@Rob pardon me sir, but considering our lynch is already determined and there's no way for me to die toDay I will refrain from answering any question about my powers until toMorrow for town's sake. Considering F1 is scum I will just reveal I'm sure who I will target toNight and if I'm lucky (and not roleblocked) toMorrow we will have a scum in cyan.
Ok, I'm town, so I'm gonna claim to start discussion, first thing I want to say is that I'm a color, so the mod obviously got my role wrong, because from what I read we should be players from these forums, not colors and I'm a color. Now please don't lunch me. I'm also a goo, but I don't know the importance of that.
Now the first important question, how do all you guys being the "awful players pool"? I'm outraged myself because I should totally be playing with the best considering I'm so awesome.
First off, the flavour of the game had been posted in several places. Roles were inspired by games of the last 5 years, so DRey must have known that his role was from a Goo Mafia or something, and it isn't that much effort to go and locate it. So, DRey: why the confusion? Secondly, if you were confused, why did you just throw a partial claim out there, instead of, say, PMing the mod?
Also, can you point me to your most recent Day 1s as both scum and town? I'm inclined to vote for you, but want to check meta and get a response on the above points before risking that.
1) Given that you were confused about your role, and knowing that these roles were inspired by games of the last 5 years, why did you post about it instead of looking for the game that inspired your role?
2) Given that you started off "the mod done screwed up", why did you post instead of clarifying your role with the mod?
Your answers to these will not, in either case, give us any information about who you will target tonight. It's all you. And let me add in another:
3) Why have you been so reluctant to respond to my questions, despite me linking you to them multiple times?
Just saw twilight post. Posting this now, one more quick clarification on my Taredas post incoming.
Clarification on my Taredas post. I was heading in to a meeting when I posted that, so on reread I think I may have missed something. His 403 says, basically: "One of RR or DRey is scum. I think it's more likely to be RR, but I am willing to kill both to hit the scum." 426, then, he declares DRey to be likely town, which felt very weird to me, since neither DRey nor I had made a meaningful post in the meantime. However, I realized on reread that I had mentally glossed over the fact that this was one sentence and not two:
Asen being probably town, however, is informative - DRey is probably town as well.
Taredas, is this a link? Asen is likely town -> DRey is likely town? If so, please explain how. If not, I'm back to finding your abrupt turnaround on DRey very suspicious. Either way, I'd also like you to expand on your assertion that FO being a SK makes me "pretty much guaranteed scum".
1) Given that you were confused about your role, and knowing that these roles were inspired by games of the last 5 years, why did you post about it instead of looking for the game that inspired your role?
2) Given that you started off "the mod done screwed up", why did you post instead of clarifying your role with the mod?
Your answers to these will not, in either case, give us any information about who you will target tonight. It's all you. And let me add in another:
3) Why have you been so reluctant to respond to my questions, despite me linking you to them multiple times?
Just saw twilight post. Posting this now, one more quick clarification on my Taredas post incoming.
1)I was not confused, it was just a joke. Of course I knew Cyan was a player.
2)See above.
3)I'm not quite playing in the game right now, not because of you but because of my real-life issues. I've only skimmed the thread since I managed to avoid my lynch, sorry. Now that most of the stuff has been sorted out I will return to play toMorrow if I'm not dead of course.
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Rather than give Forgotten One a new shirt, Q leans down and starts throttling him. But Forgotten One is surprisingly quick, and manages to break Q's grasp and start dancing around.
"Blue as day, white as gin! You can't catch me - Rumpelstiltskin!" he shouts, laughing.
"Wait, gin isn't really white, is it?" desCoures says, scratching his chin. The rest of you pay no mind to such philosophical questions, however, grabbing steel poles, chains, and the occasional inflatable animal to try to catch and beat down Forgotten One.
"Yes it's true, it makes not much sense, but I must claim artistic license!" he cries, nimbly dodging swings. "Now don't be red with rage, good sirs, or you'll soon be as green as firs!"
"That doesn't make any sense, either! What the hell?" DRey shouts.
As Forgotten One skips merrily about, however, Q appears behind him, grasps him by the shoulders, and violently shakes. The fellow's weak neck proves no match for Q's godly strength, and you hear a wicked snap.
Forgotten One falls to the ground. He tips his head up slightly, and you think you can hear him murmur, "Ah! Slain! Yes, I am dyin', and what a shame it wasn't... Cyan..." And the figure goes silent.
Q walks up to him, and gives him a kick for good measure, then looks up at your shocked faces, weapons and inflatable toys still held aloft. He coughs quietly, and intones
Good night, good sir
Your work is done
I'm sad you will
Not see the sun
As it descends
Upon your frame
Which we will chuck
Into a flame
That will burn bright
Through all the night
As I watch each
Begin the fight
The town, the scum
Apart and each
Prepared to start
Upon the breach
To arms! To arms!
Begin the war
It's fin'ly time
To settle scores
But not Forgo'n
Not this dear One
We'll mourn him yet
Under the sun.
Forgotten One, Rumpelstiltskin - Neutral Chroma Killer, has been lynched for realsies.
It is now Night 1. Night will end on May 2nd at 8pm MST.
You awake from tortured dreams and return to the center of the town, prepared for more of Q's murderous poetry. When you get there, you're up one god-like figure reciting sonnets about gouging out eyes, and down one Brazilian.
Anxiously, you head over to DRey's house, but on the way there, you find an oozy cyan pile in the middle of the sidewalk. It's weird... but what's weirder is in the middle of it are DRey's shoes.
"Wait," Cyouni says, standing up right. "Let me see if I'm getting this right. DRey has a house?!"
"'Had,'" fadeblue corrects quietly.
"Well, I call his house! Dibs! Double dog dibs!" Cyouni shouts, triumphantly. He reaches into the cyan pile, grabs a gooey key, and runs off, pumping his fist as he goes.
"Should we -?" RobRoy asks nobody in particular.
"Nah," fadeblue replies. "Place is probably covered in goo anyway."
DRey, Cyan Goo - Town Goober, has been killed.
It is now Day 2. With ten alive, it is six to lynch.
Well Day 1 was pretty awful. We killed the low power Serial Killer, but lost the town Watcher.
Why do you consider that awful? Yes, we lost a power role, but we got rid of 1 scum, got plenty of analysis, and determined the alignment of a key player (DRey).
No one being sticky today means that either:
1) DRey did not target anyone
2) DRey was roleblocked
3) DRey successfully targeted someone but the goo disappears when DRey dies
Since DRey was town, the scum would have been concerned with gleaning as much information about how his role works so they would know how to deal with it at night. I'm re-reading the DRey interactions, but off the top of my head Cy and dC look suspicious.
If you are town-aligned and are responsible for that roleblock (flavor is rather unequivocal on that part) on me last night, claim it in your next post.
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In unrelated news, I'm 90% sure that our scum are three of the following five players: Nis, KCC, dC, RR, Cyouni (aka the "standing off to the side" group). Voxx is on balance unlikely - the JoaT claim and the RVS softclaim both look like they came from town. AG is likely scum if KCC is scum, otherwise probably town. I'm reserving judgment on Fade at this time - after rereading his slot overnight I want to see more out of him. Asen is very likely town.
But, there's a more important order of business. We are mass origin claiming today, for reasons I will explain later in the day. I'd say popcorn, but with the amount of inactivity we had yesterday just claim when you get to the thread. (Note that I'd strongly prefer that Asen and myself claim late.)
I went back to the check the start of this thread, and both Cyouni and desCoures's names are in cyan in the player list. I suppose Xyre isn't explicitly stating who's sticky and is just updating the first post.
I went back to the check the start of this thread, and both Cyouni and desCoures's names are in cyan in the player list. I suppose Xyre isn't explicitly stating who's sticky and is just updating the first post.
2 scum caught?
Maybe one, but not two - especially not when dC's been a notorious N1 kill magnet lately. Not given my understanding of DRey's claim.
Cyouni, however, probably needs to claim.
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Maybe one, but not two - especially not when dC's been a notorious N1 kill magnet lately. Not given my understanding of DRey's claim.
Cyouni, however, probably needs to claim.
Yeah, 2 may be too optimistic. I was previously operating under the assumption that the scum RBed DRey, and then I noticed the cyan names without thinking it through - i.e., that DRey may not have been RBed after all, especially since you are also claiming to have been RBed.
I'm going to use one of my 1-shots today - it's a day usage that has no real benefit other than to lock me into my claim, that I can tell. Since none of my other day shots (if I have any!) are things I wish to use today, I shall do this.
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Maybe one, but not two - especially not when dC's been a notorious N1 kill magnet lately. Not given my understanding of DRey's claim.
Cyouni, however, probably needs to claim.
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<- the emoticon signifies which one-shot I wish to use, on the quoted player beforehand.
Onto more relevant things - I agree that one of the two people listed is the scum that killed Drey.
The other is likely town.
I could see it being either, with FO flipping Neutral rather than Scum - dC's primary two targets were Drey and FO, with little pressure elsewhere.
Vote: Cyouni is my first choice of the two, as I feel that dC's pressure on FO felt more like town owning up to the lynch rather than scum trying to make it happen without committing to it.
Not sure if I think Faded is more likely town for pointing out the Cyan names, or more likely scum for trying to tie two people together.
I really disliked Che's early play, but I'm 95% sure I know whose gimmick that is now, and it moves it down a little closer to null.
Agree on Asenion firing today. Much prefer getting bodies that we want dead, dead early in the game rather than hoping he survives to LYLO.
I was hoping to attack the KCC/Nis/AG triangle of wtf-ery today, but the Drey death and coloration sidetracks that a bit I think.
I actually think AG feels the scummiest of the three - he has almost actively tried not to help progress the game in any way, shape, or form.
RobRoy/Kpaca slot is possible scum due to avoiding the FO wagon and tunneling into the powerful town watcher.
I'd go with the scum team being something like this:
Cyouni or dC (Cyouni more likely), RobRoy, AG/Nis/KCC - with KCC and AG possible with Town!Robroy.
Fade issss a possibility but not something I want to explore before dealing with the people mentioned.
Taredas/Asenion are pretty clear town.
Will look back over thread a bit more tomorrow, and look at some voting things in particular when I have more time.
Oh, so *THAT'S* your source game. No need to claim it early if we are mass origin claiming (much like Asen doesn't - some late stuff from FO makes me 99% sure I know Asen's source game as well). Color me surprised that I'm now wearing this avatar (unless, of course, you had a choice in the matter) - I expected something a little different.
(Also, irony is irony... but that has nothing to do with here and everything to do with one of my old games on 'Scum. Where did I put my Kamina glasses, I wonder?)
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The more I think about it, the more I want AG to post... and soon.
Note to self: One of RR's posts yesterday looks fishy as HELL right now for reasons I will explain in a bit.
Yeah, I could force you to wear any avatar I desired.
I was originally going to use that shot to have someone wear my own avatar as a means of confirmation - but ultimately decided that'd just get confusing.
Taredas, I can't Daykill right now. I also am not willing to claim my origin game at the moment because there are things the scum need to not find out about me.
About the two Cyan people:
#1 1 of them is almost certainly scum. I guess they made that sacrifice willingly in order to get DRey out of the game early.
#2 The other one is the person DRey wanted to protect. Dunno why he didn't target Taredas or something.
So I propose that we focus on those two until we can clear or condemn one of them.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
But, there's a more important order of business. We are mass origin claiming today, for reasons I will explain later in the day. I'd say popcorn, but with the amount of inactivity we had yesterday just claim when you get to the thread. (Note that I'd strongly prefer that Asen and myself claim late.)
Not sure if I think Faded is more likely town for pointing out the Cyan names, or more likely scum for trying to tie two people together.
I really disliked Che's early play, but I'm 95% sure I know whose gimmick that is now, and it moves it down a little closer to null.
...gimmick? Isn't Che supposed to be a MafiaScum player trying out games here?
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I suppose I owe DRey thanks and an apology.
Vote: Cyouni. Claim.
With DRey showing up town RobRoy in particular looks a lot worse. I also remember not liking his insinuations towards Taredas late in the day.
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Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
EBWODP: Meh, must have accidentally deleted that line.
Harry Potter Mafia.
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Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Oh, yeah this mystery should be relatively easy to solve based on who DRey thought was town out of the two of them. The one DRey like yesterDay is likely the town person. I can't be bothered to re-read until this weekend, but I'll figure it out eventually.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Oh, yeah this mystery should be relatively easy to solve based on who DRey thought was town out of the two of them. The one DRey like yesterDay is likely the town person. I can't be bothered to re-read until this weekend, but I'll figure it out eventually.
...question, Asenion. Could you have daykilled yesterday?
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Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
But, there's a more important order of business. We are mass origin claiming today, for reasons I will explain later in the day. I'd say popcorn, but with the amount of inactivity we had yesterday just claim when you get to the thread. (Note that I'd strongly prefer that Asen and myself claim late.)
RobRoy/Kpaca slot is possible scum due to avoiding the FO wagon and tunneling into the powerful town watcher.
If he'd have answered my questions the first three times I asked him to, I wouldn't have had to tunnel.
"Avoiding" is also a bad word for my interactions with the FO wagon. I didn't like the "pick three" method being used to choose a lynch target, and wanted people to be accountable for the lynch, whatever FO's alignment turned out to be. I did back off FO while planning to do a reread of him, but the claimed lynch protection and then the lying made that unnecessary.
With DRey showing up town RobRoy in particular looks a lot worse. I also remember not liking his insinuations towards Taredas late in the day.
Well, I don't like the fact that Taredas hasn't responded to them yet.
@Taredas: I posted questions to you in 449, and modified them in 453. I believe they boil down to:
1) Does the line that you posted "Asen being probably town, however, is informative - DRey is probably town as well." indicate a link? Were you basing DRey's townieness on Asen's? If so, please explain why. If not, please explain why you turned around on DRey.
2) Why do you believe that FO flipping neutral/SK makes me much more likely to be scum?
List of reads for you. Roughly organized by suspicion. I haven't done a significant amount of rereading, so I haven't provided specifics for many people.
Asenion - claim near the end of Day 1 and a general like. Townie.
AtheistGod - Unconcerned posting style feels natural to me. Townie.
fadeblue (r. Che Guevara) - gut read townie.
Voxxicus - posting here feels different than FHF, but I guess that would be true regardless of town/scum affiliation. Still have a good feeling. Mild townie read.
desCoures - mild townie read. Cannot remember why.
Cyouni - apparently targeted dC last night. Curious how that turns out. No strong read otherwise.
Nis - I had actually forgotten that Nis is in this game, which is strange given that he seems to have posted a lot. No read.
KittyCupCake - dislike that he started the FO wagon based on the suspicion lists. No feeling of trust.
Taredas - I have suspicions, but want to let him respond to them. Person of interest, mild scum read.
That reads list is a little on the underwhelming side.
The only read you're willing to qualify as scum is the proven triple-voting actor. Which could have ended the game on day two, if it's repeatable.
The role is hard to justify on scum, but I am still suspicious. It's possible that there's some OMGUS there from him attacking me, but I have some legitimate concerns that he is trying to ignore.
What do you think about the KCC/Nis interactions yesterday? Do you think they can be scum together? Who is more likely scum of the two? Why?
Umm... did you read what I posted in the post immediately before yours? I barely remember Nis as being in this game, so I can't remember any specifics of his interaction with KCC. I do not currently have an opinion on Nis. KCC I have a vague negative feeling about, and I put him below Nis on my list of reads because I feel worse about him.
I'm sorry, but what exactly made you believe me to be scum? The last I'd seen of you expressing suspicion of me was here, where you were promoting a dichotomy between me and DRey. Since then DRey has posted exactly once, dodging questions to him and piling on to the obvious lynch. Why are you so sure that I am scum and he is not?
Process of elimination plus behavior towards DRey; especially with a town read on AG, the game made NO SENSE if both DRey and yourself were town. (There's another reason, but that didn't apply at the time; I will explain once KCC has posted today.)
Why was I sure that DRey was town? Because his defense looked like his defense in Ataghan (where I lurked) once he actually started to care, and (more importantly) because the way he claimed made him obviously town.
Leaving that paragraph there since I'd originally typed it up, but I would like to change the thrust of my questioning. Please bear with me.
This is your opinion in post 403:
So, you start off by saying, not that I am scum, but that exactly one of DRey and I are scum. Then you talk your way into it being me, at least partly because DRey has claimed and I haven't, and then try to drum up support for me to be lynched 24 hours. You really think 24 hours is enough time for a lynch, including claim?
a) Nice misrep. "Talk my way into it being you" my foot. Try "DRey's claim was fairly obviously town, especially with the commentary re: the win condition"
b) I've derailed mislynches with less - for those that don't want to read the link, that's Medieval Mafia on Scum, where I managed to shift the D1 lynch off a mislynch in less than 24 hours WHILE V/LA. Admittedly, it's not a perfect parallel (that town was more active, and the D1 lynchee didn't get a chance to claim... due to a quickhammer by another townie ), but yes I *do* think that 24 hours is enough time to do a bandwagon right.
Then, in 426, after Asenion counterclaims FO, you say this:
I had a single post between 403 and 426, and it was a placeholder. DRey didn't post at all. Why did your opinion on him change? If you were this sure that I was scum, then why was he mentioned as a hammer target at all in 403?
a) Because Asenion counterclaiming FO knocked him into nigh-confirmed town, and I read that if Asen was town then DRey was likely town as well (and vice-versa).
b) Look at 403 again. I noted that I was willing to hammer DRey "if necessary" (i.e, if either there were no other viable lynch candidates at deadline or a majority of players decided that DRey was the lynch; I had called hammer, I was going to hammer). Implication 1: If it wasn't necessary, I wasn't going to hammer DRey. Implication 2: I thought that DRey was town.
Clarification on my Taredas post. I was heading in to a meeting when I posted that, so on reread I think I may have missed something. His 403 says, basically: "One of RR or DRey is scum. I think it's more likely to be RR, but I am willing to kill both to hit the scum." 426, then, he declares DRey to be likely town, which felt very weird to me, since neither DRey nor I had made a meaningful post in the meantime. However, I realized on reread that I had mentally glossed over the fact that this was one sentence and not two:
Taredas, is this a link? Asen is likely town -> DRey is likely town? If so, please explain how. If not, I'm back to finding your abrupt turnaround on DRey very suspicious. Either way, I'd also like you to expand on your assertion that FO being a SK makes me "pretty much guaranteed scum".
Asen-DRey can be summarized nicely by one of my posts D1:
I mean, for me the most important function of D1 is to metaphorically smash apart the playerbase with a strong case or two and see what the pieces look like so you can figure out who's scum given player flips. But that doesn't work when you're swinging into a blob because half of the other players are apathetic.
* - I'm pretty sure MTGS is less bandwagon-happy than MS is in general, but this game seems averse to bandwagons even by MTGS standards.
My smashing never really worked, but the DRey wagon proved most informative regardless.
As I see it, this game boils down to three groups:
Group 1: DRey, Asenion, me, fade (since replacing in; Che was in 3)
Group 2: You, KCC, Nis, dC, Cyouni
Group 3 (aka not really in a group): Voxx, AG, FO
Group 1 ignored the DRey wagon; most of Group 2 was on it or at least supportive. (Not all, though: Nis was on AG, and Cyouni was basically on no one. They're in Group 2 on wavelength.)
I'm not yet sure on fade being in Group 1; if there is scum in group 1, he's most likely (but that would be true by default from where I'm sitting). I don't have enough on Voxx to tell which group he's in yet (he's likely town regardless, given the way he's claimed); AG has lurked too much not to go in Group 3. FO, of course, was neutral (and I'll explain *that* once origin claim and followup are done), so him being in Group 3 makes perfect sense.
Obviously, not all of Group 2 are scum. But I think at least 2 of them are, especially since this game has daytalk and thus the wavelength tell (eerie general similarity of reads between players who can talk outside the thread) is in effect.
Flip, of course, went for Asen and DRey: If they were scum they were very, very likely to be scum together given general similarity of reads.
You being scum if FO flipped neutral is beyond anything else due to the composition of the DRey wagon (kpaca, dC, KCC, AG, Che, self); I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of these players are town (especially with FO flipping Neutral and a town read on Asen/Voxx and to a lesser extent fade).
Process of elimination plus behavior towards DRey; especially with a town read on AG, the game made NO SENSE if both DRey and yourself were town. (There's another reason, but that didn't apply at the time; I will explain once KCC has posted today.)
Well, you're either not as good at making sense of things as you think, or are lying. Sorry.
Why was I sure that DRey was town? Because his defense looked like his defense in Ataghan (where I lurked) once he actually started to care, and (more importantly) because the way he claimed made him obviously town.
Hmm. Thanks for saying this - I'll go and take a look at it to see if I feel better about you.
a) Nice misrep. "Talk my way into it being you" my foot. Try "DRey's claim was fairly obviously town, especially with the commentary re: the win condition"
I'm sorry, but if you're going to accuse me of a misrep, I'm just going to have to quote you again:
The more I think about it... DRey/RobRoy is probably a dichotomy. I'm having extreme trouble trying to think of a plausible scumgroup that doesn't have exactly one of them in it. (Three of KCC/Nis/dC/Cyouni, maybe... but I think that grouping has at most two scum, since KCC and Nis are unlikely to be buddies and I have trouble seeing dC as scum given Ataghan.)
Given DRey's claim, I'd rather lynch RR in a vacuum (irony of ironies... it's close to deadline D1, and... I want kpaca's slot lynched). I'll hammer DRey tomorrow if necessary, but 24 hours is enough time to run up a player who's more likely to be scum.
This is not a post that in any way indicates faith that DRey is townie. It indicates:
- that you believe exactly one of DRey and I are scum, the other being townie;
- that DRey's claim is a point in his favour, but that you are not averse to him being lynched;
- and that you believe I am more likely scum than DRey.
There is nothing in there that indicates that you, with any certainty, believe DRey to be "fairly obviously town". People don't offer to lynch those they consider fairly obviously townie.
b) Look at 403 again. I noted that I was willing to hammer DRey "if necessary" (i.e, if either there were no other viable lynch candidates at deadline or a majority of players decided that DRey was the lynch; I had called hammer, I was going to hammer). Implication 1: If it wasn't necessary, I wasn't going to hammer DRey. Implication 2: I thought that DRey was town.
Townies generally do not make plans that involved lynching those they think are obviously townie. They especially do not make plans that involve lynching those they think are obviously townie a full Day in advance.
Asen-DRey can be summarized nicely by one of my posts D1:
My smashing never really worked, but the DRey wagon proved most informative regardless.
As I see it, this game boils down to three groups:
Group 1: DRey, Asenion, me, fade (since replacing in; Che was in 3)
Group 2: You, KCC, Nis, dC, Cyouni
Group 3 (aka not really in a group): Voxx, AG, FO
Group 1 ignored the DRey wagon; most of Group 2 was on it or at least supportive. (Not all, though: Nis was on AG, and Cyouni was basically on no one. They're in Group 2 on wavelength.)
I'm not yet sure on fade being in Group 1; if there is scum in group 1, he's most likely (but that would be true by default from where I'm sitting). I don't have enough on Voxx to tell which group he's in yet (he's likely town regardless, given the way he's claimed); AG has lurked too much not to go in Group 3. FO, of course, was neutral (and I'll explain *that* once origin claim and followup are done), so him being in Group 3 makes perfect sense.
Obviously, not all of Group 2 are scum. But I think at least 2 of them are, especially since this game has daytalk and thus the wavelength tell (eerie general similarity of reads between players who can talk outside the thread) is in effect.
Flip, of course, went for Asen and DRey: If they were scum they were very, very likely to be scum together given general similarity of reads.
I would like to make sure I understand you correctly:
1) Asen's claim made you believe that he was townie.
2) Asen and DRey felt similar to you, so you also believed DRey was a townie.
3) Because DRey was a townie, those on his wagon were more likely to be scum.
But then the groups you list are only marginally connected to the DRey wagon - you use that as one factor, but they're really just a list of reads. Is that accurate?
You being scum if FO flipped neutral is beyond anything else due to the composition of the DRey wagon (kpaca, dC, KCC, AG, Che, self); I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of these players are town (especially with FO flipping Neutral and a town read on Asen/Voxx and to a lesser extent fade).
I agree that there is likely scum on the DRey wagon. But you are using PoE as if it were proof.
I was thinking that, if you were scum with a repeatable ability like that, we could be screwed as early as Day 2. One lynch, one mafia nightkill, and (say) one misvig, and now we have nine players. Lynch threshold is 5 players. You and two of your buddies could just quicklynch someone. Wash, rinse, repeat. Low probability, in retrospect, but that is why I posted what I did.
I am the great AtheistGod, hailing from Joss Whedon Mafia.
The top 3 scummiest players to me right now are Nis, KCC, Fadeblue. The Nis vs KCC debate about my day 1 post felt like scum on scum to me. Both of them felt far too convinced that the other was wrong without needing evidence. It felt like KCC being the one to argue for me was why Nis was so certain that he was correct. Both of them seemed to "know" that the other was wrong. KCC was already giving me scum vibes prior to this entire exchange.
Fadeblue replaced into a scummy slot and has added to the scumminess.
DRey looks scummiest to me. I don't like his claim either. It is confirmable but we won't know its effects. @DRey: What happens to players who are sticky?
Fadeblue's first post is working towards killing a claimed Power Role. He continues this pattern the rest of the day.
The only thing we can confirm about DRey's role is whether there are sticky people. We won't have any verification of what that means, whether he in fact is the one that caused it, whether his ability works as he says it does, whether that means he's town or not, etc. Even then, he can still claim being roleblocked or something if no one shows up sticky.
He has not claimed a confirmably town role. There is no reason to let him prove his role as confirmation of alignment. Now, we could let him attempt to prove his role as a means of gaining information, but this is not what you or anyone else is proposing.
At this point, we only have his posts and behavior to judge his alignment by.
I pointed this post out before, but fade seems deadset on keeping a Drey lynch open.
Hmm, I don't really like the claim, but this play does feel like town to me.
Okay, so let's assume Asen town and FO scum. This means that the scum team had an unlynchable role, which is very powerful. It would almost certainly be a one-shot only as well. In that scenario, I would expect FO's teammates to try harder to steer away from using it up on Day 1, unless they believed it would cement a townie claim.
Those on the FO wagon look much better as a result. The ones who look worse are those that defended FO or avoided the wagon, especially Che/fadeblue. Tar also says kpaca/RR looks worse (due to post #324, I assume).
There is also a possibility that FO is the neutral if we have one in this game, which means that a lot of the interaction analysis becomes null
FO now looks like the best lynch today. I still want RR to post before end of day though.
Ideally, I want everyone to post their thoughts. I don't like KCC rushing to end the day here.
I don't like the bolded sentences together. My immediate reaction to this post was "fade seems to have a reason for guessing FO is the neutral". he conviently brought up the possibility of a neutral at an odd time. The simplest explanation to me was that he knew FO wasn't scum. FO was lying at this point and was looking heavily to be scum, and fade calls neutral? After this post I was expecting FO to flip neutral, it seemed like fade was leaking out his additional knowledge. Note that he doesn't really explain why FO would be neutral, just tosses it out there.
I'm sorry, but if you're going to accuse me of a misrep, I'm just going to have to quote you again:
This is not a post that in any way indicates faith that DRey is townie. It indicates:
- that you believe exactly one of DRey and I are scum, the other being townie;
- that DRey's claim is a point in his favour, but that you are not averse to him being lynched;
- and that you believe I am more likely scum than DRey.
There is nothing in there that indicates that you, with any certainty, believe DRey to be "fairly obviously town". People don't offer to lynch those they consider fairly obviously townie.
Let me get this straight: you're saying that in your eyes, a townie should prefer a Day 1 No Lynch over lynching a player they think is town? I strongly disagree (barring mod confirmation of alignment, which DRey did not have), considering that a Day 1 No Lynch would result in a Day 2 with drastically reduced information.
See, I was willing to lynch DRey DESPITE THE TOWN READ under one of two circumstances:
1) If there were no other viable candidates at deadline, I would hammer DRey rather than allow a No Lynch. (That would be the "necessary" part of the "if necessary".)
2) If a majority of other players wanted DRey to be lynched, I would hammer DRey in order to prove that my triple vote still existed (after all, DRey would be lynched anyways).
Note that I pushed for a third wagon (you) in order to avoid this scenario.
Townies generally do not make plans that involved lynching those they think are obviously townie. They especially do not make plans that involve lynching those they think are obviously townie a full Day in advance.[/quote]
Wait, are you getting confused by "willing to lynch DRey tomorrow if necessary"? See, I didn't say that I was willing to hammer DRey D2 if necessary. I said that I was willing to hammer DRey "tomorrow" (aka Monday, April 29, the last day before deadline) if necessary, for reasons explained above.
I would like to make sure I understand you correctly:
1) Asen's claim made you believe that he was townie.
2) Asen and DRey felt similar to you, so you also believed DRey was a townie.
3) Because DRey was a townie, those on his wagon were more likely to be scum.
But then the groups you list are only marginally connected to the DRey wagon - you use that as one factor, but they're really just a list of reads. Is that accurate?
No. Groups =/= reads; groups refers to players with similar views on the game. It's most useful in games with daytalk, since daytalking scum often coordinate their views to a degree.
(Note: players in the groups have similar views, not identical; these are on a general level.)
I was thinking that, if you were scum with a repeatable ability like that, we could be screwed as early as Day 2. One lynch, one mafia nightkill, and (say) one misvig, and now we have nine players. Lynch threshold is 5 players. You and two of your buddies could just quicklynch someone. Wash, rinse, repeat. Low probability, in retrospect, but that is why I posted what I did.
Fadeblue's first post is working towards killing a claimed Power Role. He continues this pattern the rest of the day.
Yes, my initial read was that DRey looked most like scum, and his posts after that were not enough to dissuade me.
An interesting top 3 scumlist.
Simply "interesting"? Would you like to actually explain what you mean here?
I pointed this post out before, but fade seems deadset on keeping a Drey lynch open.
That post in particular was aimed at people who seemed to believe that having sticky people today would confirm DRey's alignment, when it actually wouldn't. All it would do, at most, is confirm DRey's ability. No one so far has explained why we should clear him as town if he could prove his ability. Of course, in hindsight, we know that he was actually town, but we didn't have the benefit of hindsight at that time.
I don't like the bolded sentences together. My immediate reaction to this post was "fade seems to have a reason for guessing FO is the neutral". he conviently brought up the possibility of a neutral at an odd time. The simplest explanation to me was that he knew FO wasn't scum. FO was lying at this point and was looking heavily to be scum, and fade calls neutral? After this post I was expecting FO to flip neutral, it seemed like fade was leaking out his additional knowledge. Note that he doesn't really explain why FO would be neutral, just tosses it out there.
The main reason I was in favor of the FO lynch at the end was because of Asen's claim. I didn't really see the case against FO (hence I disagree that he was "looking heavily to be scum"), so the other possibility was that FO was neutral. Note that I did account for the possibility of FO being scum in that same post.
Seems overly self conscious.
I replaced into a slot that everyone apparently felt was scummy.
Going to start catching up on playing focus tomorrow, now that there's nothing else to distract me - aside from Nis, (possibly) Asenion, and Taredas, I've been feeling remarkably disconnected.
I went back to the check the start of this thread, and both Cyouni and desCoures's names are in cyan in the player list. I suppose Xyre isn't explicitly stating who's sticky and is just updating the first post.
No one being sticky today means that either:
1) DRey did not target anyone
2) DRey was roleblocked
3) DRey successfully targeted someone but the goo disappears when DRey dies
Yeah, 2 may be too optimistic. I was previously operating under the assumption that the scum RBed DRey, and then I noticed the cyan names without thinking it through - i.e., that DRey may not have been RBed after all, especially since you are also claiming to have been RBed.
You gave these possibilities earlier:
Those possibilities don't just disappear.
Actually, #3 disappears because we already know that two people are cyan today.
As for the other two possibilities, maybe you'd like to explain why you're cyan now?
Where did the bolded occur?
Post 461, immediately after one of my posts that you quoted. Tar said:
If you are town-aligned and are responsible for that roleblock (flavor is rather unequivocal on that part) on me last night, claim it in your next post.
AG, your current thoughts on me please, with reasoning.
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I'll claim my own source game once KCC has done so.
(Note to self: Asen doesn't need to claim source, one of the possible sources - the less likely one to begin with - almost certainly isn't possible any more, so I'm 99.5% sure I know what his source is. From where I'm sitting, no point letting the scum know what's up.)
If you are town-aligned and are responsible for that roleblock (flavor is rather unequivocal on that part) on me last night, claim it in your next post.
-I was kinda hoping you would just accept and appreciate it, rather than asking me to claim it, but
We are mass origin claiming today, for reasons I will explain later in the day. I'd say popcorn, but with the amount of inactivity we had yesterday just claim when you get to the thread. (Note that I'd strongly prefer that Asen and myself claim late.)
Wait, are you getting confused by "willing to lynch DRey tomorrow if necessary"? See, I didn't say that I was willing to hammer DRey D2 if necessary. I said that I was willing to hammer DRey "tomorrow" (aka Monday, April 29, the last day before deadline) if necessary, for reasons explained above.
This is exactly what I was getting wrong. For some reason I read what you posted as "if I can't get people to lynch RR on Day 2, I'll settle for lynching DRey on Day 2." Looking back, that is obviously not what you meant, which dissipates a lot of my suspicion towards you.
I have to run, and will follow up later. I will say that my belief that Cyouni targeted dC was due to dC's accusation and not due to any in-game knowledge.
-I was kinda hoping you would just accept and appreciate it, rather than asking me to claim it, but
Like hell was I not going to ask for a claim, since I might get lucky and bait the Mafia Roleblocker (or a buddy running a gambit) into claiming... which I'm pretty sure I just did. (There *was* a player I could see potentially use such an ability on me even if he was Town; that player, however, was RobRoy, not you - after all, he expressed suspicion yesterday, you didn't.)
Well, Mafia Roleblocker isn't entirely correct, because what I got hit with *wasn't* a roleblock per se. It was a rolestop (i.e, renders the target temporarily vanilla) and also applies on the day after it is used. I know this, of course, because my triple vote is gone for the day... as is the Actor voting restriction (and the final, currently unimportant part of that ability).
This, of course, is why I was pushing for Asenion to fire today - given what I know, that ability can shut his daykill (and lynch prevention, but considering I'm nearly sure he's town that's not as much of a concern) down.
And color me VERY interested that it was specifically YOU who claimed the rolestop, considering the following two posts:
Taredas still feels like scum but I'll let him prove his ability twice. (can't let 1-shot abilities clear scum)
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Now this right here reads as scum. Starts out wishy-washy and then wants scum lists. This is scum trying to maneuver a different lynch.
DRey/Che interactions deserve being looked at if either flips scum.
Forgotten One is flailing, but it seems more like harassed town flailing than scum flailing. It reminds me of other day 1 town lynches.
What people need is force and with that, Vote: DRey
This post, of course, is the reason why I scratched AG from my town reads list. Why does AG specifically post about me proving my ability twice? Before now, I didn't see any scum reasoning for doing so. Now, however, I do... AG could *know* that a rolestopper exists (because said rolestopper is also on the scumteam) and thus be using this logic to keep me in play for later despite the proven triple vote.
This is true. And while I'd still like him to explain that, there is a far more important aspect to his Tar stance:
This looks like legitimate townie reasoning. Why would a scum care about forcing him to use it twice? -It's such a narrow, specific thing to ask for which really only makes sense from AG if he truly doubts Tar's claim and is looking for a path to confirmation.
Look carefully. Let's assume for a minute that KCC is town with an ability that rolestops. If she is... then why isn't she considering the possibility that AG is scum with a similar ability (or knows that another member of his scumteam has the same) and is planning to use this ability to throw mud at a townie after his team rolestops me N1?
KCC, I want a fullclaim and your reasons for targeting me.
Vote: KCC
(Yes, this will work - see, well, the reason I'm voting KCC.)
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Additional note: One reason for slowrolling was to see if anyone (especially RobRoy, AG, and/or fade, due to the twilight posts D1, the abovequoted post, and fade's request for a vote following the first FO hammer, respectively) pushed for me to prove my ability. Nobody did so... not sure what to make of this, though.
Had nobody claimed the rolestop, I would have HoS (x3)ed AG in my next post, to see if anyone would have reacted in such a way as to make it clear that they knew it wasn't available today. That's not possible now, so oh well.
(Not sure whether claiming before fade is the right move here, but I did promise to claim after KCC did.)
I'm keeping Asen's source quiet for now (even though I'm almost certain I know it), since he requested as such and it's not as important as the next part. (Asen: I *will* want you to answer the next part, it shouldn't reveal much about your role and could be very useful.)
I will reveal the next part of the plan once fade has claimed source.
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Cyouni, DO NOT CLAIM YET. You are in a potential counterclaim situation re: KCC (there is one decent reason I can think of for KCC targeting me last night... it assumes that KCC's ability has a second effect, and that second effect is almost certainly incompatible with one of the obvious reasons you would have targeted dC last night... you know, assuming that you *did* target him, which seems likely).
Cyan's Impossible Mafia. Yes, I am Cyan (the player, not the color).
I *wondered* if Cyan's Impossible was going to show up... and I'm guessing you saw exactly where I was going with this, because... part two of the claim, of course, is that I want every player to answer the following question: Are you Cyan (or cyan) in any way, shape, or form? I'll answer first, since there's no reason not to: I am not Cyan.
The colors may or may not be relevant, depending on the answers to this question. Note that I ONLY want you to claim whether you are cyan or not (this means you, Asen!).
As in, "see if my opinion of you improves". However...
This is exactly what I was getting wrong. For some reason I read what you posted as "if I can't get people to lynch RR on Day 2, I'll settle for lynching DRey on Day 2." Looking back, that is obviously not what you meant, which dissipates a lot of my suspicion towards you.
...that's a pretty egregious mistake.
I think I need to read that exchange between you and Taredas a bit more in-depth later this week.
I have to run, and will follow up later. I will say that my belief that Cyouni targeted dC was due to dC's accusation and not due to any in-game knowledge.
...no, I voted him because I didn't get any notification at all that anything happened to me last night.
Then again, I'd forgotten that DRey claimed he wasn't actually sticky himself. So I suppose it's possible Cyouni targeted me. I do have to wonder why that was your immediate conclusion, though.
@Taredas
As I said above, I need to read this whole exchange a bit more carefully later, but a couple of things:
My smashing never really worked, but the DRey wagon proved most informative regardless.
As I see it, this game boils down to three groups:
Group 1: DRey, Asenion, me, fade (since replacing in; Che was in 3)
Group 2: You, KCC, Nis, dC, Cyouni
Group 3 (aka not really in a group): Voxx, AG, FO
Group 1 ignored the DRey wagon; most of Group 2 was on it or at least supportive. (Not all, though: Nis was on AG, and Cyouni was basically on no one. They're in Group 2 on wavelength.)
Explain two things to me from here.
First of all - why is fadeblue in your Group 1 at all? Your definition of group 1 was 'ignoring the DRey wagon, but that's patently not what he was doing.
Secondly, explain to me why Nis especially is in your Group 2 on 'wavelength' - Nis, who as far as I can tell was under some level of suspicion and had reads differing greatly from the vast majority of 'Group 2'.
I *wondered* if Cyan's Impossible was going to show up... and I'm guessing you saw exactly where I was going with this, because... part two of the claim, of course, is that I want every player to answer the following question: Are you Cyan (or cyan) in any way, shape, or form? I'll answer first, since there's no reason not to: I am not Cyan.
The colors may or may not be relevant, depending on the answers to this question. Note that I ONLY want you to claim whether you are cyan or not (this means you, Asen!).
I see where you're going with this, but be careful with it - it's heading a bit into mod-gaming territory.
Going to start catching up on playing focus tomorrow, now that there's nothing else to distract me - aside from Nis, (possibly) Asenion, and Taredas, I've been feeling remarkably disconnected.
Source is Song of Ice and Fire Mafia.
I'm Voxxicus.
...you're going to need to explain this, because Voxxicus sure as heck isn't a name from Song of Ice and Fire.
You gave these possibilities earlier:Those possibilities don't just disappear.
Incorrect. DRey obviously targeted someone, namely me, because I sure as heck didn't target him or you last night. So basically all of those possibilities disappear.
I realize I basically have no idea who you consider scum at this point. I don't like that.
1) Deadline
2) That's why we made the lists in the first place 3) That was DRey's idea anyway
4) And I had even presented an F1 case earlier
...that bolded just sounds wrong. Like blatant passing the buck. In fact, I'm pretty certain 4 would have sufficed.
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Mmh. RobRoy and Cyouni are reading pretty dodgy to me right now, but I'll need to read RobRoy a bit more. Leaving my vote on Cyouni for now.
I also still want Asenion to answer my question as to whether he could daykill yesterday.
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
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I admit I thought initially that Drey was sticky last night - hence that one of Cyouni or dC had to have killed him.
But with that not the case, logic would dictate that Drey tried to target dC in the event that he was shot, given his propensity for N1 death rivals mine off-site.
So it's at least possible that, well. Both Cyouni and dC are both town, as the interaction was with dC, not with Drey.
That makes me much less interested in a Cyouni lynch... for now.
AG/KCC is certainly a thing of interest, given Taredas' claim.
Going to withhold judgement a bit until it's not 3:30 am and I've had sleep, though.
With regards to the mass-claim thing, I'm not Cyan - in fact, I'm not a player name at all...at least it's not a player name I recognize.
I have the same name as my inspiration did in Matrix, just different 1-shots. Which makes sense, given the inspiration was scum, and well. I'm not.
I'm just going to come back to this tomorrow after sleep. I'm sitting here and my brain is turning but no pictures are registering, so to speak. No worky.
Tar/Asen/dC are probablytowns. Nis is also probablytown, but more due to interactions with probablyscums than anything.
Which leaves: KCC/AG/RobRoy/Cyouni/Faded for presumably three scum to reside in.
Seems about right.
Firing kills/investigatives into that cluster would make me happy.
My role doesn't list a player with it. It just has the role name. I looked up my game and checked who had my role though, and it was not played by Cyan.
I'm being quiet about my role because I have more abilities and restrictions that need to be kept private. There's honestly no reason for anyone in the town to know anything about my role unless/until it becomes useful. (At which point I'll tell you.) I'll donate the Daykill to town vote when the time is right. On the upside, I apparently have the mod held hostage according to my flavor. So that's always a bonus. (Hey Xyre, you should tell me who the scum are if you want to eat tonight.)
Sorry for the low activity today guys, I've got a ton of tests and projects this week and finals next week.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I admit I thought initially that Drey was sticky last night - hence that one of Cyouni or dC had to have killed him.
That is still true. DRey was sticky and one of Cyouni or dC is his killer. Did I miss something that changed this? I've been paying low attention to this game lately.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Then again, I'd forgotten that DRey claimed he wasn't actually sticky himself. So I suppose it's possible Cyouni targeted me. I do have to wonder why that was your immediate conclusion, though.
I'll go back and re-read Drey's claim myself tomorrow. I'd just seen this and taken it at his word. Which might be silly, but whatever. Easy enough to go look at.
This is why I'd thought Cyouni targeted dC. I thought that DRey wasn't himself sticky, so the only cyan people would be whoever DRey targeted and anyone who targeted them. Apparently I've been getting some things wrong recently.
(7 to lynch)
Forgotten One - 7 (desCoures, DRey, Asenion, fadeblue, Taredas)
Voxxicus - 1 (Forgotten One)
Not Voting: AtheistGod, Cyouni, KittyCupCake, Nis, RobRoy, Voxxicus
Twilight. (For real this time.)
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...what? Did you even read my initial questions?
1) Given that you were confused about your role, and knowing that these roles were inspired by games of the last 5 years, why did you post about it instead of looking for the game that inspired your role?
2) Given that you started off "the mod done screwed up", why did you post instead of clarifying your role with the mod?
Your answers to these will not, in either case, give us any information about who you will target tonight. It's all you. And let me add in another:
3) Why have you been so reluctant to respond to my questions, despite me linking you to them multiple times?
Just saw twilight post. Posting this now, one more quick clarification on my Taredas post incoming.
Taredas, is this a link? Asen is likely town -> DRey is likely town? If so, please explain how. If not, I'm back to finding your abrupt turnaround on DRey very suspicious. Either way, I'd also like you to expand on your assertion that FO being a SK makes me "pretty much guaranteed scum".
You are so full of ****. I'm appalled that you were not lynched today. You are probably one of the worst scum players I have seen.
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1)I was not confused, it was just a joke. Of course I knew Cyan was a player.
2)See above.
3)I'm not quite playing in the game right now, not because of you but because of my real-life issues. I've only skimmed the thread since I managed to avoid my lynch, sorry. Now that most of the stuff has been sorted out I will return to play toMorrow if I'm not dead of course.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Or all the interactions and analysis borne off of that is pretty useless.
"Blue as day, white as gin! You can't catch me - Rumpelstiltskin!" he shouts, laughing.
"Wait, gin isn't really white, is it?" desCoures says, scratching his chin. The rest of you pay no mind to such philosophical questions, however, grabbing steel poles, chains, and the occasional inflatable animal to try to catch and beat down Forgotten One.
"Yes it's true, it makes not much sense, but I must claim artistic license!" he cries, nimbly dodging swings. "Now don't be red with rage, good sirs, or you'll soon be as green as firs!"
"That doesn't make any sense, either! What the hell?" DRey shouts.
As Forgotten One skips merrily about, however, Q appears behind him, grasps him by the shoulders, and violently shakes. The fellow's weak neck proves no match for Q's godly strength, and you hear a wicked snap.
Forgotten One falls to the ground. He tips his head up slightly, and you think you can hear him murmur, "Ah! Slain! Yes, I am dyin', and what a shame it wasn't... Cyan..." And the figure goes silent.
Q walks up to him, and gives him a kick for good measure, then looks up at your shocked faces, weapons and inflatable toys still held aloft. He coughs quietly, and intones
Your work is done
I'm sad you will
Not see the sun
As it descends
Upon your frame
Which we will chuck
Into a flame
That will burn bright
Through all the night
As I watch each
Begin the fight
The town, the scum
Apart and each
Prepared to start
Upon the breach
To arms! To arms!
Begin the war
It's fin'ly time
To settle scores
But not Forgo'n
Not this dear One
We'll mourn him yet
Under the sun.
Forgotten One, Rumpelstiltskin - Neutral Chroma Killer, has been lynched for realsies.
It is now Night 1. Night will end on May 2nd at 8pm MST.
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Anxiously, you head over to DRey's house, but on the way there, you find an oozy cyan pile in the middle of the sidewalk. It's weird... but what's weirder is in the middle of it are DRey's shoes.
"Wait," Cyouni says, standing up right. "Let me see if I'm getting this right. DRey has a house?!"
"'Had,'" fadeblue corrects quietly.
"Well, I call his house! Dibs! Double dog dibs!" Cyouni shouts, triumphantly. He reaches into the cyan pile, grabs a gooey key, and runs off, pumping his fist as he goes.
"Should we -?" RobRoy asks nobody in particular.
"Nah," fadeblue replies. "Place is probably covered in goo anyway."
DRey, Cyan Goo - Town Goober, has been killed.
It is now Day 2. With ten alive, it is six to lynch.
Deadline is set for May 16th at 10pm MST.
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Why do you consider that awful? Yes, we lost a power role, but we got rid of 1 scum, got plenty of analysis, and determined the alignment of a key player (DRey).
No one being sticky today means that either:
1) DRey did not target anyone
2) DRey was roleblocked
3) DRey successfully targeted someone but the goo disappears when DRey dies
Since DRey was town, the scum would have been concerned with gleaning as much information about how his role works so they would know how to deal with it at night. I'm re-reading the DRey interactions, but off the top of my head Cy and dC look suspicious.
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In unrelated news, I'm 90% sure that our scum are three of the following five players: Nis, KCC, dC, RR, Cyouni (aka the "standing off to the side" group). Voxx is on balance unlikely - the JoaT claim and the RVS softclaim both look like they came from town. AG is likely scum if KCC is scum, otherwise probably town. I'm reserving judgment on Fade at this time - after rereading his slot overnight I want to see more out of him. Asen is very likely town.
But, there's a more important order of business. We are mass origin claiming today, for reasons I will explain later in the day. I'd say popcorn, but with the amount of inactivity we had yesterday just claim when you get to the thread. (Note that I'd strongly prefer that Asen and myself claim late.)
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I went back to the check the start of this thread, and both Cyouni and desCoures's names are in cyan in the player list. I suppose Xyre isn't explicitly stating who's sticky and is just updating the first post.
2 scum caught?
Maybe one, but not two - especially not when dC's been a notorious N1 kill magnet lately. Not given my understanding of DRey's claim.
Cyouni, however, probably needs to claim.
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Addendum to above list: Scratch AG from the town list for reasons I will explain after everyone has checked in.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Trust me on this.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Yeah, 2 may be too optimistic. I was previously operating under the assumption that the scum RBed DRey, and then I noticed the cyan names without thinking it through - i.e., that DRey may not have been RBed after all, especially since you are also claiming to have been RBed.
I'm going to use one of my 1-shots today - it's a day usage that has no real benefit other than to lock me into my claim, that I can tell. Since none of my other day shots (if I have any!) are things I wish to use today, I shall do this.
<- the emoticon signifies which one-shot I wish to use, on the quoted player beforehand.
Onto more relevant things - I agree that one of the two people listed is the scum that killed Drey.
The other is likely town.
I could see it being either, with FO flipping Neutral rather than Scum - dC's primary two targets were Drey and FO, with little pressure elsewhere.
Vote: Cyouni is my first choice of the two, as I feel that dC's pressure on FO felt more like town owning up to the lynch rather than scum trying to make it happen without committing to it.
Not sure if I think Faded is more likely town for pointing out the Cyan names, or more likely scum for trying to tie two people together.
I really disliked Che's early play, but I'm 95% sure I know whose gimmick that is now, and it moves it down a little closer to null.
Agree on Asenion firing today. Much prefer getting bodies that we want dead, dead early in the game rather than hoping he survives to LYLO.
I was hoping to attack the KCC/Nis/AG triangle of wtf-ery today, but the Drey death and coloration sidetracks that a bit I think.
I actually think AG feels the scummiest of the three - he has almost actively tried not to help progress the game in any way, shape, or form.
RobRoy/Kpaca slot is possible scum due to avoiding the FO wagon and tunneling into the powerful town watcher.
I'd go with the scum team being something like this:
Cyouni or dC (Cyouni more likely), RobRoy, AG/Nis/KCC - with KCC and AG possible with Town!Robroy.
Fade issss a possibility but not something I want to explore before dealing with the people mentioned.
Taredas/Asenion are pretty clear town.
Will look back over thread a bit more tomorrow, and look at some voting things in particular when I have more time.
(Also, irony is irony... but that has nothing to do with here and everything to do with one of my old games on 'Scum. Where did I put my Kamina glasses, I wonder?)
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The more I think about it, the more I want AG to post... and soon.
Note to self: One of RR's posts yesterday looks fishy as HELL right now for reasons I will explain in a bit.
Still want that mass origin claim.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I was originally going to use that shot to have someone wear my own avatar as a means of confirmation - but ultimately decided that'd just get confusing.
So the three fingers of foam suspicion it is!
About the two Cyan people:
#1 1 of them is almost certainly scum. I guess they made that sacrifice willingly in order to get DRey out of the game early.
#2 The other one is the person DRey wanted to protect. Dunno why he didn't target Taredas or something.
So I propose that we focus on those two until we can clear or condemn one of them.
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@Taredas
Why today and not yesterday?
I don't particularly have a problem with this.
@Voxxicus
...gimmick? Isn't Che supposed to be a MafiaScum player trying out games here?
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I suppose I owe DRey thanks and an apology.
Vote: Cyouni. Claim.
With DRey showing up town RobRoy in particular looks a lot worse. I also remember not liking his insinuations towards Taredas late in the day.
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...question, Asenion. Could you have daykilled yesterday?
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Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
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Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Return to Amistaria here.
If he'd have answered my questions the first three times I asked him to, I wouldn't have had to tunnel.
"Avoiding" is also a bad word for my interactions with the FO wagon. I didn't like the "pick three" method being used to choose a lynch target, and wanted people to be accountable for the lynch, whatever FO's alignment turned out to be. I did back off FO while planning to do a reread of him, but the claimed lynch protection and then the lying made that unnecessary.
Well, I don't like the fact that Taredas hasn't responded to them yet.
@Taredas: I posted questions to you in 449, and modified them in 453. I believe they boil down to:
1) Does the line that you posted "Asen being probably town, however, is informative - DRey is probably town as well." indicate a link? Were you basing DRey's townieness on Asen's? If so, please explain why. If not, please explain why you turned around on DRey.
2) Why do you believe that FO flipping neutral/SK makes me much more likely to be scum?
Asenion - claim near the end of Day 1 and a general like. Townie.
AtheistGod - Unconcerned posting style feels natural to me. Townie.
fadeblue (r. Che Guevara) - gut read townie.
Voxxicus - posting here feels different than FHF, but I guess that would be true regardless of town/scum affiliation. Still have a good feeling. Mild townie read.
desCoures - mild townie read. Cannot remember why.
Cyouni - apparently targeted dC last night. Curious how that turns out. No strong read otherwise.
Nis - I had actually forgotten that Nis is in this game, which is strange given that he seems to have posted a lot. No read.
KittyCupCake - dislike that he started the FO wagon based on the suspicion lists. No feeling of trust.
Taredas - I have suspicions, but want to let him respond to them. Person of interest, mild scum read.
No, he's definitely a MTGS gimmick. I won't reveal who it is, but the playstyle should make it fairly obvious to people who have been around.
@Robroy
That reads list is a little on the underwhelming side.
The only read you're willing to qualify as scum is the proven triple-voting actor. Which could have ended the game on day two, if it's repeatable.
What do you think about the KCC/Nis interactions yesterday? Do you think they can be scum together? Who is more likely scum of the two? Why?
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The first rule of Cursecatcher is, You do not talk about Cursecatcher.
The role is hard to justify on scum, but I am still suspicious. It's possible that there's some OMGUS there from him attacking me, but I have some legitimate concerns that he is trying to ignore.
Umm... did you read what I posted in the post immediately before yours? I barely remember Nis as being in this game, so I can't remember any specifics of his interaction with KCC. I do not currently have an opinion on Nis. KCC I have a vague negative feeling about, and I put him below Nis on my list of reads because I feel worse about him.
Process of elimination plus behavior towards DRey; especially with a town read on AG, the game made NO SENSE if both DRey and yourself were town. (There's another reason, but that didn't apply at the time; I will explain once KCC has posted today.)
Why was I sure that DRey was town? Because his defense looked like his defense in Ataghan (where I lurked) once he actually started to care, and (more importantly) because the way he claimed made him obviously town.
a) Nice misrep. "Talk my way into it being you" my foot. Try "DRey's claim was fairly obviously town, especially with the commentary re: the win condition"
b) I've derailed mislynches with less - for those that don't want to read the link, that's Medieval Mafia on Scum, where I managed to shift the D1 lynch off a mislynch in less than 24 hours WHILE V/LA. Admittedly, it's not a perfect parallel (that town was more active, and the D1 lynchee didn't get a chance to claim... due to a quickhammer by another townie ), but yes I *do* think that 24 hours is enough time to do a bandwagon right.
a) Because Asenion counterclaiming FO knocked him into nigh-confirmed town, and I read that if Asen was town then DRey was likely town as well (and vice-versa).
b) Look at 403 again. I noted that I was willing to hammer DRey "if necessary" (i.e, if either there were no other viable lynch candidates at deadline or a majority of players decided that DRey was the lynch; I had called hammer, I was going to hammer). Implication 1: If it wasn't necessary, I wasn't going to hammer DRey. Implication 2: I thought that DRey was town.
Asen-DRey can be summarized nicely by one of my posts D1:
My smashing never really worked, but the DRey wagon proved most informative regardless.
As I see it, this game boils down to three groups:
Group 1: DRey, Asenion, me, fade (since replacing in; Che was in 3)
Group 2: You, KCC, Nis, dC, Cyouni
Group 3 (aka not really in a group): Voxx, AG, FO
Group 1 ignored the DRey wagon; most of Group 2 was on it or at least supportive. (Not all, though: Nis was on AG, and Cyouni was basically on no one. They're in Group 2 on wavelength.)
I'm not yet sure on fade being in Group 1; if there is scum in group 1, he's most likely (but that would be true by default from where I'm sitting). I don't have enough on Voxx to tell which group he's in yet (he's likely town regardless, given the way he's claimed); AG has lurked too much not to go in Group 3. FO, of course, was neutral (and I'll explain *that* once origin claim and followup are done), so him being in Group 3 makes perfect sense.
Obviously, not all of Group 2 are scum. But I think at least 2 of them are, especially since this game has daytalk and thus the wavelength tell (eerie general similarity of reads between players who can talk outside the thread) is in effect.
Flip, of course, went for Asen and DRey: If they were scum they were very, very likely to be scum together given general similarity of reads.
You being scum if FO flipped neutral is beyond anything else due to the composition of the DRey wagon (kpaca, dC, KCC, AG, Che, self); I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of these players are town (especially with FO flipping Neutral and a town read on Asen/Voxx and to a lesser extent fade).
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Also, RR, I want an explanation of the following:
How so?
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Well, you're either not as good at making sense of things as you think, or are lying. Sorry.
Hmm. Thanks for saying this - I'll go and take a look at it to see if I feel better about you.
I'm sorry, but if you're going to accuse me of a misrep, I'm just going to have to quote you again:
This is not a post that in any way indicates faith that DRey is townie. It indicates:
- that you believe exactly one of DRey and I are scum, the other being townie;
- that DRey's claim is a point in his favour, but that you are not averse to him being lynched;
- and that you believe I am more likely scum than DRey.
There is nothing in there that indicates that you, with any certainty, believe DRey to be "fairly obviously town". People don't offer to lynch those they consider fairly obviously townie.
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Townies generally do not make plans that involved lynching those they think are obviously townie. They especially do not make plans that involve lynching those they think are obviously townie a full Day in advance.
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I would like to make sure I understand you correctly:
1) Asen's claim made you believe that he was townie.
2) Asen and DRey felt similar to you, so you also believed DRey was a townie.
3) Because DRey was a townie, those on his wagon were more likely to be scum.
But then the groups you list are only marginally connected to the DRey wagon - you use that as one factor, but they're really just a list of reads. Is that accurate?
I agree that there is likely scum on the DRey wagon. But you are using PoE as if it were proof.
I was thinking that, if you were scum with a repeatable ability like that, we could be screwed as early as Day 2. One lynch, one mafia nightkill, and (say) one misvig, and now we have nine players. Lynch threshold is 5 players. You and two of your buddies could just quicklynch someone. Wash, rinse, repeat. Low probability, in retrospect, but that is why I posted what I did.
The top 3 scummiest players to me right now are Nis, KCC, Fadeblue. The Nis vs KCC debate about my day 1 post felt like scum on scum to me. Both of them felt far too convinced that the other was wrong without needing evidence. It felt like KCC being the one to argue for me was why Nis was so certain that he was correct. Both of them seemed to "know" that the other was wrong. KCC was already giving me scum vibes prior to this entire exchange.
Fadeblue replaced into a scummy slot and has added to the scumminess.
Fadeblue's first post is working towards killing a claimed Power Role. He continues this pattern the rest of the day.
An interesting top 3 scumlist.
I pointed this post out before, but fade seems deadset on keeping a Drey lynch open.
I don't like the bolded sentences together. My immediate reaction to this post was "fade seems to have a reason for guessing FO is the neutral". he conviently brought up the possibility of a neutral at an odd time. The simplest explanation to me was that he knew FO wasn't scum. FO was lying at this point and was looking heavily to be scum, and fade calls neutral? After this post I was expecting FO to flip neutral, it seemed like fade was leaking out his additional knowledge. Note that he doesn't really explain why FO would be neutral, just tosses it out there.
Seems overly self conscious.
Vote: fadeblue
Might as well smash in some minds.
Why "if I feel better about you"?
Let me get this straight: you're saying that in your eyes, a townie should prefer a Day 1 No Lynch over lynching a player they think is town? I strongly disagree (barring mod confirmation of alignment, which DRey did not have), considering that a Day 1 No Lynch would result in a Day 2 with drastically reduced information.
See, I was willing to lynch DRey DESPITE THE TOWN READ under one of two circumstances:
1) If there were no other viable candidates at deadline, I would hammer DRey rather than allow a No Lynch. (That would be the "necessary" part of the "if necessary".)
2) If a majority of other players wanted DRey to be lynched, I would hammer DRey in order to prove that my triple vote still existed (after all, DRey would be lynched anyways).
Note that I pushed for a third wagon (you) in order to avoid this scenario.
Townies generally do not make plans that involved lynching those they think are obviously townie. They especially do not make plans that involve lynching those they think are obviously townie a full Day in advance.[/quote]
Wait, are you getting confused by "willing to lynch DRey tomorrow if necessary"? See, I didn't say that I was willing to hammer DRey D2 if necessary. I said that I was willing to hammer DRey "tomorrow" (aka Monday, April 29, the last day before deadline) if necessary, for reasons explained above.
No. Groups =/= reads; groups refers to players with similar views on the game. It's most useful in games with daytalk, since daytalking scum often coordinate their views to a degree.
(Note: players in the groups have similar views, not identical; these are on a general level.)
No, it's not proof - but it's a strong indicator of who is scum and who isn't.
(Side note: I'm not as sure of you being scum now as I was during the twilight of D1, for reasons I will explain once everyone has checked in.)
Why the "low probability"?
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Yes, my initial read was that DRey looked most like scum, and his posts after that were not enough to dissuade me.
Simply "interesting"? Would you like to actually explain what you mean here?
That post in particular was aimed at people who seemed to believe that having sticky people today would confirm DRey's alignment, when it actually wouldn't. All it would do, at most, is confirm DRey's ability. No one so far has explained why we should clear him as town if he could prove his ability. Of course, in hindsight, we know that he was actually town, but we didn't have the benefit of hindsight at that time.
The main reason I was in favor of the FO lynch at the end was because of Asen's claim. I didn't really see the case against FO (hence I disagree that he was "looking heavily to be scum"), so the other possibility was that FO was neutral. Note that I did account for the possibility of FO being scum in that same post.
I replaced into a slot that everyone apparently felt was scummy.
Source is Song of Ice and Fire Mafia.
I'm Voxxicus.
You gave these possibilities earlier:
Those possibilities don't just disappear.
Where did the bolded occur?
Where'd you get this information?
Actually, #3 disappears because we already know that two people are cyan today.
As for the other two possibilities, maybe you'd like to explain why you're cyan now?
Post 461, immediately after one of my posts that you quoted. Tar said:
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I'll claim my own source game once KCC has done so.
(Note to self: Asen doesn't need to claim source, one of the possible sources - the less likely one to begin with - almost certainly isn't possible any more, so I'm 99.5% sure I know what his source is. From where I'm sitting, no point letting the scum know what's up.)
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
-I was kinda hoping you would just accept and appreciate it, rather than asking me to claim it, but
Doha.
1) Deadline
2) That's why we made the lists in the first place
3) That was DRey's idea anyway
4) And I had even presented an F1 case earlier
What? -Between you now being cyan and this bizarre claim, you are going to need to elaborate.
Vote Cyouni
As in, "see if my opinion of you improves". However...
This is exactly what I was getting wrong. For some reason I read what you posted as "if I can't get people to lynch RR on Day 2, I'll settle for lynching DRey on Day 2." Looking back, that is obviously not what you meant, which dissipates a lot of my suspicion towards you.
I have to run, and will follow up later. I will say that my belief that Cyouni targeted dC was due to dC's accusation and not due to any in-game knowledge.
Like hell was I not going to ask for a claim, since I might get lucky and bait the Mafia Roleblocker (or a buddy running a gambit) into claiming... which I'm pretty sure I just did. (There *was* a player I could see potentially use such an ability on me even if he was Town; that player, however, was RobRoy, not you - after all, he expressed suspicion yesterday, you didn't.)
Well, Mafia Roleblocker isn't entirely correct, because what I got hit with *wasn't* a roleblock per se. It was a rolestop (i.e, renders the target temporarily vanilla) and also applies on the day after it is used. I know this, of course, because my triple vote is gone for the day... as is the Actor voting restriction (and the final, currently unimportant part of that ability).
This, of course, is why I was pushing for Asenion to fire today - given what I know, that ability can shut his daykill (and lynch prevention, but considering I'm nearly sure he's town that's not as much of a concern) down.
And color me VERY interested that it was specifically YOU who claimed the rolestop, considering the following two posts:
This post, of course, is the reason why I scratched AG from my town reads list. Why does AG specifically post about me proving my ability twice? Before now, I didn't see any scum reasoning for doing so. Now, however, I do... AG could *know* that a rolestopper exists (because said rolestopper is also on the scumteam) and thus be using this logic to keep me in play for later despite the proven triple vote.
Now, observe KCC's own thoughts on this post:
Look carefully. Let's assume for a minute that KCC is town with an ability that rolestops. If she is... then why isn't she considering the possibility that AG is scum with a similar ability (or knows that another member of his scumteam has the same) and is planning to use this ability to throw mud at a townie after his team rolestops me N1?
KCC, I want a fullclaim and your reasons for targeting me.
Vote: KCC
(Yes, this will work - see, well, the reason I'm voting KCC.)
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Additional note: One reason for slowrolling was to see if anyone (especially RobRoy, AG, and/or fade, due to the twilight posts D1, the abovequoted post, and fade's request for a vote following the first FO hammer, respectively) pushed for me to prove my ability. Nobody did so... not sure what to make of this, though.
Had nobody claimed the rolestop, I would have HoS (x3)ed AG in my next post, to see if anyone would have reacted in such a way as to make it clear that they knew it wasn't available today. That's not possible now, so oh well.
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Source claims:
1) Asenion - [REDACTED] (presumed)
2) AtheistGod - Joss Whedon
3) Cyouni - SoIaF
4) desCoures - Harry Potter
5) Fadeblue - UNCLAIMED, please rectify immediately
6) KCC - Doha
7) Nis - VR Salvation
8) RobRoy - Return to Amistaria
9) Taredas - Hats
10) Voxx - Matrix 2.0 (this is not hard)
(Not sure whether claiming before fade is the right move here, but I did promise to claim after KCC did.)
I'm keeping Asen's source quiet for now (even though I'm almost certain I know it), since he requested as such and it's not as important as the next part. (Asen: I *will* want you to answer the next part, it shouldn't reveal much about your role and could be very useful.)
I will reveal the next part of the plan once fade has claimed source.
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Cyouni, DO NOT CLAIM YET. You are in a potential counterclaim situation re: KCC (there is one decent reason I can think of for KCC targeting me last night... it assumes that KCC's ability has a second effect, and that second effect is almost certainly incompatible with one of the obvious reasons you would have targeted dC last night... you know, assuming that you *did* target him, which seems likely).
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I *wondered* if Cyan's Impossible was going to show up... and I'm guessing you saw exactly where I was going with this, because... part two of the claim, of course, is that I want every player to answer the following question: Are you Cyan (or cyan) in any way, shape, or form? I'll answer first, since there's no reason not to: I am not Cyan.
4) desCoures (Harry Potter) - ???
6) KCC (Doha) - ???
7) Nis (VR Salvation) - ???
1) Asenion ([REDACTED]) - ???
2) AtheistGod (Joss Whedon) - ???
3) Cyouni (SoIaF) - ???
5) Fadeblue (Cyan's Impossible) - IS CYAN
8) RobRoy (Return to Amistaria) - ???
9) Taredas (Hats) - NOT CYAN
10) Voxx (Matrix 2.0) - ???
The colors may or may not be relevant, depending on the answers to this question. Note that I ONLY want you to claim whether you are cyan or not (this means you, Asen!).
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Mmh?
...that's a pretty egregious mistake.
I think I need to read that exchange between you and Taredas a bit more in-depth later this week.
...no, I voted him because I didn't get any notification at all that anything happened to me last night.
Then again, I'd forgotten that DRey claimed he wasn't actually sticky himself. So I suppose it's possible Cyouni targeted me. I do have to wonder why that was your immediate conclusion, though.
@Taredas
As I said above, I need to read this whole exchange a bit more carefully later, but a couple of things:
Explain two things to me from here.
First of all - why is fadeblue in your Group 1 at all? Your definition of group 1 was 'ignoring the DRey wagon, but that's patently not what he was doing.
Secondly, explain to me why Nis especially is in your Group 2 on 'wavelength' - Nis, who as far as I can tell was under some level of suspicion and had reads differing greatly from the vast majority of 'Group 2'.
I see where you're going with this, but be careful with it - it's heading a bit into mod-gaming territory.
That said, I'm not cyan. (Naturally, anyway.)
@Cyouni
...you're going to need to explain this, because Voxxicus sure as heck isn't a name from Song of Ice and Fire.
Incorrect. DRey obviously targeted someone, namely me, because I sure as heck didn't target him or you last night. So basically all of those possibilities disappear.
I realize I basically have no idea who you consider scum at this point. I don't like that.
@KittyCupCake
Heh. Nice to see.
...that bolded just sounds wrong. Like blatant passing the buck. In fact, I'm pretty certain 4 would have sufficed.
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Mmh. RobRoy and Cyouni are reading pretty dodgy to me right now, but I'll need to read RobRoy a bit more. Leaving my vote on Cyouni for now.
I also still want Asenion to answer my question as to whether he could daykill yesterday.
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I admit I thought initially that Drey was sticky last night - hence that one of Cyouni or dC had to have killed him.
But with that not the case, logic would dictate that Drey tried to target dC in the event that he was shot, given his propensity for N1 death rivals mine off-site.
So it's at least possible that, well. Both Cyouni and dC are both town, as the interaction was with dC, not with Drey.
That makes me much less interested in a Cyouni lynch... for now.
AG/KCC is certainly a thing of interest, given Taredas' claim.
Going to withhold judgement a bit until it's not 3:30 am and I've had sleep, though.
With regards to the mass-claim thing, I'm not Cyan - in fact, I'm not a player name at all...at least it's not a player name I recognize.
I have the same name as my inspiration did in Matrix, just different 1-shots. Which makes sense, given the inspiration was scum, and well. I'm not.
I'm just going to come back to this tomorrow after sleep. I'm sitting here and my brain is turning but no pictures are registering, so to speak. No worky.
Tar/Asen/dC are probablytowns. Nis is also probablytown, but more due to interactions with probablyscums than anything.
Which leaves: KCC/AG/RobRoy/Cyouni/Faded for presumably three scum to reside in.
Seems about right.
Firing kills/investigatives into that cluster would make me happy.
I'm being quiet about my role because I have more abilities and restrictions that need to be kept private. There's honestly no reason for anyone in the town to know anything about my role unless/until it becomes useful. (At which point I'll tell you.) I'll donate the Daykill to town vote when the time is right. On the upside, I apparently have the mod held hostage according to my flavor. So that's always a bonus. (Hey Xyre, you should tell me who the scum are if you want to eat tonight.)
Sorry for the low activity today guys, I've got a ton of tests and projects this week and finals next week.
My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
That is still true. DRey was sticky and one of Cyouni or dC is his killer. Did I miss something that changed this? I've been paying low attention to this game lately.
My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
I'll go back and re-read Drey's claim myself tomorrow. I'd just seen this and taken it at his word. Which might be silly, but whatever. Easy enough to go look at.
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This is why I'd thought Cyouni targeted dC. I thought that DRey wasn't himself sticky, so the only cyan people would be whoever DRey targeted and anyone who targeted them. Apparently I've been getting some things wrong recently.
What exactly does that bolded part mean? (And apologies if this was covered elsewhere, and it's something else I missed...)
I am not Cyan. Although I am interested in seeing where you're going with this.
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