Current reasons to suspect Asenion are his failure to counterclaim the VR source, the fact that he was slowrolling his role reveal, and, well, his entire last post, among others. He is starting to reek of desperation.
I've been reeking of desperation because I consider a Daykill close in value to a town Lynch. The current plan to eliminate me also involves making sure my Daykill can't fire later. This kills TWO town Lynches. From my perspective, the level of bad that is for our win condition is immense. I will do whatever I can to preserve at least one of the kills. (And an extra player scumhunting is a bonus.)
For the record Mr. Name-Cop, I didn't claim my name exactly as it reads. My name is longer than just Kim Jung-Il and Zombie is my creature type and not technically part of my name. If you need the exact role name as written let me know.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
@Asen: I'm curious. What exactly have you done in terms of scumhunting, would you say? Why would you argue that it's more of a contribution than using your ability to prove your alignment and eliminate a suspect?
@Nis: You should shoot already to prove your ability. I recognize that people are not in favor of shooting Cy based on my speculation - that's fine. I realize I may largely be fixated because of my Tar + Cy theory, which is not even close to proven.
I see other reasons to shoot Cyouni, including AG's point about when his claimed ability should have gone off in relation to DRey's.
RR is a reasonable target that should at least narrow down some possibilities, even though his reactions in the past few days read town (or at the very least, unsophisticated scum) to me. RR has also given his info on Voxx, which will be useful if RR flips town.
I dislike that you are advocating my being shot while also stating that you believe me to be town. Plus, ask yourself this: if I am town, what info will that actually give you? If I am as claimed (with no inside knowledge) then what can you actually determine about others?
Also: my info on Voxx is basically guaranteed true, regardless if you believe I am town!RR or scum!RR. If town, I am obv telling the truth. If scum, I will simply have arranged things so that I used my ability on someone who wasn't incriminated. (Or faked using the ability, if you think I am lying about that.) In other words, the only information you could gain would be about who I avoided using it on... and that only if I am scum, which you said right there you didn't believe. Either way, take my word for it: Voxx didn't use a night action on Night 1.
I've been reeking of desperation because I consider a Daykill close in value to a town Lynch. The current plan to eliminate me also involves making sure my Daykill can't fire later. This kills TWO town Lynches. From my perspective, the level of bad that is for our win condition is immense. I will do whatever I can to preserve at least one of the kills. (And an extra player scumhunting is a bonus.)
Uh huh. And how does you advocating that desCoures be shot change that dynamic?
For the record Mr. Name-Cop, I didn't claim my name exactly as it reads. My name is longer than just Kim Jung-Il and Zombie is my creature type and not technically part of my name. If you need the exact role name as written let me know.
Well, I no longer have my original ability, thanks to using my burnout, but there was some wiggle room in the name matching anyway. Oh, which reminds me: Voxx must actually be the Cheshire Cat, or else my ability would have failed. Just for the record.
@Asen: I'm curious. What exactly have you done in terms of scumhunting, would you say? Why would you argue that it's more of a contribution than using your ability to prove your alignment and eliminate a suspect?
You clearly missed the part where I can't fire my shot while I'm alive. I would have shot you in the face yesterday if I could have.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I am guaranteed to end-game unless something like KCC stops me. Also, the reason I won't Daykill yet is because it has a cost - it's a suicide Daykill. (Hence why I want to wait till later since I would rather keep scumhunting in the meantime.) I can guarantee myself making it to endgame and I can then Daykill and remove myself at the same time.
So why the hell didn't you also mention "The other reason why I won't daykill yet is because I can't?"
Also, you didn't respond to my other question. How does advocating that dC be shot affect you being roleblocked at all?
I really look forward to voting you. I wish the mod had provided a votecount when he checked in earlier, because I really want to vote you, but don't want to end the day by doing so.
Asen is almost certainly scum - behavior towards FO and Nis claims is horribly inconsistent, behavior towards Nis source claim doesn't make sense (especially after it finished - why would Asen go "hey, I guess Nis has the same source as me even though nobody else shares a source" rather than "I think Nis is lying about his source") even if I didn't suspect he was lying (until he claimed mod hostage, I thought either Ghost Town or Matrix [before Voxx claimed]; given mod hostage Blood Moon is a distinct possibility, especially since it's possible that Xyre's response to Asen was actually a post-through-the-mod ability). Oh, and he's pulling the classic "refuses to suicide upon town request" tell on roles that can suicide. Outstanding question is whether he's kill-immune scum with a suicide bomb or scum with a vengeful kill who doesn't reveal on death until the kill is used.
But who's scum with him?
Me? No (despite defending Asen until it was clear he was scum). But I'd say that either way, so make your own decision.
Nis? No provided that he proves his daykill.
Voxx? I doubt it - he claimed that his role was based on a Mafia source role early (doubt scum would be the first to claim that their role was based on a Mafia role). A bunch of those abilities look more likely town, too.
KCC? I doubt it - I've pushed twice, both responses look town, and she did actually claim the rolestop.
dC? Maybe. Weak abilities and second JoaT claim, and at this point I have no idea what to make of his play.
Cyouni? Maybe. I think he's the town in Cy/fade given behavior and claim, but I can't rule out that I'm wrong... and, unlike fade, he *is* sticky. If he is scum, partner is almost certainly RobRoy or AG (though from where everyone else is sitting I'll look like scum too). Though if he is scum... what did he target dC with last night? Because it probably wasn't a protective ability (unless dC is also scum...)
fade? Maybe (provided that Cyouni is town). Don't like the claim, don't like D1 play.
AG? Maybe, even likely - much more likely if Cyouni is town, given that he claims targeting dC and NOT BEING CYAN (I have my doubts). Oh, and a 1-shot bulletproof.
RobRoy? Maybe, even likely (provided that fade is town). Role name cop is null, burnout not that hard, but he did claim trackerish and DRey was a watcher.
Can we win this reasonably if Cyouni is town and Nis kills him? Let's see. In this case fade is probably scum... but I can't rule out AG being lying Cyan, and in that case fade could = town even with Cytown. Rest of the scum are probably in AG/dC. Hmm. If we can guarantee Asen doesn't fire as scum Vengeful it's distinctly possible.
Can we win this reasonably if Cyouni is scum? Not hard - that only leaves one scum to find, and that scum is basically in AG/RR* Taredas (so AG/RR from where I'm sitting). We should have at least one mislynch to spare if necessary.
Of course, if I'm wrong about KCC, Nis, or Voxx it's a moot point.
KCC, can you target dead players? More importantly, a hypothetical for Xyre re: your role - if there's a role that can still use abilities after death, can you block that role once it's dead?
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**** it, we need Nis to shoot SOMEONE, and at this point it looks like Cyouni is the only person we can get agreement on. Nis, just do it.
I need to answer fade/dC, but I may not have time for that before deadline.
Since Cyouni seems to be the overwhelming favorite, Modkill Cyouni.
I would have rather shot Asenion (as I think I've made that clear a few times) but his last post really makes me glad I didn't. I don't remember him claiming that he can shoot only while dead. If we lynch him today hopefully KCC can just deal with him.
-dC is the most likely scum just looking at roles and the safest to kill.
-fade and RobRoy are the most likely scum by behavior.
I don't really like shooting Cyouni because he is both Cyan, and had a potentially very powerful role. His behavior has been average, I rather expect a town flip here. Would help a great deal if we got scum on this though.
@Taredas: I die when killed. Like all dead players, I then become untargetable.
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-dC is the most likely scum just looking at roles and the safest to kill.
-fade and RobRoy are the most likely scum by behavior.
I don't really like shooting Cyouni because he is both Cyan, and had a potentially very powerful role. His behavior has been average, I rather expect a town flip here. Would help a great deal if we got scum on this though.
@Taredas: I die when killed. Like all dead players, I then become untargetable.
Oh really now? Isn't that exactly the opposite of what you claimed earlier?
KILL IT WITH FIRE.
Vote: Asenion, and if the vote count reset only occurs after the mod scene has posted I'll vote again then.
I can confirm that Voxxicus did no actions on Night 1. Darn.
@mod: is the death of a player considered an "extraordinary circumstance"? Will we get a deadline extension should a player be daykilled through the actions of another player?
First time I read this, I thought "jeez, RobRoy, you're taking this game a little too seriously."
Then I reread it and realized what you meant. Yes, you'd get a small extension if someone died right now.
Ugh. We completely don't have the time to figure out what happened with the daykill there (interference, Nis lying, something about cyouni, ect).
Vote RR
I still think him and Asen are scum. And I'd really rather not lynch Asen. -His play all day has been doing anything to avoid my rolestop and be lynched instead. I see no reason to give him what he wants.
Alternatively, if Nis isn't here in the next couple of hours to say something about what happened (or depending on what), I'd be willing to lynch him instead, as I really only had the claim in his favor.
Unvote, Vote Nis -I was being stupid. We need to solve the Nis/Asen dichotomy. I think lynching Asen Today is a bad idea regardless of his alignment, and Nis just failed his shot to confirm himself. So, Nis is the way to go.
RobRoy maybe, though that doesn't explain why Nis specifically came under fire for the kpaca remarks. One of Cyouni/fade still scum - with Nis specifically scum I'd lean Cyouni behaviorally because Che was so persistent re: Nis's early remarks and Cyouni wasn't (parking his vote for all of D1 looks more like distancing) but I still like his claim better and if he is scum, what did he target dC with? Because that wasn't a roleblock given dC claimed the Nis -1. AG no given that Nis pushed AG over DRey (unless that was bussing, but why bus then and there?)... wait, that looks HORRIBLE for Cyouni given DRey flip. Voxx still no for other reasons. KCC no given how hard she pushed Nis D1. dC maybe, not sure. Asen... probably not, I think town has one kill because 12 players... but that could be Setesh gambit*, never rule out Setesh, and his reaction re: Nis claim was bad.
* - aka counterclaiming your own scumbuddy for fun and profit.
Given Nis scum than partners very probably Cyouni and RobRoy, outside chance dC or fade.
If it was a Setesh Gambit we would have played it up instead of ignoring it. Obviously this is somewhat WIFOM, but I would have forced you to kill one of us on a Setesh Gambit instead of pressuring someone else instead after he claimed.
I want to see Nis flip, then I'll reread him over the Night.
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I don't think dC + Nis is likely, but if they are a team, it's possible that Nis was naturally -1 (or was -1 for some other reason) and dC was lying about the one-shot.
Well, that makes town Asenion much more likely. No matter how hard that might be to believe.
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Sorry, had a work deadline to meet, haven't been around.
Can vote Nis for the extra one just in case, sure.
Not sure I like this lynch, though. Especially given that we seem to have a variety of things that act in the day or can prevent day actions. Scum dayblocker or something would be ehhh.
But whatever, we have a deadline, and the only thing going for him 'was' the claim.
@KCC: I'm the one who made him -1, and given the way he complained about it I seriously doubt he had some way to null that. But Voxx has voted anyway, so that's a moot point.
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
@KCC: I'm the one who made him -1, and given the way he complained about it I seriously doubt he had some way to null that. But Voxx has voted anyway, so that's a moot point.
- Either Nis flips scum or Asen is scum
- Either Nis flips scum or Cyouni is probably scum given that the most likely way to stop a daykill would be a bulletproof shield (not 100% given possible dayblock but...)
- Very likely either Cyouni or fade is scum.
- ... wait, that means fade is town barring dayblocker, right?
- That would imply RR as third scum.
- But Cyouni and RR are likely to be the last two scum if Nis is scum. Does it make sense that they're scum either way? Actually... quite possibly.
- Either way, KCC ain't responsible for the Nis shot failing. Outside chance of KCC instead of RR, but the way she's played it makes me doubt.
- dC... not sure. Only plausible if Cyouni scum, but that seems increasingly likely. Not the most likely regardless.
IMO you should vote anyway. If you want to wait till near deadline so that hopefully your ability is proven, that's fine.
If Nis somehow flips Town, then fade should probably scan Cyouni. That's probably the most informative person to learn the role of. Alternately, I suppose I would be a Cop scan candidate on a Town flip since that would save a mislynch. But Cyouni is likely better.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I have no clue how we arrived here. Did Nis get so confused by Asenion's clumsy claiming that he thought he wouldn't need to prove his role? I wish Nis were around to explain what happened from his POV.
After a very long day of deliberation by the town and weapon-polishing by Q, the town settles on Nis and Q settles on a particularly sharp looking hacksaw.
"Wait, please! Don't do this! I'm beloved forum personality Justin Bieber! I mean Azrael!" Nis says.
"I hate Justin Bieber!" shouts KittyCupCake as she runs toward him.
"No, wait, I was lying! I'm really a twelve-year old girl and I can't use words! Uh, er, :rolleyes2::sweat: :rofl::uhh::rollout: :-/:eek::grin3: :teach:^_^:eek::rolleyes: :sick::xd::rolleyes2::sleeping: :rofl::uhh::rollout: :eek::teach:^_^ :sick::teach::rofl::rolleyes2::grin3::gonk: :sick::uhh::uhh: :xd::eek::teach::rolleyes:!" Nis says, backing into a corner.
"Aha! Fell right into my trap!" shouts Q. "You broke rule #6! Time to die, buddy!" He starts swinging the hacksaw and making unnerving wooka-wakka sounds.
"Okay, it's time for my daring escape! Go go invisible car!" Nis shouts as he jumps into the air, ass first. Unfortunately, it seems his invisible car deserted him in his time of need, as he lands in a pile of dust. He screams out. "Oh god, my tailbone!"
Unfortunate choice of last words, that.
Nis, Azrael - Mafia Townie/Evil Scum Mod, has been lynched.
It is now Night 2. Night will end at, say, 7am MST on May 21st.
I hope that I'm cleared at this point. I counter claimed someone who flipped Neutral and then had a failed counter claim against me from someone who flipped scum.
dC and Cyouni, did either of you stop the lynch last Night? Feel free to not answer if there is a reason to keep that a secret. (But if neither of you stopped it, is it a reasonable assumption that KCC targeted whoever was performing the Night Kill last Night?)
It turns out that the Cyanification was in fact for one phase only. Everyone is back to normal now. That's pretty sad, but it makes some sense. I think that's all of the Night reports. Feel free to add on if I missed something. Time to review and continue the scumhunting.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I hope that I'm cleared at this point. I counter claimed someone who flipped Neutral and then had a failed counter claim against me from someone who flipped scum.
dC and Cyouni, did either of you stop the lynch last Night? Feel free to not answer if there is a reason to keep that a secret. (But if neither of you stopped it, is it a reasonable assumption that KCC targeted whoever was performing the Night Kill last Night?)
He hit me, for the record. Apparently he didn't believe me when I declared myself to be vanilla. That actually makes me feel a little better about him, but I am still very confused on that matter.
Cyouni still is worthy of pursuit to me, for the timing of his cyaning as well as for other reasons.
- Oh hey, look what's back! (Barring Xyre being late with PMs.) Vote: Taredas for testing purposes only.
- The most important part of Nis's scum flip is that he attacked AG strongly during the DRey wagon D1, and specifically in such a way that I strongly doubt he was bussing a buddy. That, in turn, means that AG is probably town.
- KCC is almost certainly town given the focus on Nis D1 (that's very unlikely to be a bus).
- DRey is confirmed town by flip.
- That STRONGLY suggests Cyouni is, in fact, scum (rolestop + 1-shot bulletproof bodyguard + buffed Watcher + Cyouni's claimed 1-shot = imbalanced, one of those is not Town). Doubly so since Cyouni's behavior re: Nis D1 (parking his vote during the early Nis wagon and keeping it there but never strongly pushing Nis) is fairly typical for distancing scum.
- That would suggest fade town (but not 100%, it's technically possible for FO to start with two scum as targets).
- That, in turn, suggests RobRoy scum.
- Asen's not 100% confirmed (argument against possibility of Setesh yesterday was pure WIFOM, scum Asen might have counterclaimed Neutral), but he's more likely town than not and I still think a potential 1-shot town kill in a 12-player game is likely.
- Voxx still more likely town than not given timing of claiming mafia-inspired role and unlynchability shot. Not 100% because, well, Famous Historical Figures (plays high-risk WIFOM games as scum/SK).
- desCoures = I need to reread.
Given how much role information was outed late yesterday, it's massclaim time (or more accurately "finish massclaim" time): everybody with outstanding information drops it in their next post. PPE: With RR claiming the rolestop, nobody holds back information (otherwise KCC and AG would do so). Claim remaining when you get here. Possible exception: Voxx's hidden one-shot (not sure if it's best to hide that or get it out in the open).
Known information/claims:
1. Asenion - Kim-Jong Il (Creature Type: Zombie) - VR Salvation , Janitors on death, Vengeful kill (also reveals own alignment), no current targeting abilities?
2. AtheistGod - Captain Hammer - Joss Whedon , Bodyguard w/1-shot bulletproof (and post restriction?), targeted desCoures N1.
3. Cyouni - A Cyan Chamber Pot - ASoIaF, backup/1-shot "if target would be killed, instead blink (RFG one day/night cycle then return to game)"; used oneshot on desCoures N1
4. desCoures - ??? - Harry Potter, Night JoaT: -1 to lynch, grant post restriction, learn whether role name is in the game, ???; targeted Nis with -1 to lynch N1
5. fadeblue (r. Che Guevara) - Cyan - Cyan's Impossible, modified Cop usable only after a Townie is lynched. No target N1 due to ability not available.
6. KittyCupCake - French Delegate - Doha, Rolestop, targeted Taredas N1 and RobRoy? N2.
7. RobRoy (r. kpaca) - Miya, Azzyrian Tracker - Return to Amistarian, Role Name Cop, burnout" (Day) Track player for last three nights. Targeted Taredas N1, burned out on Voxxicus D2
8. Taredas - Tilde - Hats, Triple Voter with Actor restriction. Triple Vote disappears when 5 or fewer are still alive. Does not target.
9. Voxxicus - Cheshire Cat (confirmed by RobRoy) - Matrix 2.0, smilie-triggered Day JoaT: force target player to wear an avatar of your choice, another target player cannot be lynched today, only target player and yourself can be lynched today, ??? (claimed has potential to turn a loss into a win at endgame). No target D1, targeted Taredas with avatar force D2.
Dead:
FO - Rumplestiltskin - Tales of the Fantastic, Hitman (kill prevention, repeatable daykill usable only on players who post in red), lynched D1
DRey - Cyan Goo - Goo, modified Watcher, targeted desCoures? N1, died to Mafia kill N1.
Nis - Azrael - MTGS Redux 1? (VR Salvation also possible) - ??? - lynched D2
Just to clarify myself, I am vanilla till death. I then become an undead who is untargetable and has a suicide Daykill. Undead can't vote or be voted for.
@Taredas: Does your Actor restriction go away when your triple vote does?
@AthiestGod: I forgot about you, did you stop the Night Kill last Night?
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I've been reeking of desperation because I consider a Daykill close in value to a town Lynch. The current plan to eliminate me also involves making sure my Daykill can't fire later. This kills TWO town Lynches. From my perspective, the level of bad that is for our win condition is immense. I will do whatever I can to preserve at least one of the kills. (And an extra player scumhunting is a bonus.)
For the record Mr. Name-Cop, I didn't claim my name exactly as it reads. My name is longer than just Kim Jung-Il and Zombie is my creature type and not technically part of my name. If you need the exact role name as written let me know.
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I see other reasons to shoot Cyouni, including AG's point about when his claimed ability should have gone off in relation to DRey's.
I dislike that you are advocating my being shot while also stating that you believe me to be town. Plus, ask yourself this: if I am town, what info will that actually give you? If I am as claimed (with no inside knowledge) then what can you actually determine about others?
Also: my info on Voxx is basically guaranteed true, regardless if you believe I am town!RR or scum!RR. If town, I am obv telling the truth. If scum, I will simply have arranged things so that I used my ability on someone who wasn't incriminated. (Or faked using the ability, if you think I am lying about that.) In other words, the only information you could gain would be about who I avoided using it on... and that only if I am scum, which you said right there you didn't believe. Either way, take my word for it: Voxx didn't use a night action on Night 1.
Uh huh. And how does you advocating that desCoures be shot change that dynamic?
Well, I no longer have my original ability, thanks to using my burnout, but there was some wiggle room in the name matching anyway. Oh, which reminds me: Voxx must actually be the Cheshire Cat, or else my ability would have failed. Just for the record.
You clearly missed the part where I can't fire my shot while I'm alive. I would have shot you in the face yesterday if I could have.
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Wait, what? Did you actually claim this at some point?
I searched through your posts, and there is no indication that you can't fire while alive, only that you won't. For example, this:
So why the hell didn't you also mention "The other reason why I won't daykill yet is because I can't?"
Also, you didn't respond to my other question. How does advocating that dC be shot affect you being roleblocked at all?
I really look forward to voting you. I wish the mod had provided a votecount when he checked in earlier, because I really want to vote you, but don't want to end the day by doing so.
Asen is almost certainly scum - behavior towards FO and Nis claims is horribly inconsistent, behavior towards Nis source claim doesn't make sense (especially after it finished - why would Asen go "hey, I guess Nis has the same source as me even though nobody else shares a source" rather than "I think Nis is lying about his source") even if I didn't suspect he was lying (until he claimed mod hostage, I thought either Ghost Town or Matrix [before Voxx claimed]; given mod hostage Blood Moon is a distinct possibility, especially since it's possible that Xyre's response to Asen was actually a post-through-the-mod ability). Oh, and he's pulling the classic "refuses to suicide upon town request" tell on roles that can suicide. Outstanding question is whether he's kill-immune scum with a suicide bomb or scum with a vengeful kill who doesn't reveal on death until the kill is used.
But who's scum with him?
Me? No (despite defending Asen until it was clear he was scum). But I'd say that either way, so make your own decision.
Nis? No provided that he proves his daykill.
Voxx? I doubt it - he claimed that his role was based on a Mafia source role early (doubt scum would be the first to claim that their role was based on a Mafia role). A bunch of those abilities look more likely town, too.
KCC? I doubt it - I've pushed twice, both responses look town, and she did actually claim the rolestop.
dC? Maybe. Weak abilities and second JoaT claim, and at this point I have no idea what to make of his play.
Cyouni? Maybe. I think he's the town in Cy/fade given behavior and claim, but I can't rule out that I'm wrong... and, unlike fade, he *is* sticky. If he is scum, partner is almost certainly RobRoy or AG (though from where everyone else is sitting I'll look like scum too). Though if he is scum... what did he target dC with last night? Because it probably wasn't a protective ability (unless dC is also scum...)
fade? Maybe (provided that Cyouni is town). Don't like the claim, don't like D1 play.
AG? Maybe, even likely - much more likely if Cyouni is town, given that he claims targeting dC and NOT BEING CYAN (I have my doubts). Oh, and a 1-shot bulletproof.
RobRoy? Maybe, even likely (provided that fade is town). Role name cop is null, burnout not that hard, but he did claim trackerish and DRey was a watcher.
Can we win this reasonably if Cyouni is town and Nis kills him? Let's see. In this case fade is probably scum... but I can't rule out AG being lying Cyan, and in that case fade could = town even with Cytown. Rest of the scum are probably in AG/dC. Hmm. If we can guarantee Asen doesn't fire as scum Vengeful it's distinctly possible.
Can we win this reasonably if Cyouni is scum? Not hard - that only leaves one scum to find, and that scum is basically in AG/RR* Taredas (so AG/RR from where I'm sitting). We should have at least one mislynch to spare if necessary.
Of course, if I'm wrong about KCC, Nis, or Voxx it's a moot point.
KCC, can you target dead players? More importantly, a hypothetical for Xyre re: your role - if there's a role that can still use abilities after death, can you block that role once it's dead?
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**** it, we need Nis to shoot SOMEONE, and at this point it looks like Cyouni is the only person we can get agreement on. Nis, just do it.
I need to answer fade/dC, but I may not have time for that before deadline.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
You might be telling the truth about this, but this still doesn't change the fact that you're scum.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I would have rather shot Asenion (as I think I've made that clear a few times) but his last post really makes me glad I didn't. I don't remember him claiming that he can shoot only while dead. If we lynch him today hopefully KCC can just deal with him.
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-dC is the most likely scum just looking at roles and the safest to kill.
-fade and RobRoy are the most likely scum by behavior.
I don't really like shooting Cyouni because he is both Cyan, and had a potentially very powerful role. His behavior has been average, I rather expect a town flip here. Would help a great deal if we got scum on this though.
@Taredas: I die when killed. Like all dead players, I then become untargetable.
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Especially when Asenion's been parading his kill around the whole day (and yesterday) and only now says that he can only use it when dead?
Please lynch Asenion after.
We are definitely lynching Asenion next. Now that Nis has fired:
vote: Asenion.
Oh really now? Isn't that exactly the opposite of what you claimed earlier?
KILL IT WITH FIRE.
Vote: Asenion, and if the vote count reset only occurs after the mod scene has posted I'll vote again then.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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First time I read this, I thought "jeez, RobRoy, you're taking this game a little too seriously."
Then I reread it and realized what you meant. Yes, you'd get a small extension if someone died right now.
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(6 to vote)
Cyouni - 1 (fadeblue)
RobRoy - 1 (Voxxicus)
Asenion - 5 (Nis, Taredas, desCoures, Asenion, RobRoy)
Nis - 1 (Cyouni)
Not Voting: AtheistGod, KittyCupCake
I believe the above is right.
6 hours left.
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Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Vote RR
I still think him and Asen are scum. And I'd really rather not lynch Asen. -His play all day has been doing anything to avoid my rolestop and be lynched instead. I see no reason to give him what he wants.
Alternatively, if Nis isn't here in the next couple of hours to say something about what happened (or depending on what), I'd be willing to lynch him instead, as I really only had the claim in his favor.
Vote Nis
Moving my vote from Nis was dependent on him proving his Daykill. He has failed to do that. Incidentally, I'm also no longer counter claimed.
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You are still source-game CCing each other.
Explains why Nis was slowrolling, though.
Unvote, Vote: Nis (unless he has one hell of an explanation, he's dead)
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
RobRoy maybe, though that doesn't explain why Nis specifically came under fire for the kpaca remarks. One of Cyouni/fade still scum - with Nis specifically scum I'd lean Cyouni behaviorally because Che was so persistent re: Nis's early remarks and Cyouni wasn't (parking his vote for all of D1 looks more like distancing) but I still like his claim better and if he is scum, what did he target dC with? Because that wasn't a roleblock given dC claimed the Nis -1. AG no given that Nis pushed AG over DRey (unless that was bussing, but why bus then and there?)... wait, that looks HORRIBLE for Cyouni given DRey flip. Voxx still no for other reasons. KCC no given how hard she pushed Nis D1. dC maybe, not sure. Asen... probably not, I think town has one kill because 12 players... but that could be Setesh gambit*, never rule out Setesh, and his reaction re: Nis claim was bad.
* - aka counterclaiming your own scumbuddy for fun and profit.
Given Nis scum than partners very probably Cyouni and RobRoy, outside chance dC or fade.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
I want to see Nis flip, then I'll reread him over the Night.
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Of course, it occurs to me that if Nis and dC are lying about the -1... but if that's the case we'll have them both on a platter, so eh.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Unvote, Vote Nis
Maybe someone else can vote as well to ensure he's lynched in the case that the -1 was a lie?
Well, that makes town Asenion much more likely. No matter how hard that might be to believe.
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Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Can vote Nis for the extra one just in case, sure.
Not sure I like this lynch, though. Especially given that we seem to have a variety of things that act in the day or can prevent day actions. Scum dayblocker or something would be ehhh.
But whatever, we have a deadline, and the only thing going for him 'was' the claim.
Vote: Nis
@Voxx: I'm not 100% on Nis being scum either, but if he does flip Town, we still have Asen caught.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I just wanted everything covered.
- Either Nis flips scum or Asen is scum
- Either Nis flips scum or Cyouni is probably scum given that the most likely way to stop a daykill would be a bulletproof shield (not 100% given possible dayblock but...)
- Very likely either Cyouni or fade is scum.
- ... wait, that means fade is town barring dayblocker, right?
- That would imply RR as third scum.
- But Cyouni and RR are likely to be the last two scum if Nis is scum. Does it make sense that they're scum either way? Actually... quite possibly.
- Either way, KCC ain't responsible for the Nis shot failing. Outside chance of KCC instead of RR, but the way she's played it makes me doubt.
- dC... not sure. Only plausible if Cyouni scum, but that seems increasingly likely. Not the most likely regardless.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
If Nis somehow flips Town, then fade should probably scan Cyouni. That's probably the most informative person to learn the role of. Alternately, I suppose I would be a Cop scan candidate on a Town flip since that would save a mislynch. But Cyouni is likely better.
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I have no clue how we arrived here. Did Nis get so confused by Asenion's clumsy claiming that he thought he wouldn't need to prove his role? I wish Nis were around to explain what happened from his POV.
(6 to vote)
RobRoy - 1 (Voxxicus)
Asenion - 3 (Nis, desCoures, RobRoy)
Nis - 5 (Cyouni, Asenion, KittyCupCake, Taredas, fadeblue)
Not Voting: AtheistGod, KittyCupCake
That's a lynch.
Twilight.
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"Wait, please! Don't do this! I'm beloved forum personality Justin Bieber! I mean Azrael!" Nis says.
"I hate Justin Bieber!" shouts KittyCupCake as she runs toward him.
"No, wait, I was lying! I'm really a twelve-year old girl and I can't use words! Uh, er, :rolleyes2::sweat: :rofl::uhh::rollout: :-/:eek::grin3: :teach:^_^:eek::rolleyes: :sick::xd::rolleyes2::sleeping: :rofl::uhh::rollout: :eek::teach:^_^ :sick::teach::rofl::rolleyes2::grin3::gonk: :sick::uhh::uhh: :xd::eek::teach::rolleyes:!" Nis says, backing into a corner.
"Aha! Fell right into my trap!" shouts Q. "You broke rule #6! Time to die, buddy!" He starts swinging the hacksaw and making unnerving wooka-wakka sounds.
"Okay, it's time for my daring escape! Go go invisible car!" Nis shouts as he jumps into the air, ass first. Unfortunately, it seems his invisible car deserted him in his time of need, as he lands in a pile of dust. He screams out. "Oh god, my tailbone!"
Unfortunate choice of last words, that.
Nis, Azrael - Mafia Townie/Evil Scum Mod, has been lynched.
It is now Night 2. Night will end at, say, 7am MST on May 21st.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
Day 3 has begun. With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
Deadline is set for June 5th at 11am MST.
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Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
dC and Cyouni, did either of you stop the lynch last Night? Feel free to not answer if there is a reason to keep that a secret. (But if neither of you stopped it, is it a reasonable assumption that KCC targeted whoever was performing the Night Kill last Night?)
It turns out that the Cyanification was in fact for one phase only. Everyone is back to normal now. That's pretty sad, but it makes some sense. I think that's all of the Night reports. Feel free to add on if I missed something. Time to review and continue the scumhunting.
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Sounds reasonable to me.
He hit me, for the record. Apparently he didn't believe me when I declared myself to be vanilla. That actually makes me feel a little better about him, but I am still very confused on that matter.
Cyouni still is worthy of pursuit to me, for the timing of his cyaning as well as for other reasons.
- Oh hey, look what's back! (Barring Xyre being late with PMs.) Vote: Taredas for testing purposes only.
- The most important part of Nis's scum flip is that he attacked AG strongly during the DRey wagon D1, and specifically in such a way that I strongly doubt he was bussing a buddy. That, in turn, means that AG is probably town.
- KCC is almost certainly town given the focus on Nis D1 (that's very unlikely to be a bus).
- DRey is confirmed town by flip.
- That STRONGLY suggests Cyouni is, in fact, scum (rolestop + 1-shot bulletproof bodyguard + buffed Watcher + Cyouni's claimed 1-shot = imbalanced, one of those is not Town). Doubly so since Cyouni's behavior re: Nis D1 (parking his vote during the early Nis wagon and keeping it there but never strongly pushing Nis) is fairly typical for distancing scum.
- That would suggest fade town (but not 100%, it's technically possible for FO to start with two scum as targets).
- That, in turn, suggests RobRoy scum.
- Asen's not 100% confirmed (argument against possibility of Setesh yesterday was pure WIFOM, scum Asen might have counterclaimed Neutral), but he's more likely town than not and I still think a potential 1-shot town kill in a 12-player game is likely.
- Voxx still more likely town than not given timing of claiming mafia-inspired role and unlynchability shot. Not 100% because, well, Famous Historical Figures (plays high-risk WIFOM games as scum/SK).
- desCoures = I need to reread.
Given how much role information was outed late yesterday, it's massclaim time (or more accurately "finish massclaim" time): everybody with outstanding information drops it in their next post. PPE: With RR claiming the rolestop, nobody holds back information (otherwise KCC and AG would do so). Claim remaining when you get here. Possible exception: Voxx's hidden one-shot (not sure if it's best to hide that or get it out in the open).
Known information/claims:
1. Asenion - Kim-Jong Il (Creature Type: Zombie) - VR Salvation , Janitors on death, Vengeful kill (also reveals own alignment), no current targeting abilities?
2. AtheistGod - Captain Hammer - Joss Whedon , Bodyguard w/1-shot bulletproof (and post restriction?), targeted desCoures N1.
3. Cyouni - A Cyan Chamber Pot - ASoIaF, backup/1-shot "if target would be killed, instead blink (RFG one day/night cycle then return to game)"; used oneshot on desCoures N1
4. desCoures - ??? - Harry Potter, Night JoaT: -1 to lynch, grant post restriction, learn whether role name is in the game, ???; targeted Nis with -1 to lynch N1
5. fadeblue (r. Che Guevara) - Cyan - Cyan's Impossible, modified Cop usable only after a Townie is lynched. No target N1 due to ability not available.
6. KittyCupCake - French Delegate - Doha, Rolestop, targeted Taredas N1 and RobRoy? N2.
7. RobRoy (r. kpaca) - Miya, Azzyrian Tracker - Return to Amistarian, Role Name Cop, burnout" (Day) Track player for last three nights. Targeted Taredas N1, burned out on Voxxicus D2
8. Taredas - Tilde - Hats, Triple Voter with Actor restriction. Triple Vote disappears when 5 or fewer are still alive. Does not target.
9. Voxxicus - Cheshire Cat (confirmed by RobRoy) - Matrix 2.0, smilie-triggered Day JoaT: force target player to wear an avatar of your choice, another target player cannot be lynched today, only target player and yourself can be lynched today, ??? (claimed has potential to turn a loss into a win at endgame). No target D1, targeted Taredas with avatar force D2.
Dead:
FO - Rumplestiltskin - Tales of the Fantastic, Hitman (kill prevention, repeatable daykill usable only on players who post in red), lynched D1
DRey - Cyan Goo - Goo, modified Watcher, targeted desCoures? N1, died to Mafia kill N1.
Nis - Azrael - MTGS Redux 1? (VR Salvation also possible) - ??? - lynched D2
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
@Taredas: Does your Actor restriction go away when your triple vote does?
@AthiestGod: I forgot about you, did you stop the Night Kill last Night?
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