Yawgmoth

[Silver]

I just quickly want to note that in the original Pre-Rev Comics, it was a Yuggermouth Demon that Mishra and Ashnod encountered. I always thought that Gix originally looked like a Yuggermouth Demon, but the time in the Seventh would have probably changed Gix... including appearnce.

Also Pre-Rev it was stated that the ineffable was a Planeswalker. (I can't remember the source, but it's there.) Also, many characters in Post-Rev believe he is a planeswalker. (However, he is not.)

Squirle explained the rest. =P

[MORT]

Originally Posted by Silver

Also Pre-Rev it was stated that the ineffable was a Planeswalker. (I can't remember the source, but it's there.) Also, many characters in Post-Rev believe he is a planeswalker. (However, he is not.)

And I hear this for a thousandth time and I still didn't found the pre-rev source saying so.
I'm sure it's not in any of comics and I'm sure it's not in most of pre-rev books (I didn't read only Tapestries and Distant Planes).
I know though, that it was in book Planeswalker, where Serra guess that he is planeswalker because she think that he created Phyrexia (and she is sure that only Planeswalkers are able to create artificial plane).
So, I think that this is that source which everybody think of, because until The Thran showed up it was the only source saying about nature of Yawgmoth. It probably later turned into "it had to be some pre-rev source because revisionist clearly says otherwise..."

But maybe I'm wrong and someone found pre-rev source stating that Yawgmoth is planeswalker?

[Zazdor]

Notes on Lord of the Wastes:

As it has been stated, the Lord of the Wastes was a mythical figure, mostly whispered of on Jamuraa. He was the one after the Legacy, but was also a bogeyman of sorts. He was described as having a halo/crown of flames.

This description, of course--as some of you may recall--led to the speculations that the Lord of the Wastes was actually Leshrac, and his involvement was heavily suspected since the beginning of the Rath Cycle. Of course, the legends of the Lord of the Wastes apparently were just a myth referring to Yawgmoth.

Of course, we know that Leshrac Nightwalker, the planeswalker, was trapped in Phyrexia. It has recently been suggested (was it by MORT?) that Leshrac may have aided Yawgmoth in creating Rath, since Rath was an artificial plane and we have only known 'walkers to create artificial worlds. This is pure speculation, but interesting to note nonetheless.

I always assumed Leshrac had something to do with the Mirage Wars, perhaps aiding Kaervek. The Battlemage videogame stated that he had been released from Phyrexia and planned to spread its designs, seeking the spells of Mirage. Leshrac was a player in Corondor's Planeswalkers' War, which occured shortly after the Mirage Wars on Jamuraa. So, an active role with Phyrexia may be possible. Ravidel's activation of the Mox Beacon set Leshrac free from Phyrexia. So anyway, there may be more links between Leshrac and Phyrexia.

So--was the Lord of the Wastes Yawgmoth? Or Leshrac? Or the Phyrexian Inner Circle Member Croag, who aided in the first stages of creating the position of Evincar on Rath? I think the most basic answer to our question is that the Lord of the Wastes was a mythical figure that reflected the fear of the little-known world of Phyrexia. Maybe Leshrac lurked the Mwonvuli or shadows of Zhalfiran streets. Maybe it was a Phyrexian priest or other minion scouting the land. The title is placed on anything that could send fear into the hearts of the Jamuraans.

For Sisay, captain of the Weatherlight, it was synonymous with Rathi and Phyrexian forces, as it was Volrath and Yawgmoth who captured Sisay and coveted the Legacy.

Sorry for the information-saturatd response! I thought I'd help those seeking answers, as well as provide some extra information for those more familiar with continuity!

[Ramenth]

Yawgmoth (Or Yuggermouth, as you seem to think it's spelled) is not, has not, and most likely will never be a planeswalker. Not Pre-Rev, not current, and hopefully not post-current.

[MORT]

Originally Posted by Seipharr

I,ve seen a Phyrexian map on the Wiki. It is funny, how it resembles Dante's Inferno.

Sleeping, you have your own Nine-sphered Hell and you didn't say?

Originally Posted by Seipharr

I didn't get the idea, that you were screaming.

He didn't. Although as far as I know most native English users read CAPITALIZED TEXT as a screaming...

Originally Posted by Zazdor

Of course, we know that Leshrac Nightwalker, the planeswalker, was trapped in Phyrexia. It has recently been suggested (was it by MORT?) that Leshrac may have aided Yawgmoth in creating Rath, since Rath was an artificial plane and we have only known 'walkers to create artificial worlds. This is pure speculation, but interesting to note nonetheless.

Yes, I said that. But I think that it was Yawgmoth anyways. First, because Yawgmoth could manage to create it by technical means [or combined with his magic abilities]. Second, because many mages can create some kind of worlds [though they're not exactly the same as planes] - like dementia space or Toshi's meditation plane, so I wouldn't be surprise if Yawgmoth was able to create it on his own.

As for: who is the Lord of the Wastes - I think that Urza himself could play a great role in spreading this legend. Urza actually did it before on another plane during his travels with Xantcha. He created some tower where he played a role of some Seer and warned all people travelling to him for advises, warned about Phyrexia. I think the same would be on Dominaria. Urza wanted to keep in people's minds that there is a great threat around.

Originally Posted by Ramenth

Yawgmoth (Or Yuggermouth, as you seem to think it's spelled) is not, has not, and most likely will never be a planeswalker. Not Pre-Rev, not current, and hopefully not post-current.

You know, some things has changed since pre-rev, so it wouldn't be strange if he would be mentioned as a planeswalker there. But the thing is that it seems he wasn't, though many says so.

[Ramenth]

It would be strange though. Even back then one of his major things is "WRAR I'M NOT A PLANESWALKER! D:"

The reason was different, however. IIRC (And I may be/probably am wrong,) he was trying to get free of phyrexia, and couldn't do it since he wasnt a walker, and thus needed someone to open the Portal.

[Zazdor]

Prerevisionist Yawgmoth, from my recollection, never had sights on Dominaria. Phyrexia was the Hell for Artifacts. Without referencing my Antiquities/Urza-Mishra War comics, I'm not sure why Gix interferred, but I think it was due to the Stones. Phyrexia was feared as the "nine hells" and Yawgmoth was not a well-known name before the Rath Cycle. He was linked to Phyrexia as its ruler/god/whatever, but I don't think he was ever considered a threat.

Someone correct me if I am wrong. Urza-gc13 may be able to help if he's reading, or even Squirle.

[MORT]

Originally Posted by Ramenth

It would be strange though. Even back then one of his major things is "WRAR I'M NOT A PLANESWALKER! D:"

The reason was different, however. IIRC (And I may be/probably am wrong,) he was trying to get free of phyrexia, and couldn't do it since he wasnt a walker, and thus needed someone to open the Portal.

And the source saying so is ... ???

[Silver]

Sorry for the little bump, however I have some added references:

I have assumed before that Leshrac has been the Lord of the Wastes. The reason being is that you need to read the descrpition of the Lord of the Wastes, and the Description of Leshrac. (Both, for example, have a Halo of Flame.) (Rath and Storm for Lord of Wastes, Eternal Ice for Leshrac.)

Also I said Yuggermouth because I DO NOT SAY the ineffable's name. Sorry, old silly habit from my days at Phyrexia.com.

[Pseudofate]

MAJOR THRAN NOVEL SPOILERS

Spoiler:

Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker. He was introduced to planeswalking by Dyfed, a walker that appeared in a room with Yawgmoth when he discovered the secrect of artifical planes and powerstones. Dyfed brought Yawgmoth to the plane that would become Phyrexia The plane was dying due to its former master's death (a dragon that has very little info surrounding it). Dyfed granted Yawgmoth dominion over this place and created a gate in the caves where those suffering from Pthisis were sequestered (Kolios?).

Yawgmoth eventually paralyzes Dyfed by stabbing her in the head. Takes her body to the 4th circle and proceeds to disect and experiment on her body to find the answer and means to planeswalk. He never does.

Yawgmoth is eventually sealed within Phyrexia when he is betrayed by Rebbec. Her husband Glacian, who had died and whose mind was transfered into a powerstone all Professor X like, in powerstone form, was placed at the Gate to Phyrexia and sealed it shut.

[MORT]

Actually, Eye of Yawgmoth concerns Belbe from Nemezis. Or rather Avila, Eladamri's daughter killed by phyrexianized elf who escaped with her body to Phyrexia [well, he was killed, but body was delivered]. Avila's body was later scanned and remade in Phyrexian technology with new improved flesh and skeleton. At the end Eye of Yawgmoth was implanted (though not in the way like on the card art), so Yawgmoth could see everything through it. Belbe, as she was named, was his Eye in Rath.

[Archangel Gabriel]

Originally Posted by Pseudofate

MAJOR THRAN NOVEL SPOILERS

Spoiler:

Yawgmoth was never a planeswalker. He was introduced to planeswalking by Dyfed, a walker that appeared in a room with Yawgmoth when he discovered the secrect of artifical planes and powerstones. Dyfed brought Yawgmoth to the plane that would become Phyrexia The plane was dying due to its former master's death (a dragon that has very little info surrounding it). Dyfed granted Yawgmoth dominion over this place and created a gate in the caves where those suffering from Pthisis were sequestered (Kolios?).

Yawgmoth eventually paralyzes Dyfed by stabbing her in the head. Takes her body to the 4th circle and proceeds to disect and experiment on her body to find the answer and means to planeswalk. He never does.

Yawgmoth is eventually sealed within Phyrexia when he is betrayed by Rebbec. Her husband Glacian, who had died and whose mind was transfered into a powerstone all Professor X like, in powerstone form, was placed at the Gate to Phyrexia and sealed it shut.

Side note: The powerstone (which is split in two) that Glacian's mind is transferred to is the Meek/Might Stone that was used to seal the portal to Phyrexia and later by Urza and Mishra to re-open it. The split stone became Urza's eyes after his spark was ignited when he activated the Cylex (I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Stones and not the Cylex that did it). The stones also triggered the Legacy Weapon and turned Karn into a 'walker.

[MORT]

Small correction: Brothers' stones are Might Stone and Weak Stone not Meekstone.

[Archangel Gabriel]

Thanks, I always F that one up.