Tokens are printed on their own sheet. They have nothing to do with the commons. Also, even though they all have the black expansion symbol, they do have different rarities. The entire sheet is 121 cards. Tokens made only by Mythics are on the sheet once. Tokens made by Rares are on twice. Tokens made by several of cards might be on the sheet 10 times. Further complicating the issue, the ads on the back aren't always the same, or always different. So a Knight token might be on the sheet 10 times, but have 6 different possible backs, some combinations more common than others.
awesome, thank you. I love working these things out, but I'm relying on the interwebs for the data this time. generally it takes 3 boxes to get the three easy runs done, plus a few specific packs to finish up the most difficult run.
If anyone else reading this is opening packs in the next two weeks, please post the commons in order, or take a picture for me (and all the drafters out there that use this information) thanks much =)
So Dragon, Wurm, and Assassin are this set's single tokens then?
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So Dragon, Wurm, and Assassin are this set's single tokens then?
Dragon and Assassin should both be 1/121, Wurm is probably more common, since two cards make it (and one makes 3 at a time). The problem is they seem to take past use into account. So, even though only a single rare makes Soldier tokens in RtR, it might be more common than the Elemental, which is also only made by a single rare. Without several cases worth of data, it's tough to say exactly how rare each is. It would be really easy if each had a unique front/back combo, simply put together the full 121 card set. But no, some combinations are double or triple printed.
I am busting 2 cases and will have it sorted out completely so I will be able to comment on any ridiculously noticeable inconsistencies on commons I get.
Those posting inconsistencies in 10 or less packs are being pretty silly you won't be able to find a potential slightly rarer common that way.
Not a common, but doing 2 prereleases and opening one booster box, I haven't found any call of the conclave. On the other hand I got 2 abrupt decay and 4 collective blessing
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Since the less common card is due to the way the printing sheets work, does this occur only in paper Magic? Is Magic Online also programmed to have the less common?
My bet goes to Centaur Healer. Took me more than 2 boxes to get a playset and my friend who also opened 3 boxes didn't have too many of them either (around 5 or so). For a common, that's really few.
I got 3 in my sealed deck pool last time i played limited. Maybe i got lucky... I wonder how many boxes it would take to make a probabilistic sample?
out of about 6000 packs I was short on Destroy the Evidence by about 60-80 compared to all the other commons. Doesn't seem uncommon rarity but still shorter. I know Avacyn Restored was Scroll of Grislebrand. I don't remember M13, M12 was Manalith and Frost Breath by about 100-150 cards shorter.
out of about 6000 packs I was short on Destroy the Evidence by about 60-80 compared to all the other commons. Doesn't seem uncommon rarity but still shorter. I know Avacyn Restored was Scroll of Grislebrand. I don't remember M13, M12 was Manalith and Frost Breath by about 100-150 cards shorter.
Thanks for posting some valuable data instead of the people trying to find inconsistencies in under 100 packs.
I figured it would likely be a horrible common in limited and a ridiculously bad card in constructed as the common they would chose for this.
out of about 6000 packs I was short on Destroy the Evidence by about 60-80 compared to all the other commons. Doesn't seem uncommon rarity but still shorter. I know Avacyn Restored was Scroll of Grislebrand. I don't remember M13, M12 was Manalith and Frost Breath by about 100-150 cards shorter.
Were any colorless commons shorter than the rest by a noticeable amount? It seems weird that the card this time would be black.
As for uncommon rarity, remember that there's an additional 20 uncommons in RTR. In 6000 packs you should have averaged ~217 of each uncommon and ~594 of each common. Which cards did you have that were way off from that? Since the least common card is only 83% as common there could still be some variance (around 500 of it rather than 600, which would match your results).
Were any colorless commons shorter than the rest by a noticeable amount? It seems weird that the card this time would be black.
As for uncommon rarity, remember that there's an additional 20 uncommons in RTR. In 6000 packs you should have averaged ~217 of each uncommon and ~594 of each common. Which cards did you have that were way off from that? Since the least common card is only 83% as common there could still be some variance (around 500 of it rather than 600, which would match your results).
Why is that weird? The card in question is beyond bad obviously.
It's not like Black drafters will be crying when they see less of that card in a pack.
I got 3 in my sealed deck pool last time i played limited. Maybe i got lucky... I wonder how many boxes it would take to make a probabilistic sample?
Maybe they just screwed up the packing process? The distribution to different areas seems wildly different, or maybe this was just bound to happen, at least once, due to the statistics of a random product.
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I have independent confirmation through print run analysis. Destroy the Evidence is in both C print runs, and is only there once for each. I've only solved A and C1, with most of C2 so far.
Validation! I've been saying this for years, but there was always some doubt from people who couldn't follow my processes.
As someone who does the print runs (although, I'm stuck using MODO packs this time around), it's actually very easy to figure the short print out. It's always colorless, and not part of a cycle. Most sets only have one option. Also, the ratio is 5:6. not exactly "almost as rare as an uncommon".
So, Mark Rosewater have already stated that every large set nowadays have a common card that is actually less common than a common card, almost the rarity of an uncommon card. He also said that we can easily figure out which one is the less common card if we open lots of packs and compare the commons.
If anyone has a link to MaRo (or other people at Wizards) writing about this, please post the link.
If anyone has a link to MaRo (or other people at Wizards) writing about this, please post the link.
Its somewhere in his tumblr, which has gotten pretty massive. I have seen it, but there is just too much to dredge through to find a single answer anymore.
Ok i have bought an arseload of RTR and seen one slitherhead and two blitzcoil wierds and two selesnya charms and have bought a ton of this product. So it just goes to show that there are mythic commons and mythic uncommons. Just like there are rare rares and common rares. I have pulled out a 4 archon of the triumvirates and three search the cities.
So Dragon, Wurm, and Assassin are this set's single tokens then?
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Dragon and Assassin should both be 1/121, Wurm is probably more common, since two cards make it (and one makes 3 at a time). The problem is they seem to take past use into account. So, even though only a single rare makes Soldier tokens in RtR, it might be more common than the Elemental, which is also only made by a single rare. Without several cases worth of data, it's tough to say exactly how rare each is. It would be really easy if each had a unique front/back combo, simply put together the full 121 card set. But no, some combinations are double or triple printed.
in my prerelease, out of 6 packs i opened 3 centaur healers
Those posting inconsistencies in 10 or less packs are being pretty silly you won't be able to find a potential slightly rarer common that way.
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I got 3 in my sealed deck pool last time i played limited. Maybe i got lucky... I wonder how many boxes it would take to make a probabilistic sample?
Really? I have more than enough.Hows your Hussar Patrol's? Out of 3 boxes i only got 4.
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Thanks for posting some valuable data instead of the people trying to find inconsistencies in under 100 packs.
I figured it would likely be a horrible common in limited and a ridiculously bad card in constructed as the common they would chose for this.
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Were any colorless commons shorter than the rest by a noticeable amount? It seems weird that the card this time would be black.
As for uncommon rarity, remember that there's an additional 20 uncommons in RTR. In 6000 packs you should have averaged ~217 of each uncommon and ~594 of each common. Which cards did you have that were way off from that? Since the least common card is only 83% as common there could still be some variance (around 500 of it rather than 600, which would match your results).
Why is that weird? The card in question is beyond bad obviously.
It's not like Black drafters will be crying when they see less of that card in a pack.
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Maybe they just screwed up the packing process? The distribution to different areas seems wildly different, or maybe this was just bound to happen, at least once, due to the statistics of a random product.
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If anyone has a link to MaRo (or other people at Wizards) writing about this, please post the link.
Its somewhere in his tumblr, which has gotten pretty massive. I have seen it, but there is just too much to dredge through to find a single answer anymore.