Double expansion symbol theory

[Crusade]

hey rumormongers...

Given that we are looking at something most likely different in terms of timeshifted cards out of PC, what do people think about the timeshifted or planeshifted cards having two expansion symbols on them?

For instance: a Boros Paladin would have both a ravnica expansion symbol on the card, and a Planar Chaos one.

An Azorious Judge would have a dissension symbol, and a Planar chaos one.

An arcbound hulk could have a darksteel and PC symbol, ect.

The point of this is not just for flavor though. It would allow the cards to become backwards compatible with the sets they were originally "plucked" from. If wizards wanted to promote a series of tournaments or a league that played a series of old block games, (by old, mirrodin forward) then this could be a good way to do it.

Also, this would let wizards add in the 3 missing gruul, orzhov, and izzet cards from guildpact.

[Lombra]

I don't think so. It would spoil the harmony of the magic card. Although the idea is quite interesting.
IMO if it is to be made, the old expansion symbol ought to be placed in the center of the text box just as the guilds symbols appeared in Ravnica/Guildpact/Dissension.

[Flamebuster]

They've done that before, having two symbols. One of which that comes to mind is Lightning Hounds; it had the feather symbol and the Mercadian Masques symbol on it as well...I think there was another one too if I'm not mistaken.

It's not a foreign concept

'buster

[Ryvita]

The renewed block tourney would be an interesting idea, and such cards woould certainly stir a few people to go back and rebuild old block decks to see what difference they make. However, remember that there would be no easily conceivable way of drafting in that new block format, and I think that would be enough to kill the idea.

I think we'll just see normal cards which will thematically continue from themes in Mirrodin/Kamigawa/Ravnica sets. The flavour being a partial planar overlay bringing things from the other planes to Dominaria. There may be developments of the old mechanics to reflect these immigrants changing as a result of coming to Dominaria.

I also think we will only see certain little bits of each set coming through, and that they will be fitted together to cover all the colours. This would thematically fit the idea of partial planar overlays and also allow more depth in each featured theme. There's no way you could properly homage three whole sets in one small expansion.

For example (WARNING: This contains slight spoilers I guess.)

The green could come from Mirrodin, with emphasis on Sunburst and entwine (two mechanics with more to give and relevant in the current colour rich environment) Lots of artifact hate!

From Ravnica we could see an offshoot of the Izzet led by the goblin techie from the book, and made more mono-red now that Niv mizzet has gone.

From both Ravnica and Kamigawa I think some sort of merger of their respective spirit worlds could appear for white. Possibly including the angel sunholme ship thing.

The black Myojin has already demonstrated the ability to move things around planes by shifting Toshiro. I think She could be the focus of the black stuff, maybe with an improved spiritcraft or splice mechanic.

And for the blue, ummm, Ninja Vedalken? No idea.

Ryv

[Guesswork]

As I posted in that other thread, this is the best theory I've heard about how they will do "Timeshifted" cards in PC.

Mechanically speaking, it's not going to have a huge effect (short of printing something like Apocalypse Chime, City in a Bottle or Golgothian Sylex) but it's a really clear way to distinguish PC Timeshifted cards from the rest of the set.

Mechanically speaking, I'm sure the distinction will be along the lines of "Bloodthirsty Myr Ninja" or some crap like that.

[slx]

Originally Posted by Lombra

I don't think so. It would spoil the harmony of the magic card. Although the idea is quite interesting.
IMO if it is to be made, the old expansion symbol ought to be placed in the center of the text box just as the guilds symbols appeared in Ravnica/Guildpact/Dissension.

Cards from different planes would be cool, but time spiral block is about Dominaria. So only timeshift cards you find are the ones from that plane. Although planarshift would be really cool, and does seem to look like a good possibility now that we've seen timeshift.

[Guesswork]

Originally Posted by slx

Cards from different planes would be cool, but time spiral block is about Dominaria.

You don't know that. Time Spiral, the SET is about Dominaria.

We have precious little information about PC and FS, but what we do have actually suggests that your assumption is wrong. If you look at the novel cover for PC, you will see a picture of Karn (Mirrodin-related) against a backdrop where one half looks very Ravnica-like (hard to say what the other side is, although 2+2=4 says that it's Kamigawa). FS is a big fat unknown at this point.

[space_zombie]

I don't think they will do it. I mean, whats the point? Does anyone still do ravblock turnament? Another problem is that it would be hard to fitt onto a card. I can agree that it is ways to solve this problem, like purple rav symbol. Yet it would be odd and create confusion.

Well, whatever, it might happen with MaRo in power :P

Edit: Forgot to mention somthing: The stuff about wizard trying to promote old block is an absurd idea. Where I live they allready have truble trying to keep standard (T2) turnaments.

[zindabad]

The PC novel cover shows Karn's face split, yes, but neither Ravnica nor Kamigawa features on it. The left half is the Tolarian Academy and the right, the Academy Ruins.

The Academy was Karn's birthplace, as Urza invented him while researching there.

[Guesswork]

Originally Posted by zindabad

The PC novel cover shows Karn's face split, yes, but neither Ravnica nor Kamigawa features on it. The left half is the Tolarian Academy and the right, the Academy Ruins.

I'm not seeing it. I mean, your theory would make sense, and there are definitely some similarities between those two cards and the art for the novel cover, but they are different enough that I'm skeptical.

I'm seeing columns, multiple buildings and a skyline in the left side. Except for probably being underwater, the right side doesn't look like the junk in the art for Academy Ruins.

But then, it could just be the individual interpretation of the artist, and you could be correct. Hard to say, really.

Here's a link to the PC info, for easy reference.

[Ghost]

And for the blue, ummm, Ninja Vedalken? No idea.

Brilliance!!!!

anyway, would it be the four armed or two armed variant?

after looking at that card at the top however, i think its a brilliant idea...(here it is:Lightning Hounds...deserves a second look, IMO)

what if they went with this idea, but just used all the last three as a resource pool? mixed up the abilities, and watermarked the kards(sorry, too much mortal kombat) where the ability came from? unlikely, yes, but it could look interesting...

[chippermdw]

Originally Posted by Guesswork

but it's a really clear way to distinguish PC Timeshifted cards from the rest of the set.

Do we have any reason to believe there's a "rest of the set" they need to be distinguished from? Nothing I've read thus far would prevent Planar Chaos from being composed entirely of timeshifted cards... whatever "timeshifted" might mean in PC.

[ateneo10]

Originally Posted by chippermdw

Do we have any reason to believe there's a "rest of the set" they need to be distinguished from? Nothing I've read thus far would prevent Planar Chaos from being composed entirely of timeshifted cards... whatever "timeshifted" might mean in PC.

the trouble with the term timeshifted is that we don't know what it means.

we took it as meaning reprints, because so far, that's what they are.

BUT there will be no purple reprints in PC and all timeshifted cards there will be BRAND SPANKING NEW.

if timeshifted is a fun concept, i wouldn't mind the entire set being timeshifted. but wuld much rather have them planarly collapsed, whatever that means.

[BladderMan]

That could also explain why they didn't hold so many rav block constructed tournaments this past year, they didn't want everyone to get tired of the format, and then try to bring it right back when it was "completed" in time spiral.

[Thrawnkkar]

I dont see it here so I'll post it, the idea I have and others have had too is that MaRo is parsing words, but not too much. The new timeshifted will be "Planeshifted" and they will just be cards continuing the themes and mechanics from the last 3 blocks.

You can qoute me on that.