if you guys seriously think DK and I are gambitting you should probably give back your medical marijuana card because you've been hitting it way to hard and it's screwing up your mafia skills.
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if you guys seriously think DK and I are gambitting you should probably give back your medical marijuana card because you've been hitting it way to hard and it's screwing up your mafia skills.
lol wow this is snarky. my bad, didn't mean to sound like a complete ass.
the point still stands, DK and I gambit is so so so unlikely that you guys shouldn't even been seriously considering it.
What's more likely, that we're both scum and claiming power roles without being counter claimed by anyone while bussing our teammate?
or that we're both town power roles confirmed by one another leading to an autowin.
also this game might so that the Protective Role + Watcher/Stalker/Tracker combo is too pwoerful for basics and often just breaks the scums chances at winning.
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also this game might so that the Protective Role + Watcher/Stalker/Tracker combo is too pwoerful for basics and often just breaks the scums chances at winning.
As long as the roleblocker is out of the equation
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P9 - VT - Win
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
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Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
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lol wow this is snarky. my bad, didn't mean to sound like a complete ass.
the point still stands, DK and I gambit is so so so unlikely that you guys shouldn't even been seriously considering it.
What's more likely, that we're both scum and claiming power roles without being counter claimed by anyone while bussing our teammate?
or that we're both town power roles confirmed by one another leading to an autowin.
also this game might so that the Protective Role + Watcher/Stalker/Tracker combo is too pwoerful for basics and often just breaks the scums chances at winning.
It is remote, but not completely so. There is a single point in which a gambit like this will be pulled off.
But that's why we should all claim the day before lylo.
And also requires the protector and watcher to know each other which doesn't usually happen. In 23 basics, it's happened twice.
But maybe that's the point. Yanni has had prior experience with this, if he's scum and realized that Dork's falseclaim could be made out to do this, isn't it worth more than a roleblocker? He's got the town by the balls if we're wrong and they are scum. Essentially, what he's done is made he and DK the most valuable people in the game. If we, as the town, have both of them, he knows we won't lynch them. It's a crazy idea, but wouldn't it work?
I'm not saying that I think this is the case, and I'm probably just being overly paranoid. I just don't like the logic of "Lynch whoever, it doesn't matter! Lol! #easytownwin" (Not that that's what was said. :p)
If any of what I'm thinking is actually wrong, let me know. I know how very unlikely it is that it's the case, so I don't need to have the pointed out.
But maybe that's the point. Yanni has had prior experience with this, if he's scum and realized that Dork's falseclaim could be made out to do this, isn't it worth more than a roleblocker? He's got the town by the balls if we're wrong and they are scum. Essentially, what he's done is made he and DK the most valuable people in the game. If we, as the town, have both of them, he knows we won't lynch them. It's a crazy idea, but wouldn't it work?
I'm not saying that I think this is the case, and I'm probably just being overly paranoid. I just don't like the logic of "Lynch whoever, it doesn't matter! Lol! #easytownwin" (Not that that's what was said. :p)
If any of what I'm thinking is actually wrong, let me know. I know how very unlikely it is that it's the case, so I don't need to have the pointed out.
That's why we massclaim the day before lylo.
How many times have I said this now? Maybe more in my head.
I think it's well past that border. Supply your scumlists people. We follow Yannis plan of lynching the name that comes up the most. Easy as pie. If you're against following Yannis plan, you're probably scum and need to get lynched.
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Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Not Voting (4): 22bebo; Marblez; sXe; The Most Curious Thing
Focusing in on the last 4 as scum tends to be in there.
So that means I’m going to guess one of Dork Knight, Wheat_Grinder, Yanni, and Audinho are scum.
PBPA summary:
1. RVS vote on Marblez
2. Criticizes 22bebo, agrees with TMCT (shark) on Aud, votes DK for bad post.
3. Defends Yanni against Nis, DK is still scum, comments 22bebo is @ L-3
4. Seems to be very passive on 22bebo. Pf’s vote is “off” [22bebo is town]
5. Happy with DK lynch. I don’t believe it’s bussing. [DorkKnight is town]
6. Easily unvotes after basically tunneling DK.
7. Votes Aud for vote
8. Goes after lurker sXe over Marblez [sXe is likely town]
9. Does a PBPA on Aud. Bus?
So from initial list, DK is town, and Aud is possible bus target. Marblez is possible other scum not voting him.
By behavior of Cythare, I got 3 town. I’m happy about this. Make that 4. I forgot the Yanni CC.
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Shark that post is so badly formatted that I have no idea what you're talking about. Who is that a pbpa of and can you be more specific with who you think is scum?
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Sorry if the format is bad. But summary again what I did.
1st, isolated the last 4 votes as someone on cythare is likely scum.
2nd, did a PBPA on cythare but I couldn't quote so the list were highlights from my notes
3rd I put my results.
22bebo, sXe, dork knight, and yanni are all town based on interactions with cythare.
Aud and marblez are likely scum based on interactions with cythare. Again, been busy so I have not fully digested the game to desired level.
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Alright, before my reread, I'd like to get Void's opinion on his (Yanni's) idea of what we're doing. And whoever replaces PinkFloyd. (And the others since it appears that will happen too . . .)
"Kill" is a word from a scum mindset. Not certain at all of this, but it's a theory of mine that town does not use words like "kill", "murder", "mutilate" and so on. (It's stronger I believe when actually used about a player, not a stage of the game, but town players are there to catch while scum players are here to kill, which makes the word pop into scummy minds.)
vote 22bebo
Not liking the reasoning behind the vote, but the post comes from a town mindset.
I said you seemed to be trying to slide under the radar, showing that you're there without participating in RVS so you won't get on anyone's bad side. How is that in any way similar to trying to Kill RVS?
Vote 22bebo
PF's first point about you was worth taking a look at as possibly portraying a scum mindset. Your reactions have been horrible and this last misrep is the worst.
I fully support this vote at the time it happened.
It's a typical DK post. I hate to read them, but that's how a lot of them are -- it's null to me. 22's responses also look more or less null.
This is the post I hate:
That's too nervous and too shifty for my liking. Do you think "clearing" KK as town makes you look like a good townie yourself? I see no reason how that clears KK in the least.
You then vote for 22 on a language tell.
Vote Audinho
Comments on DK and Audinho, but ignores 22 Bebo. If 22 Bebo flips scum, then TMCT/Shark is likely to be scum as well.
Then we have a meta defense of DK which isn’t compelling in the least. Now we have two “if” situations. If TMCT/Shark flips town, then DK is likely to be scum as well.
Alright, I can't provide any defense against those points because there's no concrete evidence for them. Can you tell me how you think I was trying to end RVS in most post? I honestly don't see any way it could be interpreted that way, but I'm obviously wrong.
Also, if PinkFloyd is scum (Not saying he is, just saying IF he is) then couldn't he just be like "Yep, that's totally what I meant," to your "Correct me if I'm wrong," stuff. Isn't that coaching? Or am I very confused on what coaching is?
Still misrepresenting KoolKoal and now we have an over reaction to nothing about PF.
I guess I wasn't aware that you could just end RVS like that. I'm going to try that next game I'm in because I *hate* RVS.
And for the record, you STILL haven't explained WHAT you called me/us out on? From my point of view here is what happened.
Me- random vote for stupid reason
blah blah blah
pf- dork is obv scum
Me- mentally double checking role PM
blah blah blah
Me- sarvcastic post about lurkers
pf- obv scum is obv. kill himz.
Me- ???
Granted, its a bit simplistic, but I think it covers all the bases. You're calling me scum based on 2(?) posts, one of which was a random vote. The other in which I admitting ignoring you because a- you were wrong via my role pm and b- you had no case to defend against.
What did you want me to say to your accusation? "Am not scum, you're a doody head!"?
*shrug*
I'll try that next time you call me scum and see if you accept that as a defense, lol.
A complete over reaction to every thing. I’m not sure why DK decided to respond this way when there was no pressure on him in the least.
I'm sorry I haven't been on for enough time in the past two days to post? I didn't want to pop on to say three words and disappear because that would be silly and scummy.
And, everything that I responded to (Except the last non-game relevant bit) was before Nis really started going at it. When I answered Cythare, he was two posts into his "case" if it's enough to be called that.
Only scum feel like they need to apologize for being absent because of a guilty conscious. Town rarely feel the need too.
Sorry bout the lurking. Bad excuses is all I'd come up with. will be making an effort to post more.
So, right now I'm thinking that Dork is town, he brings up good points and the push onto him seemed good at the beginning but is slowly falling apart in my eyes.
Half hearted defense of DK.
There is a lot of attention around DK just from the start of Day 1. No matter what DK flips there will be a lot of information to gain. I’m still reading DK as scum with possible scum buddies in mind.
Why are you using Wheat's RVS posts against him when you won't accept your RVS posts in the case against you?
Why do you care? This reeks of a Dork + Cythare scumteam.
I'll ask directly: would you have voted Wheat if he hadn't voted you? I'm trying to look at this as more than an OMGUS vote but I can't. And it doesn't gel with this:
...because it looks to me like you're not being "honest and objective" now that Wheat's targeting you. Why are/were you more willing to vote for Wheat than pf?
Your scumhunting of Wheat is far from genuine by your own standards, and it would probably still look that way if he hadn't voted you first. I thought you were anti-town town instead of anti-town scum until this post.
Vote Dork Knight
I'm looking at a Dork + Cythare scumteam or a Dork + Marblez scumteam. I have a null read on 22 -- I hate that he hid behind Cythare and then hid behind Nis later, but that's circumstantial.
Name the specific points you think are "good." And help scumhunt if you don't think that Dork is.
I find myself disagreeing with the Cythare/DK scum team. Their interactions thus far don’t read that way.
The push on DK is rather weak compared to what is out there already. I’m not certain that this is a bus of scum buddy, but I’m still entertaining the TMCT/DK scum team regardless.
The comments towards Marblez is coaching and not the type of coaching that you would do for newb town. The “help scumhunt” comment is what gave me this read.
I'm Tony Starch, Town Watcher. I can watch one player per night and I know who targeted them and who they targeted. I am not told what ability they used or what was used on them. There wasn't a whole lot of info in my PM and the first post specifically states not to paraphrase too closely, so I had to ask about my wording. As far as flavor goes, there really wasn't any in my PM. I have no idea how a potato that looks like Iron Man is a watcher, but there you have it.
This reminds me Basic #61 Ghost Story. I replaced into a role where someone botched the claim. This is reminding me of just that. DK is scum for screwing up his false claim. This ability is a Stalker and not a Watcher. We are also in a Basic Game which means role abilities would not be switched to confuse the town. Basic games means Basic roles which mean Basic mechanics. DK is scum.
I am William S. Johnson, the town pastor. I have the power to shield someone once during the day (if they're targeted by the mafia that night, they do not die). I cannot target myself.
And the following are the after game comments showing why Brofaux should not have lived:
Also Brofraux with the lurking and eagerness to lynch... Yeah obvscum is obvious. If I had been allowed to live/protected, I would have cracked the dichotomy if fluffy had been willing to talk.
Seems rather gutsy to be a false claim. And so easy to counterclaim. This is a basic after all.
Except a Basic Game would stick to the Basic Roles and not give a Watcher ability something that a Watcher wouldn’t do. At that exact point is when this game would become a Mini or Normal Game.
@bebo- what you don't seem to understand is that if I falseclaimed this ability and then tried to lie about my results, there would be 2 people for each lie who could catch me. The targeter and the targetee. It would be stupid for me to false claim this ability.
You’re leaving out the fact that if you are on the scum team, then you will target the player being the NK. You would get the result of someone targeting him and then lie about the information. We got the next Day and we hopefully lynch scum. If we lynch town, then we know you lied DK and that you are scum. However, this would result in 3 dead townies for 1 dead scum (Day 1 lynch + NK + Day 2 lynch of a townie). A 3 for 1 as scum is a decent play. More so when you have the chance of getting a PR lynched on Day 2 because of your claimed ability.
The other possibility is that you claim to be Role Blocked at the start of Day 2 which would lead to more madness.
I will have to wait and see what the start of Day 2 brings us to get a solid read on you.
If you aren't CC'd with that double-ability then you're not the lynch Today
This read to me as TMCT was hoping for a CC. Also note that TMCT called it a double-ability. Once again, this is a Basic Game where Basic Roles are distributed and not a role that would go against the Basic Watcher role.
I'm still not seeing Audinho as scum thus far, so I don't put much stock in your theory. This did stand out to me however:
After Cythare's already cautious play, he changes from lecturing sXe to voting him after Audinho says its what town should do. Cythare distances himself from the quote, calling it mildly scummy, and then votes a lurker anyways? I think we may have something here.
Vote Cythare
I like your reasoning here. Going to put Cythare in my leaning scum pile for this.
Yanni announced that he would be protecting you. How would the correct move if he's scum be to kill you when he claims to have the protective role?
Anyway, that's just nitpicking. I, for one, am not going to spend my time worrying that Yanni is gambiting. If he actually is, someone either didn't counter claim (highly doubtful) or we have no protective role (even more unlikely). If either of those cases are true, we've already lost, so might as well play with the belief that the more likely scenario is 100% true.
Scenario’s like this call for Occam’s Razor. The razor says they are not gambitting, but DK could be gambitting on his own accord and using Yanni* Void (Void) to gain the town credence.
Alright, before my reread, I'd like to get Void's opinion on his (Yanni's) idea of what we're doing. And whoever replaces PinkFloyd. (And the others since it appears that will happen too . . .)
I’m not sure what you are referring too. Are you talking about the scum lists that Yanni suggested or the possibility that a gambit has occurred with Yanni and DK? Please be more specific.
Wheaties
Why do you believe TMCT/Shark to be town?
The "but DK could be gambitting on his own accord and using Yanni* Void (Void) to gain the town credence." should read as this "but DK could be gambitting on his own accord and using Yanni/*me to gain the town credence."
The /*me I had put in their without the "*" to it caused the purple to show. Sorry for any confusion on this matter.
Omg. That was a really really long post, Voidy. Welcome to the game btw <3
I find that I disagree with you on DK. His role would be counterclaimed by any other investigative role, and safely so with Yannis/yours claim of Bodyguard.
I feel like lynching lurkers to avoid this becoming Ghost Story all over again. Marblez grand totalt of two posts makes it really hard to have any read at all. sXe also has very few posts, but at least his was scummy ("I haven't had time. But now I have time. Will provide content" -> not delivering on promise)
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Damnation studios!
P9 - VT - Win
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
* Dork Knight cries quietly while banging head on desk.
@Void- "I live to serve" was sarcasm. Someone asked me a question and when I answered it, someone else asked why it was relevant. I could have also said "No idea why its relevant, that's above my pay grade."
Void: I'm going to put aside the terrible idea of lynching the un-CCed info role for now. If you keep arguing for it, I'll join in to persuade you otherwise.
At one point you mention WG as a possible scum for giving credit to DK's claim. Wheat is actually the one person I have as leaning scum aside from marblez/sXe, which barely count imo because they're just on it for inactivity. Though I can't make up my mind about him because of his extremely early vote on Cythare. I'm going to work in an hour, so the pbpa I want to do won't get done until tomorrow.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Void: I'm going to put aside the terrible idea of lynching the un-CCed info role for now. If you keep arguing for it, I'll join in to persuade you otherwise.
At one point you mention WG as a possible scum for giving credit to DK's claim. Wheat is actually the one person I have as leaning scum aside from marblez/sXe, which barely count imo because they're just on it for inactivity. Though I can't make up my mind about him because of his extremely early vote on Cythare. I'm going to work in an hour, so the pbpa I want to do won't get done until tomorrow.
This does not make sense. "Don't lynch un-cc'd PR". "Wheat is possible scum for giving credit to the claim of the un-cc'd PR".
This does not make sense. "Don't lynch un-cc'd PR". "Wheat is possible scum for giving credit to the claim of the un-cc'd PR".
Mostly, I want to see if Void finds you scummy for any decent reasons like I believe I do. I'm not pressuring him about it, because he's town, but just informing him of a pbpa incoming.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Void: I'm going to put aside the terrible idea of lynching the un-CCed info role for now. If you keep arguing for it, I'll join in to persuade you otherwise.
At one point you mention WG as a possible scum for giving credit to DK's claim. Wheat is actually the one person I have as leaning scum aside from marblez/sXe, which barely count imo because they're just on it for inactivity. Though I can't make up my mind about him because of his extremely early vote on Cythare. I'm going to work in an hour, so the pbpa I want to do won't get done until tomorrow.
This.
The interaction between WG and DK, where DK botched his claim, WG mentions the Stalker ability from Basic #53 and how the role is possible for Basic Games. This statement is true, but WG leaves out the information that abilities do not get twisted around in Basic Games.
I will gladly suffice to lynching WG toDay so long has DK gets lynched tomorrow. I'm near certain that these two are the final scum. The interaction was all wrong.
Btw, if the investigative PR is an experienced player, then they may not CC right away, because they know the other person is scum, but they want to use their ability to find the other scum members before outing themself.
With all this said:
Unvote: Dork Knight Vote: Wheat Grinder
I don't believe I have been anymore sure of the scum team than I am now. By that I mean in all the games I have player. (20+)
DO NOT LYNCH DORK KNIGHT UNTIL A MASSCLAIM. HIS ALIGNMENT WILL BE CONFIRMED.
If you require it, I will gladly be lynched just to show you this is coming from a town mindset. And then you will target DK and you will massclaim tomorrow.
If you do not I will haunt you until the end of time.
If Void is unable to unwilling to comprehend his predecessor's plan, and loses the game for the town, then he should be ok with changing his sig to "Mr. Potato Head Mafia: Town LVP- Single-handedly screwed up an auto-win for the town."
EBWODP- in case you're wondering, I absolutely *detest* people who post crap like "I am one million percent sure that so-and-so is scum." Because unless the person you're talking about has already been lynched you are NOT sure. Millers, Godfathers, Traitors, etc all exist so not even a perfectly sane COP is ever sure of his target's alignment. That's not taking into account Naive, paranoid, or reverse cops. So anytime, someone posts that nonsense, I immediately bet them their sig space. If they lose, they have to proclaim that they suck at reading people for an acceptable amount of time. If they win, I happily change my signature to worship them and proclaim their greatness. The last person to win this bet with me was AniX.
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lol wow this is snarky. my bad, didn't mean to sound like a complete ass.
the point still stands, DK and I gambit is so so so unlikely that you guys shouldn't even been seriously considering it.
What's more likely, that we're both scum and claiming power roles without being counter claimed by anyone while bussing our teammate?
or that we're both town power roles confirmed by one another leading to an autowin.
also this game might so that the Protective Role + Watcher/Stalker/Tracker combo is too pwoerful for basics and often just breaks the scums chances at winning.
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As long as the roleblocker is out of the equation
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
It is remote, but not completely so. There is a single point in which a gambit like this will be pulled off.
But that's why we should all claim the day before lylo.
And also requires the protector and watcher to know each other which doesn't usually happen. In 23 basics, it's happened twice.
Not super broken, imo.
As far as rereading, I'll see about getting around to it at some point. I've got Borderlands 2 to play, and homework to do.
But maybe that's the point. Yanni has had prior experience with this, if he's scum and realized that Dork's falseclaim could be made out to do this, isn't it worth more than a roleblocker? He's got the town by the balls if we're wrong and they are scum. Essentially, what he's done is made he and DK the most valuable people in the game. If we, as the town, have both of them, he knows we won't lynch them. It's a crazy idea, but wouldn't it work?
I'm not saying that I think this is the case, and I'm probably just being overly paranoid. I just don't like the logic of "Lynch whoever, it doesn't matter! Lol! #easytownwin" (Not that that's what was said. :p)
If any of what I'm thinking is actually wrong, let me know. I know how very unlikely it is that it's the case, so I don't need to have the pointed out.
That's why we massclaim the day before lylo.
How many times have I said this now? Maybe more in my head.
Because I totally forgot all my reads overNight.
You're right though, I remember why I was after him now. He and Cythare were tied together pretty well.
Unvote, Vote: Audinho
Several. I guess you're right, but I'm still weary of the idea . . .
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
all 22bebo and the others who keep arguing about this are doing is fear mongering and distracting the town.
scum lists, chop chop.
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Focusing in on the last 4 as scum tends to be in there.
So that means I’m going to guess one of Dork Knight, Wheat_Grinder, Yanni, and Audinho are scum.
PBPA summary:
1. RVS vote on Marblez
2. Criticizes 22bebo, agrees with TMCT (shark) on Aud, votes DK for bad post.
3. Defends Yanni against Nis, DK is still scum, comments 22bebo is @ L-3
4. Seems to be very passive on 22bebo. Pf’s vote is “off” [22bebo is town]
5. Happy with DK lynch. I don’t believe it’s bussing. [DorkKnight is town]
6. Easily unvotes after basically tunneling DK.
7. Votes Aud for vote
8. Goes after lurker sXe over Marblez [sXe is likely town]
9. Does a PBPA on Aud. Bus?
So from initial list, DK is town, and Aud is possible bus target. Marblez is possible other scum not voting him.
By behavior of Cythare, I got 3 town. I’m happy about this. Make that 4. I forgot the Yanni CC.
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
1st, isolated the last 4 votes as someone on cythare is likely scum.
2nd, did a PBPA on cythare but I couldn't quote so the list were highlights from my notes
3rd I put my results.
22bebo, sXe, dork knight, and yanni are all town based on interactions with cythare.
Aud and marblez are likely scum based on interactions with cythare. Again, been busy so I have not fully digested the game to desired level.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
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Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
Seeking a replacement for Yanni.
Prodding Marblez and sXe. They have 48 hours to post or be replaced.
*sigh*
You guys better realize how much I love you cause I could get myself suspended right now without batting an eyelash, but I won't.
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I guess I'll start looking for a replacement for pf. You guys are killing me here!
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Oh dear, off to the community issues for me I guess, see what's going down . . .
Anyways, I'll do a reread tomorrow. Because when I put deadlines on myself I do things, and because I haven't had time to do a solid one so far.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Expect a post from me sometime tomorrow on the happenings of this game thus far.
#18: Doesn't like a DK post
#130: Thinks DK is town because his wagon is falling apart.
That's it from him...-_-.
Audun's will be more fruitful I hope.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Avoiding voting for players in RVS to not have a guilty conscious later.
Same as above.
See above.
See above.
Caught exactly what I was seeing.
Nervous banter at the end does not reflect well on Audinho.
Over persistent for the start of the game, but the post doesn’t rub the wrong way.
I’m not a fan of the word “Well” prior to a sentence starting. Makes me believe the person is trying to over think an answer.
“I’m not scum because PF is wrong!”
Not liking the reasoning behind the vote, but the post comes from a town mindset.
I fully support this vote at the time it happened.
Comments on DK and Audinho, but ignores 22 Bebo. If 22 Bebo flips scum, then TMCT/Shark is likely to be scum as well.
Then we have a meta defense of DK which isn’t compelling in the least. Now we have two “if” situations. If TMCT/Shark flips town, then DK is likely to be scum as well.
Still misrepresenting KoolKoal and now we have an over reaction to nothing about PF.
Did you forget to have this in your post originally or did it come to you afterwards?
Excellent response. This is exactly what I was thinking as well.
A complete over reaction to every thing. I’m not sure why DK decided to respond this way when there was no pressure on him in the least.
I disagree with the quoted post being an over reaction. I would say that PF reacted harder than DK in this post.
Good catch. DK is very likely to be scum.
Only scum feel like they need to apologize for being absent because of a guilty conscious. Town rarely feel the need too.
I wouldn’t have expected you to actually use that line. Let alone in this game!
Half hearted defense of DK.
There is a lot of attention around DK just from the start of Day 1. No matter what DK flips there will be a lot of information to gain. I’m still reading DK as scum with possible scum buddies in mind.
+town for PF after this post.
I find myself disagreeing with the Cythare/DK scum team. Their interactions thus far don’t read that way.
The push on DK is rather weak compared to what is out there already. I’m not certain that this is a bus of scum buddy, but I’m still entertaining the TMCT/DK scum team regardless.
The comments towards Marblez is coaching and not the type of coaching that you would do for newb town. The “help scumhunt” comment is what gave me this read.
I sure hope I find reasoning for this later.
This reminds me Basic #61 Ghost Story. I replaced into a role where someone botched the claim. This is reminding me of just that. DK is scum for screwing up his false claim. This ability is a Stalker and not a Watcher. We are also in a Basic Game which means role abilities would not be switched to confuse the town. Basic games means Basic roles which mean Basic mechanics. DK is scum.
Brofaux’s botched claim from Ghost Story:
And the following are the after game comments showing why Brofaux should not have lived:
Back on to the read through.
Except a Basic Game would stick to the Basic Roles and not give a Watcher ability something that a Watcher wouldn’t do. At that exact point is when this game would become a Mini or Normal Game.
You’re leaving out the fact that if you are on the scum team, then you will target the player being the NK. You would get the result of someone targeting him and then lie about the information. We got the next Day and we hopefully lynch scum. If we lynch town, then we know you lied DK and that you are scum. However, this would result in 3 dead townies for 1 dead scum (Day 1 lynch + NK + Day 2 lynch of a townie). A 3 for 1 as scum is a decent play. More so when you have the chance of getting a PR lynched on Day 2 because of your claimed ability.
The other possibility is that you claim to be Role Blocked at the start of Day 2 which would lead to more madness.
I will have to wait and see what the start of Day 2 brings us to get a solid read on you.
This read to me as TMCT was hoping for a CC. Also note that TMCT called it a double-ability. Once again, this is a Basic Game where Basic Roles are distributed and not a role that would go against the Basic Watcher role.
If those 3 are the scum in this game, then the town has already loss.
But DK did not claim stalker. He claimed Watcher.
DK and Wheat scum team as of this post.
The bolded strikes me as odd, but I’m not sure if this is game related or OoG.
DK
The bolded above. Was it meant for in game or OoG?
I like your reasoning here. Going to put Cythare in my leaning scum pile for this.
Nis is confirmed town. The information just started pouring in. I will be returning to this after I finish the read through.
Scenario’s like this call for Occam’s Razor. The razor says they are not gambitting, but DK could be gambitting on his own accord and using Yanni* Void (Void) to gain the town credence.
I’m not sure what you are referring too. Are you talking about the scum lists that Yanni suggested or the possibility that a gambit has occurred with Yanni and DK? Please be more specific.
Wheaties
Why do you believe TMCT/Shark to be town?
Town
Nis (Confirmed)
Leaning Town
KoolKoal
Null
pinkfloyd
sXe
Wheat Grinder
Leaning Scum
Marblez
SharkFinnigan (r. TMCT)
Scum
22Bebo
Audinho
Dork Knight
Cythare (Confirmed)
My preferred lynch order: DK, 22Bebo, Audinho, SharkFinnigan followed by Marblez.
Vote: Dork Knight
I'm going to look back and Cythare and Nis for interactions. Expect a interactions chart to be brought forward.
That purple part was a mistake in the post.
The "but DK could be gambitting on his own accord and using Yanni* Void (Void) to gain the town credence." should read as this "but DK could be gambitting on his own accord and using Yanni/*me to gain the town credence."
The /*me I had put in their without the "*" to it caused the purple to show. Sorry for any confusion on this matter.
I find that I disagree with you on DK. His role would be counterclaimed by any other investigative role, and safely so with Yannis/yours claim of Bodyguard.
I feel like lynching lurkers to avoid this becoming Ghost Story all over again. Marblez grand totalt of two posts makes it really hard to have any read at all. sXe also has very few posts, but at least his was scummy ("I haven't had time. But now I have time. Will provide content" -> not delivering on promise)
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
I liked his logic in post 133.
NO. BAD.
If DK is scum we'll find out the day before lylo when we massclaim; if he's town then we are on autowin.
You must target DK who targets you, and we must NOT lynch him right now.
@Void- "I live to serve" was sarcasm. Someone asked me a question and when I answered it, someone else asked why it was relevant. I could have also said "No idea why its relevant, that's above my pay grade."
I lol'ed.
Void: Wheatums is absolutely right. Don't mess this up.
Damnation studios!
Zodiac - Doublevoter - Loss
Starcraft - VT - Loss
The Office - Mafia Rolecop - Win
1984 - VT - Vigged - Loss
Quantum - Lynched D1 Alpha Mafia - Win
Mean Girls - Town Masonizer Replaced into lynch - Loss
Startrek Voyager - Backup JOAT - Loss
Boardgame - VT- Loss
Ghost Story - VT - (replaced in)
Smalltown Animaniacs - Delay Doc - Loss
Kill Bill - One-shot Vig - Loss
Magical Girls -
Mr Potato Head -
Work hard, play casually
At one point you mention WG as a possible scum for giving credit to DK's claim. Wheat is actually the one person I have as leaning scum aside from marblez/sXe, which barely count imo because they're just on it for inactivity. Though I can't make up my mind about him because of his extremely early vote on Cythare. I'm going to work in an hour, so the pbpa I want to do won't get done until tomorrow.
This does not make sense. "Don't lynch un-cc'd PR". "Wheat is possible scum for giving credit to the claim of the un-cc'd PR".
This.
The interaction between WG and DK, where DK botched his claim, WG mentions the Stalker ability from Basic #53 and how the role is possible for Basic Games. This statement is true, but WG leaves out the information that abilities do not get twisted around in Basic Games.
I will gladly suffice to lynching WG toDay so long has DK gets lynched tomorrow. I'm near certain that these two are the final scum. The interaction was all wrong.
Btw, if the investigative PR is an experienced player, then they may not CC right away, because they know the other person is scum, but they want to use their ability to find the other scum members before outing themself.
With all this said:
Unvote: Dork Knight
Vote: Wheat Grinder
I don't believe I have been anymore sure of the scum team than I am now. By that I mean in all the games I have player. (20+)
If you require it, I will gladly be lynched just to show you this is coming from a town mindset. And then you will target DK and you will massclaim tomorrow.
If you do not I will haunt you until the end of time.
Unvote, Vote: Wheat_Grinder
If Void is unable to unwilling to comprehend his predecessor's plan, and loses the game for the town, then he should be ok with changing his sig to "Mr. Potato Head Mafia: Town LVP- Single-handedly screwed up an auto-win for the town."
No.
I am still searching for a replacement for sXe.
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Wheat_Grinder (2): Void; Wheat_Grinder
Not Voting (8): Audinho; 22bebo; SharkFinnigan; KoolKoal; Raging Levine; Dork Knight; sXe; pinkfloyd
With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
I am also seeking a replacement for pinkfloyd who I just realized should have been replaced before Marblez.
Oops, sorry, guys.
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