Let's back up. AG lumped DRey and Che together. Even if I give you that AG provided reasoning on DRey (on which I still don't agree with you) that doesn't mean he provided any sort of reasoning on Che. Replace Che with any other name in AG's post and it's the same thing: trying to tie DRey and another player together without reasoning. If AG had actually pointed out suspicious interactions then I'd see what you're saying. As it stands just claiming that two players interacted does not a case make. That was what I was trying to get at.
That was more a bookmark than an argument. I was marking down a strange feeling that I had when DRey said "I'm fine with a lynch of either Kpaca (for previous reasons) or Che (I quite like the case against him)." The "or Che" felt off and potentially could be jumping onto a teammate's wagon. It's obviously not a case because it wasn't enough for me to come to exact conclusions.
I'd be guilty of this if it was AG making the accusation. As it is, you're using your interpretation of AG's words as evidence that my interpretation is wrong. Furthermore, in the twoposts AG has made since that post there is little to clarify his meaning.
I was tempted to respond with just "Try actually reading" to your response to my post. KCC showed you what seemed fairly obvious to me. I went sequentially in my comments and you decided, without reason, that I was jumping around without logic. You then used the assumption that I jumped around without sense to prove that my post made no sense. Obviously, nothing makes sense when you don't even read it.
I mean I pressure voted him, called him out for his naked vote on Tare, pointed out what I believe to be a completely horrible post (and you've got to give me that he at least hits Che for no reason), and clarified his completely misunderstanding on my point. AG hasn't ever provided a defense or supplied reasoning for his Tare vote and his only other post just throws more suspicion around, this time at Asenion. Why in the world are you grilling me when obvscum AG is just skating by?
I saw little reason to respond to such bogus arguments. Just look at Guardman and Iso's explanation of my motivations in Steins;Gate mafia. Bogus questions don't need answers; if I give a response to them, it will be directing you to reread.
I also wasn't throwing suspicion on Asenion; I was remarking on the dual reads that I was getting from him. In my experience, these come from town more often than scum. Tom in #71 was an example of this for me and I viewed him as basically confirmed town. That post was me pushing him up to 2nd on my town list.
@DRey: Does "sticky" last the entire game? If so, and "sticky" lasts after you are dead than it is an incredibly powerful ability. If you hug a confirmed town player than they basically become untargetable as a scum will be lynched if they ever die or get roleblocked. Even on a nonconfirmed player, if they die or get roleblocked it will narrow down all suspects to people that targeted them that night. It's weird that you would think that is a weak ability.
Ok, time for me to reread DRey's claim. I read it as sticky being a pointless cosmetic thing and didn't realize it spread based on targeting to confirm people's actions like a public Watcher.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Wow, yeah it sure says that. I don't know how I missed the "anyone who targets a sticky player also becomes sticky" part even on re-reading his claim the first time.
I was really sitting here not able to figure out what DRey's role did.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
@Cyouni: I was clearly referring to the previous post, not the one posted just before mine. That statement was in response to someone asking why I voted, which was because of the previous bad post. I hadn't taken the new post into account when answering a question about past actions before it. Please don't try to take things out of context.
Wow, yeah it sure says that. I don't know how I missed the "anyone who targets a sticky player also becomes sticky" part even on re-reading his claim the first time.
I was really sitting here not able to figure out what DRey's role did.
You ask the most vague generic questions about things that I didn't consider significant. It's like you are prying into the silliest details Cyouni. I guess that is how you scumhunt, so I'll help you as much as I can even though it's really annoying.
That post from AG used very generic scum tells without great explanations and places a vote on DRey that I considered not well enough explained. It's contentless because saying that people are "flailing" (and his other similar points) doesn't say anything about why. It's easy to fabricate a case using generic scum tells like that.
Your second question is about my thoughts on DRey possibly being a "variety of flavors of neutral"? It's because his source game had neutral cults that weren't actually opposed to the town. With DRey claiming sticky, and especially with me not noticing the part of his ability that made it useful to town, I figured he had some hidden ability aspect that referenced the number of sticky players. I still think it's possible that a player like DRey would lie to us because he thinks he can get some benefit from it later. As for the actual varieties of neutral, I think it would possible for him to be something like the source game, a neutral cult of some sort, or maybe a townie with a harder win condition. (E.G. You win with the town if more than 50% of living players are sticky.) Who knows what Xyre could have cooked up.
Aaaand last question. I think DRey's role is very strong for the town now that I understand it. He's similar to a Watcher, but he can't lie about his results. Sadly, if the goo spreads too far it will stop being as useful. It's far more powerful if he keeps it on just a few people to perma watch them.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Second, given you seem to believe KCC is scum, how does that question make sense?
How am I deflecting onto AG when I've been on him pretty obviously for a while now? Really the point of my question was to point out that KCC is pushing me for a difference in interpretation while AG continues to skate by on bad behavior. Considering that this whole thing between KCC and myself involves AG's behavior the fact that KCC has yet to even address AG's posts since the post (I need to come up with a better name for that post since I keep referring to it) is telling.
I explained the Taredas one. (It's basically because he has too many "town-tells" and I want to watch out for being double crossed.) kpaca is a suspicion because he has disappeared as he started to get pressured and his content has been unhelpful.
Fair enough on kpaca, but 'too many town-tells'? Really?
@Tar: I didn't say you were scum for being too townie, I said you were suspicious and I wanted to watch your actions more closely than others. I've been tricked before by people I clear on Day 1 and never worry about again.
@Cyouni: I was clearly referring to the previous post, not the one posted just before mine. That statement was in response to someone asking why I voted, which was because of the previous bad post. I hadn't taken the new post into account when answering a question about past actions before it. Please don't try to take things out of context.
Well, that didn't last long.
And now we're right back to where we're started - why are you suspicious of Taredas?
DRey has built himself a meta that's difficult to not read as scummy.
Meta is mostly just white noise anyway. But if you think he always reads as scummy, regardless of alignment, then why do you seem to be convinced he's town?
I'm beginning to think KCC isn't just merely giving AG undue significance but instead trying to force some scenario to make me look like I'm scum because I called out a bad post for what it was.
I'm concerned about kpaca and Che going dark. I'm beginning to suspect that both of them are scum and are willing to let us tear each other apart.
...and what about everyone else? Like, say, suspect no. 1 Forgotten One? Also, I note that in your 'top three suspects' below kpaca-now-RobRoy isn't on it.
I don't see myself as strong as you people seem to believe but I said that for two reasons: mostly to breadcrumb a power role and hopefully make people shy away from my wagon, I really really didn't want to claim and because I'm really powerless after claimed, because now I will be roleblocked/redirected/killed/something_else_I_have_no_idea and don't catch any scum while at it. I was hoping to catch at least one scum with my powers.
I hug people and they get the sticky status, this doesn't work until I've actively hugged someone. I suppose I will never appear in the thread since I'm naturally sticky.
...I don't get it. If you're naturally sticky, and someone kills you, he'll get caught anyway.
In fact, looking back at Mafia Redux 1, reveals on death were nothing but rolename and alignment. Meaning that if you'd died without claiming, no one would have had the faintest idea what in the world the stickiness did.
...all of this and your incredible reluctance to claim just don't add up.
It's playstyle-related rather than any indicator of alignment (or votes, for that matter); you generally sit back and analyze rather than make a Cyan-esque push on any players. It's reasonably effective at finding scum, but from what I saw in Ataghan it's not especially good at convincing other players to agree with you. In a deadline situation, that can be a bit of a problem.
Nearly the entire isn't quite right (closer to half, and two of those were at least partially "shape up and start playing better"), but I've been more spread out that I would like. There's a couple reasons for that: the lack of activity, general reluctance to bandwagon*, and slow pace here really hampers my scumhunting, and I've gotten cold feet at least twice (you're probably town, and Che's final response to my case could come from VI-town).
...what did you think of Che apparently having 'something that could confirm DRey as scum' that he never elaborated on, even when he went on to vote DRey?
I mean, for me the most important function of D1 is to metaphorically smash apart the playerbase with a strong case or two and see what the pieces look like so you can figure out who's scum given player flips. But that doesn't work when you're swinging into a blob because half of the other players are apathetic.
* - I'm pretty sure MTGS is less bandwagon-happy than MS is in general, but this game seems averse to bandwagons even by MTGS standards.
Wait, you say Cyouni is aggressive as town? Lemme check that - I've had him backburnered for a while now (much like KCC until I decided that I needed to be sure one way or the other). Maybe I should move him up to the front.
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Yes, yes it could be. And Cyouni was already near the top of my scumdar given that he's *also* been standing off to the side most of the game. And Voxx has a possible meta catch. Hmm.
...question, Taredas. Cyouni's definitely given no reason to think him town, but why are you so ready to take Voxxicus' word for this?
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Didn't you have hanging queries from previous days you need to answer? Like, from me, for instance?
I'm waffling on the last two. As I say above, DRey's behaviour still doesn't make sense with his claim. DRey and Che, however, don't seem likely to be scum together.
....deadline is approaching on a pre-release weekend, which is a bad thing.
@Mod: Is there no way to get an extension until 29th April?
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Che vanishing means we're unlikely to get a claim or meaningful interactions/responses from him with the deadline rapidly approaching.
FO is my second choice, and after doing a re-read of his posts, I'm more than fine with it.
The only real 'content' he's provided was concluding that Asenion and Teredas were scum together.
Has been lurking, dodged questions, and pops back up with the following:
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I was going to post that my Top 3 was Voxxious, KCC, Asenion, but re-reading Drey's claim makes me suspicious; it seems self-contradictory:
When he hadn't even mentioned myself or KCC all game. And dropped the Teredas suspicion for no discernable reason, when he thought the 3-fingers link between Asenion/Teredas made them both scum.
Him clinging to the Drey mislynch is also bad. Drey's role as stated is 100% confirmable, and there's just no point in lynching him today, or even in wasting time attacking him - it'll come out in the wash if he's misrepresenting/lying about his role, and we'll handle it then. It's extremely powerful if it acts as he claimed.
It reads like he feels the mislynch slipping away from him and tried to get suspicion back on him. I don't like it.
Meta is mostly just white noise anyway. But if you think he always reads as scummy, regardless of alignment, then why do you seem to be convinced he's town?
Can you point to where I said he was town? Just because I have trouble reading DRey as anything but scummy doesn't mean I always think he's scum nor does it mean I automatically give him town points.
...and what about everyone else? Like, say, suspect no. 1 Forgotten One? Also, I note that in your 'top three suspects' below kpaca-now-RobRoy isn't on it.
F1 has been around. He's actually posted in the past couple days. When did Che last post? A week ago (almost exactly) and that was to jump on the DRey wagon.
As for why I didn't name kpaca/RobRoy: I wanted to see how RR took over before putting him on a list of people I'm comfortable with being today's lynch.
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What did you mean by this?
Also, what do you think of DRey's actual claim?
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...I don't get it. If you're naturally sticky, and someone kills you, he'll get caught anyway.
In fact, looking back at Mafia Redux 1, reveals on death were nothing but rolename and alignment. Meaning that if you'd died without claiming, no one would have had the faintest idea what in the world the stickiness did.
...all of this and your incredible reluctance to claim just don't add up.
@Taredas
...meh, fair enough.
...what did you think of Che apparently having 'something that could confirm DRey as scum' that he never elaborated on, even when he went on to vote DRey?
This game is rather enervated right now, yes.
...huh? The only way that sentence makes sense is presupposing that Nis is town, which I would most certainly not agree is a good presupposition.
...question, Taredas. Cyouni's definitely given no reason to think him town, but why are you so ready to take Voxxicus' word for this?
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Didn't you have hanging queries from previous days you need to answer? Like, from me, for instance?
I'm waffling on the last two. As I say above, DRey's behaviour still doesn't make sense with his claim. DRey and Che, however, don't seem likely to be scum together.
....deadline is approaching on a pre-release weekend, which is a bad thing.
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Can you point to where I said he was town? Just because I have trouble reading DRey as anything but scummy doesn't mean I always think he's scum nor does it mean I automatically give him town points.
...gah, I'm getting mixed up. For some reason I thought you were partially attacking KCC for attacking DRey, but it was Voxx that said that. Point retracted.
F1 has been around. He's actually posted in the past couple days. When did Che last post? A week ago (almost exactly) and that was to jump on the DRey wagon.
As for why I didn't name kpaca/RobRoy: I wanted to see how RR took over before putting him on a list of people I'm comfortable with being today's lynch.
What does these people being around mean about me asking you what you think of them?
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What does these people being around mean about me asking you what you think of them?
My mistake. I thought you were asking why I didn't include F1 in the list of players who have dropped off the face of the Earth.
Currently I don't think F1 is keeping up. For example, he pointed out something in DRey's claim that I asked about and DRey answered not but 12 posts earlier.
F1 definitely bungled on his reasoning for voting Asenion with regards to timeline. It gave him more than a few scum points on my scumdar.
Other than that I have been too busy dealing with KCC to really make any other notes about F1.
Sorry, desCoures. I'm not keen on another extension. I suggest you try to get the lynch in before the 27th. If it becomes a desperate situation, we might revisit, but don't count on it.
I'll work on replacing Che, who appears to be gone. Since a replacement could not possibly get into the game fast enough (and that's assuming I could even find a replacement before this weekend), what I'll do instead is reduce the lynch threshold to 6 (as though Che were deceased) while I try to find someone. Hopefully that'll be sufficient to secure a lynch.
Don't like this at all. @Xyre
When would that modkill happen? Assuming we get a lynch before the deadline would you look for a replacement during Night and only modkill if you can't find one?
Btw, to elaborate on the "too townie" fallacy bit: I don't think Taredas is scum for being too townie, I think he is someone that should be watched carefully. If any of the factors that made him so strongly town end up being not true, he deserves a re-read. If his behavior becomes strikingly anti-town at some point, he deserves a re-read. If he starts acting strange and illogical, maybe he's neutral or something. Etc etc. The point is that when I mark someone as "For sure town" on my notes, that means I have to watch them closely for the future to make sure I didn't mark that incorrectly. The only time I use too townie as a reason to lynch someone is when there are strong meta reasons for doing so.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Well, first I said that Tar mentions MS a lot, because he does. Like, every post I read of his was talking about how things on MS, or what a phrase means there, or how the meta there is different, or his experiences there. I don't think it really indicates anything, but it happened a lot.
I was also expressing doubt that, if Tar is scum, we'll actually get to the point where he would hammer twice in this way without us losing.
To be honest, I was expecting that he'd have the standard Goo "target without doing anything" ability that I remember from the game, so the lack of that raises an eyebrow. His ability as claimed has a number of fuzzy areas that I would want clarified before a lynch, as others have already asked.
UnHoS - There's at most and probably exactly one scum in KCC/Nis (I'm not seeing busing, not after KCC's early push; this *could* be town-on-town, but I have my doubts). KCC's responses to case + Nis's recent posts = KCC more likely to be town than Nis.
- I was keeping this to myself until Che answered final questions, but no point now: Current read on Che's slot is a weak town read. He actually had a decent explanation for the Nis case (wasn't directly contradicting himself), and the rest of his activity is something I could see coming from VI-town (yes, that includes the DRey vote). Not sure, but not a top lynch candidate today.
- Color me MASSIVELY unimpressed with what I've seen of RobRoy so far (especially since my kpaca "shape up" push, unlike all my other pushes, generated a strong response... and IIRC not just from kpaca). In particular, I'm not happy with that "lack of 'target without doing anything' raises an eyebrow" comment - trust me, not all roles have the key mechanic of their source game (mine certainly doesn't, and no I will *not* elaborate at this time).
Also, somebody on the DRey wagon needs to unvote. I'd rather not hammer DRey, but if he's the best deadline option I want the way clear for my triple vote.
- Forgotten One: You are now at L-3. I have three votes and have noted suspicion on you. Deadline is nearby. Claim or die.
Current scum list: FO, {Nis/Cyouni/RobRoy} (last three in no particular order)
Note that I intend to hammer at least 12 hours before deadline.
Don't like this at all. @Xyre
When would that modkill happen? Assuming we get a lynch before the deadline would you look for a replacement during Night and only modkill if you can't find one?
Right.
But actually, I found a replacement, so I won't worry about that. Everyone welcome a true throwback - fadeblue!
I'll give desCoures his requested deadline extension to let fade try to catch up. Deadline is now Monday at 4pm MST.
You ask the most vague generic questions about things that I didn't consider significant. It's like you are prying into the silliest details Cyouni. I guess that is how you scumhunt, so I'll help you as much as I can even though it's really annoying.
Me declaring someone scum/town is solely due to if their stories line up with their mindset or not. There's the phrase "the devil is in the details". It's not an easy task to create a deception in which everything falls into place. The truth is far easier. Not to mention the fact that no one can actually spare the time or effort to go through every inch of their lie and have it make sense.
Any read coming from scum is inherently a lie, as they know who's town. Find inconsistencies, and you find scum. (Or people who have a mental condition that allows that, as once occurred.) It also requires a look at their mindset to see whether it fits or not. So my parameter's not town-scum, it's inconsistencies-none.
That post from AG used very generic scum tells without great explanations and places a vote on DRey that I considered not well enough explained. It's contentless because saying that people are "flailing" (and his other similar points) doesn't say anything about why. It's easy to fabricate a case using generic scum tells like that.
How is it "fabricating", a scum behaviour, when you said earlier it was "anti-town, but we should lynch him because he's a liability"?
How is "flailing" a generic scum tell, when he's describing Forgotten One as town?
Your second question is about my thoughts on DRey possibly being a "variety of flavors of neutral"? It's because his source game had neutral cults that weren't actually opposed to the town. With DRey claiming sticky, and especially with me not noticing the part of his ability that made it useful to town, I figured he had some hidden ability aspect that referenced the number of sticky players. I still think it's possible that a player like DRey would lie to us because he thinks he can get some benefit from it later. As for the actual varieties of neutral, I think it would possible for him to be something like the source game, a neutral cult of some sort, or maybe a townie with a harder win condition. (E.G. You win with the town if more than 50% of living players are sticky.) Who knows what Xyre could have cooked up.
Aaaand last question. I think DRey's role is very strong for the town now that I understand it. He's similar to a Watcher, but he can't lie about his results. Sadly, if the goo spreads too far it will stop being as useful. It's far more powerful if he keeps it on just a few people to perma watch them.
How am I deflecting onto AG when I've been on him pretty obviously for a while now? Really the point of my question was to point out that KCC is pushing me for a difference in interpretation while AG continues to skate by on bad behavior. Considering that this whole thing between KCC and myself involves AG's behavior the fact that KCC has yet to even address AG's posts since the post (I need to come up with a better name for that post since I keep referring to it) is telling.
Your statement was pretty much "you should look at AG instead of me". That's classic deflection.
- I was keeping this to myself until Che answered final questions, but no point now: Current read on Che's slot is a weak town read. He actually had a decent explanation for the Nis case (wasn't directly contradicting himself), and the rest of his activity is something I could see coming from VI-town (yes, that includes the DRey vote). Not sure, but not a top lynch candidate today.
Registering a town read on the guy who was aimed at a modkill. Noted.
- Color me MASSIVELY unimpressed with what I've seen of RobRoy so far (especially since my kpaca "shape up" push, unlike all my other pushes, generated a strong response... and IIRC not just from kpaca).
To clarify - was this sentence intended to attack me, or the kpaca/RR conglomerate? Because the first part seems to indicate that you don't like my contributions, but the parenthesized portion leads me the other way.
In particular, I'm not happy with that "lack of 'target without doing anything' raises an eyebrow" comment - trust me, not all roles have the key mechanic of their source game (mine certainly doesn't, and no I will *not* elaborate at this time).
Do you think my stated thoughts are inconsistent with town!RR - who, being townie, would likely have access to exactly one role PM to make assumptions from?
Also, somebody on the DRey wagon needs to unvote. I'd rather not hammer DRey, but if he's the best deadline option I want the way clear for my triple vote.
Wait. Can you only hammer if the person is at exactly L-3? If they are at L-2 or L-1, it won't work? Was that claimed earlier?
DRey: AG, FO, RR/Kpaca
Vox: Che, FO, Cy
Tar: KCC, Cy, FO
RR: Nis, TFO, Che, DRey
Asen: F1, AG
Cyouni: Nis, Asenion
FO: Voxx, KCC, Asen
Nis: AG, KCC, Che
KCC: Nis, F1, Cy, Voxx
That was the list. Compiling the numbers, we have:
Forgotten One: 6
AthiestGod: 3
RobRoy: 1
Cyouni: 3
KittyCupCake: 3
Nis: 3
Che (now fadeblue): 3
Voxxicus: 2
DRey: 1
Asenion: 2
That should be correct.
That list was not filled out by everyone. You're missing dC, Che/fadeblue, and AG - who were all voting for DRey. I don't agree that DRey actually rates a 1 on the suspicion scale, especially when people were actually voting for him - which should say a lot more about a desire to lynch than random lists of suspicion.
Hell, I can't even figure out why we started doing this. It looks like DRey was asking people for their top 3 suspects, and then compiled them into a list? And he included my random reread notes, and then others added on. I said that I was mildly suspicious of FO. I never said I wanted him to die, and if my list is being used to determine that, I'd like to rescind my naming.
@everyone: if you want to cast a vote on FO (or anyone else) as a result of this poll, please include an actual reason. You need to say "FO is the most likely scum because X". Convince me that you actually think he's scummy, and aren't just letting the easy lynch happen.
I've crashed the car and I have lots of other problems in my life right now to answer detailed stuff. Some bullet points.
@Tar stop browbeating people to claim because of your powers. That being said consider my vote on F1 for claiming purposes.
@questions I'm town, I've fullclaimed, I will be confirmed tomorrow and I'm not providing scum strategy advice about how to best deal with my powers.
@Rob "Hey, I don't really want DRey to be lynched, nor I've heard any responde from him, but I want to put my vote on him considering the lynch threshold is so low so hopefully one of my scummates can come and lynch him before night as dealing with his powers will be hell with the info we have right now"
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
So I can't be today's lynch because my "can't be lynched" ability has been activated. It's an involuntary thing that happens when a certain condition is met (and no, I'm not saying how). You can try it to test whether I'm telling the truth or not, but you are going to have to look elsewhere for today's lynch.
If you want my opinion, we should be lynching Voxxious. Asenion and KCC are also right there as far as I'm concerned. If I take the 3-finger/HoS thing as one of the biggest coincidences ever then Taredes has done nothing but act Town to me, but that does nothing to change my mind about Asenion.
The Drey wagon seemed kinda ridiculous the entire time it was going on, and I'm not entirely sure how he even got to L-3. We have a bunch of people in this game that have itchy trigger fingers and not all of them can be scum obviously, but that wagon reeks to me. I don't know what to think of with kpaca starting the voting, but it seems to me that scum would be more than willing to barn kpaca in hopes that he would drive the wagon home. Of course, kpaca disappeared but the wagon had already developed momentum and a life of its own. I also would not put it past a scum kpaca to try and drum up a case out of nothing just to see if it sticks...
Because I have an ability that can let me make someone immune to the lynch that day.
Also, that's the second time you've mentioned myself and KCC as scummy, but I don't think you ever actually gave a reason for it, or mentioned us prior to that.
I'd like a full town/scum list from you with reasoning and backing things up, actually.
1. Asenion - Pretty sure he's scum. He keeps on blathering about me voting for his scummy role even though I point out 4 other specific tells that all occurred before I voted and that I explained exactly what was wrong with his pre-emptive roleclaim. Since my vote, he's misrepped me, OMGUS'd me, and continued to act scummier and scummier with every post. 2. AtheistGod - Maybe Town, but no good read in particular. I played with him in Basic #71 where he was Town and his early game feels the same. I wasn't sure he was Town that game till later. 3. Cyouni - I haven't really tried to figure out Cyouni yet, so I have nothing really to go on regarding his behavior. I am also not good at reading "do nothing but ask questions and insinuate scumminess guy" that occasionally crops up in games. 4. desCoures - I really haven't figured out desCoures (as he often falls into the same steeotype as Cyouni) , but I've at least spent a little time trying to decipher his thinking. He comes accross as very agressive and some of the **** he points out as "scummy" are a reach at best. My initial thought was that he was leaning scummy, but subsequent posts come accross a lot more Town-ish. 5. DRey - His claim aside, I thought Drey felt pretty Town all game (although I don't necessarily agree with the reads he has posted so far). I think people need to be careful about making sure everyone doesn't get goo'd by his ability so that we don't lose to some alternate win condition, but otherwise I agree that his ability is essentially a Watcher. 6. fadeblue (r. Che Guevara) - Che comes accross as Town to me, just as frustrated as I am with how people play Mafia here. 7. Forgotten One - obv Town 8. KittyCupCake - Way agressive, and not in a good way. Probable scum IMO. 9. Nis - Comes accross as Town to me. 10. RobRoy (r. kpaca) - No good content to read, although kpaca being relatively quiet in the early game was somewhat disconcerting. It could also be that he was content to let other people carry the torch... His attack on Drey seemed like a big OMGUS, but it could also just be out of frustration. 11. Taredas - I don't know what to think of Taredes. He's seemingly HoS'd everybody in the game and he blusters about like his word is the absolute authority on everything, yet half of what says is BS and full of dubious logic. The other half comes across as well thought out and very Town. I'm split on Taredes. 12. Voxxicus - Fence sitter galore willing to subtly push in any direction the wind is already blowing. His only post with any sense of gumption was to pile a vote on my wagon, and even that was weak post . Scum. Scum. Scum.
@questions I'm town, I've fullclaimed, I will be confirmed tomorrow and I'm not providing scum strategy advice about how to best deal with my powers.
Disagree. Several people have questions about your power. If you want to tell us that you are going to refuse to answer more questions, you can, but when there is a lot of confusion over how your ability works, you have not fullclaimed.
@Rob "Hey, I don't really want DRey to be lynched, nor I've heard any responde from him, but I want to put my vote on him considering the lynch threshold is so low so hopefully one of my scummates can come and lynch him before night as dealing with his powers will be hell with the info we have right now"
The deadline, your absence, and the attempt at a wagon on FO are why I placed the vote. You're still at L-2, and I'm not trying to fly under anyone's radar.
So I can't be today's lynch because my "can't be lynched" ability has been activated. It's an involuntary thing that happens when a certain condition is met (and no, I'm not saying how). You can try it to test whether I'm telling the truth or not, but you are going to have to look elsewhere for today's lynch.
Will the day end if we get you up to the lynch threshold? If not, we 100% do this ASAP.
Finished a partial read (did not close-read last 3 pages yet).
Thoughts so far (pending reread):
Tar likely town
F1 leaning town
dC townish but need to reread
Fairly neutral on most except DRey
DRey looks scummiest to me. I don't like his claim either. It is confirmable but we won't know its effects. @DRey: What happens to players who are sticky?
Those are the three smaller games I've played on this site. I think I play much better in larger games, but I also play much differently, so it's not an accurate comparison. There's more interactions and votes to look at, and it's much easier to generate town reads.
I've been town every game on this site, small or large, and I'm town in this one, too. So I don't have any scum games for you to look at, unfortunately. Unless I link to games off-site, which I'm reluctant to do.
More topically, I want to lynch FO, or at least want him to fullclaim.
I'm a JoaT of sorts, and have a multitude of 1-shots.
One of my 1-shots involves being able to stop a lynch.
I know I'm not responsible for his 'unlynchable' state, and don't buy it. I think he's scum hoping we just go 'oh, okay' and go elsewhere.
There's also the irony in him accusing me of fence-sitting, when I've been pretty clear about my reads once I got into the game. And then he fence-sits all over the place in his own reads post. Less than half of the reads have any conviction whatsoever - which is fine, early on day one. But doing that after trying to attack someone else for a similar thing is just inconsistent and borderline comical.
Okay I somehow completely missed that.
So FO is claiming conditional unlynchability? The ability in itself is not necessarily pro-town. I agree a full claim would be nice.
I had FO leaning town, but due to the combination of this claim and his defense of DRey (of course conditional on DRey being scum), I take that back.
Yeah that claim strikes me as odd. I too have a sort of a conditional lynch defense. It's why I don't flip on death, because I may or may not actually die when lynched.
Seems odd to have 3 variants of that role unless Xyre really wanted people to really not get lynched.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Registering a town read on the guy who was aimed at a modkill. Noted.
a) I've had a draft post about that sitting in my notes for OVER A WEEK. I crumbed the existence of that post back in post 203, and noted that I didn't want to drop it until Che had answered two final questions. He never did so, so I continued to hold it back; now that he's been replaced, no point doing so:
Cupcake said Nis was neutral hunting, Nis denied it, and I came in claiming he is backpedaling by questioning "How is that not neutral hunting". I think Backpedaling is scummy, not Neutral hunting. I never once claimed Nis was scum for the neutral hunt.
Okay, that actually makes sense. (Aside from the cupcake part - I checked, I *was* the first person to mention possible neutral hunting from Nis [in post ].)
lol I don't read any outside game links because I don't care for meta. Stated that multiple times.
You don't have to believe anything I say, I'm doing my way of finding scum. It works for me.
Because I post them at face value. I'm not a 13 year old girl trying to be meaningful through a few sentences. But again man, whatever you think, lol.
Huh.
Che's not playing well... but his response to pressure is null at worst (I could see scum pulling this sort of "my posts should explain themselves" argument, but I can easily see town doing so as well) and probably indicative of being town. In particular, when confronted with an apparent direct contradiction he stood his ground and showed how his line of attack could come from a town mindset.
I don't like a lot of his play, but his defense looks like a standard VI defense on Scum. Lynched too many of those and seen them flip town to be confident here.
To clarify - was this sentence intended to attack me, or the kpaca/RR conglomerate? Because the first part seems to indicate that you don't like my contributions, but the parenthesized portion leads me the other way.
Not liking your play and not liking your slot aren't mutually exclusive, you know.
I'm less sure on the slot point - kpaca's personal style is close to unreadable, and the timing of the DRey push could be a coincidence. However, by my analysis your slot is more likely to be scum than half of the game, regardless of your own actions (and especially if KCC or dC is scum, though at the moment I consider that unlikely).
Do you think my stated thoughts are inconsistent with town!RR - who, being townie, would likely have access to exactly one role PM to make assumptions from?
That would depend on what your role is and where it comes from.
However, considering what that role does, I'd expect town to at least consider taking a wait-and-see approach re: DRey. I'd DEFINITELY expect town to back off now that somebody else (with an easily confirmable claim that WILL be proven D1) is telling you that their role also doesn't feature their source game's central mechanic.
Wait. Can you only hammer if the person is at exactly L-3? If they are at L-2 or L-1, it won't work? Was that claimed earlier?
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Uh, I want to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have a full three votes when hammering. That's all I'm saying, and that's all you need to know. No fish for you.
So I can't be today's lynch because my "can't be lynched" ability has been activated. It's an involuntary thing that happens when a certain condition is met (and no, I'm not saying how). You can try it to test whether I'm telling the truth or not, but you are going to have to look elsewhere for today's lynch.
If you want my opinion, we should be lynching Voxxious. Asenion and KCC are also right there as far as I'm concerned. If I take the 3-finger/HoS thing as one of the biggest coincidences ever then Taredes has done nothing but act Town to me, but that does nothing to change my mind about Asenion.
The Drey wagon seemed kinda ridiculous the entire time it was going on, and I'm not entirely sure how he even got to L-3. We have a bunch of people in this game that have itchy trigger fingers and not all of them can be scum obviously, but that wagon reeks to me. I don't know what to think of with kpaca starting the voting, but it seems to me that scum would be more than willing to barn kpaca in hopes that he would drive the wagon home. Of course, kpaca disappeared but the wagon had already developed momentum and a life of its own. I also would not put it past a scum kpaca to try and drum up a case out of nothing just to see if it sticks...
Do confirm whether or not this ends the day. Unlynchable should be tested if possible anyways, but if this ability works as "if I reach the lynch threshold, I am not lynched" then it can also be used to test my ability (if your ability is actually just an increased lynch threshold, that may be testable too given the specifics of my ability; I'll check).
On the flip side, your stance regarding me earlier now makes *much* more sense.
...what did you think of Che apparently having 'something that could confirm DRey as scum' that he never elaborated on, even when he went on to vote DRey?
The vote itself reads null: that's a bog-standard bandwagon vote over on Scum, regardless of alignment.
The "something that could confirm DRey as scum" and refusal to elaborate could also come from town. I will not elaborate further at this time.
...huh? The only way that sentence makes sense is presupposing that Nis is town, which I would most certainly not agree is a good presupposition.
Arguing from the counterfactual. (That, and I'm pretty sure that at least one of KCC and Nis are town - if KCC is scum, I don't think she's bussing Nis here.)
...question, Taredas. Cyouni's definitely given no reason to think him town, but why are you so ready to take Voxxicus' word for this?
I said *possible* meta catch for a reason; I won't take it for granted until I've had time to double-check for myself (on my near-future list).
(Note that Cyouni's playstyle here reads scummish to me anyways; the way he's playing is a common scum tactic on MS. But with site meta differences I need to check meta before I'm sure.)
@Tar stop browbeating people to claim because of your powers. That being said consider my vote on F1 for claiming purposes.
When I made that post the lynch threshold was 6 votes, FO had three votes, and I was expressing my support (effectively 4 votes). That's L-2, and that's claim threshold. Got a problem with that?
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Current scum list: FO, {Nis/Cyouni/RobRoy} (last three in no particular order).
a) I've had a draft post about that sitting in my notes for OVER A WEEK. I crumbed the existence of that post back in post 203, and noted that I didn't want to drop it until Che had answered two final questions. He never did so, so I continued to hold it back; now that he's been replaced, no point doing so:
b) Why noted?
That was me saying that I found the timing to be suspicious. However, I had forgotten about your earlier comments/questions to him in 203. That basically removes any weight from my suspicion.
Not liking your play and not liking your slot aren't mutually exclusive, you know.
I'm less sure on the slot point - kpaca's personal style is close to unreadable, and the timing of the DRey push could be a coincidence. However, by my analysis your slot is more likely to be scum than half of the game, regardless of your own actions (and especially if KCC or dC is scum, though at the moment I consider that unlikely).
Fair enough. I just wasn't sure if I was being attacked for being me for for being kpain.
That would depend on what your role is and where it comes from.
However, considering what that role does, I'd expect town to at least consider taking a wait-and-see approach re: DRey. I'd DEFINITELY expect town to back off now that somebody else (with an easily confirmable claim that WILL be proven D1) is telling you that their role also doesn't feature their source game's central mechanic.
The fact that DRey doesn't have a random target ability was never the main reason behind my suspicion of him. It was a random extra bit that I threw in when desCoures asked for my opinion of his claim. The main reasons I have to vote him are a) a general "off" feeling from his posts; b) the fact that his first post of the game seemed to confuse him, and he posted about his confusion instead of clarifying with the mod; and c) the fact that he partially claimed, and now is trying to say that he fully claimed.
You have given support of DRey on point d), which was always extra. I'm not going to give him a pass because of that.
Uh, I want to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have a full three votes when hammering. That's all I'm saying, and that's all you need to know. No fish for you.
And I want to have some accountability when we lynch somebody. Between you throwing three votes around and others basing lynch decisions off random "suspicion lists", we seem to have gotten away from that.
More topically, I want to lynch FO, or at least want him to fullclaim.
I'm a JoaT of sorts, and have a multitude of 1-shots.
One of my 1-shots involves being able to stop a lynch.
I know I'm not responsible for his 'unlynchable' state, and don't buy it. I think he's scum hoping we just go 'oh, okay' and go elsewhere.
I actually want you to confirm my ability. That's why I claimed it now so that we have a chance of lynching someone else before the deadline.
And just to clarify, my ability isn't specifically an 'unlynchable' thing. If a certain condition is met, I am essentially unkillable for a limited time.
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There's also the irony in him accusing me of fence-sitting, when I've been pretty clear about my reads once I got into the game. And then he fence-sits all over the place in his own reads post. Less than half of the reads have any conviction whatsoever - which is fine, early on day one. But doing that after trying to attack someone else for a similar thing is just inconsistent and borderline comical.
I can't have positive scum/town reads on all 11 other players, but I have 2 good scum reads (you and Asenion), 1 fairly good scum read in KCC, a good Town read on Drey, Che, and Nis. You on the other hand have done nothing but waffled on having any scum reads of any conviction whatsoever.
I have other role restrictions in place so that I would prefer to not have to do that. I will say that I also have another ability, but the restriction is so limiting that I doubt I'll ever be able to actually use it.
No. The vote count will just get reset. You should all run me to L-3 and have Taredes confirm his Triple vote.
vote: Forgotten One. I think that puts me with Voxx, KCC, and Asenion, so you are at L-3 - at least, I assume the lynch threshold went back up to 7 with fadeblue around.
Vote: Voxxicus for being the only player below me on the player list.
Now, the important part: Nobody else vote for Voxx until the mod posts a vote count.
Mod: Vote Count, please.
Why ask for an immediate vote count? Well, I have one of those abilities that needs to be claimed in my first post: I have a variant of the Actor voting restriction. If I am not the hammering vote for a player, my vote does nothing.
Corollary: I call the hammer today.
Once Xyre has posted a votecount, I will unvote and start using the Hand of Suspicion (HoS) as a pseudovote until it is time to hammer.
We now return to your regularly scheduled random vote stage.
Note: With fadeblue in, yes, the lynch threshold has returned to 7.
I take it this vote count is correct?
Very well then.
Vote x3: Forgotten One
Mod: Vote Count please.
(If for some reason this doesn't work, we should run FO to actual L-1 and try again - given how my ability is worded, a lynch threshold increase ala Cyan's starting +2 lynch count in Goo would disrupt it.)
As you all circle around Forgotten One, a figure appears from behind a pillar, dressed in what appears to be a black-and-red onesie.
"Greetings, mortals. I am Q," the figure says.
"Q who?" Voxxicus asks.
"I believe the term on the internet is actually QQ," Q answers, "but that's not important. I am here to guide you through the slaughter to come."
"Hang on, who said anything about slaughter?" Nis asks, warily.
"I did, just now," Q says, his arms crossed. "Now, who's the chosen victim - er, scum?" he asks. He lowers his arms, and produces from behind his back a wicked-looking machete. "Let he who is without towniness behold the might of my judgment-machete."
Several of you obediently grab Forgotten One by the arms and drag him before Q. Forgotten One looks up, defiantly. "I have done nothing! And I am confident your judgment-machete will have no eff-" His speech is cut short by Q stabbing him in the chest.
You release Forgotten One's arms, and he falls to the ground, gasping. Q frowns and removes his judgment-machete. "I have served your judgment, mortals. Now go back to your homes, and prepare-"
"Why do you have a judgment-machete anyway, Q? Aren't you supposed to be, like, a God-like figure who imparts unto the crew of the Enterprise, y'know, being-good-stuff?" KittyCupCake asks.
Q frowns. "This is a matter above your realm of comprehension, mortal. Now go-"
"Hang on a damn minute," Forgotten One says from the ground. He stands up, and pats his chest for a moment. It's good as new. "I'm still here, mate." You look at him, incredulously.
He turns to Q, and looks a little sheepish. "Got an extra shirt on you?"
That was more a bookmark than an argument. I was marking down a strange feeling that I had when DRey said "I'm fine with a lynch of either Kpaca (for previous reasons) or Che (I quite like the case against him)." The "or Che" felt off and potentially could be jumping onto a teammate's wagon. It's obviously not a case because it wasn't enough for me to come to exact conclusions.
I was tempted to respond with just "Try actually reading" to your response to my post. KCC showed you what seemed fairly obvious to me. I went sequentially in my comments and you decided, without reason, that I was jumping around without logic. You then used the assumption that I jumped around without sense to prove that my post made no sense. Obviously, nothing makes sense when you don't even read it.
I saw little reason to respond to such bogus arguments. Just look at Guardman and Iso's explanation of my motivations in Steins;Gate mafia. Bogus questions don't need answers; if I give a response to them, it will be directing you to reread.
I also wasn't throwing suspicion on Asenion; I was remarking on the dual reads that I was getting from him. In my experience, these come from town more often than scum. Tom in #71 was an example of this for me and I viewed him as basically confirmed town. That post was me pushing him up to 2nd on my town list.
@DRey: Does "sticky" last the entire game? If so, and "sticky" lasts after you are dead than it is an incredibly powerful ability. If you hug a confirmed town player than they basically become untargetable as a scum will be lynched if they ever die or get roleblocked. Even on a nonconfirmed player, if they die or get roleblocked it will narrow down all suspects to people that targeted them that night. It's weird that you would think that is a weak ability.
Until next time, stay awesome.
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I was really sitting here not able to figure out what DRey's role did.
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Explain how that fits your qualifications described here.
Also, I do want an answer to my other question here.
Hm.
First, why the deflection?
Second, given you seem to believe KCC is scum, how does that question make sense?
What were you expecting?
Do you happen to have an opinion on it?
That post from AG used very generic scum tells without great explanations and places a vote on DRey that I considered not well enough explained. It's contentless because saying that people are "flailing" (and his other similar points) doesn't say anything about why. It's easy to fabricate a case using generic scum tells like that.
Your second question is about my thoughts on DRey possibly being a "variety of flavors of neutral"? It's because his source game had neutral cults that weren't actually opposed to the town. With DRey claiming sticky, and especially with me not noticing the part of his ability that made it useful to town, I figured he had some hidden ability aspect that referenced the number of sticky players. I still think it's possible that a player like DRey would lie to us because he thinks he can get some benefit from it later. As for the actual varieties of neutral, I think it would possible for him to be something like the source game, a neutral cult of some sort, or maybe a townie with a harder win condition. (E.G. You win with the town if more than 50% of living players are sticky.) Who knows what Xyre could have cooked up.
Aaaand last question. I think DRey's role is very strong for the town now that I understand it. He's similar to a Watcher, but he can't lie about his results. Sadly, if the goo spreads too far it will stop being as useful. It's far more powerful if he keeps it on just a few people to perma watch them.
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How am I deflecting onto AG when I've been on him pretty obviously for a while now? Really the point of my question was to point out that KCC is pushing me for a difference in interpretation while AG continues to skate by on bad behavior. Considering that this whole thing between KCC and myself involves AG's behavior the fact that KCC has yet to even address AG's posts since the post (I need to come up with a better name for that post since I keep referring to it) is telling.
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Fair enough on kpaca, but 'too many town-tells'? Really?
Well, that didn't last long.
And now we're right back to where we're started - why are you suspicious of Taredas?
@Nis
Meta is mostly just white noise anyway. But if you think he always reads as scummy, regardless of alignment, then why do you seem to be convinced he's town?
...okay, fair enough.
...and what about everyone else? Like, say, suspect no. 1 Forgotten One? Also, I note that in your 'top three suspects' below kpaca-now-RobRoy isn't on it.
@RobRoy
What did you mean by this?
Also, what do you think of DRey's actual claim?
@DRey
...I don't get it. If you're naturally sticky, and someone kills you, he'll get caught anyway.
In fact, looking back at Mafia Redux 1, reveals on death were nothing but rolename and alignment. Meaning that if you'd died without claiming, no one would have had the faintest idea what in the world the stickiness did.
...all of this and your incredible reluctance to claim just don't add up.
@Taredas
...meh, fair enough.
...what did you think of Che apparently having 'something that could confirm DRey as scum' that he never elaborated on, even when he went on to vote DRey?
This game is rather enervated right now, yes.
...huh? The only way that sentence makes sense is presupposing that Nis is town, which I would most certainly not agree is a good presupposition.
...question, Taredas. Cyouni's definitely given no reason to think him town, but why are you so ready to take Voxxicus' word for this?
@Forgotten One
Didn't you have hanging queries from previous days you need to answer? Like, from me, for instance?
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DRey: AG, FO, RR/Kpaca
Vox: Che, FO, Cy
Tar: KCC, Cy, FO
RR: Nis, TFO, Che, DRey
Asen: F1, AG
Cyouni: Nis, Asenion
FO: Voxx, KCC, Asen
Nis: AG, KCC, Che
KCC: Nis, F1, Cy, Voxx
dC: FO, Asenion, Nis, (DRey/Che)
I'm waffling on the last two. As I say above, DRey's behaviour still doesn't make sense with his claim. DRey and Che, however, don't seem likely to be scum together.
....deadline is approaching on a pre-release weekend, which is a bad thing.
@Mod: Is there no way to get an extension until 29th April?
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Che vanishing means we're unlikely to get a claim or meaningful interactions/responses from him with the deadline rapidly approaching.
FO is my second choice, and after doing a re-read of his posts, I'm more than fine with it.
The only real 'content' he's provided was concluding that Asenion and Teredas were scum together.
Has been lurking, dodged questions, and pops back up with the following:
When he hadn't even mentioned myself or KCC all game. And dropped the Teredas suspicion for no discernable reason, when he thought the 3-fingers link between Asenion/Teredas made them both scum.
Him clinging to the Drey mislynch is also bad. Drey's role as stated is 100% confirmable, and there's just no point in lynching him today, or even in wasting time attacking him - it'll come out in the wash if he's misrepresenting/lying about his role, and we'll handle it then. It's extremely powerful if it acts as he claimed.
It reads like he feels the mislynch slipping away from him and tried to get suspicion back on him. I don't like it.
Let's lynch the scum.
Can you point to where I said he was town? Just because I have trouble reading DRey as anything but scummy doesn't mean I always think he's scum nor does it mean I automatically give him town points.
F1 has been around. He's actually posted in the past couple days. When did Che last post? A week ago (almost exactly) and that was to jump on the DRey wagon.
As for why I didn't name kpaca/RobRoy: I wanted to see how RR took over before putting him on a list of people I'm comfortable with being today's lynch.
@RobRoy
What did you mean by this?
Also, what do you think of DRey's actual claim?
@DRey
...I don't get it. If you're naturally sticky, and someone kills you, he'll get caught anyway.
In fact, looking back at Mafia Redux 1, reveals on death were nothing but rolename and alignment. Meaning that if you'd died without claiming, no one would have had the faintest idea what in the world the stickiness did.
...all of this and your incredible reluctance to claim just don't add up.
@Taredas
...meh, fair enough.
...what did you think of Che apparently having 'something that could confirm DRey as scum' that he never elaborated on, even when he went on to vote DRey?
This game is rather enervated right now, yes.
...huh? The only way that sentence makes sense is presupposing that Nis is town, which I would most certainly not agree is a good presupposition.
...question, Taredas. Cyouni's definitely given no reason to think him town, but why are you so ready to take Voxxicus' word for this?
@Forgotten One
Didn't you have hanging queries from previous days you need to answer? Like, from me, for instance?
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DRey: AG, FO, RR/Kpaca
Vox: Che, FO, Cy
Tar: KCC, Cy, FO
RR: Nis, TFO, Che, DRey
Asen: F1, AG
Cyouni: Nis, Asenion
FO: Voxx, KCC, Asen
Nis: AG, KCC, Che
KCC: Nis, F1, Cy, Voxx
dC: FO, Asenion, Nis, (DRey/Che)
I'm waffling on the last two. As I say above, DRey's behaviour still doesn't make sense with his claim. DRey and Che, however, don't seem likely to be scum together.
....deadline is approaching on a pre-release weekend, which is a bad thing.
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...gah, I'm getting mixed up. For some reason I thought you were partially attacking KCC for attacking DRey, but it was Voxx that said that. Point retracted.
What does these people being around mean about me asking you what you think of them?
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My mistake. I thought you were asking why I didn't include F1 in the list of players who have dropped off the face of the Earth.
Currently I don't think F1 is keeping up. For example, he pointed out something in DRey's claim that I asked about and DRey answered not but 12 posts earlier.
F1 definitely bungled on his reasoning for voting Asenion with regards to timeline. It gave him more than a few scum points on my scumdar.
Other than that I have been too busy dealing with KCC to really make any other notes about F1.
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The first rule of Cursecatcher is, You do not talk about Cursecatcher.
I'll work on replacing Che, who appears to be gone. Since a replacement could not possibly get into the game fast enough (and that's assuming I could even find a replacement before this weekend), what I'll do instead is reduce the lynch threshold to 6 (as though Che were deceased) while I try to find someone. Hopefully that'll be sufficient to secure a lynch.
And if I can't replace him, I'll modkill him.
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(6 to lynch)
Asenion - 1 (Forgotten One)
Nis - 2 (Cyouni, KittyCupCake)
DRey - 3 (AtheistGod, Che Guevara, desCoures)
AtheistGod - 3 (Nis, DRey, Asenion)
Forgotten One - 1 (Voxxicus)
Not Voting: RobRoy, Taredas
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Vote Forgotten One
My second suspect anyway.
@DC: I was asked for an extended scum list and posted everyone I have suspicion on.
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Don't like this at all.
@Xyre
When would that modkill happen? Assuming we get a lynch before the deadline would you look for a replacement during Night and only modkill if you can't find one?
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Well, first I said that Tar mentions MS a lot, because he does. Like, every post I read of his was talking about how things on MS, or what a phrase means there, or how the meta there is different, or his experiences there. I don't think it really indicates anything, but it happened a lot.
I was also expressing doubt that, if Tar is scum, we'll actually get to the point where he would hammer twice in this way without us losing.
To be honest, I was expecting that he'd have the standard Goo "target without doing anything" ability that I remember from the game, so the lack of that raises an eyebrow. His ability as claimed has a number of fuzzy areas that I would want clarified before a lynch, as others have already asked.
For the record, unless I hear something good from him, my vote is aimed at DRey.
Actually, forget it. vote: DRey. I'll unvote if he comes back with something I like. But I would appreciate if he were not speedlynched.
UnHoS - There's at most and probably exactly one scum in KCC/Nis (I'm not seeing busing, not after KCC's early push; this *could* be town-on-town, but I have my doubts). KCC's responses to case + Nis's recent posts = KCC more likely to be town than Nis.
- I was keeping this to myself until Che answered final questions, but no point now: Current read on Che's slot is a weak town read. He actually had a decent explanation for the Nis case (wasn't directly contradicting himself), and the rest of his activity is something I could see coming from VI-town (yes, that includes the DRey vote). Not sure, but not a top lynch candidate today.
- Color me MASSIVELY unimpressed with what I've seen of RobRoy so far (especially since my kpaca "shape up" push, unlike all my other pushes, generated a strong response... and IIRC not just from kpaca). In particular, I'm not happy with that "lack of 'target without doing anything' raises an eyebrow" comment - trust me, not all roles have the key mechanic of their source game (mine certainly doesn't, and no I will *not* elaborate at this time).
Also, somebody on the DRey wagon needs to unvote. I'd rather not hammer DRey, but if he's the best deadline option I want the way clear for my triple vote.
- Forgotten One: You are now at L-3. I have three votes and have noted suspicion on you. Deadline is nearby. Claim or die.
Current scum list: FO, {Nis/Cyouni/RobRoy} (last three in no particular order)
Note that I intend to hammer at least 12 hours before deadline.
Mod: At what time of day GMT does deadline fall?
More later.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Right.
But actually, I found a replacement, so I won't worry about that. Everyone welcome a true throwback - fadeblue!
I'll give desCoures his requested deadline extension to let fade try to catch up. Deadline is now Monday at 4pm MST.
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Any read coming from scum is inherently a lie, as they know who's town. Find inconsistencies, and you find scum. (Or people who have a mental condition that allows that, as once occurred.) It also requires a look at their mindset to see whether it fits or not. So my parameter's not town-scum, it's inconsistencies-none.
How is it "fabricating", a scum behaviour, when you said earlier it was "anti-town, but we should lynch him because he's a liability"?
How is "flailing" a generic scum tell, when he's describing Forgotten One as town?
What about "having no opinions"?
Alright.
So what do you believe it means alignment-wise?
Your statement was pretty much "you should look at AG instead of me". That's classic deflection.
Why such a roundabout way of saying she's scum?
DRey: AG, FO, RR/Kpaca
Vox: Che, FO, Cy
Tar: KCC, Cy, FO
RR: Nis, TFO, Che, DRey
Asen: F1, AG
Cyouni: Nis, Asenion
FO: Voxx, KCC, Asen
Nis: AG, KCC, Che
KCC: Nis, F1, Cy, Voxx
That was the list. Compiling the numbers, we have:
Forgotten One: 6
AthiestGod: 3
RobRoy: 1
Cyouni: 3
KittyCupCake: 3
Nis: 3
Che (now fadeblue): 3
Voxxicus: 2
DRey: 1
Asenion: 2
That should be correct.
Registering a town read on the guy who was aimed at a modkill. Noted.
To clarify - was this sentence intended to attack me, or the kpaca/RR conglomerate? Because the first part seems to indicate that you don't like my contributions, but the parenthesized portion leads me the other way.
Do you think my stated thoughts are inconsistent with town!RR - who, being townie, would likely have access to exactly one role PM to make assumptions from?
Wait. Can you only hammer if the person is at exactly L-3? If they are at L-2 or L-1, it won't work? Was that claimed earlier?
That list was not filled out by everyone. You're missing dC, Che/fadeblue, and AG - who were all voting for DRey. I don't agree that DRey actually rates a 1 on the suspicion scale, especially when people were actually voting for him - which should say a lot more about a desire to lynch than random lists of suspicion.
Hell, I can't even figure out why we started doing this. It looks like DRey was asking people for their top 3 suspects, and then compiled them into a list? And he included my random reread notes, and then others added on. I said that I was mildly suspicious of FO. I never said I wanted him to die, and if my list is being used to determine that, I'd like to rescind my naming.
@everyone: if you want to cast a vote on FO (or anyone else) as a result of this poll, please include an actual reason. You need to say "FO is the most likely scum because X". Convince me that you actually think he's scummy, and aren't just letting the easy lynch happen.
@Tar stop browbeating people to claim because of your powers. That being said consider my vote on F1 for claiming purposes.
@questions I'm town, I've fullclaimed, I will be confirmed tomorrow and I'm not providing scum strategy advice about how to best deal with my powers.
@Rob "Hey, I don't really want DRey to be lynched, nor I've heard any responde from him, but I want to put my vote on him considering the lynch threshold is so low so hopefully one of my scummates can come and lynch him before night as dealing with his powers will be hell with the info we have right now"
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
If you want my opinion, we should be lynching Voxxious. Asenion and KCC are also right there as far as I'm concerned. If I take the 3-finger/HoS thing as one of the biggest coincidences ever then Taredes has done nothing but act Town to me, but that does nothing to change my mind about Asenion.
The Drey wagon seemed kinda ridiculous the entire time it was going on, and I'm not entirely sure how he even got to L-3. We have a bunch of people in this game that have itchy trigger fingers and not all of them can be scum obviously, but that wagon reeks to me. I don't know what to think of with kpaca starting the voting, but it seems to me that scum would be more than willing to barn kpaca in hopes that he would drive the wagon home. Of course, kpaca disappeared but the wagon had already developed momentum and a life of its own. I also would not put it past a scum kpaca to try and drum up a case out of nothing just to see if it sticks...
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Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Definitely want to test this.
Because I have an ability that can let me make someone immune to the lynch that day.
Also, that's the second time you've mentioned myself and KCC as scummy, but I don't think you ever actually gave a reason for it, or mentioned us prior to that.
I'd like a full town/scum list from you with reasoning and backing things up, actually.
1. Asenion - Pretty sure he's scum. He keeps on blathering about me voting for his scummy role even though I point out 4 other specific tells that all occurred before I voted and that I explained exactly what was wrong with his pre-emptive roleclaim. Since my vote, he's misrepped me, OMGUS'd me, and continued to act scummier and scummier with every post.
2. AtheistGod - Maybe Town, but no good read in particular. I played with him in Basic #71 where he was Town and his early game feels the same. I wasn't sure he was Town that game till later.
3. Cyouni - I haven't really tried to figure out Cyouni yet, so I have nothing really to go on regarding his behavior. I am also not good at reading "do nothing but ask questions and insinuate scumminess guy" that occasionally crops up in games.
4. desCoures - I really haven't figured out desCoures (as he often falls into the same steeotype as Cyouni) , but I've at least spent a little time trying to decipher his thinking. He comes accross as very agressive and some of the **** he points out as "scummy" are a reach at best. My initial thought was that he was leaning scummy, but subsequent posts come accross a lot more Town-ish.
5. DRey - His claim aside, I thought Drey felt pretty Town all game (although I don't necessarily agree with the reads he has posted so far). I think people need to be careful about making sure everyone doesn't get goo'd by his ability so that we don't lose to some alternate win condition, but otherwise I agree that his ability is essentially a Watcher.
6. fadeblue (r. Che Guevara) - Che comes accross as Town to me, just as frustrated as I am with how people play Mafia here.
7. Forgotten One - obv Town
8. KittyCupCake - Way agressive, and not in a good way. Probable scum IMO.
9. Nis - Comes accross as Town to me.
10. RobRoy (r. kpaca) - No good content to read, although kpaca being relatively quiet in the early game was somewhat disconcerting. It could also be that he was content to let other people carry the torch... His attack on Drey seemed like a big OMGUS, but it could also just be out of frustration.
11. Taredas - I don't know what to think of Taredes. He's seemingly HoS'd everybody in the game and he blusters about like his word is the absolute authority on everything, yet half of what says is BS and full of dubious logic. The other half comes across as well thought out and very Town. I'm split on Taredes.
12. Voxxicus - Fence sitter galore willing to subtly push in any direction the wind is already blowing. His only post with any sense of gumption was to pile a vote on my wagon, and even that was weak post . Scum. Scum. Scum.
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Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Unfortunate. Hope life gets better.
Disagree. Several people have questions about your power. If you want to tell us that you are going to refuse to answer more questions, you can, but when there is a lot of confusion over how your ability works, you have not fullclaimed.
The deadline, your absence, and the attempt at a wagon on FO are why I placed the vote. You're still at L-2, and I'm not trying to fly under anyone's radar.
Will the day end if we get you up to the lynch threshold? If not, we 100% do this ASAP.
Thoughts so far (pending reread):
Tar likely town
F1 leaning town
dC townish but need to reread
Fairly neutral on most except DRey
DRey looks scummiest to me. I don't like his claim either. It is confirmable but we won't know its effects. @DRey: What happens to players who are sticky?
I'll have more later.
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Those are the three smaller games I've played on this site. I think I play much better in larger games, but I also play much differently, so it's not an accurate comparison. There's more interactions and votes to look at, and it's much easier to generate town reads.
I've been town every game on this site, small or large, and I'm town in this one, too. So I don't have any scum games for you to look at, unfortunately. Unless I link to games off-site, which I'm reluctant to do.
I'm a JoaT of sorts, and have a multitude of 1-shots.
One of my 1-shots involves being able to stop a lynch.
I know I'm not responsible for his 'unlynchable' state, and don't buy it. I think he's scum hoping we just go 'oh, okay' and go elsewhere.
There's also the irony in him accusing me of fence-sitting, when I've been pretty clear about my reads once I got into the game. And then he fence-sits all over the place in his own reads post. Less than half of the reads have any conviction whatsoever - which is fine, early on day one. But doing that after trying to attack someone else for a similar thing is just inconsistent and borderline comical.
And FO is unlynchable?? Did I miss something while skimming over the last few pages?
So FO is claiming conditional unlynchability? The ability in itself is not necessarily pro-town. I agree a full claim would be nice.
I had FO leaning town, but due to the combination of this claim and his defense of DRey (of course conditional on DRey being scum), I take that back.
Seems odd to have 3 variants of that role unless Xyre really wanted people to really not get lynched.
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a) I've had a draft post about that sitting in my notes for OVER A WEEK. I crumbed the existence of that post back in post 203, and noted that I didn't want to drop it until Che had answered two final questions. He never did so, so I continued to hold it back; now that he's been replaced, no point doing so:
b) Why noted?
Not liking your play and not liking your slot aren't mutually exclusive, you know.
I'm less sure on the slot point - kpaca's personal style is close to unreadable, and the timing of the DRey push could be a coincidence. However, by my analysis your slot is more likely to be scum than half of the game, regardless of your own actions (and especially if KCC or dC is scum, though at the moment I consider that unlikely).
That would depend on what your role is and where it comes from.
However, considering what that role does, I'd expect town to at least consider taking a wait-and-see approach re: DRey. I'd DEFINITELY expect town to back off now that somebody else (with an easily confirmable claim that WILL be proven D1) is telling you that their role also doesn't feature their source game's central mechanic.
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Uh, I want to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have a full three votes when hammering. That's all I'm saying, and that's all you need to know. No fish for you.
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Do confirm whether or not this ends the day. Unlynchable should be tested if possible anyways, but if this ability works as "if I reach the lynch threshold, I am not lynched" then it can also be used to test my ability (if your ability is actually just an increased lynch threshold, that may be testable too given the specifics of my ability; I'll check).
On the flip side, your stance regarding me earlier now makes *much* more sense.
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The vote itself reads null: that's a bog-standard bandwagon vote over on Scum, regardless of alignment.
The "something that could confirm DRey as scum" and refusal to elaborate could also come from town. I will not elaborate further at this time.
Arguing from the counterfactual. (That, and I'm pretty sure that at least one of KCC and Nis are town - if KCC is scum, I don't think she's bussing Nis here.)
I said *possible* meta catch for a reason; I won't take it for granted until I've had time to double-check for myself (on my near-future list).
(Note that Cyouni's playstyle here reads scummish to me anyways; the way he's playing is a common scum tactic on MS. But with site meta differences I need to check meta before I'm sure.)
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When I made that post the lynch threshold was 6 votes, FO had three votes, and I was expressing my support (effectively 4 votes). That's L-2, and that's claim threshold. Got a problem with that?
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Repeating the preferred candidate update so it gets noticed:
Current scum list: FO, {Nis/Cyouni/RobRoy} (last three in no particular order).
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
That was me saying that I found the timing to be suspicious. However, I had forgotten about your earlier comments/questions to him in 203. That basically removes any weight from my suspicion.
Fair enough. I just wasn't sure if I was being attacked for being me for for being kpain.
The fact that DRey doesn't have a random target ability was never the main reason behind my suspicion of him. It was a random extra bit that I threw in when desCoures asked for my opinion of his claim. The main reasons I have to vote him are a) a general "off" feeling from his posts; b) the fact that his first post of the game seemed to confuse him, and he posted about his confusion instead of clarifying with the mod; and c) the fact that he partially claimed, and now is trying to say that he fully claimed.
You have given support of DRey on point d), which was always extra. I'm not going to give him a pass because of that.
And I want to have some accountability when we lynch somebody. Between you throwing three votes around and others basing lynch decisions off random "suspicion lists", we seem to have gotten away from that.
While we wait, Taredas, can you vote me (or someone else)? It should do nothing, right? I just want to double check.
I want to hear desCoures's top 3.
No. The vote count will just get reset. You should all run me to L-3 and have Taredes confirm his Triple vote.
I actually want you to confirm my ability. That's why I claimed it now so that we have a chance of lynching someone else before the deadline.
And just to clarify, my ability isn't specifically an 'unlynchable' thing. If a certain condition is met, I am essentially unkillable for a limited time.
I can't have positive scum/town reads on all 11 other players, but I have 2 good scum reads (you and Asenion), 1 fairly good scum read in KCC, a good Town read on Drey, Che, and Nis. You on the other hand have done nothing but waffled on having any scum reads of any conviction whatsoever.
I have other role restrictions in place so that I would prefer to not have to do that. I will say that I also have another ability, but the restriction is so limiting that I doubt I'll ever be able to actually use it.
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Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
FYI - He confirmed this in the first vote count of the game
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Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
vote: Forgotten One. I think that puts me with Voxx, KCC, and Asenion, so you are at L-3 - at least, I assume the lynch threshold went back up to 7 with fadeblue around.
(7 to lynch)
Asenion - 1 (Forgotten One)
Nis - 1 (Cyouni)
DRey - 3 (AtheistGod, fadeblue, desCoures)
AtheistGod - 2 (Nis, DRey)
Forgotten One - 4 (Voxxicus, KittyCupCake, Asenion, RobRoy)
Not Voting: Taredas
Note: With fadeblue in, yes, the lynch threshold has returned to 7.
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
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I take it this vote count is correct?
Very well then.
Vote x3: Forgotten One
Mod: Vote Count please.
(If for some reason this doesn't work, we should run FO to actual L-1 and try again - given how my ability is worded, a lynch threshold increase ala Cyan's starting +2 lynch count in Goo would disrupt it.)
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
(7 to lynch)
Asenion - 1 (Forgotten One)
Nis - 1 (Cyouni)
DRey - 3 (AtheistGod, fadeblue, desCoures)
AtheistGod - 2 (Nis, DRey)
Forgotten One - 7 (Voxxicus, KittyCupCake, Asenion, RobRoy, Taredas)
As you all circle around Forgotten One, a figure appears from behind a pillar, dressed in what appears to be a black-and-red onesie.
"Greetings, mortals. I am Q," the figure says.
"Q who?" Voxxicus asks.
"I believe the term on the internet is actually QQ," Q answers, "but that's not important. I am here to guide you through the slaughter to come."
"Hang on, who said anything about slaughter?" Nis asks, warily.
"I did, just now," Q says, his arms crossed. "Now, who's the chosen victim - er, scum?" he asks. He lowers his arms, and produces from behind his back a wicked-looking machete. "Let he who is without towniness behold the might of my judgment-machete."
Several of you obediently grab Forgotten One by the arms and drag him before Q. Forgotten One looks up, defiantly. "I have done nothing! And I am confident your judgment-machete will have no eff-" His speech is cut short by Q stabbing him in the chest.
You release Forgotten One's arms, and he falls to the ground, gasping. Q frowns and removes his judgment-machete. "I have served your judgment, mortals. Now go back to your homes, and prepare-"
"Why do you have a judgment-machete anyway, Q? Aren't you supposed to be, like, a God-like figure who imparts unto the crew of the Enterprise, y'know, being-good-stuff?" KittyCupCake asks.
Q frowns. "This is a matter above your realm of comprehension, mortal. Now go-"
"Hang on a damn minute," Forgotten One says from the ground. He stands up, and pats his chest for a moment. It's good as new. "I'm still here, mate." You look at him, incredulously.
He turns to Q, and looks a little sheepish. "Got an extra shirt on you?"
Day continues. Votes have been reset.
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
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Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections