's lying. Even the structure of the line regarding CCs:
It has his mindset show through. Read the lines carefully, especially the second one. "We have players here who may not be experienced enough to know what to do in a claim situation like so." That practically screams "there's going to be someone CCing, and they might not know how to do it". The only way he'd be acting as if he knew that is if he knew Vishamon was lying from the start.
So back off.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And Cyouni perfectly summarizes the major flaw behind Void's push against me.
The game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based Mafia.
The only info I have to shed is already in thread. I've bread crumbed my role well enough at this point.
As for what happened Night 1. I had no idea I was the target of the NK. I received no PM's about anything.
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I havent ever claimed my role....Was there a point when I needed too?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
At this point you really need to claim what you know and how you know it.
It's not fishing if you jump into the boat.
Fine. All you need to know is that mesa keep an eye on me friends and when bad things happen to them my grief becomes anger.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
OK, I figured out which character you are, but you can't expect us to take your word for it re: Void when his behavior has been so poor and you are refusing to claim how your ability revealed that he was the target of the N1 NK.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yes. I can't tell if you are some sort of watcher, bodyguard (elite or otherwise), or something else entirely.
For crying out loud the noob card on a NK?
I dont really understand where this iso stuff is going. Why did you super soft claim for AI?
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I notice that people's doors aren't closed so I check in on them and see if they're okay. I assumed the way Eco generated the scenes was strictly to add flavor to my ability, but then I visited Void on Night 1 and he was alive, so. All I know is whoever is targeted with a kill - that's it.
He's a pretty cool guy, eh. Catches scum and doesn't afraid of lynches.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Just for 100% clarity: You are explicitly informed of each player who is the target of a Nightkill (any and all Nightkills), aside from any other abilities you may or may not have?
You can probably figure out where I'm going with this.
Every time the mafia (attempts to) perform(s) a kill, I will be informed of it.
And no, I don't know where you're going with this, actually.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Fascinating.
What purpose do you think your role serves, mechanically?
It unlocks my ability. Which I've pretty much already claimed at this point as well.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
OK, I believe you for now. We will assuredly revisit this issue at a later juncture.
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His "role" even smells like bs.
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Not as much I like digi for town as the claim is just weird.
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