I am really getting lost here and I'm starting worry.
You're right DCIII that votecount 4.9 suggest highly that at least one of AE/TMCT is scum. I'm not proposing a probable scum team without one of these two names. In fact Void/TMCT/AE is probably the second most likely scum team behind Void/Nny/TMCT.
Considering the possibility that only one of {Nny, AE, TMCT} is scum I don't believe that Rhand/AE/Void is the most likely team. In fact I would say out of {DCIII, shockwave, Rhand} you're possibly the most likely scum at this point.
If TMCT flips town toDay we can discuss what's next toMorrow. His play toDay has thrown more red flags than AE's and your recent posts are making me paranoid.
I haven't read everything but i see the wagon shifted to ae.
Remember that we can't use Nny's result to help poe toMorrow if we get a town flip now.
We should lynch the biggest chance of scum out of ae and tmct, being tmct.
You keep making me worried. Why wouldn't you read everything at this point in the game? This reads to me like you're trying to very subtly shift the vote back to TMCT without saying so. Also, you were pretty adamant that Nny's role couldn't exist with Kraj's so why are you now championing using his result to try to influence the vote now?
I'm starting to very seriously think that my Rhand concerns aren't just paranoia and think that last post should be a very serious red flag to everyone.
To your other points, if we lynch AE and he's Town then I don't think we need to use Nny's result, I think he and TMCT are scum.
Lastly, I do think that AE is the best chance of being scum now considering the wagon that TMCT called out and his contributions to the Day.
I am really getting lost here and I'm starting worry.
You're right DCIII that votecount 4.9 suggest highly that at least one of AE/TMCT is scum. I'm not proposing a probable scum team without one of these two names. In fact Void/TMCT/AE is probably the second most likely scum team behind Void/Nny/TMCT.
Considering the possibility that only one of {Nny, AE, TMCT} is scum I don't believe that Rhand/AE/Void is the most likely team. In fact I would say out of {DCIII, shockwave, Rhand} you're possibly the most likely scum at this point.
If TMCT flips town toDay we can discuss what's next toMorrow. His play toDay has thrown more red flags than AE's and your recent posts are making me paranoid.
Antny, why would I, as scum, be going to all of this work to over complicate a plan where previously I could have just skated by?
If AE and TMCT are scum together this plan still catches them.
Also, if it gets to that point where AE is scum and Nny is Town and has said that TMCT is Town then one of Rhand and I will almost surely be dead via NK so you won't have to decide between us.
I do read everything. I was checking the forum on mu phone while driving and saw AE almost lynched, which is a mistake in my eyes, especially with tmct and nny happily joining that wagon.
I have paranoia about you as well, especially with you destroying my town cred like that.
Don't you think a tmct scum flip would clear me just like a AE town flip would?
I have paranoia about you as well, especially with you destroying my town cred like that.
Don't you think a tmct scum flip would clear me just like a AE town flip would?
So if you're paranoid about me, what are my motivations for this plan as it still catches everyone previously mentioned in the PoE process and unnecessarily adds additional scrutiny on me? Also, the plan I'm proposing could be used to catch me if I'm still alive at the end of the game where the other plan couldn't.
No. You've been on TMCT all game so I really don't think it likely that you'd aggressively double bus both of your teammates. Also, you haven't given much direct pressure to AE this game. The only player I think you're likely at all to be scum teammates with is AE.
The fact that you're resistant to this when previously you've said you were cool with PoEing through AE, Nny, and TMCT makes me think I'm onto something, as this plan only suspects you if none of those other players are scum.
Antny and Shock - I know this is a change but I want you both to really think about this.
If I were scum, think about the gamestate when I proposed this. It would have been a lock I would have won. Everyone wanted to PoE through TMCT, NNy, and AE and some people were even talking about Shock and there were five players willing to vote TMCT. Not a single player was expressing any suspicion of me including Shock who had earlier in the game.
I could have NKed confirmed town Antny and either PR Shock or high town cred Rhand without it appearing suspicious that I was still alive.
There is literally zero motivation for this idea which both puts additional scrutiny on myself and, if it went to its logical extreme (AE is scum, Nny is town, clears TMCT) it could end up catching me if Rhand were a NK.
I'm starting to think that my paranoid suspicion is the correct one based on Rhand's responses, but we have a process to get there that eliminates other suspicions.
I've got to be out of pocket until this evening but I will check back in then if there's more that needs to be discussed.
I have paranoia about you as well, especially with you destroying my town cred like that.
Don't you think a tmct scum flip would clear me just like a AE town flip would?
So if you're paranoid about me, what are my motivations for this plan as it still catches everyone previously mentioned in the PoE process and unnecessarily adds additional scrutiny on me? Also, the plan I'm proposing could be used to catch me if I'm still alive at the end of the game where the other plan couldn't.
Your plan doesn't work. You can't POE that many people, especially if you start with someone who is probably town and have to correctly lynch the day after.
In your plan you don't leave room for yourself or Shockwave to be scum: you would lynch me, which is just silly. You do realise that scum has a safe NK in Antny? We would all be alive toMorrow.
I am pretty convinced that TMCT is the scum out of TMCT and AE and I am also convinced that exactly one of them is scum. We should lynch that scum.
I am paranoia about you, but I'm not going to act on it. Occam says you're town. If you're scum, I tip my hat.
I would never ever bus someone like what happened to Void on Day 1. I like perfect wins and will always try to get those if I can.
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No. You've been on TMCT all game so I really don't think it likely that you'd aggressively double bus both of your teammates. Also, you haven't given much direct pressure to AE this game. The only player I think you're likely at all to be scum teammates with is AE.
Eh I asked if you think a TMCT scum flip clears me and you say no to then explain how it does clear me?
I haven't pressured AE much because I had an early meta town read on him and that never changed. I doubted that read twice: once because I thought I saw a connection with Antny (which turned out to be non-existant) and again because POE points to him possibly being scum and meta is all I have pro him, which is never conclusive. I do have a scumread on TMCT and a meta town read on AE, so out of those two the choice is easy.
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The fact that you're resistant to this when previously you've said you were cool with PoEing through AE, Nny, and TMCT makes me think I'm onto something, as this plan only suspects you if none of those other players are scum.
I am resistant because I think TMCT is scum with Nny and lynching AE now would therefor put us in lylo for no good reason.
Long story short: we should lynch TMCT and let Nny cop AE instead of the other way around.
I will hammer AE if no one listens to me because not lynching is not an option.
Your plan doesn't work. You can't POE that many people, especially if you start with someone who is probably town and have to correctly lynch the day after.
In your plan you don't leave room for yourself or Shockwave to be scum:
You're right - my plan requires that people believe I'm Town. I am Town and I also think I showed above how this plan makes absolutely no sense for me to propose if I'm not. If you were the NK the Night after Antny, my plan could still be used to catch Shock, just sub Shock for you... but I believe Shock's claim.
I haven't pressured AE much because I had an early meta town read on him and that never changed. I doubted that read twice: once because I thought I saw a connection with Antny (which turned out to be non-existant) and again because POE points to him possibly being scum and meta is all I have pro him, which is never conclusive. I do have a scumread on TMCT and a meta town read on AE, so out of those two the choice is easy.
This is the response you'd give if you were Town or if you were Scum with AE.
I am resistant because I think TMCT is scum with Nny and lynching AE now would therefor put us in lylo for no good reason.
If you think that TMCT and Nny are scum, this plan would lynch both right after if AE is Town. Also, VC 4.9 makes me think that AE is more likely than TMCT or both together. I really don't think it likely that TMCT started that ME wagon and no other scum joined considering how many players supported it.
Rhand really you should have no reason to worry about this plan as Town. You say that you think exactly one of AE and TMCT is scum - meaning that you think that Nny is the other scum since you said that you don't believe his claim for a minute.
All three of those players will be caught under this plan.
If you're worried about Shock, then why was your vote on him just to test for opportunistic scum? If you're worried about me, why would I propose this plan when I'd have won more easily by not doing so? It really just leaves the door open to catch you if you're scum.
I'm not worried about Shock. I believe his breadcrumbs, and believe his claim and believe his play and, before his claim, you didn't have him as a scum read either.
DCIII, the think that worried me was the timing. I think the likeliest scumteams are two of {AE, Nny, TMCT}. The fourth I hate to say is you and TMCT. I didn't even really consider it properly until you started shifting plans around. I can't see any reason to suddenly worry about Rhand and AE.
The one thing that would stop a TMCT-DCIII scumteam winning right now is Nny. If TMCT is lynched and Nny is NK there is one more lynch after AE's mislynch and that's risky for you. If Nny isn't NK there's one investigation, which if it targets AE screws up the triple lynch situation as well. If it targets you then you are beaten.
Perhaps I'm overthinking it but for me the plan seemed to fall too heavily on the unquestioned assumption your town while simultaneously safeguarding for the possibility that Rhand is not.
I don't think I'll have time to fully reread. I'm still backing a TMCT/Nny scumteam. I hate that we have had long periods with nothing happening in this Day and now we probably have town on town at the end because we're rushed. I'll get back to this when I'm home.
I'm bad at calculating timezones. How many hours until deadline do we have?
DCIII: my worry is that if we hit town now, Nny's investigation becomes useless. If we hit scum and Nny claims to have hit scum toMorrow, we win no matter what.
There is always the minor chance that Nny is what he says he is.
I am not risking that chance for your last minute brainfart that makes me scum somehow.
Either option doesn't leave too much wiggle room in the pool of suspects, but thinking it through I believe this is the better of the two options. Either option can clear Rhand, AE with a town flip based on DCIII's plan, or, a scum TMCT flip.
I'll explain why. Thinking back to the early game townslip scene I remember TMCT calling good catch on Rhand noticing BE's "a walker" post. TMCT act like this isn't anything of note.
I think this interaction plus the Void case can clear Rhand of any doubt.
We also have the Nny "Cop?" factor. If he is a true cop we can either confirm or deny whether or not AE is town, if not he is trapped into becoming a lynch down the next couple of Days.
...As long as we have a scum flip, and currently I think it is better to flip TMCT despite how good DCIII's plan looks.
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Also we are just under 11 hours before deadline right now.
Eh, I'm confident now we have enough to work off of, unless one of Rhand/DCIII is scum.
Since the chance of both AE and Nny being scum is no longer negligible, please go back and scrutinize DCIII's reasoning for why they can't be scum together. Look at the timing of the budding case on AE and exactly how Kraj was involved. (Rhand, remember in Innistrad, how infectiousbaloth skated by after his Maokun bus, when town-EtR's interactions with Maokun were just as strong?)
I'll be back at ~7:30 EST, but if the hammer's dropped before then, and godspeed.
Antny, the timing came after the mass claim. Once you were cleared with Nny not CCing the vig claim and once Nny claimed a cop shot the plan came to me.
And TMCT's point about the 4.9 wagon is a good one.
The thing I hate about going after TMCT first is that I don't think there's any way that he and Rhand are a team together.
Again, please think about why I, as scum, would propose this plan. There's no reason. Nny has made no hints of suspecting me, he actually hinted at suspecting Rhand. It would have been the easiest thing to let the plan ride.
I don't see any advantages to the current plan unless you believe that Shock or I are more likely to be scum than Rhand. I'm coming up with a plan that makes it more difficult for me to win as scum and Shock is a PR with good breadcrumbs.
Ugh. I have a really bad feeling about this that this is going to be Futurama 2.0 and I'm going to be right but no one is going to listen to me.
Antny, if you think that Nny and TMCT are the most likely scumteam, lynching AE right now will inevitably end in that reconciliation if AE does end up Town.
The liklihood of scum starting the wagon on ME and so many people saying that they think he's scum and no other scum being on that wagon at the 4.9 vote count is just incredibly unlikely.
Thats all I have to say. Hammer as you see fit and I hope it will work out but I really think it should be AE.
I did more thinking.
I am willing to accept DCIII as town while he's not willing to accept me as town.
If I am wrong about TMCT and he flips town, we will end up lynching AE toMorrow, and then what if he flips scum? Lynch me and lose the game?
If scum leaves me + DCIII alive for the last day, I can totally see that happening.
So I guess I have no choice than to go with DCIII's plan.
Please don't let me regret this.
Archmage Eternal (4): Nny, The Most Curious Thing, DCIII, Rhand
The Most Curious Thing (2): Archmage Eternal, Shockwave07
Not Voting (1): Antny223
Rick ran back up the stairs to wait for Glenn. He still reeled from the ear-splitting noise made by shooting his gun in the narrow stairwell. He came up to the second floor and leaned with his back against the door, hunched in agony. As Rick began to fade in and out of consciousness, he became aware of a guttural grunting noise from somewhere on the floor. He jerked back to awareness as a rotten hand clawed at him from behind a purse display. Just as his hand got a grip on his pistol, a second walker attempted to push its way through the stairwell door, causing Rick to drop the gun. Without thinking, he dove for the weapon. This allowed the walker behind the door to barge in. Rick shot blindly in his panic, and hit eyes, shoulders, and hands. The same hands that clutched him as yellowed teeth tore into his flesh.
As Rick lay bleeding on the floor, he recalled his last brush with death. This time, there would be no bedside visits. No flowers. No salvation.
Archmage Eternal has been lynched.
He was Rick (Mafia Two-Shot Rolecop).
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Glenn scrambled up the fire escape, walkers in hot pursuit. He clutched his crowbar with a death grip as he climbed out of reach. He held desperate hope that, despite the walkers breaking into the store, the other survivors were still alive on the rooftop. A few rungs from his goal, Glenn risked a quick glance downward. A drop of blood dripped from the end of the crowbar and landed in a walker's mouth. The inhuman thing snarled and grasped uselessly at the sky. It seemed as if the entire city of Atlanta was trying to kill him. For all he knew, it was.
DCIII has been killed.
DCIII was Walker (Town Vanilla).
It is now Day Four.
With 5 alive, it's 3 votes to lynch.
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:laugh2:, he killed someone other than Antny. Brilliant mistake, Mafiaoso #3. Or scum-Rhand/Nny being afraid town-Shockwave was gambitting, but probably still a mistake in that case.
Okay. Tmct is cleared town now.
Antny is cleared as well unless scum had 2 kills night 1, which I very much doubt.
That leaves Nny, Shockwave and me as POE targets.
Nny couldn't falseclaim Tmct to be scum as that would lead to his own lynch toMorrow. So he gave the only possible result scum!Nny could give.
That coupled with us having a tracker as investigative role makes me want to lynch him.
The other option is Shockwave. If I recall correctly tho, i think he could have safely ended the day with a Tmct mislynch yesterDay without drawing any suspicion whatsoever, so I am pretty sure Nny is the one.
I am ok with being lynched first if it comes to that. We do have one mislynch left.
I considered the possibility that Antny was a scum Toughguy, but killing mirror makes no sense from a scum perspective (unless he was hoping to skate to endgame on that claim, which I doubt), so I think he's safe to clear.
I guess that leaves Rhand and Shockwave. Let's do this.
From what I've read a tough guy role is one that when performing the regular NK makes that NK unblockable either by doc or other role.
Plus I do think the logical route is to prove Nny's role, and by extension prove TMCT's alignment as long as there is no Godfather role shennanigans. (Or in other words no role that when copped gives a false reading.)
Not voting yet as I think it wouldn't hurt to keep discussion open a while longer.
Nny couldn't falseclaim Tmct to be scum as that would lead to his own lynch toMorrow. So he gave the only possible result scum!Nny could give.
Except for "I was roleblocked," which is why I didn't answer your question. The result Nny gave is obviously much better for us.
That raises the question, though...would scum-Nny have favored claiming roleblocked? It would keep me as a mislynch option. As it is, Nny is railroaded into voting for you.
That's null though, since it wouldn't necessarily have crossed scum-Nny's mind, or he may have thought RBer + Role Cop would have been unbelievable.
Well considering a scum Proph just pulled a "I was roleblocked" card in Sesame Street, it would have drawn some bad attention from me at least, possibly from more players after I pointed to the game.
A faked cop "scum" read only delays his lynch a Day.
So, in my opinion, the best option for scum would be to fake a "town" read to hopefully get some leaneancy for it. Not much of an option, but it is still an option.
So I am still thinking lynching him to prove role is optimal.
I breadcrumbed my ability in #255. I set aside your post that looked like fishing separately in a link instead of a quote so that I could point to it later - I'm Walker, 2-Shot Cop.
Not much of a breadcrumb if you need to explain why it's a breadcrumb, eh?
I breadcrumbed that I investigated Kraj on Night 1 in post #538 when I was talking to AE. I thought Kraj was town on Day 1 and he's probably the most seasoned player in this game, so I wanted to find somebody I could trust for sure to buddy with on Day 2.
And this reads like a reverse-engineered breadcrumb. Did you not post the exact quote here because you're afraid it's flimsy?
I can't help the fact that Kraj is obviously town. If you can't see it, I'm not sure what to tell you other than "do your re-read like you said you would".
It's abundantly clear both in and out of context that your "obvious town" read on Kraj is because of what's visible in-thread, and you're implying that AE should be able to read Kraj like that if he reads what's visible in-thread, too. This is not a breadcrumb.
Rhand is also correct: Kraj was a terrible cop choice. It makes almost zero sense.
Well considering a scum Proph just pulled a "I was roleblocked" card in Sesame Street, it would have drawn some bad attention from me at least, possibly from more players after I pointed to the game.
Huh, didn't realize that. Well that's a good reason.
You're right DCIII that votecount 4.9 suggest highly that at least one of AE/TMCT is scum. I'm not proposing a probable scum team without one of these two names. In fact Void/TMCT/AE is probably the second most likely scum team behind Void/Nny/TMCT.
Considering the possibility that only one of {Nny, AE, TMCT} is scum I don't believe that Rhand/AE/Void is the most likely team. In fact I would say out of {DCIII, shockwave, Rhand} you're possibly the most likely scum at this point.
If TMCT flips town toDay we can discuss what's next toMorrow. His play toDay has thrown more red flags than AE's and your recent posts are making me paranoid.
You keep making me worried. Why wouldn't you read everything at this point in the game? This reads to me like you're trying to very subtly shift the vote back to TMCT without saying so. Also, you were pretty adamant that Nny's role couldn't exist with Kraj's so why are you now championing using his result to try to influence the vote now?
I'm starting to very seriously think that my Rhand concerns aren't just paranoia and think that last post should be a very serious red flag to everyone.
To your other points, if we lynch AE and he's Town then I don't think we need to use Nny's result, I think he and TMCT are scum.
Lastly, I do think that AE is the best chance of being scum now considering the wagon that TMCT called out and his contributions to the Day.
All reasons to lynch AE Today.
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Antny, why would I, as scum, be going to all of this work to over complicate a plan where previously I could have just skated by?
If AE and TMCT are scum together this plan still catches them.
Also, if it gets to that point where AE is scum and Nny is Town and has said that TMCT is Town then one of Rhand and I will almost surely be dead via NK so you won't have to decide between us.
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I have paranoia about you as well, especially with you destroying my town cred like that.
Don't you think a tmct scum flip would clear me just like a AE town flip would?
So if you're paranoid about me, what are my motivations for this plan as it still catches everyone previously mentioned in the PoE process and unnecessarily adds additional scrutiny on me? Also, the plan I'm proposing could be used to catch me if I'm still alive at the end of the game where the other plan couldn't.
No. You've been on TMCT all game so I really don't think it likely that you'd aggressively double bus both of your teammates. Also, you haven't given much direct pressure to AE this game. The only player I think you're likely at all to be scum teammates with is AE.
The fact that you're resistant to this when previously you've said you were cool with PoEing through AE, Nny, and TMCT makes me think I'm onto something, as this plan only suspects you if none of those other players are scum.
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If I were scum, think about the gamestate when I proposed this. It would have been a lock I would have won. Everyone wanted to PoE through TMCT, NNy, and AE and some people were even talking about Shock and there were five players willing to vote TMCT. Not a single player was expressing any suspicion of me including Shock who had earlier in the game.
I could have NKed confirmed town Antny and either PR Shock or high town cred Rhand without it appearing suspicious that I was still alive.
There is literally zero motivation for this idea which both puts additional scrutiny on myself and, if it went to its logical extreme (AE is scum, Nny is town, clears TMCT) it could end up catching me if Rhand were a NK.
I'm starting to think that my paranoid suspicion is the correct one based on Rhand's responses, but we have a process to get there that eliminates other suspicions.
I've got to be out of pocket until this evening but I will check back in then if there's more that needs to be discussed.
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Your plan doesn't work. You can't POE that many people, especially if you start with someone who is probably town and have to correctly lynch the day after.
In your plan you don't leave room for yourself or Shockwave to be scum: you would lynch me, which is just silly. You do realise that scum has a safe NK in Antny? We would all be alive toMorrow.
I am pretty convinced that TMCT is the scum out of TMCT and AE and I am also convinced that exactly one of them is scum. We should lynch that scum.
I am paranoia about you, but I'm not going to act on it. Occam says you're town. If you're scum, I tip my hat.
I would never ever bus someone like what happened to Void on Day 1. I like perfect wins and will always try to get those if I can.
Eh I asked if you think a TMCT scum flip clears me and you say no to then explain how it does clear me?
I haven't pressured AE much because I had an early meta town read on him and that never changed. I doubted that read twice: once because I thought I saw a connection with Antny (which turned out to be non-existant) and again because POE points to him possibly being scum and meta is all I have pro him, which is never conclusive. I do have a scumread on TMCT and a meta town read on AE, so out of those two the choice is easy.
I am resistant because I think TMCT is scum with Nny and lynching AE now would therefor put us in lylo for no good reason.
Long story short: we should lynch TMCT and let Nny cop AE instead of the other way around.
I will hammer AE if no one listens to me because not lynching is not an option.
You're right - my plan requires that people believe I'm Town. I am Town and I also think I showed above how this plan makes absolutely no sense for me to propose if I'm not. If you were the NK the Night after Antny, my plan could still be used to catch Shock, just sub Shock for you... but I believe Shock's claim.
This is the response you'd give if you were Town or if you were Scum with AE.
If you think that TMCT and Nny are scum, this plan would lynch both right after if AE is Town. Also, VC 4.9 makes me think that AE is more likely than TMCT or both together. I really don't think it likely that TMCT started that ME wagon and no other scum joined considering how many players supported it.
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All three of those players will be caught under this plan.
If you're worried about Shock, then why was your vote on him just to test for opportunistic scum? If you're worried about me, why would I propose this plan when I'd have won more easily by not doing so? It really just leaves the door open to catch you if you're scum.
I'm not worried about Shock. I believe his breadcrumbs, and believe his claim and believe his play and, before his claim, you didn't have him as a scum read either.
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The one thing that would stop a TMCT-DCIII scumteam winning right now is Nny. If TMCT is lynched and Nny is NK there is one more lynch after AE's mislynch and that's risky for you. If Nny isn't NK there's one investigation, which if it targets AE screws up the triple lynch situation as well. If it targets you then you are beaten.
Perhaps I'm overthinking it but for me the plan seemed to fall too heavily on the unquestioned assumption your town while simultaneously safeguarding for the possibility that Rhand is not.
I don't think I'll have time to fully reread. I'm still backing a TMCT/Nny scumteam. I hate that we have had long periods with nothing happening in this Day and now we probably have town on town at the end because we're rushed. I'll get back to this when I'm home.
DCIII: my worry is that if we hit town now, Nny's investigation becomes useless. If we hit scum and Nny claims to have hit scum toMorrow, we win no matter what.
There is always the minor chance that Nny is what he says he is.
I am not risking that chance for your last minute brainfart that makes me scum somehow.
Archmage Eternal (3): Nny, The Most Curious Thing, DCIII
The Most Curious Thing (2): Rhand, Archmage Eternal
Not Voting (2): Antny223, Shockwave07
With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
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Vote:TMCT
Either option doesn't leave too much wiggle room in the pool of suspects, but thinking it through I believe this is the better of the two options. Either option can clear Rhand, AE with a town flip based on DCIII's plan, or, a scum TMCT flip.
I'll explain why. Thinking back to the early game townslip scene I remember TMCT calling good catch on Rhand noticing BE's "a walker" post. TMCT act like this isn't anything of note.
I think this interaction plus the Void case can clear Rhand of any doubt.
We also have the Nny "Cop?" factor. If he is a true cop we can either confirm or deny whether or not AE is town, if not he is trapped into becoming a lynch down the next couple of Days.
...As long as we have a scum flip, and currently I think it is better to flip TMCT despite how good DCIII's plan looks.
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Since the chance of both AE and Nny being scum is no longer negligible, please go back and scrutinize DCIII's reasoning for why they can't be scum together. Look at the timing of the budding case on AE and exactly how Kraj was involved. (Rhand, remember in Innistrad, how infectiousbaloth skated by after his Maokun bus, when town-EtR's interactions with Maokun were just as strong?)
I'll be back at ~7:30 EST, but if the hammer's dropped before then, and godspeed.
And TMCT's point about the 4.9 wagon is a good one.
The thing I hate about going after TMCT first is that I don't think there's any way that he and Rhand are a team together.
Again, please think about why I, as scum, would propose this plan. There's no reason. Nny has made no hints of suspecting me, he actually hinted at suspecting Rhand. It would have been the easiest thing to let the plan ride.
I don't see any advantages to the current plan unless you believe that Shock or I are more likely to be scum than Rhand. I'm coming up with a plan that makes it more difficult for me to win as scum and Shock is a PR with good breadcrumbs.
Ugh. I have a really bad feeling about this that this is going to be Futurama 2.0 and I'm going to be right but no one is going to listen to me.
Antny, if you think that Nny and TMCT are the most likely scumteam, lynching AE right now will inevitably end in that reconciliation if AE does end up Town.
The liklihood of scum starting the wagon on ME and so many people saying that they think he's scum and no other scum being on that wagon at the 4.9 vote count is just incredibly unlikely.
Thats all I have to say. Hammer as you see fit and I hope it will work out but I really think it should be AE.
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I am willing to accept DCIII as town while he's not willing to accept me as town.
If I am wrong about TMCT and he flips town, we will end up lynching AE toMorrow, and then what if he flips scum? Lynch me and lose the game?
If scum leaves me + DCIII alive for the last day, I can totally see that happening.
So I guess I have no choice than to go with DCIII's plan.
Please don't let me regret this.
Unvote, vote AE
Nny, you need to cop TMCT.
If AE flips Town, it's Nny and TMCT. If AE flips Scum, then we've got the plan.
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Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
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2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Man I hate WIFOM. All is good though.
Day Three Final Vote Count
Archmage Eternal (4): Nny, The Most Curious Thing, DCIII, Rhand
The Most Curious Thing (2): Archmage Eternal, Shockwave07
Not Voting (1): Antny223
Rick ran back up the stairs to wait for Glenn. He still reeled from the ear-splitting noise made by shooting his gun in the narrow stairwell. He came up to the second floor and leaned with his back against the door, hunched in agony. As Rick began to fade in and out of consciousness, he became aware of a guttural grunting noise from somewhere on the floor. He jerked back to awareness as a rotten hand clawed at him from behind a purse display. Just as his hand got a grip on his pistol, a second walker attempted to push its way through the stairwell door, causing Rick to drop the gun. Without thinking, he dove for the weapon. This allowed the walker behind the door to barge in. Rick shot blindly in his panic, and hit eyes, shoulders, and hands. The same hands that clutched him as yellowed teeth tore into his flesh.
As Rick lay bleeding on the floor, he recalled his last brush with death. This time, there would be no bedside visits. No flowers. No salvation.
Archmage Eternal has been lynched.
He was Rick (Mafia Two-Shot Rolecop).
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DCIII has been killed.
DCIII was Walker (Town Vanilla).
It is now Day Four.
With 5 alive, it's 3 votes to lynch.
Day Four will end no later than 11:59PM EST Saturday, February 8th.
Okay Nny, what do you have for us?
@TMCT: Nny should've copped you, so you tell us: what will be his result?
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I'm not going to answer this.
lol
Anyway, TMCT is town, so someone's running a gambit.
Let's not be hasty about this. We have 2 lynches to figure this out.
Antny is cleared as well unless scum had 2 kills night 1, which I very much doubt.
That leaves Nny, Shockwave and me as POE targets.
Nny couldn't falseclaim Tmct to be scum as that would lead to his own lynch toMorrow. So he gave the only possible result scum!Nny could give.
That coupled with us having a tracker as investigative role makes me want to lynch him.
The other option is Shockwave. If I recall correctly tho, i think he could have safely ended the day with a Tmct mislynch yesterDay without drawing any suspicion whatsoever, so I am pretty sure Nny is the one.
I am ok with being lynched first if it comes to that. We do have one mislynch left.
I guess that leaves Rhand and Shockwave. Let's do this.
Vote Rhand
So Nny's cop claim could be bs.
TMCT could be godfather.
Rhand/SW could be scum.
Still I think I want to lynch Nny here.
vote Nny
We have a mislynch so it's no biggy if he does flip town.
Plus I do think the logical route is to prove Nny's role, and by extension prove TMCT's alignment as long as there is no Godfather role shennanigans. (Or in other words no role that when copped gives a false reading.)
Not voting yet as I think it wouldn't hurt to keep discussion open a while longer.
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Except for "I was roleblocked," which is why I didn't answer your question. The result Nny gave is obviously much better for us.
That raises the question, though...would scum-Nny have favored claiming roleblocked? It would keep me as a mislynch option. As it is, Nny is railroaded into voting for you.
That's null though, since it wouldn't necessarily have crossed scum-Nny's mind, or he may have thought RBer + Role Cop would have been unbelievable.
A faked cop "scum" read only delays his lynch a Day.
So, in my opinion, the best option for scum would be to fake a "town" read to hopefully get some leaneancy for it. Not much of an option, but it is still an option.
So I am still thinking lynching him to prove role is optimal.
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Huh, didn't realize that. Well that's a good reason.
Either way, yes, Nny is the optimal lynch Today.
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Only one way to confirm your role.
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Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player