Angel is extremely strong. Every time I've cast it it's done pretty ridiculous stuff only by itself. Bounces your opponent's creatures to make way, lets you restock on your creatures from your graveyard, sometimes both at the same time. You want to sphere it? Go for it! I know the cards are incomparable because of their CC, but if Baneslayer rose quite high I can't see why this wouldn't. Serenity Angel appeals to casual players, too.
What will eventually keep its price down (along with many other singles in the set) is the sheer tonnage of this set that is going to be opened by dealers and players.
What will eventually keep its price down (along with many other singles in the set) is the sheer tonnage of this set that is going to be opened by dealers and players.
Surely core sets are opened more than expansions? I know we don't have figures... But do you beleive RTR will be more opened than m10?
Surely core sets are opened more than expansions? I know we don't have figures... But do you beleive RTR will be more opened than m10?
yes, infinitely yes.
rtr is probably the most anticipated set in forever.
And expansions are often opened more than core sets. At least 1st set expansions are, not so much the 2nd and 3rd sets due to how limited works. M10 had distribution problems because wizards didn't expect a core set to be so popular so they simply didn't print enough for initial demand.
Surely core sets are opened more than expansions? I know we don't have figures... But do you beleive RTR will be more opened than m10?
Than M10? There was a supply crunch for M10 that never was resolved. M10 is probably the least available set since Future Sight. Regardless, expansions always outsell core sets for many reasons, not the least of which is drafting.
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Selling out won't matter much. Look at Innistrad... those prices were/have-been stable (when supply caught up) and comparatively it sold-out around 2-3 weeks after RtR Ravnica did. Also supposidly Zendikar was similar but, personally, dunno as I was taking a break at the time.
Point being, we've yet to see a point where supply (multiple waves) kept prices down since what... Fallen Empires/Homeland/Ice Age? (maybe Time Spiral/Kamigawa - not sure, I was MIA there).
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
We're starting to see the effects of the second/third print runs hitting now, imo. Rares are starting to come back down to earth across the board.
Aye, which is a good thing. But, unlike the other Rares, Shocklands tend to have a slightly more inelastic nature then most other rare cards. How many sees play across both standard and modern ? I am going on a limb saying that most of the other non-shockland rares/mythics will be the ones who sees a much more drastic drop in terms of price compared to our shock buddies, in bringing down the Expected Value of an RTR box.
And I just like to share a litte anecdote. There is a obscene fascination with gambling here. That even spills down to buying/gambling on individual RTR packs. (Yes, I personally know it is NOT worth it, but I watched as people opened box after box, gambling on who wins a rare, by comparing either retail price or CMC against another fellow buyer. :o)
On such an occasion, they frequently sell any unwanted rares back to the shops for cash(credit is rarely used here), trying to buy more packs, thus fueling a cycle. I have seen a lot more Jaces, AoS, Armada Wurms being to sold back to the shops than shocklands, which speaks volumes of the perceived values/influences of shocks.
Unless they reprint the shocklands like they do the M10 Buddy Lands(3 reprints in a row. Prepare for a 4th! :D), they will eventually go up. That seems to be the nature of all playable lands. It is not unreasonable to assume that most players will want to keep one playset for themselves, at the very least. Afterall, you can never have too many shocks.
If the store owner says that I can't trade in the premises, I'll just go outside. If he says that I can't trade within 10m of his premises, I'll go to 11 meters. If he says that he doesn't want to see me trading, I will put a basket over his head and continue trading.
Yes, he's a local legend. He's only known to take his clothes off before he goes into the Ladies' Lockerroom. Nobody knows what he does in there because he's invisible, but it's almost certainly tons of masturbating.
It's simple no one whant's to miss this train. A staple like those shocklands across all formats. Now it's time for everyone who doesen't own them, to get the playset for the future.
The math's are simple, if almost everybody whant's a playset the price can't drop below 8$...
Yeah. He cost of Magic cards has been increasing so much since Future Sight, that anyone who wants to play a constructed format has to keenly watch card prices, look for value, and try to anticipate the meta. Otherwise a dollar card goes to five, a five goes to twelve, and a twelve goes to thirty.
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So what are people's thoughts on niv-mizzet? I have opened a bunch of them and am wondering if now is the time to unload or not. I thought it would be well positioned now that the titans are gone but have not seen much movement on it.
Also are we seeing any movement in prices after states?
So what are people's thoughts on niv-mizzet? I have opened a bunch of them and am wondering if now is the time to unload or not. I thought it would be well positioned now that the titans are gone but have not seen much movement on it.
Also are we seeing any movement in prices after states?
He's going down in the short-term. Maybe after R/G and U/G shocks come out along with other R/U support. Niv-Mizzet is definitely on my radar as I plan to snag a few once he dips to around ~$3 (worked well with Consecrated Sphinx :p).
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
So what are people's thoughts on niv-mizzet? I have opened a bunch of them and am wondering if now is the time to unload or not. I thought it would be well positioned now that the titans are gone but have not seen much movement on it.
Also are we seeing any movement in prices after states?
Niv is at $5-$6. I think it is at the bottom price wise. I think it will go up but it might take a while. Definitely worth holding on to.
The smaller Niv is $10-$12 and this card is much better.
I see Niv going to 3-4 probably not lower since he is a mythic and a dragon, but some deck will eventually use him and he will go back up to about $8. I doubt he will ever be a 4 of, and I don't see the deck he is best in (control grixis or counterburn) really dominating the format.
How the hell is Jace still a 40$ rare and Vraska is 15-20$? I dont see it. But it is good to see all the other rares go down and even some of the mythics are going down.
How the hell is Jace still a 40$ rare and Vraska is 15-20$? I dont see it. But it is good to see all the other rares go down and even some of the mythics are going down.
The only good thing about this post is the edible chocolate roaches they gave out! Mmm mmm!
*crawl crawl*
Wait a minute, edible roaches don't crawl! EDIBLE ROACHES DON'T CRAWL!
Niv will bottom out at $4, but in time will inch up to between $8-10, as he becomes more and more common in EDH circles. Add a couple dollars to this if he is an option in Standard after Gatecrash, as I suspect he will be a 2 of at most, probably.
Still mighty on the fence with AoS. I have one, and I am debating on unloading it when it reaches what I think is a high to get more stuff I want, keeping it for my EDH, or sliding it into my gf's Hot Chicks deck.
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Commander
Ezuri, Renegade Leader (Aggro/Combo - Favorite) Skullbriar, the Walking Grave (Sac and Grave hijinks) Azusa, Lost but Seeking (Landfall hijinks) Kaalia of the Vast (Heavily modded)
The card's most recent move is on right. means no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. This is the update's hottest mover. (#) is price in CND incl. shipping here.
Desecration Demon and Epic Experiment fell below $3 and therefore off the tally, leaving 25 cards worth opening in a booster pack.
I'll keep it brief as my grama is still in hospital (out of ICU now though thankfully) and my family is mostly out of town, leaving me with managing her home, visiting her daily, and taking care of a lot of practical details. Jace fell $7 this update to $40 and seems appropriate there. I've had 4 up at $40 each (shipped) for several days, with no takers, so demand appears soft. If it doesn't prove itself in Standard in a large way very soon, the 4 in the pricetag will probably turn into a 3. Angel of Serenity still holds 2nd spot around $20, surprising me, as a skeptic of this card's long term prospects. Vraska and Armada Wurm look uninteresting. I hear Armada Wurm is destined for "green white ramp decks". To be honest I don't see what's white about the card at all, other than for flavour reasons. Green gets undercosted fat all by itself. 8/8 trample uncounterable for 6 was never playable in monogreen and I don't think adding white suddenly makes it worthy of 4th place in any set, especially a set full of such amazing cards. Overgrown Tomb and the other shockduals are hot, holding their price tags as a few other cards settle a bit, putting these 5 rares solidly within the top 10. Trostani dropped a bit but remains a lofty $12, perhaps boosted by casual demand, which could wane at any time. Abrupt Decay has lost half it's price in just 2 weeks, from $20 down to $10 with no sign of leveling out yet. Drop it if you're still holding it, this is the most overhyped hot potato in a while! Detention Sphere pushed above NivMizz, all 3 Rakdos cards looked weak, while Supreme Verdict was one of my best sellers at $6. Chromatic Lantern is another great seller and I wonder if some people are undervaluing it by comparing it to Joiner Adept. They may have the same ability, but Joiner is much easier to remove, and doesn't itself tap for mana. Lantern is efficient fixing AND accel in one card, something that may come more and more in demand as the block progresses. Loxodon Smiter sells well but I'm surprised. Don't people notice it's just a less efficient Watchwolf? "Overload" cards Mortars and Rift sit at the bottom of the tally as some players seem certain they're insanely powerful and others don't want to touch them with a ten foot pole.
Commons and uncommons haven't begun to sell yet, so I don't have much data on them. Right now, most of the sales on my site are to regulars who buy every set, and speculators trying to buy up what they think is the next big rare or mythic. Players buying to fill up decks will start up soon and provide me with more data on uncommons etc.
What's the explanation for all of the price drops? They seem pretty across the board with a few exceptions. More supply? Less demand?
Which price drops? The only notable drops were things like Abrupt Decay, and I already gave my opinion on that. In the case of Jace I would say he was overpriced coming out of the gate, as all planeswalkers that aren't JTMS have been. If anything, the set is gaining or holding value right now - see the link to box values I provided.
What's the explanation for all of the price drops? They seem pretty across the board with a few exceptions. More supply? Less demand?
More supply. The set values are going to drop over time because the set is so profitable. As dealers open more and more product, the prices will drop and we'll reach box equilibrium where they aren't worth opening. Until then, supply will continue to flood the market.
Which price drops? The only notable drops were things like Abrupt Decay, and I already gave my opinion on that. In the case of Jace I would say he was overpriced coming out of the gate, as all planeswalkers that aren't JTMS have been. If anything, the set is gaining or holding value right now - see the link to box values I provided.
Were you expecting that no singles prices ever go down? That they would only rise, every time I check and update prices? Presale prices tend to be higher than where they end up settling. Overall the set is either maintaining its $180+ box value, or increasing. But yes, some cards are down while others are up. I would never expect anything otherwise.
Ahh, I noticed your signature now. Sounds like you have a bit of an agenda to prove?
More supply. The set values are going to drop over time because the set is so profitable. As dealers open more and more product, the prices will drop and we'll reach box equilibrium where they aren't worth opening. Until then, supply will continue to flood the market.
I disagree - it's because of the "presale inflation." Prices would have dropped over a week ago but supply concerns kept them close to presale prices. Most have barely moved from "presale prices" which goes to prove there are supply concerns whether that be from high demand or shortages.
Excess supply won't affect prices for at least another month, imo.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
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What will eventually keep its price down (along with many other singles in the set) is the sheer tonnage of this set that is going to be opened by dealers and players.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Surely core sets are opened more than expansions? I know we don't have figures... But do you beleive RTR will be more opened than m10?
yes, infinitely yes.
rtr is probably the most anticipated set in forever.
And expansions are often opened more than core sets. At least 1st set expansions are, not so much the 2nd and 3rd sets due to how limited works. M10 had distribution problems because wizards didn't expect a core set to be so popular so they simply didn't print enough for initial demand.
Than M10? There was a supply crunch for M10 that never was resolved. M10 is probably the least available set since Future Sight. Regardless, expansions always outsell core sets for many reasons, not the least of which is drafting.
Point being, we've yet to see a point where supply (multiple waves) kept prices down since what... Fallen Empires/Homeland/Ice Age? (maybe Time Spiral/Kamigawa - not sure, I was MIA there).
We're starting to see the effects of the second/third print runs hitting now, imo. Rares are starting to come back down to earth across the board.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
Aye, which is a good thing. But, unlike the other Rares, Shocklands tend to have a slightly more inelastic nature then most other rare cards. How many sees play across both standard and modern ? I am going on a limb saying that most of the other non-shockland rares/mythics will be the ones who sees a much more drastic drop in terms of price compared to our shock buddies, in bringing down the Expected Value of an RTR box.
And I just like to share a litte anecdote. There is a obscene fascination with gambling here. That even spills down to buying/gambling on individual RTR packs. (Yes, I personally know it is NOT worth it, but I watched as people opened box after box, gambling on who wins a rare, by comparing either retail price or CMC against another fellow buyer. :o)
On such an occasion, they frequently sell any unwanted rares back to the shops for cash(credit is rarely used here), trying to buy more packs, thus fueling a cycle. I have seen a lot more Jaces, AoS, Armada Wurms being to sold back to the shops than shocklands, which speaks volumes of the perceived values/influences of shocks.
Unless they reprint the shocklands like they do the M10 Buddy Lands(3 reprints in a row. Prepare for a 4th! :D), they will eventually go up. That seems to be the nature of all playable lands. It is not unreasonable to assume that most players will want to keep one playset for themselves, at the very least. Afterall, you can never have too many shocks.
The math's are simple, if almost everybody whant's a playset the price can't drop below 8$...
Also are we seeing any movement in prices after states?
He's going down in the short-term. Maybe after R/G and U/G shocks come out along with other R/U support. Niv-Mizzet is definitely on my radar as I plan to snag a few once he dips to around ~$3 (worked well with Consecrated Sphinx :p).
Niv is at $5-$6. I think it is at the bottom price wise. I think it will go up but it might take a while. Definitely worth holding on to.
The smaller Niv is $10-$12 and this card is much better.
Because Jace is good and Vraska is a Desert Twister?
*crawl crawl*
Wait a minute, edible roaches don't crawl! EDIBLE ROACHES DON'T CRAWL!
Still mighty on the fence with AoS. I have one, and I am debating on unloading it when it reaches what I think is a high to get more stuff I want, keeping it for my EDH, or sliding it into my gf's Hot Chicks deck.
Commander
Ezuri, Renegade Leader (Aggro/Combo - Favorite)
Skullbriar, the Walking Grave (Sac and Grave hijinks)
Azusa, Lost but Seeking (Landfall hijinks)
Kaalia of the Vast (Heavily modded)
Standard
Waiting for Innistrad...
Extended
Hah!
Modern
Living End Cascade (RGB)
Legacy
Burn
Vintage
None
Casual
WB Aggro-Control
Green Stompy
Pink Floyd (UWr Wall Control)
Lunch Box (Fatty ramp)
D-Bag (White Control)
Level 13 Task Mage
A much needed update during a volatile period for some singles prices. Surprising price action and a set absolutely on fire:
1) Jace Architect of Thought (40) /
2) Angel of Serenity (21) /
3) Vraska the Unseen (19) /
4) Armada Wurm (14) /
5) Overgrown Tomb (14) /
6) Hallowed Fountain (13) /
7) Blood Crypt (12) /
8) Steam Vents (12) /
9) Temple Garden (12) /
10) Trostani Selesnya's Voice (12) /
11) Abrupt Decay (10) /
12) Lotleth Troll (8) /
13) Detention Sphere (7) /
14) Niv-Mizzet Dracogenius (7) /
15) Rakdos's Return (6.5) /
16) Dreadbore (6) /
17) Rakdos Lord of Riots (6) /
18) Supreme Verdict (6) /
19) Deathrite Shaman (5) /
20) Sphinx's Revelation (5) /
21) Chromatic Lantern (4.5) /
22) Loxodon Smiter (4) /
23) Jarad Golgari Lich Lord (3.5) /
24) Mizzium Mortars (3.5) /
25) Cyclonic Rift (3) /
The card's most recent move is on right. means no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. This is the update's hottest mover. (#) is price in CND incl. shipping here.
Desecration Demon and Epic Experiment fell below $3 and therefore off the tally, leaving 25 cards worth opening in a booster pack.
RTR kicking box value ass
I'll keep it brief as my grama is still in hospital (out of ICU now though thankfully) and my family is mostly out of town, leaving me with managing her home, visiting her daily, and taking care of a lot of practical details. Jace fell $7 this update to $40 and seems appropriate there. I've had 4 up at $40 each (shipped) for several days, with no takers, so demand appears soft. If it doesn't prove itself in Standard in a large way very soon, the 4 in the pricetag will probably turn into a 3. Angel of Serenity still holds 2nd spot around $20, surprising me, as a skeptic of this card's long term prospects. Vraska and Armada Wurm look uninteresting. I hear Armada Wurm is destined for "green white ramp decks". To be honest I don't see what's white about the card at all, other than for flavour reasons. Green gets undercosted fat all by itself. 8/8 trample uncounterable for 6 was never playable in monogreen and I don't think adding white suddenly makes it worthy of 4th place in any set, especially a set full of such amazing cards. Overgrown Tomb and the other shockduals are hot, holding their price tags as a few other cards settle a bit, putting these 5 rares solidly within the top 10. Trostani dropped a bit but remains a lofty $12, perhaps boosted by casual demand, which could wane at any time. Abrupt Decay has lost half it's price in just 2 weeks, from $20 down to $10 with no sign of leveling out yet. Drop it if you're still holding it, this is the most overhyped hot potato in a while! Detention Sphere pushed above NivMizz, all 3 Rakdos cards looked weak, while Supreme Verdict was one of my best sellers at $6. Chromatic Lantern is another great seller and I wonder if some people are undervaluing it by comparing it to Joiner Adept. They may have the same ability, but Joiner is much easier to remove, and doesn't itself tap for mana. Lantern is efficient fixing AND accel in one card, something that may come more and more in demand as the block progresses. Loxodon Smiter sells well but I'm surprised. Don't people notice it's just a less efficient Watchwolf? "Overload" cards Mortars and Rift sit at the bottom of the tally as some players seem certain they're insanely powerful and others don't want to touch them with a ten foot pole.
Commons and uncommons haven't begun to sell yet, so I don't have much data on them. Right now, most of the sales on my site are to regulars who buy every set, and speculators trying to buy up what they think is the next big rare or mythic. Players buying to fill up decks will start up soon and provide me with more data on uncommons etc.
Next update in a few days! Take care.
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What's the explanation for all of the price drops? They seem pretty across the board with a few exceptions. More supply? Less demand?
Which price drops? The only notable drops were things like Abrupt Decay, and I already gave my opinion on that. In the case of Jace I would say he was overpriced coming out of the gate, as all planeswalkers that aren't JTMS have been. If anything, the set is gaining or holding value right now - see the link to box values I provided.
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More supply. The set values are going to drop over time because the set is so profitable. As dealers open more and more product, the prices will drop and we'll reach box equilibrium where they aren't worth opening. Until then, supply will continue to flood the market.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
You also have all of these losing:
1) Jace Architect of Thought (40) /
3) Vraska the Unseen (19) /
4) Armada Wurm (14) /
6) Hallowed Fountain (13) /
8) Steam Vents (12) /
9) Temple Garden (12) /
11) Abrupt Decay (10) /
12) Lotleth Troll (8) /
14) Niv-Mizzet Dracogenius (7) /
15) Rakdos's Return (6.5) /
16) Dreadbore (6) /
17) Rakdos Lord of Riots (6) /
18) Supreme Verdict (6) /
19) Deathrite Shaman (5) /
21) Chromatic Lantern (4.5) /
25) Cyclonic Rift (3) /
What happened here? That's 16/25 that lost value.
Ahh, I noticed your signature now. Sounds like you have a bit of an agenda to prove?
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I disagree - it's because of the "presale inflation." Prices would have dropped over a week ago but supply concerns kept them close to presale prices. Most have barely moved from "presale prices" which goes to prove there are supply concerns whether that be from high demand or shortages.
Excess supply won't affect prices for at least another month, imo.