Oh god this post. This is like the only content post in two weeks, so that's all that's there to analyze. But oh god this post.
Break it down.
One: he apparently did not lurk. This is obviously a bold-faced lie, as this post contains the sum of his posts the last two weeks, in no particular order. I'll get to some of the others later. But for example:
So here is where you put words in my mouth. You say I said I didn't lurk. I said I did neither of "add to discussion /or/ respond when players accuse you of scummy behavior" I never even mentioned lurking.
None of these even remotely try and add anything. Anyways, moving on.
Strawman. As well, humour included to try and create a joking feeling. This is similar to the tell based on an overuse of emoticons - trying to create an emotion connection, or appeal to emotion.
No idea what strawman is but I think you are trying to hard to find something where there is not, are you trying to justify your acting scummy?
Also, it's interesting how he uses the specific words that he "claims" he's town in a post like this. With this emotion, it flows much more naturally if it simply says "I said that I'm town" or some variant. See the second half, where he says it's his first game.
(Note: whenever I use interesting, I'm using the version that's a polite way of saying it's bad.)
It's interesting that of the people not on his wagon, he specifically mentioned Digi and Kill-joy, but didn't mention Void. Suspicious avoidance and selection.
Forgot about Void, I trust Iso's judgement and he seems to say Void is town.
That's all for that post, but there's more:
And then this is just a standard "Oh I'm doing stuff don't lynch me". Hell, even the first sentence "here's to add content". He's not adding content because he wants to, he's adding content because he's been pressured. It's just pure flailing.
I don't feel pressured, I'm getting interested in the game, Allwin seems scum to me, the person who feels the scummiest to me at this point. I said here's to add content because the OP told me to "pick it up".
Not to mention the fact that he's at L-2, seen two people at L-2, yet doesn't claim. There's no way he can pull the noob card on that.
Don't know what L-2 is, explain? And is claim a specific term, or just the equivalent of "say".
Edited for readability. ('nathed somewhat by Cyouni.)
@TEIN: To "claim" is to paraphrase and reveal one's alignment and role. Generally, players should only claim when at L-2 (two votes away from being lynched) or it is endgame and players are mass-claiming in an attempt to solve the game). You are at L-2. SOP dictates that you should claim.
Kay, fine. I'll take that too. When accused of lurking, you immediately pop up and start answering. When I make this case against you, guess whose post is the first responding?
Yet you add no other content at all.
Yeah, that's classic OMGUS. And not the town kind. That's deliberate mudslinging, specifically timed.
You're attempting to pretend that everything against you is because you're "new". However, that's a misrepresentation of the case against you used as a metaphorical punching bag in order to make it easier to defend against.
You only "claim" you're town but "say" it's your first game. The fact that the words are different in the same sentence is telling.
Well, let's see. Who's on your wagon?
Tordeck, Gaea's Regent, Reya Cookiebringer, Cyouni, Allwinapprentice.
Who did you say was scum? Tordeck, Cyouni, Allwinapprentice (Oh, and technically Reya, but you had to back off on that because it'd just look even more terrible if you tried to call 4/5 people on your wagon scum.)
Who's confirmed town? Gaea's Regent.
And you remembered to mention kill-joy, who has made a sum total of three posts in the entirety of Day 2 and 3.
Forgive me if I don't see that as a coincidence.
Mhm. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you have literally not provided any content and are being wagoned for that.
And the first thing you were thinking about your scum suspect was that his claim was correct.
Yeah, that's not believable in any way.
Let's look at past posts:
Yeah, there is no possible way you went through all that, didn't know what it meant, and never asked.
This is just disingeniously playing dumb in the most obvious way possible.
I read this thread multiple times a day, so?
I'm not on my computer so it's hard to answer to everything, but you seem to be pushing for weird things where there isn't anything. I remembered killjoy cause he posted in the last page/or he got prodded and I saw his name there. Is it so hard to believe I missed one player? There's nothing odd about the players who I thought to be scum. Most players don't even register in my mind due to not having posted a lot. I didn't even remember you until today. I can think of AI/Iso/GR/Reya/Allwin/You. Iso and AI seem very town to me, but then again it can be my noobieness. I forgot what L-x meant but I got it before reading the end of your post. Sorry new player :/
Wait wasn't TEIN protecting allwin along with himself as "the most town players" day 1?
I'm also not buying that on day 3 he does not know what a claim is.
@ Iso. Wagon went way too fast? HAVE YOU EVEN READ ONE OF HIS POSTS? LOOK AT HIS BEHAVIOR.
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I can Track (see who the person targets)
or I can Watch (see who targets the person)
Or I can forgo using the ability one night to track and watch a player on the following night.
I didn't think of it. I kinda was slow in using my ability so couldn't think things through.
If you were me and I were you, how would you respond to me saying that, as the tracker/watcher, I didn't track or watch the player who counter-claimed dead scum as the cop?
Theres a limit of 72 hours no? I realized I was close to it, PMed eco and went "hmmm, who do I pick?" I remembered the allwin controversy from day one and went with him.
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Actually, being new to this and all, how is voting for a noob town a good idea? At the very least im a waste of a nightkill or an extra vote. Or is it the "i cant believe you screwed up, you should be punished?"
Buoyed by yesterday's success, the accusations fly thick and fast. TheEndIsNear participates little: he sits, shrouded by shadow, watching and absorbing. This behaviour is picked upon. How can such subterfuge contribute? Who does he think he is, trying to fade away from view?
Without time to protest, TheEndIsNear is torn from his seat and set into the noose, and is asked for his last words.
"I have failed you, Inspector!" he cries and leaps off the stool, coming to a jerking halt in mid air.
TheEndIsNear: Cato Fong, Town Tracker/Watcher has been lynhced.
It is now Night 3, please do not post. Night will try and actually last 72 hours this time.
Another day, another delicious bowl of gruel for you all! In fact, today's is extra-special because it has even more reconstituted parts of people! Better gobble down those gristly bits before they're all gone!
Sadly, the empty place at the table indicates that one among you will never get to share in this delicacy. You rush to Gaea's Regent's room, knowing in the pit of your stomach what is to come.
You are right.
Gaea's Regent: Samwise Gamgee, Town SuperDoc lies peacefully in his bed, the sheets stained a dark crimson from the gash in his throat: dead as hobbit can be.
You all look around: there are fewer and fewer of you now, and the cost of resolution settles heavily upon you.
On the bright side, at least we have plenty of gruel stock!
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My vote is only to apply pressure and show interest in KillJoy at this time. I do not have a case built up against him because there just isnt enough posts for me to build a case either way town or scum. So this vote is done in a hopes we can hear something from him finally on Day 4 and hopefully I can get a more informed decision of him
Kj really has not done anything lately. He has averaged like a post a week over the last month. I'm surprised he hasn't been replaced. He fence sat on TEIN and I can't really find any interaction between him and vish. I wouldn't say he is extremely scummy since I cant find much on him other than some forced reactions early on.
As for who I think is scummiest right now I'm not sure. GR seems like an obvious nk target being confirmed town so nothing really coming from there. I'll probably do a reread on AI, Iso, and Digi.
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Kj really has not done anything lately. He has averaged like a post a week over the last month. I'm surprised he hasn't been replaced. He fence sat on TEIN and I can't really find any interaction between him and vish. I wouldn't say he is extremely scummy since I cant find much on him other than some forced reactions early on.
As for who I think is scummiest right now I'm not sure. GR seems like an obvious nk target being confirmed town so nothing really coming from there. I'll probably do a reread on AI, Iso, and Digi.
I agree that KJ doesnt seem extremely scummy but I would like to hear more from him. It is Day 4 and no one has a read as to town or scum because he hasnt posted nearly enough to build or disprove a case on him.
I would greatly appreciate votes being explained; I'm catching up but some current context is going to allow me to get in this game that much more quickly.
I would greatly appreciate votes being explained; I'm catching up but some current context is going to allow me to get in this game that much more quickly.
I've had a case on Digi for a while now, but now I have other reasons to believe he his scum. I am not ready to reveal just yet what the other source is.
Rereading digi I see his basic play. I don't want to get into the whole meta argument again but I'm not sure he is the best choice. He seems to have just tunneled into Iso which in indicative of his regular town and apparently his scum play too. His behavior has not been extremely advantageous for scum though. He was not on vish's wagon but neither was he on IB's or TEIN's. When I read through other people's posts perhaps I will get a better picture.
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I agree that KJ doesnt seem extremely scummy but I would like to hear more from him. It is Day 4 and no one has a read as to town or scum because he hasnt posted nearly enough to build or disprove a case on him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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Why to do you want both town and scum listed? Other than the obvious anwser of "To see his reads"
No other reason other then to see where his reads are. I really want to get some information and ideas on KJ as I havent had anything yet to work with.
I read this thread multiple times a day, so?
I'm not on my computer so it's hard to answer to everything, but you seem to be pushing for weird things where there isn't anything. I remembered killjoy cause he posted in the last page/or he got prodded and I saw his name there. Is it so hard to believe I missed one player? There's nothing odd about the players who I thought to be scum. Most players don't even register in my mind due to not having posted a lot. I didn't even remember you until today. I can think of AI/Iso/GR/Reya/Allwin/You. Iso and AI seem very town to me, but then again it can be my noobieness. I forgot what L-x meant but I got it before reading the end of your post. Sorry new player :/
I'm also not buying that on day 3 he does not know what a claim is.
@ Iso. Wagon went way too fast? HAVE YOU EVEN READ ONE OF HIS POSTS? LOOK AT HIS BEHAVIOR.
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Yeah, Cyouni's convinced me at this point. TEIN just isn't playing the game.
I await his claim and then I'll move my vote over.
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Heres to me not having to wait for it to finish.
Here's my claim:
First game
Am Town.
Unvote Allwin
Vote TheEnd
Unvote me
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Waiting for TEIN to fully claim.
Watched/Tracked Allwin night two. Nothing revealed.
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Your role has multiple components to its ability?
or I can Watch (see who targets the person)
Or I can forgo using the ability one night to track and watch a player on the following night.
I didn't think of it. I kinda was slow in using my ability so couldn't think things through.
Would you please elaborate on the bolded.
If you were me and I were you, how would you respond to me saying that, as the tracker/watcher, I didn't track or watch the player who counter-claimed dead scum as the cop?
Theres a limit of 72 hours no? I realized I was close to it, PMed eco and went "hmmm, who do I pick?" I remembered the allwin controversy from day one and went with him.
@AI: "Damn noob :/"?
Ridiculous.
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Given that, I feel that a vote for you is justified.
Any last words?
TheEndIsNear - 7
Tordeck, Allwinapprentice, Gaea's Regent, Cyouni, Reya Cookiebringer, Iso, TheEndIsNear
Digi - 1
AsianInvasion
Iso - 1
Digi
Not Voting - 3
Kill Joy, Rianalnn, Void
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Buoyed by yesterday's success, the accusations fly thick and fast. TheEndIsNear participates little: he sits, shrouded by shadow, watching and absorbing. This behaviour is picked upon. How can such subterfuge contribute? Who does he think he is, trying to fade away from view?
Without time to protest, TheEndIsNear is torn from his seat and set into the noose, and is asked for his last words.
"I have failed you, Inspector!" he cries and leaps off the stool, coming to a jerking halt in mid air.
TheEndIsNear: Cato Fong, Town Tracker/Watcher has been lynhced.
It is now Night 3, please do not post. Night will try and actually last 72 hours this time.
Sadly, the empty place at the table indicates that one among you will never get to share in this delicacy. You rush to Gaea's Regent's room, knowing in the pit of your stomach what is to come.
You are right.
Gaea's Regent: Samwise Gamgee, Town SuperDoc lies peacefully in his bed, the sheets stained a dark crimson from the gash in his throat: dead as hobbit can be.
You all look around: there are fewer and fewer of you now, and the cost of resolution settles heavily upon you.
On the bright side, at least we have plenty of gruel stock!
Day 4 has begun. With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch!
Vote Digi
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Allwin, given that you've said almost nothing about kill-joy this entire game to my recollection, please explain your vote.
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As for who I think is scummiest right now I'm not sure. GR seems like an obvious nk target being confirmed town so nothing really coming from there. I'll probably do a reread on AI, Iso, and Digi.
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I agree that KJ doesnt seem extremely scummy but I would like to hear more from him. It is Day 4 and no one has a read as to town or scum because he hasnt posted nearly enough to build or disprove a case on him.
I would greatly appreciate votes being explained; I'm catching up but some current context is going to allow me to get in this game that much more quickly.
I've had a case on Digi for a while now, but now I have other reasons to believe he his scum. I am not ready to reveal just yet what the other source is.
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Learned from the best.
What would you like to know?
Considering I had forgot that you were in this game, a lot.
How about your top supects with reasons for beginning?
Is this rhetorical? If so, feel free to answer it.
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Considering we have barely heard anything from you this whole game, would you please start with your town/scum suspect list?
Why to do you want both town and scum listed? Other than the obvious anwser of "To see his reads"
No other reason other then to see where his reads are. I really want to get some information and ideas on KJ as I havent had anything yet to work with.
I wasn't invited to the party, if that's what you're asking. And other things have also left me completely confused.
Though I think I want to have Void claim more than ever now.