Actually, if you read PE results (and my post), I was pointing out that it's being taken out of some builds, not being cut completely. A build just t8'd tonight with Channel main and most builds still SB the card.
My question was why some people were removing it from the main (which could specifically be answered by BTape, as he's cut it main but left it side for the additional Tendrils, Chain, and land). I wasn't making an arguement for the card when it wasn't in PEs, I was just wondering why people who have cut it did so. Nice attempt at ball busting, better luck next time.
I would never do that! You must have me mistaken for someone else.
*I got you once already on the chants at worlds thing so I don't feel the need.... *
Aside from City of Brass, all of the Blue sorces in the deck eat up resource that are more necessary to go off. This includes Channel, Eggs, Shapes, Blooms, and Mine counters. My understanding of Offkorn's point is that you have to sacrifice these just to play the Serum Visions, which eats up resources when you're scrambling to put together UU for Desire.
Actually a number of builds run Ancient spring (no cost for the blue) while at the same time the Mine is essentually free since you plan on going off before the counters become an issue (I like to make sure my mines have only one counter on them in the end so that I can get them in the yard to fuel Cabal when I go off).
See d.phoenixxx's quote which resulted in the comment you're responding to, where he's asking me to not discuss cards that have already been discussed despite the fact that I've raised new arguements/points of contention for said cards.
As you so eliquently put not long ago, he isn't a moderator and I don't think anyone would fault you for asking stuff like that (He may not respond but others will). As a side note he did not ask you to stop discussion, he asked you to read back for past discussion. If you had said "I did but I still have this question" I have no doubts anyone would fail to answer. (I'm getting the feeling Phoenix is getting misunderstood alot... Maybe I have a special gift in that respect or something... )
I understand. My major question here isn't so much the "why would you ever play chant it's horrible omg," it's more "by playing chant you have to commit the same resources you need to produce UU for Desire while you go off." While rituals in the deck produce abundant black and support duress, the same is only true the Channel for White. I'd like to see what the card does as well as, better than, or in addition to to not only take up slots in the deck/sb, but to add the extra color to the deck.
But you shouldn't count your rituals for mana to cast Duress. What happens if you cast a number of Rituals then your duress only to have the opposing chant be cast in response? You would be in huge trouble. Both Chant and Duress should be castable without sacing land or rituals (if you must an egg/star/sphere is fine but not required). I have no problems doing this.
I've said it's equal to a PE, but showings using those cards are rogue as we have one example of the sample that uses the cards of his build out of all the population data of PE, Worlds, GPT, etc's available to us. I made that comment because his build has no consistant showings, which is what PEs and PTQs will tell us about decks and certain cards in certain builds of them.
But in alot of ways all of the cards in TEPS are still "Rogue". It isn't like this is some established artchtype yet, so any showings at all can be used (or none for that matter if the data is sound).
Wow, Karsten featured the deck in his column today, it looks like TEPS has taken MODO by storm. (No pun intended)
some cool =D
and its number 2 in popularity and they call it by the correct name plus the explanation of the acronym, some cool
Edit:
weary of the never ending pointless doo dahs I looked to the top banner... and lo! Sally has a nice new christmassy banner. Now ain't that sweet.
Ah but mine is the original (or maybe I should say he was givenmine). You happened appone the list in the same way he did. From me essentually.
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Hm... Am I sensing a vanity alert here?:p
Oh and thank you so much for pointing out Ancient Springs... I've been wondering what card I left out that should be in the new build I'm testing out as I felt there ws something missing. (For some reason I forgot about the card all together... maybe I'm getting older faster and becoming more senile each and every day.:sweat:)
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A bit, I suppose... Maybe... But I was just being clear as to what I ment before.
*It kinda sounded like he thought I ment, "Oh my deck is similar!" not "It is my deck."*
Note that I was working on the deck since the past thread, and refrained from posting here for reasons involving something approaching distaste. Note that TEPS isn't some major tech that was dreamed up on these boards: pros like Levy don't even go here, because they have a better team of people to playtest with. Those better teams already had Ritdesire as part of their gauntlet, this was just a tuned version that he happened to like.
Also note that lists I was advocating in the past thread had 8-12 eggs maindeck for color fixing and draw. I also ran Mind's Desire, Burning Wish, and Tendrils long before you did, so I guess that in many respects, you got the deck from me...
Also, on a different tangent, why are 'personal preferences' even being brought up here? This is a competitive thread that is meant to try to find the best version of the deck suited to the metagame. That means using cards that are obviously superior to other cards, despite what you may like. People are running lists that do not include Serum Visions, and top 8'ing with them. A lot of people, in fact. I would go so far to say that nobody other than d.pheonixx's friend top 8'd with it at some GPT event that nobody knows the metagame for and where the level of play could be a lot lower than expected.
Edit: To clarify, you have one isolated event. We have many events, including worlds, that are part of a continually changing metagame, and none of the decks in that metagame run Serum Visions, because it is a bad card. Doesn't matter if you like it, which I can't understand how, but it's still suboptimal.
If you can read, Quodo said in the past pages that he gave Levy the list, he liked it and played the deck at worlds for this reason....
Your point? There seems to be lack of one here.
And maybe because all you ever did in the past thread was to incite flme wars for no reason at all? (like you're trying to do now...)
All I remember was pointing out the areas of the deck that needed a major overhaul, and others flaming me. I seem to remember that I held up quite well until the last couple pages of the thread, where I just ceased to care. Remember that without Lotus Bloom, *your* version of the deck would have remained a pile, just like I was saying.
On the top vs topless (pun intended :p) decklists they both have their Pros and Cons, there isn't, IMO, a superior version.
The Top version trades speed for resilience while the Topless version can have more explosive hands because it doesn't need to dig for the combo pieces since they draw them instead of Top, lands and Careful Study.
That's such an easy cop-out. Note that I said the exact same thing a couple pages back. There is obviously a better list. Raphael ran a list that you guys cooked up, but Weilgersma and whoever was in his posse chose to ran a no-lotus topped build and got the same result, 5-1. That certainly should raise a few questions, but so far it hasn't.
It just looks like a metagame call if you want to run the top version or the non-top one because in a meta with 80% aggro rock or trinket angel you may want SDT and Duress MD to deal with them, otherwise if there's just a buttload of BDW, TEPS, Heartbeat et similia you should go with the non-top version to outrace them.
Maybe if the metagame is 80% bad matchups, it might not be a very smart idea to run TEPS... do you want to qualify for a Pro Tour or run a combo deck that is going to scrub out hard because of bad matchups?
Go read it and comment on his sideboarding options in the discussion part.
I feel there are a lot of wrongs.
I do not feel that it is wrong, it seems like I would do the same things for sb match ups. He did say top is worse though \-_-/, but if you noticed how many matches brought in duress? If you see its all but one. I think that it should be md. Also Kjinn, check out the mana problems with orims chant and he only runs the mines. Hmm... interesting. good article btw.
As for wheel, I have not tested it, but it seems bad against blue decks. If they counter it, it just kills you. You probabally lose. However, off a desire, I think it would be good. I will test it this weekend if I get a chance after I test the top/no top versions.
The one problem I can see with wheel is this. Going against a boros esq deck and them drawing the burn they need to kill you in response to you going off and against blue x control decks them countering it and screwing you or them drawing a bunch of cards and screwing you.
W/e I will test it this weekend if I get around to it.
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Ok I would tend to mostly agree with Mr. Nightmare here. There just seems to be more and more arguments, and the thread seems to be devolving into the one of old, which incidentally, I remember Captain Scrub posting in, calling this deck crap that would never be competitive. Let's just lay the debate to rest for now. And if anyone really wants to see what the metagame was right at the GPT:
Boros Deck Wins - 6
Boros Deck Wins /G - 4
Boros Deck Wins /B - 2
Rock and Flow - 6
Gifts Rock - 3
Aggro Rock - 1
GW/B Aggro - 1
BG/W Aggro - 1
Trinket Angels - 3
Aggro Loam - 2
UBG Control - 1
Snakes - 1
TEPS - 2
Goblin Storm - 3
UW Tron - 4
UR Tron - 1
Sceptor Chant - 2
BW Aggro - 2
RG Aggro - 1
Friggorid - 1
Domain Control - 2
The Top 8 were:
1. Rock and Flow
2. Rock and Flow
3. Goblin Storm
4. Friggorid
5. Trinket Angels
6. Boros Deck Wins /G
7. TEPS
8. UW Tron
I believe I mentioned I was the TEPS player. Mulled to five vs Aggro Flow, got killed on Turn 4 of all things, then in Game 2 Duressed and then lost to a topdecked flow.
I am kinda new here, so something went wrong in the past and it resurfaced, that much is apparent to me.
I guess being in competitive section, more emphasis is placed on tourney results.
But to be fair, before this thread went to competitive, the ideas that culmulated in the current version of the deck (and its variants) were not really from tourneys either. (Also there is probably no such thing as an optimal deck, it will shift with the meta, so it might be more worthwhile to discuss the merits of the various cards in the relevant context)
Ideas were tested and evaluated. Thus are new decks created. It seemed odd, that suddenly all playtest data are scrubbified or something.
The people in the thread tested, the people in the tourneys probably netdecked. Should we trust that they playtested? I know I don't.
I believe in hard data, but given that the season has only just started,
I think it is dangerous to embrace the current data. Not that we ignore it, but we should'nt take it as the gospel truth.
I know noise level went up when TEPS got attention. Just look at the timestamp and the growth of the thread.
I feel we should move on. Make the deck better, put up ideas for debate. Most of all we should be civil to each other, not trying to get the last word in. Also we all have different characters, so the way we express ourselves to others may be totally from what we actually meant.
The term scrub/noob refers as much to the character as well as the skills of the person, so bandy that word with care.:p
Hey we managed to get wotc to credit the deck to us (or at least its name :D) Karsten's deckopedia is pointing to this thread.
And... we turn it into "much ado about nothing"
we should move on even this post is irrelevant
Those are my thoughts.
and I think I spent too much time writing this as it is
Edit:
Just in case... not directed at anyone
if you are not happy with what I said, fine. Please ignore me, because I will most certainly ignore you. Why? Because it is really nothing worth bickering over. EOT
Edit 2:
on exhaustion:- looks like a nice trap, the only concern is the 3 cc, but it looks worth testing. It would play the role of gigadrowse, not quite the same of course, but might be a viable way to keep the opponent tapped.
I'm getting a terrible headache, i'm going to sleep now lol
Edit 3:
related to edit 2. somewhat .. I think
How early does disruption come online? Cos if I went first and I go off on turn four, my opponent has only the resources of 3 turns. Once the storm starts, and if the opponent only deals with the kill, sometimes he needs to deal with the kill five times. (as in I am able to kill him 5 times over) Thats quite impressive. My first thoughts were that, hence my opponent will most certainly then be trying to disrupt me rather than handle the kill spell (if he allows me to ritual, then I'm a happy man). So what would my opponent target.. or rather what should he target? (assuming he has duress or something). The early rituals? Sorry if this seems obvious - I guess what I am trying to ask is, what is our weak spot?
edit 4:
I really should sleep i am brain farting. kill the first desire/wish and we are just about dead... so we should ensure it is safe to go off before going off... Exhaustion might be a good way to do that... hmm I am really going to sleep now.
Ok I would tend to mostly agree with Mr. Nightmare here. There just seems to be more and more arguments, and the thread seems to be devolving into the one of old, which incidentally, I remember Captain Scrub posting in, calling this deck crap that would never be competitive. Let's just lay the debate to rest for now.
Ahh.. Now I remember, I guess not everyone is a good fortune teller.:rolleyes:
And if anyone really wants to see what the metagame was right at the GPT:
Boros Deck Wins - 6
Boros Deck Wins /G - 4
Boros Deck Wins /B - 2
Rock and Flow - 6
Gifts Rock - 3
Aggro Rock - 1
GW/B Aggro - 1
BG/W Aggro - 1
Trinket Angels - 3
Aggro Loam - 2
UBG Control - 1
Snakes - 1
TEPS - 2
Goblin Storm - 3
UW Tron - 4
UR Tron - 1
Sceptor Chant - 2
BW Aggro - 2
RG Aggro - 1
Friggorid - 1
Domain Control - 2
The Top 8 were:
1. Rock and Flow
2. Rock and Flow
3. Goblin Storm
4. Friggorid
5. Trinket Angels
6. Boros Deck Wins /G
7. TEPS
8. UW Tron
Umm.. where was this held, and is there a coverage? I'd like to see it so as I wouldn't get flamed for when I post something about the meta and be told being biased.
Anyway, I agree with JohnJones about the Wheels being brought in to be played through suspend would hurt against certain decks such as boros, but I think that's still to be tested though.
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Wheel is only good if you flip it with desire, and even then, you have a desire online so who cares? If you suspend it you're set back at least a turn, and it's yet another dead card.
So when you flip it with Desire it's win-more, and when you have it in your hand it's a dead card. Why even test it?
How often has it been useful?
I never found myself in need of it (with Levy's build anyway) because I either drew the card I needed via Eggs/Stars or because I already had it in hand.
I tested with a mate against various stuff (UW Tron, Trinket Angel, Scepter Chant) for about 4 matches each (best of 3 with SB) and I always found myself boarding the tutors and a Plunge into Darkness out to put at least 3 Duress in the MD.
So I just switched 3 of em in the main and put a Sins, another Empty the Warrens and another Pyroclasm in the SB (against Goblinstorm it's golden if they don't have a Warchief) but may aswell become something else...
I have actually cut down the Infernal tutors to 2 and at this number I really like them. I mainly use them to get more rituals (rite of flame usually) or if I am hellebent a desire/tendrils. I feel 2 is the right number.
I still dont get the eggs plz explain ..
why are they needed? and why isnt carefullstudy still ran?
The Eggs Turn Red icky mana into Blue and Black wonderful mana.
Sidenote: I continually see people siding out infernal tutors/other stuff for duress. There is not one match it is bad to see a duress against. If so please name one. I feel that this is a must md card, just like I feel that Burning wish (the most important card in the deck) is needed as a 4 of. I think that there should be at least 3 md Duress and 1 in sb just so you can side in to 4 duress main. I also agree that wheel is a win more card. Actually is is not just a win more card it is a win more/ watch them get what they need card. Lol.
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Well, against BDW Duress aren't that hot, it may counter a burn if they have them in hand but that's about it
It still actually has some use against BDW, like SB cards like Pillage and Pyrostatic Pillars (which really hurts) and such, but more often than not, we don't bring in Duress against BDW.:p
G'rats, guys. When I come back from an exam to find my inbox filled with report posts from a thread, I know what to do.
I have not issued a single warning, opting instead to just delete the inflamatory responses that were posted here. If you suddly find your postcount is considerably shorter, take that as your "warning" for the posts.
Everyone should go soak his or her head.
I'll reopen this thread when I deem it necessary. Until then, you guys need to get a grip and learn how to operate in a respectible, mature manner.
Finally, d.phoenixxx- sorry for approaching your backseat moding tongue in cheek instead of with an Infraction. You now have an infraction instead of a playful response to your rule breaking.
I would never do that! You must have me mistaken for someone else.
*I got you once already on the chants at worlds thing so I don't feel the need.... *
Actually a number of builds run Ancient spring (no cost for the blue) while at the same time the Mine is essentually free since you plan on going off before the counters become an issue (I like to make sure my mines have only one counter on them in the end so that I can get them in the yard to fuel Cabal when I go off).
As you so eliquently put not long ago, he isn't a moderator and I don't think anyone would fault you for asking stuff like that (He may not respond but others will). As a side note he did not ask you to stop discussion, he asked you to read back for past discussion. If you had said "I did but I still have this question" I have no doubts anyone would fail to answer. (I'm getting the feeling Phoenix is getting misunderstood alot... Maybe I have a special gift in that respect or something... )
But you shouldn't count your rituals for mana to cast Duress. What happens if you cast a number of Rituals then your duress only to have the opposing chant be cast in response? You would be in huge trouble. Both Chant and Duress should be castable without sacing land or rituals (if you must an egg/star/sphere is fine but not required). I have no problems doing this.
But in alot of ways all of the cards in TEPS are still "Rogue". It isn't like this is some established artchtype yet, so any showings at all can be used (or none for that matter if the data is sound).
Ah but mine is the original (or maybe I should say he was given mine). You happened appone the list in the same way he did. From me essentually.
~Nim
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and its number 2 in popularity and they call it by the correct name plus the explanation of the acronym, some cool
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Oooh Dicey:
[dice=1]100[/dice]
Hm... Am I sensing a vanity alert here?:p
Oh and thank you so much for pointing out Ancient Springs... I've been wondering what card I left out that should be in the new build I'm testing out as I felt there ws something missing. (For some reason I forgot about the card all together... maybe I'm getting older faster and becoming more senile each and every day.:sweat:)
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*It kinda sounded like he thought I ment, "Oh my deck is similar!" not "It is my deck."*
~Nim
Note that I was working on the deck since the past thread, and refrained from posting here for reasons involving something approaching distaste. Note that TEPS isn't some major tech that was dreamed up on these boards: pros like Levy don't even go here, because they have a better team of people to playtest with. Those better teams already had Ritdesire as part of their gauntlet, this was just a tuned version that he happened to like.
Also note that lists I was advocating in the past thread had 8-12 eggs maindeck for color fixing and draw. I also ran Mind's Desire, Burning Wish, and Tendrils long before you did, so I guess that in many respects, you got the deck from me...
Also, on a different tangent, why are 'personal preferences' even being brought up here? This is a competitive thread that is meant to try to find the best version of the deck suited to the metagame. That means using cards that are obviously superior to other cards, despite what you may like. People are running lists that do not include Serum Visions, and top 8'ing with them. A lot of people, in fact. I would go so far to say that nobody other than d.pheonixx's friend top 8'd with it at some GPT event that nobody knows the metagame for and where the level of play could be a lot lower than expected.
Edit: To clarify, you have one isolated event. We have many events, including worlds, that are part of a continually changing metagame, and none of the decks in that metagame run Serum Visions, because it is a bad card. Doesn't matter if you like it, which I can't understand how, but it's still suboptimal.
Your point? There seems to be lack of one here.
All I remember was pointing out the areas of the deck that needed a major overhaul, and others flaming me. I seem to remember that I held up quite well until the last couple pages of the thread, where I just ceased to care. Remember that without Lotus Bloom, *your* version of the deck would have remained a pile, just like I was saying.
That's such an easy cop-out. Note that I said the exact same thing a couple pages back. There is obviously a better list. Raphael ran a list that you guys cooked up, but Weilgersma and whoever was in his posse chose to ran a no-lotus topped build and got the same result, 5-1. That certainly should raise a few questions, but so far it hasn't.
Maybe if the metagame is 80% bad matchups, it might not be a very smart idea to run TEPS... do you want to qualify for a Pro Tour or run a combo deck that is going to scrub out hard because of bad matchups?
I do not feel that it is wrong, it seems like I would do the same things for sb match ups. He did say top is worse though \-_-/, but if you noticed how many matches brought in duress? If you see its all but one. I think that it should be md. Also Kjinn, check out the mana problems with orims chant and he only runs the mines. Hmm... interesting. good article btw.
As for wheel, I have not tested it, but it seems bad against blue decks. If they counter it, it just kills you. You probabally lose. However, off a desire, I think it would be good. I will test it this weekend if I get a chance after I test the top/no top versions.
The one problem I can see with wheel is this. Going against a boros esq deck and them drawing the burn they need to kill you in response to you going off and against blue x control decks them countering it and screwing you or them drawing a bunch of cards and screwing you.
W/e I will test it this weekend if I get around to it.
Boros Deck Wins - 6
Boros Deck Wins /G - 4
Boros Deck Wins /B - 2
Rock and Flow - 6
Gifts Rock - 3
Aggro Rock - 1
GW/B Aggro - 1
BG/W Aggro - 1
Trinket Angels - 3
Aggro Loam - 2
UBG Control - 1
Snakes - 1
TEPS - 2
Goblin Storm - 3
UW Tron - 4
UR Tron - 1
Sceptor Chant - 2
BW Aggro - 2
RG Aggro - 1
Friggorid - 1
Domain Control - 2
The Top 8 were:
1. Rock and Flow
2. Rock and Flow
3. Goblin Storm
4. Friggorid
5. Trinket Angels
6. Boros Deck Wins /G
7. TEPS
8. UW Tron
Zoo lost to Ichorid.
Tron lost to Gob Storm.
Trinket Angels lost to Aggro flow.
Semis:
Flow beat Ichorid
Flow beat Gob Storm
Then Flow beat Flow.
I am kinda new here, so something went wrong in the past and it resurfaced, that much is apparent to me.
I guess being in competitive section, more emphasis is placed on tourney results.
But to be fair, before this thread went to competitive, the ideas that culmulated in the current version of the deck (and its variants) were not really from tourneys either. (Also there is probably no such thing as an optimal deck, it will shift with the meta, so it might be more worthwhile to discuss the merits of the various cards in the relevant context)
Ideas were tested and evaluated. Thus are new decks created. It seemed odd, that suddenly all playtest data are scrubbified or something.
The people in the thread tested, the people in the tourneys probably netdecked. Should we trust that they playtested? I know I don't.
I believe in hard data, but given that the season has only just started,
I think it is dangerous to embrace the current data. Not that we ignore it, but we should'nt take it as the gospel truth.
I know noise level went up when TEPS got attention. Just look at the timestamp and the growth of the thread.
I feel we should move on. Make the deck better, put up ideas for debate. Most of all we should be civil to each other, not trying to get the last word in. Also we all have different characters, so the way we express ourselves to others may be totally from what we actually meant.
The term scrub/noob refers as much to the character as well as the skills of the person, so bandy that word with care.:p
Hey we managed to get wotc to credit the deck to us (or at least its name :D) Karsten's deckopedia is pointing to this thread.
And... we turn it into "much ado about nothing"
we should move on even this post is irrelevant
Those are my thoughts.
and I think I spent too much time writing this as it is
Edit:
Just in case... not directed at anyone
if you are not happy with what I said, fine. Please ignore me, because I will most certainly ignore you. Why? Because it is really nothing worth bickering over. EOT
Edit 2:
on exhaustion:- looks like a nice trap, the only concern is the 3 cc, but it looks worth testing. It would play the role of gigadrowse, not quite the same of course, but might be a viable way to keep the opponent tapped.
I'm getting a terrible headache, i'm going to sleep now lol
Edit 3:
related to edit 2. somewhat .. I think
How early does disruption come online? Cos if I went first and I go off on turn four, my opponent has only the resources of 3 turns. Once the storm starts, and if the opponent only deals with the kill, sometimes he needs to deal with the kill five times. (as in I am able to kill him 5 times over) Thats quite impressive. My first thoughts were that, hence my opponent will most certainly then be trying to disrupt me rather than handle the kill spell (if he allows me to ritual, then I'm a happy man). So what would my opponent target.. or rather what should he target? (assuming he has duress or something). The early rituals? Sorry if this seems obvious - I guess what I am trying to ask is, what is our weak spot?
edit 4:
I really should sleep i am brain farting. kill the first desire/wish and we are just about dead... so we should ensure it is safe to go off before going off... Exhaustion might be a good way to do that... hmm I am really going to sleep now.
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Oooh Dicey:
[dice=1]100[/dice]
Ahh.. Now I remember, I guess not everyone is a good fortune teller.:rolleyes:
Umm.. where was this held, and is there a coverage? I'd like to see it so as I wouldn't get flamed for when I post something about the meta and be told being biased.
Anyway, I agree with JohnJones about the Wheels being brought in to be played through suspend would hurt against certain decks such as boros, but I think that's still to be tested though.
On the works:
Leyline Deck Wins:symbu:Null 'n Void:symbu:
Decks built:
:symg::symb::symr::symw::symu:ChangelingsUWRBG
:symru:16 land Ignite Memories Combo:symru:
:symbu:Hunted Singularity:symbu:
So when you flip it with Desire it's win-more, and when you have it in your hand it's a dead card. Why even test it?
why are they needed? and why isnt carefullstudy still ran?
I have actually cut down the Infernal tutors to 2 and at this number I really like them. I mainly use them to get more rituals (rite of flame usually) or if I am hellebent a desire/tendrils. I feel 2 is the right number.
The Eggs Turn Red icky mana into Blue and Black wonderful mana.
Sidenote: I continually see people siding out infernal tutors/other stuff for duress. There is not one match it is bad to see a duress against. If so please name one. I feel that this is a must md card, just like I feel that Burning wish (the most important card in the deck) is needed as a 4 of. I think that there should be at least 3 md Duress and 1 in sb just so you can side in to 4 duress main. I also agree that wheel is a win more card. Actually is is not just a win more card it is a win more/ watch them get what they need card. Lol.
On the works:
Leyline Deck Wins:symbu:Null 'n Void:symbu:
Decks built:
:symg::symb::symr::symw::symu:ChangelingsUWRBG
:symru:16 land Ignite Memories Combo:symru:
:symbu:Hunted Singularity:symbu:
I have not issued a single warning, opting instead to just delete the inflamatory responses that were posted here. If you suddly find your postcount is considerably shorter, take that as your "warning" for the posts.
Everyone should go soak his or her head.
I'll reopen this thread when I deem it necessary. Until then, you guys need to get a grip and learn how to operate in a respectible, mature manner.
Finally, d.phoenixxx- sorry for approaching your backseat moding tongue in cheek instead of with an Infraction. You now have an infraction instead of a playful response to your rule breaking.
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