Really? I'm town and I still care what people think of me.
It just seems odd that they would question voxx about it when he's far from the only person to town read me.
In answer to your question, my questioning Voxx had nothing to do with my own thoughts of your alignment, I just wanted to know Voxx's reasoning for his read on you changing.
You are coming across rather worried for something so little.
I'm not worried - just trying to breed conversation.
Coming from a town standpoint, how does breeding conversation about yourself help what you are trying to accomplish? Especially when you apparently don't care what people think of you.
Really? I'm town and I still care what people think of me.
It just seems odd that they would question voxx about it when he's far from the only person to town read me.
In answer to your question, my questioning Voxx had nothing to do with my own thoughts of your alignment, I just wanted to know Voxx's reasoning for his read on you changing.
You are coming across rather worried for something so little.
I'm not worried - just trying to breed conversation.
Coming from a town standpoint, how does breeding conversation about yourself help what you are trying to accomplish? Especially when you apparently don't care what people think of you.
It doesn't have to be about myself. I just want to get my scum reads posting.
Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Or, y'know. I was stream of consciousness posting about current reads and thought process regarding the kill I had last night.
So where, in your posted thought processes about last night, did you cover the possibility of not shooting? Since, y'know, you've already said that you aren't a full vig, and so (I assume) can't shoot every night at will, I would have thought you'd have considered that.
Teh_JeY only really came into focus for me after Anak flipped town.
Exactly my point. If she only became a possible target after Anak flipped, what was she doing in the section of people you considered killing in your post 696?
Cyouni became a non-target after LoT flipped scum.
So why wasn't he covered in your post 696? You mentioned other people who you had strong enough reads on that you wouldn't think of shooting them.
Let me restate this, by itself. Post 696 cannot be the thought process that you followed when choosing who to shoot. It does not cover not shooting. It does not contain either Cyouni or Wessel, two people who were (in addition to Anak) shot last night. Since you didn't have inside knowledge of everyone who was shot, this cannot have been your actual thought process. What it is, is you presenting post-night analysis and trying to justify your vig choice with that.
There are two reasons why someone might lie and try to present post-night analysis to justify their vig choice. One is that they are a townie who didn't go through proper analysis, and screwed up, and now is trying to make it look like they actually had done their due diligence instead of AzWoLGing. The other is that they are scum, who were going to fire at somebody, and the kill decision was made through other factors, which they are now scrambling to cover.
I think it is the latter. I believe that you are scum with a bonus kill, and when Seppel and I began calling for a townie vig to claim, you got spooked and claimed before you had thought all the way through the townie thought process that would lead to Anak dying. That's why your posted thoughts on why you killed him, and your reads on others, are disjointed.
There's a distinction there, and I'm not sure if you're either semi-OMGUS'ing me for pointing out the link between you/KillJoy, or if you're just being dumb.
On a related note, does the person who blocked me last night want to claim? I'm willing to listen to you too, although there is a distinct possibility I will want to lynch you afterwards.
Why make this public? I know you explained that you didn't expect anybody to step forward, but I don't see the logic for offering this information so immediately. Seems like a useful thing to keep close to your chest as a trap possibility, and also keeps you from giving away information about your night.
If I die, I don't want information to be lost. The fact that there is a blocker out there, and that he blocked me on N1, are both information that only I know at this point.
The only real downside I see is that right now, I have revealed to everyone that I am not vanilla - that I had an action that I attempted last night that was blocked. I think revealing that information is worth it to get the other pieces of information out there.
Three kills last night. One mafia, one SK, one vig/Tough Guy. Voxx claimed the third one, and regardless of his affiliation I feel like he's being truthful about him not being a full vig. He's one-shot or something. That also precludes him being the full SK. Why are you assuming there's another vig out there?
Theory discussion doesn't really help move the game forwards at any rate.
@Rhand
What are your thoughts on Ganderin_Dan and InfectiousBaloth, and the interactions near the end of the day/their votes for LoT? Also, thoughts on Kill Joy and a vote being placed on your strongest scum read would be nice.
With LoT flipping scum I need to reread a good part of the game.
I'll get my answer to you tomorrow.
I haven't seen anything anti-town from IB or Gan_Dan.
They both had good reasoning to vote LoT. IB should've given his reasoning before voting instead of afterwards, but calling him 'obvscum' with the case that was there already is not really wrong (I disagreed with that case, but I was obviously proven wrong).
Gan_Dan had good reasons in the T/S he posted a few posts before he voted.
I'm not voting KillJoy because I don't want a speedlynch.
There's not much to say about him apart from the obvious: He hasn't done anything pro-town in the few posts he made, never adds new content and doesn't give decent reasonings for his votes (the Void vote in 519 was awful).
I'll claim responsibility for Anaklusmos' body last night.
I am not a/the full/unlimited vig, though. Don't wish to claim anything beyond that.
I'd like to hear from AlphaInsidous on Vox's claim.
It would seem to place Vox in a position of likely town or SK. I don't see mafia claiming their kill regardless of the situation; compounded by the fact that Vox went from denying his hand in the kill to making it public knowledge in 6 posts flat, simply because a few voices asked the party to claim.
Doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective to me.
@Swishh: You will resolve yourself one way or the other given enough time. I'm just not seeing the same towntells from you that I've seen from TeH JeY.
But you asked to see who was still in the game, and I delivered.
Three kills last night. One mafia, one SK, one vig/Tough Guy. Voxx claimed the third one, and regardless of his affiliation I feel like he's being truthful about him not being a full vig. He's one-shot or something. That also precludes him being the full SK. Why are you assuming there's another vig out there?
Everyone has posted today after your initial request for vig to out other than Kill Joy, I believe.
I'll respond to any outstanding questions later, haven't fully caught up.
But I'll just say that I don't expect a town vig to claim responsibility for Wessel or Cyouni - because I can't wrap my head around a reason town would kill either of them.
I'd have considered Cyouni as a target if LoT had flipped town, but he was off the radar after the scum flip and his case driving the lynch.
I don't think it's in our best interest for me to full claim at the moment. Maybe I'm a 1-shot vig, maybe I'm something more complex - revealing which it is just helps the mafia more than us currently. But I'm not a full vig. It's /possible/ for there to be another town shot floating around, but between Seppel's daykill and my role and what seems to be a SK, I think it's too much killing power when we have two mafia goons flipped.
The only person who was ever hard fos'ed Anak was Tom, and apparently he's a double voter. I wouldn't be shocked if infectiousbaloth is our reluctant-to-admit vig.
Casting suspicions onto Voxx seems a little suspect to me, and I'm willing to reserve judgement on that.
I still have a strong scum read on k-j, but I'd like him to actually check in and respond to anyone before he does anything.
Beyond that, I'm terrible at reading noobs, so Swishh is either really bad town or really bad scum. I'm leaning towards him being scum, but that doesn't really mean much since, again, his play is soo poor, it's hard to imagine him actually being scum.
Something about Tom reads as off to me, but to be fair, I read him as scum all the time, so maybe I just don't like his playstyle.
The only person who was ever hard fos'ed Anak was Tom, and apparently he's a double voter. I wouldn't be shocked if infectiousbaloth is our reluctant-to-admit vig.
The bolded sounds like swishh KNOWS that Voxx is not the Vig.
The only person who was ever hard fos'ed Anak was Tom, and apparently he's a double voter. I wouldn't be shocked if infectiousbaloth is our reluctant-to-admit vig.
The bolded sounds like swishh KNOWS that Voxx is not the Vig.
Based on Voxx's last post, I'm not considering him as potential day vig. Plus I think his judgment is better than to shoot any of the towns who died.
After a quick start to the days festivities, tears fall to Seppel's eyes as the innocent figures were taken to a private room to rest, until an end will come to this madness. Realizing the evil ones were taunting him, in plain view, his rage began to build. Maybe it was the way killjoy was staring at him, or perhaps it was because of how righteous he looked. Either way, Seppel took out his trusty pistol, and just like with Captain Tyzmo, put a bullet right through killjoy's heart. As the blood ran out, the rest of you began to recognize killjoy as none other than Martin Luther King Junior, Town Vanilla. As shocked as the rest of you are, Seppel slowly retreats to his chair, and drops the pistol to the ground with his head in his hands. No one knows for sure if he is geniunly upset, angry, hystircal or what not. But no one dares to find out as the rest of you run back to the table. After a few minutes, Seppel joins you as well and the discussion goes back to figuring out the evil ones still remaining.
Martin Luther King Jr (Town Vanilla) Kill-joy, You are Martin Luther King Jr (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
During the 20th century, you were one of the strongest advocates of the Civil Rights movement. You believed that the best way to fight the inhumanity showed to black people in the United States was peaceful, non-violent protest. Your efforts were successful and even after the violence against your family, up onto your own assassination, you were a beacon to your people, and have gone down in history as great man.
Abilities: During the day, you may vote for any player.
Martin Luther King Jr (Town Vanilla) Kill-joy, You are Martin Luther King Jr (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
During the 20th century, you were one of the strongest advocates of the Civil Rights movement. You believed that the best way to fight the inhumanity showed to black people in the United States was peaceful, non-violent protest. Your efforts were successful and even after the violence against your family, up onto your own assassination, you were a beacon to your people, and have gone down in history as great man.
Abilities: During the day, you may vote for any player.
VOTE COUNTS have been reset, and your deadline moved back to March 21st. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Three kills last night. One mafia, one SK, one vig/Tough Guy. Voxx claimed the third one, and regardless of his affiliation I feel like he's being truthful about him not being a full vig. He's one-shot or something. That also precludes him being the full SK. Why are you assuming there's another vig out there?
Anyone who was scum reading me for not wanting to lynch KJ can kindly apologize.
Yeah, so that's not how it works. Do you think all scum always push town wagons?
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Based on Voxx's last post, I'm not considering him as potential day vig. Plus I think his judgment is better than to shoot any of the towns who died.
Uhh. I've already claimed to have shot Anaklusmos. Scum/Neutral are presumably responsible for the other two, given no one has spoken up and Seppel apparently is our full vig.
But.
I need to re-read. Again.
I was pretty set on Kill Joy being scum. So there being 2-3 scum out of this list:
Rick Santorum
Rhand
Swishh
Tom
Void
InfectiousBaloth
Ganderin_Dan
RobRoy
Teh_JeY
AlphaInsidious
EtR
perplexes me as to where to start.
Every one of them has something about their play or interactions this game that made me consider them unlikely scum. But I'm out of other options, so it's time to dig deeper I guess.
Will post notes/results of re-read upon completion, either tonight or tomorrow.
Seppel: Dayvig shooting the correct people. Good observations as well.
Void: With LoT flipping scum and Anak flipping town, I think Void is solidly town.
IB: Lennon gave me a newb town read and IB did nothing to change that. If anything, he's playing better than what I'm used of him (better reasonings).
EtR: Game has improved a lot since he's been at L-1. LoT was at the base of his wagon.
AI: He makes good observations and has good reasons on his votes. Also very early on LoT's wagon.
Tom: Doublevoter.
Teh Jey: Not very much content in her posts. Constantly on the fence.
She didn't vote scum LoT, but is on the town KillJoy wagon.
Gan_Dan: /barns a lot. Because of #547, I think he's town if Voxx flips scum.
Rick: He wasn't on the LoT wagon and wasn't in on the KillJoy lynch. He seems to try to keep himself out of the big discussions.
He's detached from the game and acts a bit like an ass from time to time.
RobRoy: If Swishh flips scum, we should look into RobRoy as possible buddy. Apart from that my read on him is null, leaning a bit scum (mainly for the Lennon push at the start and for how quickly he stopped pushing Captain T )
Voxx: I don't like how he's being mysterious about the Anak kill.
His post where he explains how he chose Anak (696) leaves out the possibility of no shot, but he does say that he's not an unlimited vig.
I also don't like the L-1 vote on LoT. Why not be on that wagon earlier? And the "he misspelled Franklyn" thing is a bad reason to vote, albeit not his only one.
He was the first to push the KillJoy mislynch on day 2.
Swishh: There's something weird with him: in #502 he votes for EtR and I can't find any post where he changes that. According to the votecount in #555 he is voting for LoT. In #557 he says that we should all vote LoT or Voxx. In #567 he repeats that he's indeed voting LoT. Can he vote in PM or something?
Apart from that, I don't like his play at all. Many useless posts, bad votes, lack of reasonings and attacks on players I think are town (Void) or are confirmed town (Cyouni)
I'll respond to any outstanding questions later, haven't fully caught up.
You said this, and then made another post where you said you were going to do a reread. You don't need to reread to respond to what I said in my post 754. Please do that sooner rather than later.
Swishh: There's something weird with him: in #502 he votes for EtR and I can't find any post where he changes that. According to the votecount in #555 he is voting for LoT. In #557 he says that we should all vote LoT or Voxx. In #567 he repeats that he's indeed voting LoT. Can he vote in PM or something?
Apart from that, I don't like his play at all. Many useless posts, bad votes, lack of reasonings and attacks on players I think are town (Void) or are confirmed town (Cyouni)
Vote: Swishh
Couple things.
I cannot vote by PM. I thought I changed to LoT, but I couldn't find the post where I did either. Maybe it was another vote count error.
Please point out my "bad votes, lack of reasonings [sic] and attacks on void and cyouni." If you could refer to posts I made after January 19 (date of my actuary exam before which I wasn't paying much attention to the game) I might have a little more stock in what you think.
Coming from a town standpoint, how does breeding conversation about yourself help what you are trying to accomplish? Especially when you apparently don't care what people think of you.
Seppel, are you really Hitler?
This is Voxx's town game, and he's started putting a gargantuan effort into this game. Fully willing to accept him as SK.
My Anak reasoning is in my T/S list.
Why does the Hitler question matter, after Seppel chooses (not) to answer?
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"Reactions" feels/reads like a copout.
Neither of them was obviously scummy.
How will it help us if we know who did it?
It doesn't have to be about myself. I just want to get my scum reads posting.
Also this.
That's a far cry from "confirmed not SK".
So where, in your posted thought processes about last night, did you cover the possibility of not shooting? Since, y'know, you've already said that you aren't a full vig, and so (I assume) can't shoot every night at will, I would have thought you'd have considered that.
Exactly my point. If she only became a possible target after Anak flipped, what was she doing in the section of people you considered killing in your post 696?
So why wasn't he covered in your post 696? You mentioned other people who you had strong enough reads on that you wouldn't think of shooting them.
Let me restate this, by itself. Post 696 cannot be the thought process that you followed when choosing who to shoot. It does not cover not shooting. It does not contain either Cyouni or Wessel, two people who were (in addition to Anak) shot last night. Since you didn't have inside knowledge of everyone who was shot, this cannot have been your actual thought process. What it is, is you presenting post-night analysis and trying to justify your vig choice with that.
There are two reasons why someone might lie and try to present post-night analysis to justify their vig choice. One is that they are a townie who didn't go through proper analysis, and screwed up, and now is trying to make it look like they actually had done their due diligence instead of AzWoLGing. The other is that they are scum, who were going to fire at somebody, and the kill decision was made through other factors, which they are now scrambling to cover.
I think it is the latter. I believe that you are scum with a bonus kill, and when Seppel and I began calling for a townie vig to claim, you got spooked and claimed before you had thought all the way through the townie thought process that would lead to Anak dying. That's why your posted thoughts on why you killed him, and your reads on others, are disjointed.
Ooh, ad hom. Nice flailing.
If I die, I don't want information to be lost. The fact that there is a blocker out there, and that he blocked me on N1, are both information that only I know at this point.
The only real downside I see is that right now, I have revealed to everyone that I am not vanilla - that I had an action that I attempted last night that was blocked. I think revealing that information is worth it to get the other pieces of information out there.
I would like him to talk first.
Three kills last night. One mafia, one SK, one vig/Tough Guy. Voxx claimed the third one, and regardless of his affiliation I feel like he's being truthful about him not being a full vig. He's one-shot or something. That also precludes him being the full SK. Why are you assuming there's another vig out there?
I haven't seen anything anti-town from IB or Gan_Dan.
They both had good reasoning to vote LoT. IB should've given his reasoning before voting instead of afterwards, but calling him 'obvscum' with the case that was there already is not really wrong (I disagreed with that case, but I was obviously proven wrong).
Gan_Dan had good reasons in the T/S he posted a few posts before he voted.
I'm not voting KillJoy because I don't want a speedlynch.
There's not much to say about him apart from the obvious: He hasn't done anything pro-town in the few posts he made, never adds new content and doesn't give decent reasonings for his votes (the Void vote in 519 was awful).
Can you explain this?
I'm more or less giving AlphaInsidious a hard time.
RR. You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm sure you recognize this tree, it has a sister planted in Checks & Balances.
But you asked to see who was still in the game, and I delivered.
Oh, will you answer this plsktnx?
I'll respond to any outstanding questions later, haven't fully caught up.
But I'll just say that I don't expect a town vig to claim responsibility for Wessel or Cyouni - because I can't wrap my head around a reason town would kill either of them.
I'd have considered Cyouni as a target if LoT had flipped town, but he was off the radar after the scum flip and his case driving the lynch.
I don't think it's in our best interest for me to full claim at the moment. Maybe I'm a 1-shot vig, maybe I'm something more complex - revealing which it is just helps the mafia more than us currently. But I'm not a full vig. It's /possible/ for there to be another town shot floating around, but between Seppel's daykill and my role and what seems to be a SK, I think it's too much killing power when we have two mafia goons flipped.
The bolded sounds like swishh KNOWS that Voxx is not the Vig.
...or has this day just begun?
Execute Killjoy.
Seppel never ceases to surprise me.
Based on Voxx's last post, I'm not considering him as potential day vig. Plus I think his judgment is better than to shoot any of the towns who died.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh things just got real.
How many scum should we expect in a 19 player game? 4 or 5?
After a quick start to the days festivities, tears fall to Seppel's eyes as the innocent figures were taken to a private room to rest, until an end will come to this madness. Realizing the evil ones were taunting him, in plain view, his rage began to build. Maybe it was the way killjoy was staring at him, or perhaps it was because of how righteous he looked. Either way, Seppel took out his trusty pistol, and just like with Captain Tyzmo, put a bullet right through killjoy's heart. As the blood ran out, the rest of you began to recognize killjoy as none other than Martin Luther King Junior, Town Vanilla. As shocked as the rest of you are, Seppel slowly retreats to his chair, and drops the pistol to the ground with his head in his hands. No one knows for sure if he is geniunly upset, angry, hystircal or what not. But no one dares to find out as the rest of you run back to the table. After a few minutes, Seppel joins you as well and the discussion goes back to figuring out the evil ones still remaining.
Kill-joy, You are Martin Luther King Jr (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
During the 20th century, you were one of the strongest advocates of the Civil Rights movement. You believed that the best way to fight the inhumanity showed to black people in the United States was peaceful, non-violent protest. Your efforts were successful and even after the violence against your family, up onto your own assassination, you were a beacon to your people, and have gone down in history as great man.
Abilities: During the day, you may vote for any player.
Martin Luther King Jr (Town Vanilla)
Kill-joy, You are Martin Luther King Jr (January 15, 1929 – April 4, 1968)
During the 20th century, you were one of the strongest advocates of the Civil Rights movement. You believed that the best way to fight the inhumanity showed to black people in the United States was peaceful, non-violent protest. Your efforts were successful and even after the violence against your family, up onto your own assassination, you were a beacon to your people, and have gone down in history as great man.
Abilities: During the day, you may vote for any player.
VOTE COUNTS have been reset, and your deadline moved back to March 21st. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote: EtR
Why is this the first we heard this apprehension from you -- after Seppel had posted the action? You were on the wagon, and defiant about it to RR.
Yeah, so that's not how it works. Do you think all scum always push town wagons?
Uhh. I've already claimed to have shot Anaklusmos. Scum/Neutral are presumably responsible for the other two, given no one has spoken up and Seppel apparently is our full vig.
But.
I need to re-read. Again.
I was pretty set on Kill Joy being scum. So there being 2-3 scum out of this list:
Rick Santorum
Rhand
Swishh
Tom
Void
InfectiousBaloth
Ganderin_Dan
RobRoy
Teh_JeY
AlphaInsidious
EtR
perplexes me as to where to start.
Every one of them has something about their play or interactions this game that made me consider them unlikely scum. But I'm out of other options, so it's time to dig deeper I guess.
Will post notes/results of re-read upon completion, either tonight or tomorrow.
Seppel: Dayvig shooting the correct people. Good observations as well.
Void: With LoT flipping scum and Anak flipping town, I think Void is solidly town.
IB: Lennon gave me a newb town read and IB did nothing to change that. If anything, he's playing better than what I'm used of him (better reasonings).
EtR: Game has improved a lot since he's been at L-1. LoT was at the base of his wagon.
AI: He makes good observations and has good reasons on his votes. Also very early on LoT's wagon.
Tom: Doublevoter.
Teh Jey: Not very much content in her posts. Constantly on the fence.
She didn't vote scum LoT, but is on the town KillJoy wagon.
Gan_Dan: /barns a lot. Because of #547, I think he's town if Voxx flips scum.
Rick: He wasn't on the LoT wagon and wasn't in on the KillJoy lynch. He seems to try to keep himself out of the big discussions.
He's detached from the game and acts a bit like an ass from time to time.
RobRoy: If Swishh flips scum, we should look into RobRoy as possible buddy. Apart from that my read on him is null, leaning a bit scum (mainly for the Lennon push at the start and for how quickly he stopped pushing Captain T )
Voxx: I don't like how he's being mysterious about the Anak kill.
His post where he explains how he chose Anak (696) leaves out the possibility of no shot, but he does say that he's not an unlimited vig.
I also don't like the L-1 vote on LoT. Why not be on that wagon earlier? And the "he misspelled Franklyn" thing is a bad reason to vote, albeit not his only one.
He was the first to push the KillJoy mislynch on day 2.
Swishh: There's something weird with him: in #502 he votes for EtR and I can't find any post where he changes that. According to the votecount in #555 he is voting for LoT. In #557 he says that we should all vote LoT or Voxx. In #567 he repeats that he's indeed voting LoT. Can he vote in PM or something?
Apart from that, I don't like his play at all. Many useless posts, bad votes, lack of reasonings and attacks on players I think are town (Void) or are confirmed town (Cyouni)
Vote: Swishh
I actually don't know what you mean. Are you implying that I am scum, like I was in C&B? Can you please expand?
You said this, and then made another post where you said you were going to do a reread. You don't need to reread to respond to what I said in my post 754. Please do that sooner rather than later.
You're a repeatable dayvig? I'm sad that our doc is dead.
Couple things.
I cannot vote by PM. I thought I changed to LoT, but I couldn't find the post where I did either. Maybe it was another vote count error.
Please point out my "bad votes, lack of reasonings [sic] and attacks on void and cyouni." If you could refer to posts I made after January 19 (date of my actuary exam before which I wasn't paying much attention to the game) I might have a little more stock in what you think.
I have my reasons. Something dawned on me after swishh made a post that pointed out that he KNEW Voxx is not the Vig. That said:
Vote: swishh I'm also willing to lynch Voxx at this point.
Ummm...Why?
Vote: Void
Love that OMGUS.
That's not an OMGUS. That's calling you out for jumping on Rhand's vote.
Oh yeah Rick is voting me too.
What does Rhand voting you have to do with me voting you?
Love that fearmongering.